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Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others? WTF

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So here's the difference between the Formidable Class stealth frigates the French conned us into buying and the way the Indonesians do business. In the case of our 6 stealth frigates, the we build the last 5 after the French build the first one. Because the Indonesian stealth trimarans are build by an Indonesian company with sizeable input from Saab Sweden, this company can manufacture and sell the boat to foreign countries, hence earning money for the Indonesian company. ST Engineering Marine can't do that because they don't have a licence for manufacture from the French.


An Indonesian Combat Trimaran Designed In Sweden

The X3K was built by Indonesian-based Swedish boat builder North Sea Boats, and designed in part by renowned exotic boat builder LOMOcean Design LTD. The goal was to build a very stealthy, high-speed, multi-role missile boat that could dominate the complex littorals around Indonesia while still being affordable to procure and operate.

At 63 meters in length, the X3K is no small patrol boat, but with her trimaran wave piercing hull and twin MJP 550 water jets, she can keep up with much smaller boats and even follow them into areas where there is just six feet of water. She is powered by four MAN12 diesel engines that put out 1,800hp each, that can propel her up near 40 knots during sprints. She cruises leisurely in even rough sea states at 16 knots, and has a range of over 2,000 miles.

The X3K is said to have an extremely stealthy design, with its two sets of four-tube anti-ship missiles launchers shrouded behind flat panels above and behind the bridge. Eight Chinese built C-702 anti-ship missiles can be carried for use against medium and small sized targets, or against larger targets, if fired as a salvo. Alternatively, four deadly Saab RBS-15 Mk3 advanced cruise missiles can be carried for attacking both large ships and land targets at long ranges.

The ship's rear boat launch ramp and enclosed housing can launch and recover up to an 11 meter high-speed rigid hull inflatable boat (RHIB) with ease. A 40mm advanced Bofos cannon is fitted atop her bridge for surface and air engagements, including being the ship's primary close in weapon system (CIWS). It is rumored that torpedoes and a anti-aircraft point defense missile system can also be accommodated, all shrouded behind the ship's stealthy skin.

Her weapons are directed by the highly capable Sea Giraffe 1X 3D radar which is able to conduct air and surface surveillance. SAAB's CEROS 200 fire-control director is also mounted above the bridge, and this system is capable of directing gunfire or providing targeting solutions against marauding aircraft. This unique, elevated sensor and gun configuration provides an enhanced line-of sight for the ships sensors and a better firing angle for the ship's cannon.

All these systems are tied into Saab's 9LV Mk4 series "open architecture" combat management system, which the X3K's command crew can interface with just behind the state-of-the-art bridge, in a mini combat information center. In total this highly automated ship is crewed by about 21 sailors and officers, and another 9 persona special operations contingent can be embarked even on long duration missions.

The X3K's whole package adds up to an incredibly powerful yet elegant and futuristic design that was tailor built to dominate her unique combat environment while providing 'balanced' signature control, combat punch, and survivability against cost.

Missions for this radical ship design include counter-piracy, drug interdiction, coastal security, special operations, surface attack, counter-terrorism, surveillance, area sea control and fishing regulations enforcement. Additionally, the ship can be outfitted to carry out other missions, such as mine clearing, which her composite hull is highly adapted to.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/de...littoral-combat-1644205558/1644949163/+travis
 
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frenchbriefs

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

israel's billion dollar stealth warship hit by hezbollah's chinese made c-802 cruise missile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Hanit

During the 2006 Lebanon War, the vessel was patrolling in Lebanese waters ten nautical miles off the coast of Beirut. It was damaged on July 14, 2006 on the waterline, under the aft superstructure [1][2] by a missile (likely a Chinese-designed C-802[3]) fired by Hezbollah that reportedly set the flight deck on fire and crippled the propulsion systems inside the hull.[4] However, INS Hanit stayed afloat, extricated itself and made the rest of the journey back to Ashdod port for repairs on its own power.[5] Four crew members were killed during the attack: Staff Sergeant Tal Amgar, Corporal Shai Atas, Sergeant Yaniv Hershkovitz, and First Sergeant Dov Steinshuss.[6]
 

virus

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

so are the indons ready to take on china at the south china sea?
 

virus

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

seems like they r unsure of the weapon load at all.
 

frenchbriefs

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/surface-combat-fleets-obsolete/

Surface Combat Fleets: Obsolete?
With America and others developing “carrier killer” missiles, what does the future hold for surface navies in wartime?

America is developing its own carrier killer. Defense Industry Daily reports that the U.S. Navy has budgeted some $198 million through 2017 to fund a sorely needed replacement for its swiftly aging RGM-84 Harpoon antiship cruise missile. The workhorse Harpoon is rapidly being overtaken by rivals such as the Indian Navy's supersonic BrahMos, which outranges the American bird by a wide margin. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency started developing a subsonic and a supersonic variant of a long-range antiship cruise missile, or LRASM, in 2009. It subsequently dropped the supersonic LRASM-B while pressing ahead with the subsonic LRASM-A. Testing will commence this year. Assuming all goes well, the navy may soon accept ownership of — and begin funding — the missile's development, manufacture, and deployment in fleet warships.

The Defense Industry Daily report speculates that budgetary woes may sink the LRASM program. That would represent a grave mistake, not to mention an awful signal to send to competitors in today's increasingly stressful maritime environment. Not only do U.S. surface combatants increasingly find themselves outranged, but the short tactical radius of contemporary naval aircraft has abbreviated the striking reach of carrier task forces. American forces must venture closer to enemy fleets or shores at the same time defenders are extending the lethal reach of their ASCMs and, in China's case, adding a panoply of other anti-access weaponry to the inventory. The LRASM's approximate 500-mile range is crucial to restore the balance of hitting power.

What does the more distant future of surface warfare hold? Suppose antiship missiles come to boast transoceanic ranges — hardly a whimsical prospect if the DF-21D pans out. Sooner or later most of the world's oceans may fall under the shadow of land-based precision weaponry, much as the Allies extended air cover across the Atlantic Ocean during World War II. Bombers flying from shore airfields became potent antiship implements, helping negate the U-boat menace. If missiles fired from land can strike at surface vessels from vast distances, why send out cruisers or destroyers — basically mobile launch platforms — to accomplish the same thing at mortal risk to themselves?

Such developments could see the offense-defense balance shift radically toward the defense, obviating the advantages cruise missiles and high-tech combat systems like Aegis bestowed on seaborne forces starting in the 1980s. If so, extended-range fire support coupled with submarine warfare could convert the seas into no-man's lands in wartime. I doubt new technology will empower defenders to command the sea from the shore, but it might well empower them to deny command across broad expanses — making for a Mad Max future on the high seas, a war of all against all. Is the end of surface combat fleets coming into sight? It's not an immediate prospect. Strategic one-upsmanship typifies international competition and conflict. Innovation begets counter-innovation.

Nevertheless, the maritime strategic landscape is starting to look grim for "skimmers" such as myself who ply the water's surface. Surface navies doubtless have a future in peacetime. Whether they can contribute in wartime, even if armed with carrier killers, is worth pondering.
 

frenchbriefs

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[video=youtube;lR4KIJk5q0U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4KIJk5q0U[/video]
 

singveld

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So here's the difference between the Formidable Class stealth frigates the French conned us into buying and the way the Indonesians do business. In the case of our 6 stealth frigates, the we build the last 5 after the French build the first one. Because the Indonesian stealth trimarans are build by an Indonesian company with sizeable input from Saab Sweden, this company can manufacture and sell the boat to foreign countries, hence earning money for the Indonesian company. ST Engineering Marine can't do that because they don't have a licence for manufacture from the French.


An Indonesian Combat Trimaran Designed In Sweden

The X3K was built by Indonesian-based Swedish boat builder North Sea Boats, and designed in part by renowned exotic boat builder LOMOcean Design LTD. The goal was to build a very stealthy, high-speed, multi-role missile boat that could dominate the complex littorals around Indonesia while still being affordable to procure and operate.

At 63 meters in length, the X3K is no small patrol boat, but with her trimaran wave piercing hull and twin MJP 550 water jets, she can keep up with much smaller boats and even follow them into areas where there is just six feet of water. She is powered by four MAN12 diesel engines that put out 1,800hp each, that can propel her up near 40 knots during sprints. She cruises leisurely in even rough sea states at 16 knots, and has a range of over 2,000 miles.

The X3K is said to have an extremely stealthy design, with its two sets of four-tube anti-ship missiles launchers shrouded behind flat panels above and behind the bridge. Eight Chinese built C-702 anti-ship missiles can be carried for use against medium and small sized targets, or against larger targets, if fired as a salvo. Alternatively, four deadly Saab RBS-15 Mk3 advanced cruise missiles can be carried for attacking both large ships and land targets at long ranges.

The ship's rear boat launch ramp and enclosed housing can launch and recover up to an 11 meter high-speed rigid hull inflatable boat (RHIB) with ease. A 40mm advanced Bofos cannon is fitted atop her bridge for surface and air engagements, including being the ship's primary close in weapon system (CIWS). It is rumored that torpedoes and a anti-aircraft point defense missile system can also be accommodated, all shrouded behind the ship's stealthy skin.

Her weapons are directed by the highly capable Sea Giraffe 1X 3D radar which is able to conduct air and surface surveillance. SAAB's CEROS 200 fire-control director is also mounted above the bridge, and this system is capable of directing gunfire or providing targeting solutions against marauding aircraft. This unique, elevated sensor and gun configuration provides an enhanced line-of sight for the ships sensors and a better firing angle for the ship's cannon.

All these systems are tied into Saab's 9LV Mk4 series "open architecture" combat management system, which the X3K's command crew can interface with just behind the state-of-the-art bridge, in a mini combat information center. In total this highly automated ship is crewed by about 21 sailors and officers, and another 9 persona special operations contingent can be embarked even on long duration missions.

The X3K's whole package adds up to an incredibly powerful yet elegant and futuristic design that was tailor built to dominate her unique combat environment while providing 'balanced' signature control, combat punch, and survivability against cost.

Missions for this radical ship design include counter-piracy, drug interdiction, coastal security, special operations, surface attack, counter-terrorism, surveillance, area sea control and fishing regulations enforcement. Additionally, the ship can be outfitted to carry out other missions, such as mine clearing, which her composite hull is highly adapted to.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/de...littoral-combat-1644205558/1644949163/+travis
So here's the difference between the Formidable Class stealth frigates the French conned us into buying and the way the Indonesians do business. In the case of our 6 stealth frigates, the we build the last 5 after the French build the first one. Because the Indonesian stealth trimarans are build by an Indonesian company with sizeable input from Saab Sweden, this company can manufacture and sell the boat to foreign countries, hence earning money for the Indonesian company. ST Engineering Marine can't do that because they don't have a licence for manufacture from the French.


really? that is your opinion?
Frigate is much larger than missile gunboat. It is much easy to get license for smaller weapons than big one. The angmoh afraid to give away too much technology. Try getting license to build an aircraft carrier, it is impossible.
Please compare apple to apple.
 

frenchbriefs

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

oracle trimaran,fastest boat in the world,but cant beat a anti ship missile.

[video=youtube;hNuAWk89Aew]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuAWk89Aew[/video]
 

frenchbriefs

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this is a true state of the art billion dollar israeli warship,not a trimaran sail boat.....before it got hit by chinese anti ship missile.

[video=youtube;2STW_QUT_aw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STW_QUT_aw[/video]
 

The_Hypocrite

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

The yanks can be quite techonologically backward at times,,it took them till now to realise they need a supersonic ship killer missile?

http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/surface-combat-fleets-obsolete/

Surface Combat Fleets: Obsolete?
With America and others developing “carrier killer” missiles, what does the future hold for surface navies in wartime?

America is developing its own carrier killer. Defense Industry Daily reports that the U.S. Navy has budgeted some $198 million through 2017 to fund a sorely needed replacement for its swiftly aging RGM-84 Harpoon antiship cruise missile. The workhorse Harpoon is rapidly being overtaken by rivals such as the Indian Navy's supersonic BrahMos, which outranges the American bird by a wide margin. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency started developing a subsonic and a supersonic variant of a long-range antiship cruise missile, or LRASM, in 2009. It subsequently dropped the supersonic LRASM-B while pressing ahead with the subsonic LRASM-A. Testing will commence this year. Assuming all goes well, the navy may soon accept ownership of — and begin funding — the missile's development, manufacture, and deployment in fleet warships.

The Defense Industry Daily report speculates that budgetary woes may sink the LRASM program. That would represent a grave mistake, not to mention an awful signal to send to competitors in today's increasingly stressful maritime environment. Not only do U.S. surface combatants increasingly find themselves outranged, but the short tactical radius of contemporary naval aircraft has abbreviated the striking reach of carrier task forces. American forces must venture closer to enemy fleets or shores at the same time defenders are extending the lethal reach of their ASCMs and, in China's case, adding a panoply of other anti-access weaponry to the inventory. The LRASM's approximate 500-mile range is crucial to restore the balance of hitting power.

What does the more distant future of surface warfare hold? Suppose antiship missiles come to boast transoceanic ranges — hardly a whimsical prospect if the DF-21D pans out. Sooner or later most of the world's oceans may fall under the shadow of land-based precision weaponry, much as the Allies extended air cover across the Atlantic Ocean during World War II. Bombers flying from shore airfields became potent antiship implements, helping negate the U-boat menace. If missiles fired from land can strike at surface vessels from vast distances, why send out cruisers or destroyers — basically mobile launch platforms — to accomplish the same thing at mortal risk to themselves?

Such developments could see the offense-defense balance shift radically toward the defense, obviating the advantages cruise missiles and high-tech combat systems like Aegis bestowed on seaborne forces starting in the 1980s. If so, extended-range fire support coupled with submarine warfare could convert the seas into no-man's lands in wartime. I doubt new technology will empower defenders to command the sea from the shore, but it might well empower them to deny command across broad expanses — making for a Mad Max future on the high seas, a war of all against all. Is the end of surface combat fleets coming into sight? It's not an immediate prospect. Strategic one-upsmanship typifies international competition and conflict. Innovation begets counter-innovation.

Nevertheless, the maritime strategic landscape is starting to look grim for "skimmers" such as myself who ply the water's surface. Surface navies doubtless have a future in peacetime. Whether they can contribute in wartime, even if armed with carrier killers, is worth pondering.
 

frenchbriefs

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

The yanks can be quite techonologically backward at times,,it took them till now to realise they need a supersonic ship killer missile?

its not about them needing a missile,its about how impossibly hard it is to defend a big and slow moving target against missile threats.rockets and missiles have made many forms of warfare obsolete.
 

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The yanks can be quite techonologically backward at times,,it took them till now to realise they need a supersonic ship killer missile?
Its not that they can't build it. But defense companies take advantage and charge ridiculous R& D plus cost overuns that may be many time and many billions over budget,
 

syed putra

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Sweden, Norway will finance shipbuilding if it uses their design and technological input. They are not interested in building it themselves due to expensive msnpower and labour shortage. Their naval architects probably have offices in Singapore to market these innovative design.
 

frenchbriefs

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Its not that they can't build it. But defense companies take advantage and charge ridiculous R& D plus cost overuns that may be many time and many billions over budget,

they can ask they the defense companies to build it,then outsource it to china to make some cheaper better faster copy.
 

virus

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Survivability. A report by the Pentagon's director of Operational Test and Evaluation found that neither LCS design was expected to “be survivable in a hostile combat environment” and that neither ship could withstand the Navy's ship shock trials. Civilian wargame scenarios have shown serious survivability problems for littoral combat ships in solo patrol roles against Chinese equivalents in Philippine waters.

Range. Tests show LCS is only capable of sustaining 14 days at sea, not an originally planned 21. On her first overseas deployment to Singapore, USS Freedom (LCS 1) had to undergo extensive propulsion system repairs after breaking down and drifting until towed into harbor.

Weapons Capacity. The LCS is the case exemplar of the Navy’s payload-centric model, a platform designed to carry three basic mission-focused modules: surface warfare, mine countermeasure, and anti-submarine warfare. Only one of these, the surface warfare module, is in service.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...igate_lcs_is_outgunned_outclassed_107124.html
 

eatshitndie

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are you referring to this x3k?

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songsongjurong

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Re: Indons can built a stealth littoral combat trimaran, and we buy shit from others?

Please send boatloads of refugees, can alongside keppel,raffles marina.

Our patrol pickup nothing from latest incursion to raffles marina, let alone a stealth boat.. heck, just drop them off east coast beach.
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