• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Xi jinping could be china’s last communist ruler

makapaaa

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
[h=1]XI JINPING COULD BE CHINA’S LAST COMMUNIST RULER[/h]
<!-- /.block --> <style>.node-article .field-name-link-line-above-tags{float: right;}.node-article .field-name-ad-box-in-article {float: left;margin: 15px 15px 10px 0;}.node-article .field-tags{clear: both;}</style> Post date:
2 Oct 2014 - 5:30pm





<iframe src="http://tpc.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-0/html/container.html" style="display: none; visibility: hidden;"></iframe><ins id="aswift_0_expand" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 336px; height: 280px; display: inline-table; visibility: visible; position: relative; background-color: transparent; border-image: none;"><ins id="aswift_0_anchor" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 336px; height: 280px; display: block; visibility: visible; position: relative; background-color: transparent; border-image: none;"><iframe name="aswift_0" width="336" height="280" id="aswift_0" frameBorder="0" marginWidth="0" marginHeight="0" scrolling="no" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowfullscreen="true" style="left: 0px; top: 0px; position: absolute;" allowTransparency="true"></iframe></ins></ins>


The mammoth protests that have gripped Hong Kong for the past several days have implications far beyond this Special Administrative Region of more than 7 million people. In rejecting Beijing’s plan to allow only sham elections for the next chief executive of Hong Kong, in mobilizing tens of thousands of people into the streets for several days running, and in fashioning a peaceful symbol of resistance and restraint (the umbrella) in the face of an inflammatory overreaction by the police, the youth-led demonstrators have posed the most serious challenge to the authority of the Chinese Communist Party since the massacre in Tiananmen Square 25 years ago.
China’s Communist rulers have only themselves to blame for the political crisis in Hong Kong. Since it reverted from British colonial rule to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, Hong Kong has enjoyed significant autonomy and civil freedom under the principle of “one country, two systems.” During these last 17 years, Hong Kongers have waited patiently for Beijing to deliver on the Basic Law’s promise of “gradual and orderly progress” toward “the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures.” When Beijing announced in 2004 that Hong Kong was “not yet ready” to democratically elect its Chief Executive in 2007, or its legislature in 2008, many in Hong Kong were bitterly disappointed. But people waited hopefully for 2012, or 2017 at the latest.

The recent eruption of popular outrage was prompted by Beijing’s decision, announced at the end of August, to defer indefinitely the dream of democratic self-governance in Hong Kong. China’s rulers have now delivered an Iranian-style interpretation of “universal suffrage”: everyone can vote, but only for candidates approved by the real rulers. Instead of “one country, two systems,” Hong Kong is getting “one country, one autocracy,” with increasing concentration of economic power and shrinking media and academic freedom.

Hong Kong’s youthful demonstrators are economically worried, but even more so, they are politically indignant. Many, like the 17-year-old student protest leader Joshua Wong, were born after the handover and raised in a prosperous, civically vibrant, and open society. They grew up tweeting and texting, and they see democratic self-governance as both their natural right and their constitutional promise. Many older Hong Kongers remember colonial rule, and cherish the civil freedoms and rule of law that they now see eroding under the lengthening shadow of economic and political control from Beijing. No one knows what percentage of Hong Kong’s population is willing to risk prosperity to press democratic demands to the limit. But hundreds of thousands of protestors and sympathizers view Beijing’s political intransigence as an existential threat to Hong Kong’s future.

This was an avoidable crisis. Over the years, many creative ideas have been floated to realize “gradual and orderly progress” toward democracy. China’s Communist leaders could have negotiated with moderate Hong Kong democrats to gradually expand the range of candidates permitted to contest Chief Executive elections, and to move in stages to a fully directly elected legislature (30 of the 70 members are now elected by narrow functional constituencies). Political compromise could have fashioned a popular majority accepting patient progress. What Hong Kong got instead was no negotiations and no progress, but rather an authoritarian imposition thinly masquerading as popular sovereignty.

Beijing’s intransigence was never solely about Hong Kong, and neither are the current protests. This is a struggle for the future of China itself. President Xi and his fellow Party bosses are consumed with fear that they will meet the same fate as Mikhail Gorbachev if they do not maintain tight, centralized political control. Xi will pursue economic reform. He will try to purge the party and state of brazen corruption (while also purging his rivals along the way). But political reform is ruled out. So, even, is discussion (or teaching or tweeting) about such concepts as “universal values,” “freedom of speech,” “civil society” and “judicial independence.

China is changing rapidly in the wake of rapid economic growth. A civil society is slowly rising, alongside a pragmatic and more independent-minded business class. People now debate issues through social media, even with state controls. The middle class is traveling and gaining exposure to democratic ideas and freedoms, most dangerously, in Taiwan and Hong Kong. Ironically, during this long holiday week when China celebrates its National Day (and now the 65th anniversary of the Communist Revolution), many Chinese vacationing in Hong Kong are suddenly watching a very different kind of revolution.




<ins id="aswift_1_expand" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 336px; height: 280px; display: inline-table; visibility: visible; position: relative; background-color: transparent; border-image: none;"><ins id="aswift_1_anchor" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 336px; height: 280px; display: block; visibility: visible; position: relative; background-color: transparent; border-image: none;"><iframe name="aswift_1" width="336" height="280" id="aswift_1" frameBorder="0" marginWidth="0" marginHeight="0" scrolling="no" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowfullscreen="true" style="left: 0px; top: 0px; position: absolute;" allowTransparency="true"></iframe></ins></ins>


China’s rulers are now stuck in a trap of their own making. If they brutally repress mass demonstrations, as they did a quarter century ago, they will gravely damage their international legitimacy, wreck prospects for closer relations with Taiwan, and destroy the civic fabric of Hong Kong. If they do what they should have done months ago — negotiate — they fear they will look to be capitulating to mass pressure, thereby inviting more of it in a country where hundreds of local-level protests erupt daily. Thus they will probably wait, hoping the protests will ebb, while preserving the option of dumping the current Chief Executive, C.Y. Leung, as a sacrificial lamb.

If the protests persist and grow, China’s Communist rulers will face an awful choice, and they may well repeat the tragic mistake of 1989. But this is not the China of 25 years ago. Xi Jinping can no more will an emergent civil society out of existence than King Canute could command the tides of the sea to recede. But alas, King Canute understood the natural limits to his power. Xi Jinping does not appear to do so, and this is why he could well be China’s last Communist ruler.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Larry Diamond is Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Director of Stanford’s Center on Democracy, Development, and the Rule of Law
*Article first appeared on www.Time.com
 

frenchbriefs

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Putin did not show any hesitation,roll out the tanks and declare all surrounding asian countries,hong kong taiwan vietnam singapore as USSR of china immediately.
 

sochi2014

Alfrescian
Loyal
How could the children of the biological father have feelings for their father if they were brought up by adopted kuailow parents who valued democracy freedom and non corruption?
 

tanwahtiu

Alfrescian
Loyal
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Larry Diamond is Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Director of Stanford’s Center on Democracy, Development, and the Rule of Law
*Article first appeared on www.Time.com

anything written by angmohs are rubbish.

They were Christian Crusaders (not a democratic country at that time) sailed to North and East Asia using Bible to go to war with non-Christians.

They commit crimes in the name of Gods in the Bible (One God system) invaded and colonized native lands to established Christian religion all over the world.

They failed miserably in Asia where Buddha Dharampada scriptures rein over their silly Bible story. Shakespear writing style for drama and theater entertainment only did not do well in their Bible for teaching of wisdom, God wisdom if any?

Merrily Thou say unto thee, fcuk thee muther smelly cunt ...?
 
Last edited:

steffychun

Alfrescian
Loyal
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Larry Diamond is Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Director of Stanford’s Center on Democracy, Development, and the Rule of Law
*Article first appeared on www.Time.com

anything written by angmohs are rubbish.

They were Christian Crusaders (not a democratic country at that time) sailed to North and East Asia using Bible to go to war with non-Christians.

They commit crimes in the name of Gods in the Bible (One God system) invaded and colonized native lands to established Christian religion all over the world.

They failed miserably in Asia where Buddha Dharampada scriptures rein over their silly Bible story. Shakespear writing style for drama and theater entertainment only did not do well in their Bible for teaching of wisdom, God wisdom if any?

Merrily Thou say unto thee, fcuk thee muther smelly cunt ...?

Angmohs lost the crusades.
 

syed putra

Alfrescian
Loyal
Xi jumping is nothing but a domineering dictator. Right wing conservative if there is ever one in the communist party.
 

laksaboy

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Xi jumping is nothing but a domineering dictator. Right wing conservative if there is ever one in the communist party.

Things are not that simple, bodoh. There is also a lot of in-fighting inside the Chinese Commie Party. It is definitely not one single united entity as they would like you to believe.

[video=youtube;eob49hfqCAc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eob49hfqCAc[/video]
 

nkfnkfnkf

Alfrescian
Loyal
TS a dreaming idiot.

All Beijing need to do is to write off some money and peasants' lives with a levish budget e.g. 100 billion HK$ 15,000 dead Hongkees, they will rule easily for few more centuries. Also soon demolish Japan and liberate Taiwan. Also watch US die in starvation. You mean communists are so pussy whim like LHL is it?
 

eatshitndie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
better still. if the commie regime in tiongland were to collapse, hk should be prepared for a massive influx of regime-change refugees from the mainland. the fecal production in their mtr system should increase proportionately too. :biggrin:
 

congo9

Alfrescian
Loyal
Goodbye Eleven....


China leadership is a bit misguided. People around the World won't care a hoot if you abuse, beat up your own people in your mainland China. No one will care.

So what you can do is to grant HK the right to choose their own leaders. It won't cause much damaged. What you can do is to do a lot of damage control scenario behind the scene. Do a lot of propoganda film about how good socialist system compared to Hong Kong free wheeling economy. It might look prosperous, but it has a very serious consequences. Compare and contrast, be more subtle about it.

You can control money but you can also control idea by controlling information flow.
You too can control information, by planting different idea in people's mind.

It works both way.
 

Sideswipe

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
what if every province wants to follow HK and elects its own leaders ? the CCP learned from its struggles with the Nationalists pre-1949 that a strong powerful central government is crucial to the political stability of the regime and development of the country. the PRC political model is based on a strong central government with absolute authority over the provinces. the CCP wouldn't want to repeat the mistakes of the Qing dynasty or the Chinese Nationalist party: their political power and legitimacy were seriously undermined and weakened from the decentralization of powers and autonomy of the provinces. that had a long-lasting effect in the eventual downfall of both regimes.

the CCP has many considerations and calculations in its dealings with HK and how it might possibly affect Mainland China and its relationship with Taiwan too.
 

sochi2014

Alfrescian
Loyal
No China should progress through political means. Science and money grabbing society is going nowhere! It has made China a very shallow and weak society. Everyone is concerned about well rounded education development but that has to be complimented by well rounded social development.
 
Top