#OccupyCentral thread: Give me Liberty or Give me Death!

Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement


Opposing sides beginning to talk about way out, but they're still far apart

Pan-democrats Martin Lee and Jimmy Lai put proposals to Legco president in bid to end stalemate, but they can't agree a way forward

PUBLISHED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 3:55am
UPDATED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 7:39am

Gary Cheung and Peter So

A protester gets some sleep under the watchful gaze of policemen at government headquarters in Admiralty. Photo: Felix Wong

Initial dialogue between heavyweights from the government-friendly and pan-democratic camp has failed to break the deadlock as government and protesters remain poles apart.

Protest leaders also snubbed executive councillor Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee's proposal for a televised discussion.

Legislative Council president Jasper Tsang Yok-sing confirmed yesterday he had met Martin Lee Chu-ming, founding chairman of the Democratic Party, and Next Media chief Jimmy Lai Chee-ying on Wednesday to try to find a way to end the stalemate.

Tsang said Lee and Lai phoned him on Wednesday morning to seek a meeting.

"They told me they were worried about the current situation," the Legco chief said.

But no conclusion was reached after the one-hour meeting, which took place at Lee's office in Admiralty on Wednesday afternoon.

"They made some suggestions during the meeting but I believe their ideas would be very difficult to implement. We didn't arrive at any encouraging conclusion," Tsang said.

Neither Tsang nor Lee would disclose what was discussed. Tsang emphasised he had not been asked by Beijing to meet the pair.

"I don't see there is anything we can do to resolve the deadlock immediately," he said.

The protests go international in New York (above) and Stockholm and Singapore (bottom), Photos: AP, AFP, Bloomberg

A source familiar with the meeting said Lee and Lai wanted to find a solution to end the occupation peacefully as they were worried about the possibility of the protests spinning out of control. Tsang said Beijing would definitely not allow Leung to resign under the pressure of a mass movement.

The Occupy Central organisers and the Federation of Students are demanding Leung's resignation and Beijing's retraction of its restrictive framework for the 2017 chief executive election.

"It would be impossible to kick off the dialogue between the government and protesters if such demands were set as preconditions," Tsang said.

Regina Ip yesterday called for an open televised discussion without any preconditions between her and five protest leaders - Benny Tai Yiu-ting of Occupy Central, Joshua Wong Chi-fung of Scholarism, Alex Chow Yong-kang of the Federation of Students, unionist Lee Cheuk-yan and Fung Wai-wah of the Professional Teachers Union.

"I hope this open discussion could help to remove barriers for future talks [between government officials and protesters]," said Ip, chairwoman of the New People's Party.

She said that the chief executive had been notified of the move, but stressed that she was not acting on Leung's behalf.

Regina Ip's call for a debate is rejected. Photo: K.Y. Cheng

Lee Cheuk-yan, who spoke on behalf of the other four protest leaders, rejected Ip's invitation, saying it was meaningless to talk to her. "Even if she acts as a middle person, protesters would not trust her," he said.

Meanwhile, Basic Law Committee member Albert Chen Hung-yee proposed the government reconsider drawing up a proposal for the 2017 chief executive election based on a moderate proposal put forward earlier by 13 scholars.

Under the "list system" they propose, those who want to run for election would first have to be endorsed by 10 per cent of a 2,400-strong nominating committee, before going on to win 20 per cent of their vote. Those who did so would then form a list of candidates, which would have to be approved by at least 50 per cent of the committee for the candidates to go forward to a public vote. If not, the whole process of selecting candidates would have to start all over again.

The scholars said the proposal's all-or-nothing approach was intended to avoid "unreasonable screening" of candidates.

Chen said the government should appoint a panel headed by the former chief justice to gauge public views on the government proposal. "If Legco's vote on the proposal deviates from the mainstream opinion collated by the panel, the chief executive should dissolve Legco and allow the public a say on the government proposal through Legco by-elections," he said.

[Hong Kong] - A LOTR-esque Conspiracy Theory on the Protests

[Hong Kong] - A LOTR-esque Conspiracy Theory on the Protests

http://www.chinauncensored.org/

Recently, China’s rubber stamp National People’s Congress (NPC) delivered the deathblow to hopes for full democracy in Hong Kong. Despite promising universal suffrage by 2017, the NPC ruled that nominees for Hong Kong’s chief executive must be preapproved by the Communist Party.

That’s like telling a flock of sheep they get to choose whether a wolf or a dingo watches over them.

But why now? On Aug. 19, the Wall Street Journal reported that, “according to people familiar with the matter,” the NPC would announce a decision at the end of August regarding Hong Kong’s right to vote. So the exact date of the decision wasn’t set that much beforehand. It’s easy to say the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) never planned to let Hong Kong vote without restrictions, but still, why was this announced now?

But what if this isn’t really about Hong Kong. What if this is really about rival factions within the CCP?

You can’t think of the Party as this single entity stopping at nothing to feed itself. The Party is actually badly divided between rival factions. Current Chinese leader Xi Jinping has his greatest political opponent in former Chinese leader Jiang Zemin and his faction. The hallmark of Xi’s quote-unquote presidency has been a quote-unquote anti-corruption campaign. It just so happens that most of the biggest players taken out by it have been a part of former Chinese leader Jiang Zemin’s faction.

For the past year, Xi has been taking out everyone close to Jiang Zemin. The biggest tiger to take the fall so far has been former head honcho of China’s domestic security network, Zhou Yongkang. Epoch Times has reported that Zhou had even tried to assassinate Xi Jinping. Zhou was placed under official investigation just last month.

So how is this connected to the NPC’s ruling on Hong Kong?

No one really knows what’s happening with Jiang Zemin right now. There are rumors he’s in detention, or is under house arrest, or in the hospital, or dead. But whatever may or may not be happening with Jiang, one thing is very clear: There’s a battle going on between Xi and Jiang, and Xi has the upper hand.

If I were in Jiang’s faction, I’d be worried. And desperate.

China is basically ruled by a scary council of seven old Chinese men known as the Politburo Standing Committee, and only three are still loyal to Jiang. They are Liu Yunshan, Zhang Gaoli, and Zhang Dejiang. Let’s forget about the other two and focus on Zhang Dejiang.

Zhang is the head of the NPC. So when the NPC rules against universal suffrage in Hong Kong, or releases a white paper saying Beijing can do whatever it wants there, that’s basically Zhang Dejiang saying that.

So let’s connect the dots. One month after fellow Jiang faction member Zhou Yongkang is taken out, Zhang Dejiang does something that is guaranteed to inflame Hong Kong, right before the potentially massive Occupy Central protest.

Jiang’s faction wants trouble in Hong Kong. In fact, Zhang Dejiang was expecting it. According to Forbes, Zhang said Beijing expected “something might happen.”

And since people saw an envoy of 10 extra tanks rolling into Hong Kong right before the NPC announced they’d be taking away universal suffrage, I think its blood on the streets they want—another Tiananmen Square massacre.

Jiang Zemin got into power in the first place because of the massacre. If they can manufacture another one in Hong Kong, that would be a huge blow to Xi Jinping. Xi would become the face of whatever happens in Hong Kong. He would have to clean all that up, and that would make it harder for him to continue going after his political enemies.

And if Xi is destabilized enough, it could even be a chance for Jiang’s faction to regain power. Hong Kong is becoming a powder keg and this might have been an attempt to throw the match that would set it off. And if the people of Hong Kong aren’t careful, they could be playing right into the hands of some pretty bad guys.

This decision by the NPC, may not have come from Xi. I’m not saying Xi is a good guy. I just don’t think we’ve had a chance to see his true colors. He’s been holding his cards so close to his chest, they’re practically under his ribcage. After all, no one predicted that he was going to go all out against his enemies like this before he came to power. If they had, he would never have gotten power in the first place.

I’m also not saying don’t protest the decision by the NPC. But I think it would be better to specifically target the guys really behind the decision: Jiang Zemin’s faction. And when Zhang Dejiang is inevitably purged and someone new is the head of the NPC, maybe things might be different for Hong Kong.

Meanwhile, Xi is also trying to expand his influence over the military. The hawkish, warmongering extremist faction of the Party is going nuts, aggressively inflaming territorial disputes. The result is that they’ve managed to push even communist Vietnam so far, that there’s talk of allying with the United States against China. Think about that. Vietnam might ally with the United States against China!

Could it be Xi is letting this side of the Party overextend itself, so he can say, “You guys messed up big time.” Then Xi can easily take greater control of China’s military without having to do any of the kind of political purging he’s been doing with the domestic security forces. Xi is close to having the kind of power that no one has had in China since Deng Xiaoping or maybe even Mao. There’s already a growing personality cult around him.

And there’s potentially a fortune on the line. Jiang’s faction controlled China’s domestic security forces for almost a decade. In 2012 alone, the budget for China’s vast network of police, military police, and secret police was $124 billion, which is $10 billion more than the Army’s budget. If these guys were corrupt, which I think we can safely assume, a lot of that money was probably siphoned off and stashed away. That’s a lot of money to go around if Jiang’s faction falls.

So far in this power struggle, Xi Jinping has been winning left and right. But all that could unravel if Hong Kong turns into a warzone. So to anyone reading in Hong Kong—be careful! At the risk of sounding a little Lord of the Ringsy, there are powerful sinister forces with their own hidden manipulative agendas at work.

Re: [Hong Kong] - A LOTR-esque Conspiracy Theory on the Protests

after Russia and China support Iran and Syria............see what happened.......

Russia kana trouble by Ukraine.........now China kana HK.........

protests involving so many people don't just happen by itself...........always got some hidden mastermind.........

the Jews have been behind most if not all revolutions and civil wars for ages...........

Re: [Hong Kong] - A LOTR-esque Conspiracy Theory on the Protests

What a load of rubbish!

As I have said before, when all else fails, Lightning's brigade will resort to conspiracy theories, believing that the majority of Sinkies are dumb and will fall for it. Examples are Chee Soon Juan is PAP mole, so and so is a PAP IB when in fact all his posts are anti-Lightning, etc.

Let me put it in simple terms, so plain that even a Vulcan oops daft Sinkie can understand:

1) This movement was announced by Benny Tai and two other academics more than one year ago. In other words, they needed time to plan and resources to make it work. They went to Jimmy Lai and the pan democrats to join forces. The Giordano tycoon was dismissive of the idea at first, calling "naive" in leaked emails. Leaked because a staff was a turncoat.

2) Scholarism was active way before that and started out as a movement against the implementation of brainwashing national education in schools with things like "the Communist Party is God's greatest gift to China". Yeah right, equivalent to "Sinkieland was a fishing village before Old Fart came to power". Absolute nonsense! Only StewPIG persons like Dog is my God or Ultimate Offline will believe in such rubbish. Scholarism and student and trade unions (all three initiators of Occupy Central were academics at tertiary institutions) were also sought as allies.

3) The notion that Jiang Zemin's faction would use Hong Kong to destroy Xi's and risk being exposed as traitors to the nation is ridiculous to say the least. Many wealthy as well as powerful mainland Chinese, including many from Jiang's faction, have bought real estate in Hong Kong. They are not so stupid as to destroy the value of their own investments even if the money was acquired by corruption, which by the way is not so simple and have to involve the use of many strategies to cover up and avoid detection. Further, many top mainland officials do not trust their own consumer products and buy milk powder in Hong Kong for their grandchildren for example. Of course, they don't do it personally.

4) Hong Kong is a centre for laundering money of PRC's corrupt officials. Bank of China was accused of doing so in mainland media a few months ago leading to a drop in the price of its H shares. Jiang or Xi or Ultimate CCP or Comrade Dog is my God will not be so StewPIG as to spoil the Washing Machine that cleans their ill gotten cash.

5) The issue is simple - universal suffrage was promised and is enshrined in the Basic Law. Unfortunately, the mechanism is vague. Nominating committee is specifically stated but how it is to be constituted and what is threshold of votes within that committee to enable a candidate to stand for election as Chief Executive is left blank. Obviously one should look to the substance rather than the form, whatever mechanism is chosen must be genuine universal suffrage. Requiring half of the nominating committee of a mere 1,200 cronies to sanction a person before he can stand for election is clearly NOT in conformance with the spirit of the Basic Law. That is the bottom line - Jiang or no Jiang.

6) Whoever is behind the movement, it will not succeed unless it resonates with a significant portion of the population. Events have clearly shown that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Hongkies reject CCP's proposal and want genuine universal suffrage and are prepared to fight for it. They will get some kind of concessions eventually and it will be good not just for Hong Kong, but for all Chinese. It has also shown that a population does not deserve freedom or democracy unless it is prepared to fight for it. So, Sinkies like Dog is My God and Ultimate Offline can stick their arses up in the air and be screwed by Lightning for all I care!

I will save ammunition for later use in this and other threads. Lightning brigade, be forewarned, insult Sinkies' intelligence some more by spewing more rubbish like this and your nick will be added to my spreadsheet.

Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

先管好中国大陆才说吧！共产党瓦解是迟早的事！

Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

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Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

他的微笑？？？？？？？？

Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

lianbeng said:

连明说：邓小平出动坦克车，习近平出动什么呢？ :p

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Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

sochi2014 said:

先管好中国大陆才说吧！共产党瓦解是迟早的事！

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中国已经是管得比大部分国家妥善强盛。这年头会领先瓦解的一定是所谓的民主国家。特别是在美国。各个都是政府面临破产。人民失业挨饿。国力疲乏穷困。债务淘天。失昏落魄辽倒失败。不瓦解崩溃是千古奇迹哦。

Re: 习近平应该下手香港大扫除咯

lianbeng said:

连明说：邓小平出动坦克车，习近平出动什么呢？ :p

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Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement



Published on Oct 3, 2014

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'Anonymous' hacker group brings down DAB, Occupy Central websites

Other sites targeted by Anonymous include those of the Hong Kong Police Force and Hong Kong International Airport

PUBLISHED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 4:56pm
UPDATED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 5:12pm

Jeremy Blum [email protected]

A selection of .hk registered websites attacked by Anonymous. Photo: Screenshot via Twitter

Hacking group Anonymous has made good on their promise to begin targeting Hong Kong websites, bringing the homepages of the Occupy Central civil disobedience movement, the Silent Majority for Hong Kong, and the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB) offline today.

Access to the sites has either been inaccessible or intermittent this afternoon, and all three targets remain the latest and most high-profile sites hacked by the international “hacktivist” group, which announced their intention to wage cyber warfare against Hong Kong yesterday

A screencap of the Anonymous Asia Facebook page, showing the targeted Occupy Central website. Photo: SCMP Pictures

DAB chairman Tam Yiu-chung described the hacking as "outrageous" and said that staff were currently working to get their site back online as soon as possible.

A look at various Anonymous-related Twitter accounts and the Facebook page of Anonymous Asia reveals that hackers began rallying a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack against the sites earlier this morning, essentially bombarding them with traffic, overloading their servers, and bringing them offline by the afternoon.

Other sites that have been targeted by Anonymous over the last 24 hours but continue to remain online include the official homepages of Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, the Hong Kong Police Force, Ocean Park and the Hong Kong International Airport.

Anonymous has also targeted and defaced a variety of webpages registered with a .hk domain name that are run by small organisations, including an Autism Partnership site and a site run by Nantong Jiehao Machine Equipment, a company that appears to be based in mainland China.

The hacking group, which has become well known for hijacking high-profile targets such as Sony, Visa, the FBI and the Church of Scientology, publicly announced its support of the protests yesterday in a video sent to American news portal News2share.

“It has come to our attention that recent tactics used against peaceful protesters here in the United States have found their way to Hong Kong,” the video states.

“To the protesters in Hong Kong, we have heard your plea for help …To the Hong Kong police and any others that are called to the protests …if you continue to abuse, harass or harm protesters, we will continue to deface and take every web-based asset of your government offline. That is not a threat. It is a promise.”

Anonymous was founded in 2003 and has some 20 members in Hong Kong.

Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement


Mainland Chinese youths launch Facebook campaign to support Hong Kong protesters

PUBLISHED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 3:23pm
UPDATED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 5:54pm

Chen Yifei and Raquel Carvalho

A screenshot of the facebook page of Mainlanders support Hong Kong.

https://www.facebook.com/WeSupportHongKong

A Facebook page was set up on Wednesday by a group of mainlanders seeking to support the ongoing "Umbrella Revolution" in Hong Kong.

Lydia Liu, one of the initiators and a former student in Hong Kong, said she had received 20 to 30 photos by Thursday.

“We persuaded people who are now on the mainland not to post their photos [of themselves]. We don’t want to put them in trouble,” she said. “People have been detained in Shenzhen for showing support.”

Liu is now studying abroad, “I may not have the guts to do it if I live in mainland,” she said.

“For us [mainlanders] living in Hong Kong or abroad, we won’t get arrested for showing our support, at least for a period of time. Mainlanders need to step up [to show our support].”

The page, called “Mainlanders support Hong Kong”, had gathered more than 1,500 likes by Friday afternoon.

Liu said photos were sent by people from a variety of walks of life, including students, finance professionals and musicians.

Support is not limited to providing a photograph, the page administrator will also share reflections on and analysis of the pro-democracy demonstrations.

Mainlanders support Hong Kong was set up initially in response to a photo campaign conducted on the Wechat account of “Hong Kong Drifters Circles” (Gangpiaoquan), an online community popular among recent mainland immigrants to Hong Kong.

The Gangpiaoquan Weibo account invited its more than 50,000 subscribers to share their thoughts on “What’s happening in Hong Kong” under the hashtag “I live in Hong Kong and I have something to say.”

An initial post that launched the Gangpiaoquan campaign showed a dozen people holding banners with slogans that read “I want to focus on study”, “Keep calm and carry on”, and “I want to go shopping in Temple Street”. The number of participants is unknown because Wechat only allows sharing among friends.

The post was deleted on Tuesday amid tightening censorship by Chinese authorities.

Liu said these slogans were indicating opposition to the Umbrella Revolution, and Gangpiaoquan had refused to post photos with messages of support that she sent.

An executive of Gangpiaoquan declined an interview request by a reporter from the South China Morning Post.

“Many mainland residents [in Hong Kong] are showing their support, and their voices need to be heard,” Liu said.

Liu’s words echoed those of some of the mainland immigrants the Post talked to. They sympathise with the demonstrators and their cause, and try to share photos and accounts from Hong Kong with friends in mainland, where mainstream media reports on the protest are rare and usually dismissive. Large scale censorship of social media in the mainland also prevents the sharing of information about the protests.

In fact, opinions on the demonstrations are severely divided in the mainland community in Hong Kong.

Some mainland students interviewed by the Post at the the University of Hong Kong said they would stay clear of the protest movement.

“We don’t want to join this type of political event. ... We don’t want to be related with those Hong Kong students,” said 23-year-old Melody Ling, “We prefer to focus more on our studies.”

Twenty five-year-old Anna Wu said she agreed with the Chinese government, “I think that democracy should be a process. Mainland China already gave a lot to Hong Kong.”

Nearly all the interviewees, supportive or not, were pessimistic about the movement’s future.

One 24-year-old HKU PhD student surnamed Wang said the “objective of the movement is good”, but he didn’t think the students would achieve their goals.

“They can hardly succeed,” said another, speaking on condition of anonymity. The central government would lose ground to protests in other parts in China if it gives in to Hong Kong, he explained.

Liu was more optimistic; “You need to fight and hope for the best,” she said.

“There are indeed concerns about a crackdown, but Hong Kong people have more experience in social movement, and they have a relatively sophisticated withdrawal mechanism,” she said. “When the rumour of rubber bullets spread [on last Sunday night], the organisers asked people to retreat. Their priority is peoples’ lives.”

Liu is not the first mainlander to openly voice support for the pro-democracy protests. A similar Facebook page was built on Monday. Photos posted on the page showed people in the mainland holding banners with supportive messages, some were covering their faces with the banners for fear of persecution.

Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement


Hongkongers questioned by police after attending solidarity rally in Singapore

PUBLISHED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 2:19pm
UPDATED : Friday, 03 October, 2014, 5:48pm

James Griffiths [email protected]

Attendees of a candlelit vigil at Hong Lim Park gather to support the Hong Kong democracy protests in Singapore. Photo: Bloomberg

As thousands of protesters remained on the streets of Hong Kong, where pro-democracy demonstrations have entered their sixth day, those in Singapore have not found it quite so easy to express their political views.

After a solidarity rally was held in Singapore’s Hong Lim Park, attendees said they saw “around six” Hongkongers who had attended the event taken in for questioning by police.

In response to an enquiry by the South China Morning Post, a Singapore police spokesman confirmed that “several foreigners are currently assisting with investigations into offences under the Public Order Act,” but he emphasised that no arrests had been made.

The Act strictly governs the holding of demonstrations or protests in Singapore, stipulating that “cause-related activities will be regulated by permit regardless of the number of persons involved or the format they are conducted in.”

Demonstrators at the Hong Lim Park gather to show their support for Hong Kong's pro-democracy protesters in Singapore. Photo: AFP

The event, “Democracy Now! Singapore in Solidarity with Hong Kong”, was held at Speaker’s Corner, a “free speech area” within the park where events can be held without the need to apply for a licence from the authorities.

However, as the organisers wrote on Facebook: “Our authoritarian government requires foreigners and permanent residents to apply for a permit to participate in this event. If you don’t have a permit, you can come and ‘observe’.”

It is unclear exactly what the Hongkongers who attended the rally, believed to be students, did to raise the ire of the Singaporean police. A spokesman would not respond to specific queries, saying “Speakers’ Corner is a designated site for Singapore citizens to speak freely on issues as long as they do not touch on racial or religious matters.

“Only Singapore citizens and permanent residents are allowed to participate in demonstrations held at the Speakers’ Corner. Foreigners and organisers of assemblies and processions involving foreigners are required to obtain a police permit before they can use the Speakers’ Corner.

“While foreigners are allowed to work or live here, they have to abide by our laws. They should not import their domestic issues from their countries into Singapore and conduct activities which can disturb public order. Those who break the law will be seriously dealt with.”

A man lights candles next to signs during a candlelight vigil in solidarity with protesters of the "Occupy Central" movement in Hong Kong at the Hong Lim Park in Singapore. Photo: Reuters

Organisers said they had not been able to speak to the Hongkongers after they were released by police.

“The students have been thoroughly warned and are afraid to event meet with the organisers,” a participant in the rally told the Post. “They are quite firm in ceasing communications with them.”

Several hundred people, mostly Singaporeans, attended the vigil on Wednesday evening.

The crowd sang Under A Vast Sky, the song by Hong Kong band Beyond that has become one of the protesters’ unofficial anthems, and lit candles and wrote messages of support for demonstrators in Hong Kong.

“The event went well, despite the fact that we had less than two days to get everything together, including the publicity,” organiser Rachel Zeng told the Post. “What was really heartwarming was the atmosphere, and the fact that people cared enough to come down on a weekday evening to express their solidarity and support towards the struggle for democracy as well as free and fair elections in Hong Kong.”

Stephan Ortmann, a research fellow at the City University of Hong Kong, told The Diplomat magazine “The costs for protests in Hong Kong are much lower than in Singapore. There is no apparent monitoring, though people are still concerned about their jobs if they take a leading role. In addition, Singaporeans are much more deeply embedded in a system of government control from housing to government-linked jobs to government-run kindergartens … this acts as a co-optation mechanism.”

Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement

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Re: What is Occupy Central? 10 key facts about Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement

Everyday go work for what?

Take a holiday lah. Go and visit angmo lands and see how human beings not slaves enjoy their life.

China paid money to people to kachiow protesters!!

So cheapskate underhanded !! Chinese garmen is not to be trusted.

They have paid internet IBs and now this.

They censored protest images of HK in mainland news broadcast!

How much more are they going to lie to themselves?

How long more do they plan to make their own citizens ignorant?

What kind of shitty country is this?

How could a country where majority of citizens are ignorant and ambivalent be strong?

What is the point of being loyal to a country whom many are living in daily lies?

What is the point of living in a capitalist economy without capitalist political freedom and democracy?

Re: China paid money to people to kachiow protesters!!

Wrong.

Ang Moh sponsor money for clowns to stage protest for so called DEMOCRACY this caused angry people to hammer these traitors.

Re: China paid money to people to kachiow protesters!!


PAP IB is collaborating with China 50 cent brigade to smear the west and her allies in all sg forums

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