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China should send troops to fight the IS.

Agoraphobic

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In this article, the writer gives his reasons for China to get involved in fighting the IS. Not only do I agree with him, I think as part of China's growing and modernising her military, troop readiness and capability has to keep up with weapons upgrade as well. It is quite pointless to have the latest weapons, but no actual experience. For a regional power, she should avoid being caught in that position. So, sending troops to face the IS is the best legit way of doing so.

Cheers!


http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/its-still-a-good-idea-for-china-to-send-troops-to-fight-isis/

It's Still a Good Idea for China to Send Troops to Fight ISIS
Beijing has more to gain than to lose by intervening against ISIS in Iraq.

By Dingding Chen

September 16, 2014

In my last piece, I argued that China should send troops to fight the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS ) for global public goods and its own national interests. I listed five major benefits of doing so. Unsurprisingly, many have pointed out the potential dangers and pitfalls of my proposal, and some of them have good points. After considering all the major counterarguments, I remain convinced that China still should send troops to fight ISIS. Let’s consider these counterarguments one by one.
The biggest worry and concern from many Chinese observers is that the U.S. offer to China is simply a trap to get China involved in a big mess in Iraq. According to this argument, China should not fight the war for the United States. This kind of conspiracy theory is always popular in some quarters in China. The interesting thing is that we cannot tell whether the conspiracy on the part of the U.S. is real or not, but it does not really matter. Whether China will be trapped in Iraq or not depends on China’s own strategic goals and actions. The reason the U.S. was trapped in Iraq for many years was because it had unrealistic and overly ambitious goals, i.e., reforming the whole Middle East through military occupation. China should not and will not pursue such goals as its objectives are much narrower like peacebuilding, peacekeeping, and protecting its own interests.
One related worry is that China’s involvement in Iraq might generate anti-China feelings among terrorist groups and some Arab countries. This shouldn’t be a concern either because, unlike the U.S., China’s goals will be limited. The U.S. went into Iraq for the purpose of regime change, which always generates hatred and resentment. Terrorist groups and some countries in the Middle East hate the U.S. mainly because it has a tendency to impose its own values and systems on others through military occupation and it maintains a special relationship with Israel, which is the root cause of the Palestinian problem. China does not face any of the above issues, thus making itself an unlikely target of Arab anger. In addition, ISIS is also regarded by Arab countries as a cancer to regional stability and peace, further increasing China’s legitimacy in the fight against ISIS. If some groups in the Middle East shift their resentment to China, then it only shows that those groups are already hostile toward China. The best response to such hostilities, then, is to confront them rather than running away from them.
Another concern is that China’s PLA has very limited capabilities to fight overseas. This is true, but it is precisely because of this shortcoming that it is imperative for China to join the campaign against ISIS. By doing so, China can improve its fighting capabilities. Given China’s deteriorating security environment, a military conflict with others cannot be entirely ruled out. In order to win a war, there is no better preparation than participating in a real war. More importantly, a military presence in Iraq could provide solid security for Chinese investment there. Imagine how China’s investment could have been saved during the Libyan civil war if Chinese troops were there. China lost about $20 billion in Libya and its stake in Iraq is much bigger (although most of China’s investments are in southern Iraq, far away from ISIS-controlled territory). Given the uncertainties in Iraq, we can never be sure that our investments are safe. Sooner or later China will need a security force in Iraq and now is a good time to start it. In the next five to 10 years there will be no better opportunity.
In the end, a Chinese military presence in Iraq (if China does send troops there) should meet three preconditions. First, it must be under a U.N. framework. Second, it must focus on humanitarian and peacekeeping purposes and not involve the toppling of a regime. Third, the size of China’s troop commitment must be small, letting regional actors and the U.S. do most of the heavy lifting . If the U.S. cannot agree to these terms, then China should not dispatch a singer soldier to Iraq.
 

syed putra

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China got too many separatist tendencies in yunnan, xinjiang, tibet, the islands in south china sea inhabited by malays,manchuria, Mongolia....the last thing they want is suicidal bomb strapped religious fanatics knocking on their doorstep.
 

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any war tomorrow must send tom. he will cruise into isil teeritory n b beheaded again n again until the stupid johnny gets killed.
 

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China got too many separatist tendencies in yunnan, xinjiang, tibet, the islands in south china sea inhabited by malays,manchuria, Mongolia....the last thing they want is suicidal bomb strapped religious fanatics knocking on their doorstep.

By the way Xi Jinping will not allow that otherwise Mainlanders will become the subject of mockery in this forum from me every time Jihadi John threatens to behead Mainlanders.



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China got too many separatist tendencies in yunnan, xinjiang, tibet, the islands in south china sea inhabited by malays,manchuria, Mongolia....the last thing they want is suicidal bomb strapped religious fanatics knocking on their doorstep.

1. China has seen the mess that US got into in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a war you can't win.
2. The last thing China would want is to invite a 9/11 attack on the Oriental Pearl Tower or Shanghai World Financial Centre.

Entering into the Middle East fray is just a lose-lose proposition, even for a superpower or a superpower-to-be.
 

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I wouldn't say that the Chinese are ballsless. It is in their culture not to disrupt "equilibrium" and hence have had a history of passivity. Anyone can become aggressive if given the right circumstances and/or conditions. Example, a quiet and timid man may become a violent and aggressive monster when he or his family is in danger, but if there are no reasons for him to become violent, he remains quiet and reserved. In any case, many of the aggressive types are actually mental morons. In this case here, it is not looking for reasons to fight the IS, which todate has not declared China an enemy, but more for keeping her forces trained and ready. And keeping secure her foreign interests, if any in that area is a good enough reason to mobilise her forces for this purpose.

Cheers!

By the way they are ballsless to begin with starting with their leader.
 

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I wouldn't say that the Chinese are ballsless. It is in their culture not to disrupt "equilibrium" and hence have had a history of passivity. Anyone can become aggressive if given the right circumstances and/or conditions. Example, a quiet and timid man may become a violent and aggressive monster when he or his family is in danger, but if there are no reasons for him to become violent, he remains quiet and reserved. In any case, many of the aggressive types are actually mental morons. In this case here, it is not looking for reasons to fight the IS, which todate has not declared China an enemy, but more for keeping her forces trained and ready. And keeping secure her foreign interests, if any in that area is a good enough reason to mobilise her forces for this purpose.

Cheers!

Sure. No country beats China when it comes to killing their own. Cheers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China
 

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I wouldn't say that the Chinese are ballsless. It is in their culture not to disrupt "equilibrium" and hence have had a history of passivity. Anyone can become aggressive if given the right circumstances and/or conditions. Example, a quiet and timid man may become a violent and aggressive monster when he or his family is in danger, but if there are no reasons for him to become violent, he remains quiet and reserved. In any case, many of the aggressive types are actually mental morons. In this case here, it is not looking for reasons to fight the IS, which todate has not declared China an enemy, but more for keeping her forces trained and ready. And keeping secure her foreign interests, if any in that area is a good enough reason to mobilise her forces for this purpose.

Cheers!

there no need for PLA to get involve in middle east. just the chinese northwest border region already causing Chinese interior ministry plenty of headaches. contrast to HK movie, china polis usually don't carry firearms on duty. It only the recent spate of parang wielding attacks at public transport hubs that cause china interior ministry to start arming duty polizei officers with the handguns. To avoid criminals from using the polizei standard pistol, the ministry use a special type of ammo that cannot get from commercial means.

as for combat experience, PLA maintain a long continuous borders with many unfriendly nations. Despite the friendly outlooks with Russia, PLA had many armed skirmishes with the Red / Russian army on its northern borders since 1949. The kasmir region controlled by china also saw plenty of actions against the indian army and muslim insurgents. of course there the famous 1979 sino-Vietnam conflict which saw PLA B and C graded units faring badly against the battled hardened NVA and militias. There plenty of excuses for the 1979 performance, first being only B graded units and PLA stagnated badly during the culture revolution. The result gave deng Xiaoping the excuses the purges the PLA of his opponents.

PLA do send it units overseas for UN peacekeeping missions but mostly restricted to Africa regions. US wont want PLA to stick its nose it not wanted. Having PLA in Iraq mean PLA can steal US technologies and intelligences info. At the same time, PLA don't have the mean to even maintain a regiment on long term due to logistic problems. Even SAF need Russian transport plane, the antonov, to transport barangs and personnel into Afghanistan. PLA airforce do not have enough modern strategic airlifter. The latest model the Y20 only at prototype stage only and PLA need 300 just requip and phrase out the Chinese copy of the Anv-24.
 

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the commi people army of china is only good in bribing and getting promote by relation to party members.
They are not for fighting.
They are good at killing their own citizens. Real fighting will expose them. Expose that they are pretenders.
 

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Silly Chen Dingding should go play the video game Command and Conquer: Generals.

When the USA and GLA fight each other, the only thing China should do is take out the popcorn and enjoy the show. :wink:


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Also, ISIS has done nothing wrong... it is a consequence of USA (and the Jews) stirring shit in the Islamic Middle East for decades. It goes back to the days of Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski.

A few Westerners got their heads cut off. Boo hoo. :rolleyes:
 

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Best for China is do nothing talk nothing.
Just keep quite and see what happen.
Not like our leader talk too much. Later IS start to cut SGpn head up happy???
 

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China help fight ISIS?AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
the only enemies here are between the muslims and the americans and the jews,they are the ones who have been causing and stirring trouble in the middle east since 1946!!!!!!america invaded the gulf,libya,afganistan,iraq,syria....the entire shitstorm in middle east was america's causing!!!!!not to mention the shitstorm between the israeli jews and eygpt,jordan,syria,lebanon and palestine!!!!!!!

go look at wikipedia and look how many terrorists groups america and israeli jews created!!!!!!

have u guys seen the history of the world since world war ii?from korea to vietnam to panama to cuba?from asia to europe??

do u hear the terrorists saying death to China or death to deng xiao ping?
 
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thats true....in C&C i always use China and GLA.....USA suck donkey balls.


Silly Chen Dingding should go play the video game Command and Conquer: Generals.

When the USA and GLA fight each other, the only thing China should do is take out the popcorn and enjoy the show. :wink:


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All the reasons for China to not meddle in the middle east were already countered by the article at the start of the thread. If China takes part in fighting ISIS, it will further pull her out of the perception that she will not come to the aid of the global society. For China to come out as a leader among countries, it is a good opportunity to do so, especially when Muslim countries themselves are distancing their policies away from ISIS. What better reason than this to use her modern air and ground forces and test them.

Cheers!
 

frenchbriefs

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All the reasons for China to not meddle in the middle east were already countered by the article at the start of the thread. If China takes part in fighting ISIS, it will further pull her out of the perception that she will not come to the aid of the global society. For China to come out as a leader among countries, it is a good opportunity to do so, especially when Muslim countries themselves are distancing their policies away from ISIS. What better reason than this to use her modern air and ground forces and test them.

Cheers!

why does China want to become a leader among countries?i mean what does it prove u are?some kind of leader of the world or master of the universe?thats a bullshit mentality that america comes up whenever their fucked up ego and foreign policy decides to poke their noses where they are not wanted and is none of their business.

i know a good reason to use her modern air and ground forces....by getting rid of israel.....that will make them a big hero among most of the world's population and countries with the exception of america and the jews and some of the other western countries.

tell me are u a white man ball licker?its time the fucking crackas and jews get some payback for all the pain they have caused in the last 70 years.
 
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1. China has seen the mess that US got into in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a war you can't win.
2. The last thing China would want is to invite a 9/11 attack on the Oriental Pearl Tower or Shanghai World Financial Centre.

Entering into the Middle East fray is just a lose-lose proposition, even for a superpower or a superpower-to-be.

How to win such a war? The ISIL fighters are Wahhabis. The Saudis are Wahhabis and supported the ISIL's fight with Syria.
If the Saudi support the US against ISIL - it will be just wayang.
 
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