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WONDERFUL! UK is breaking up to collapse!! Next to be USA!

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Surgeon who found his true calling in trafficking
Jardine the Scotsman makes Woffles the chicken
Looks like a mouse and a poodle all rolled in one
Not only is adjective Great no longer appropriate
Those cold and rainy isles will cease to be United
How happy am I that split should occur in an age
When all is abuzz about the resurgence of China
Truly final nail in the coffin of once vast empire


William Jardine was born in 1784 in the Scottish lowlands[12] and graduated from Edinburgh University with a degree in medicine. In 1803, at the age of 19, he became a surgeon on the ships of the British East India Company working the trading routes between London, China and India; a position he held for the next 14 years. As a senior ship's officer, Jardine was allocated an amount of cargo space equal to two chests which he could use to conduct his own business. Using this space, the doctor soon discovered that trading opium was more profitable than practising medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jardine,_Matheson_&_Co.
 

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You seem to forget that the transparency and accountability that Singaporeans are now demanding from their government are based upon the Westminster model of separation of powers.

The Brits have done more good than harm.


Deng also said Mao did more good than harm
True or false is entirely besides the point
Which is unexamined life is not worth living
Said Plato Greek philosopher and teacher

Westminster model is only one of several forms
Of democratic government by the People
All started with Athens and Rome before Caesar
But only for some fortunate wealthy souls

Disunited Kingdom never had written Constitution
Relied on conventions in muddle headed way
Written law above other laws is American invention
Dead set against taxation without representation

French would not consider their system Westminster
Their Revolution was event that truly brought
Power to the masses in that peninsula of Asian mass
Called the West but depends where you stand
 

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A land where the men wear skirts will never vote for independence........it's all a load of B.S.

Every now and then its Scottish parliament will scream the same rhetoric.....and get concessions.
 

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What S’pore can learn from Scotland’s referendum

http://www.todayonline.com/print/806246

Today, 18 September 2014, Scotland will hold a referendum on independence from the rest of the United Kingdom.

A year ago, the pro-independence Yes campaign was lagging behind. This has since narrowed to a dead heat, with a Yes majority being a very real possibility.

British Prime Minister David Cameron, Leader of the opposition Ed Miliband and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg have vigorously campaigned in a cross-party effort to keep the UK together.

Even the Prime Minister’s Questions (PMQs) session, an important part of UK political culture, has been affected — Mr Cameron and Mr Miliband have skipped PMQs to campaign in Scotland.

Scottish independence would have deep implications for Scotland and the rest of the UK.

For some time, the UK’s international standing has surpassed its tangible military and economic reach. Through a combination of international partnerships, cultural soft power and afterglow from the post-Empire and Cold War years, the UK has been able to punch above its weight.

This stature will be much diminished if Scotland separates, the sum of sundered parts adding up to less than what was whole. The UK-America trans-Atlantic relationship will be affected as well.

Separation would be traumatic. Custody of natural resources and strategic assets could be disputed for many years.

An independent Scotland’s fiscal and defence situation would pose problems on both sides of the border. For instance, what would become of the submarine-based Trident, the UK’s strategic nuclear deterrent, which is based in Scotland? The choice of Scotland’s currency would also have implications for investments there and London’s status as a financial centre could also be hurt.

But independence can bring opportunity, too. Self-government would help the Scottish people’s policy preferences find clearer expression, without the overriding influence of the wider UK.

Small countries have started with even less and succeeded amid stiffer odds — as Singapore did, despite independence being thrust upon us in 1965.

A CLOSE CALL

Whatever the merits, why would so many in Scotland countenance the drastic step of independence? Each voter will have his or her own views and sentiments, each campaign its issues, but broader themes emerge, too.

The referendum question, “Should Scotland be an independent country?”, is loaded language. The word “independence” carries a positive connotation, but it leaves aside complexities of “how” and “what happens next”. In this context, a simple word such as “yes” adds momentum, due to its subconscious psychological cachet. Even the pro-unity campaigners have recognised this — hence their use of catchy slogans such as BetterTogether.

Scotland’s referendum will not have compulsory voting. This introduces an additional hurdle for campaigners. When voting is optional, it is not enough to win support — one’s supporters must find motivation and the will to show up at the ballot box.

Voters with strong views and deep-seated feelings are more likely to turn up. In a close contest under such conditions, emotion can overrule reason — the angry vote against a bitter yesterday, the passionate vote of beliefs made manifest or the inspired vote in the hope of a better tomorrow.

Identity also plays a key role, especially when it fuels emotions. The separate Scottish identity has deep-seated origins, but more could have been done by successive UK governments to minimise divisiveness.

LESSONS FOR SINGAPORE

Although the country is halfway around the world, Scotland’s experience has relevance for Singapore.

By playing to strong emotions, hot-button issues and identity, it is possible for an astute political competitor to whittle down a significant incumbent lead over a few months. The pro-unity campaign in Scotland enjoyed a 60-40 lead barely a year ago. Analysts are now seriously considering the possibility of a loss.

In Scotland, the pro-unity platform, citing track records, policy logic and long-term thinking, has found limited traction. Successful campaigns will be those able to connect with emotion as well as reason: Inspiring people to give of their best, while feeling deeply the gravity of what is at stake.

In a political campaign, the crafting of words is crucial, whatever the language. Words have cadence and rhythm. They carry the weight of context and history. Language frames a discussion for speakers, respondents and observers, for better or for worse.

Identity matters, too — how people see themselves and the lenses through which they see others. Communal and ideological forces have not gone away in the era of globalisation.

It will be more important for public- and private-sector leaders to engage individuals with diverse identities, while drawing together to find common ground and higher purpose.

Amid diversity, our Singaporean society must remain inclusive. Each of us has a unique identity: Who we are, what we do, how we became ourselves. But whatever our race, language, religion, gender, sexual orientation, ability, personal beliefs or socio-economic station in life, we must still see ourselves as Singaporeans in shared humanity.

We are too small a country for individuals to declare themselves islands and be set apart from the rest of society.:eek::eek: We can be great enough a nation to accommodate diversity while having a shared purpose.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

Tan Wu Meng is a medical doctor working in one of Singapore’s public sector hospitals. He writes in a personal capacity.
 

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Re: What S’pore can learn from Scotland’s referendum

Lesson learnt-?

Answer: it is possible to vote out the massive PAP ...
 

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Johor should declare independent and become a Republic. It is too similar to Singapore.
 

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http://whotv.com/2014/09/17/last-day-of-campaigning-before-scottish-independence-vote/


Last Day of Campaigning Before Scottish Independence Vote
Posted 6:16 am, September 17, 2014, by CNN, Updated at 06:48am, September 17, 2014

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EDINBURGH, Scotland — Politicians are making their final pleas to Scottish voters Wednesday, the last day of campaigning before they head to the polls to vote on independence.

Opinion polls put the two sides neck-and-neck ahead of Thursday’s historic referendum, which could see Scotland split from the United Kingdom.

The latest poll of polls, released Wednesday by ScotCen, an independent research center, shows “no” at 51% and “yes” at 49%, with “don’t know” voters excluded. It is consistent with results over the past week or so, which have indicated the race is too close to call.

Polls suggest around 8% of voters remain undecided, making their votes crucial to deciding the outcome of the referendum.

The leader of the pro-independence “Yes Scotland” campaign, Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond, wrote an open letter to Scottish voters Wednesday.

Salmond: Decide with ‘clear head’

In it, he urged them to look past what he called the “increasingly desperate and absurd scare stories” of the pro-union “no” campaign, and think of Scotland’s future in their hands.

“For my part, I ask only this,” he writes. “Make this decision with a clear head and a clear conscience.

“Know that by voting ‘Yes’, what we take into our hands is a responsibility like no other — the responsibility to work together to make Scotland the nation it can be.”

In a rare show of unity, the leaders of the UK’s three main political parties penned a vow on Tuesday — published on the front page of the Scottish Daily Record newspaper — to transfer more powers to Scotland if it rejects independence in Thursday’s vote.

The issue of spending on social welfare and health care, through the National Health Service, has been central to campaigning. Questions over the economy, North Sea oil reserves and taxation have also been key.

Each side has argued that it is the best equipped to create more jobs for Scotland.

John Major: Scottish people ‘fed a load of pap’

As the vote nears, emotions are running high on both sides of the divide.

There were chaotic scenes as Labour Party leader Ed Miliband met with members of the public on Tuesday, forcing him to cut short a meet and greet.

Prime Minister David Cameron pleaded on a visit to Aberdeen this week for Scotland to stay in the union. If they leave there will be no return, he warned, saying, “This is a once-and-for-all decision.”

Cameron will face tough questions over the effectiveness of the pro-union “Better Together” campaign if Scotland opts to leave, with critics accusing the main parties in Westminster of complacency over the vote. They have also questioned the promise of more powers for Scotland if it stays, warning that England and Wales should not lose out.

In an interview with the Times of London on Wednesday, Cameron defended the way the referendum has been handled by his Conservative-led coalition government.

He said he had been right to offer only the option of independence or continued union on the ballot paper, rather than including a third option of further devolved powers for Scotland.

He suggested that Scottish independence might actually be closer today if he had said no to a vote, rather than offering a “proper, legal, fair and decisive referendum.”

Former Prime Minister John Major also made an impassioned plea for Scotland to stay in the United Kingdom Tuesday, telling CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that the Scottish people have been hoodwinked.

“The Scottish nation have frankly, and I don’t say this lightly, have been fed a load of pap by the Scottish nationalists in the belief that everything will be alright on the night,” he said.

“Well it won’t. There are very serious problems that Scotland will face if they go down this route.”

Largest ever electorate

Many questions remain unanswered about what will happen if Scotland votes to go it alone, including its future membership in the European Union and NATO and over the United Kingdom’s future defense capabilities.

In an open letter published in UK tabloid The Sun on Wednesday, 14 former UK defense chiefs warned against breaking up the union.

“At risk is the most successful alliance in history and one which has seen men and women from all parts of the country play their part in securing the liberties we now enjoy,” they wrote.

“The division of the UK may or may not be politically or economically sensible, but in military terms we are clear: it will weaken us all.”

The Scottish National Party, headed by Salmond, has said it wants to remove the UK nuclear submarine fleet from Scottish waters as soon as possible.

More than 4.2 million people have registered to vote, the largest electorate ever in Scotland.

Any registered voter aged 16 or over who is a resident in Scotland is entitled to cast a ballot. Voters do not have to be British citizens; Commonwealth, Irish and EU citizens who live in Scotland and are registered to vote there can do so.

They will be asked the yes/no question: Should Scotland be an independent country?

If Scotland decides to leave the United Kingdom, it leaves behind England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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http://gulfnews.com/news/world/scotland-referendum-decision-day-1.1386592



Scotland referendum: Decision day

4.3 million people in Scotland will today decide the future of their ties with the rest of Britain that have been in place since 1707. Whichever way the Scots vote, Britain will never be the same again.

Mick O’Reilly, Senior Associate Editor
live coveragePublished: 11:30 September 18, 2014

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Pro and anti-independence supporters wave posters outside a campaign event in favour of the union in Clydebank, Scotland, September 16, 2014.

After years of planning, months of campaign, weeks of debates and days of reckoning, the hours of destiny are upon Scotland. Polls opened across Scotland at 7am local time to overcast skies here.

According to officials, 4,285,323 Scots aged 16 upwards have registered to vote. That's 97 per cent of the full number of Scot who could do so. And turnout is expected to exceed 80 per cent.

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Scots are being asked to answer 'yes' or 'no' to the question: Should Scotland be an independent country. A simple majority 'yes' would end the 307-year old union between Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

It would also set the stage for unprecedented change and 18 months of tough negotiations between Edinburgh and London. Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond wants independence to take effect on March 26, 2016.

A simple majority 'no' would also bring change, Westminster says, promising more tax and spend powers for the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh.
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The three main political parties in the UK, however, have been unable to agree on the exact nature of those devolved powers.

Prime Minister David Cameron has made two trips north to Scotland in five days in a last-ditch appeal to keep the UK together.

Now, Scots are making up their minds at 5,600 polling booths.

Polling closes at 22:00 local time, and Scotland's election officials say that deadline could be extended if there are still Scots waiting to vote.

Already 789,042 Scots have opted to vote in advance, using postal ballots.

Huge day for Scotland today! no campaign negativity last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the outcome. lets do this!— Andy Murray (@andy_murray) September 18, 2014
 

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If votes don't work they can always use WAR.

That is STANDARD WAY since day one and need not be stupid to blindly follow civilized rules. Fuck the rules.
 

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We can be great enough a nation to accommodate diversity while having a shared purpose.

Shared purpose. More of the pro-establishment 'let's embrace the social compact with the PAP govt' claptrap. :rolleyes:

Yeah, accomodate diversity. Bring on the Population White Paper, Yang Yin, Anoop Shankar and violent ang mohs. :rolleyes:
 

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WP portions of SG can vote to be independent. As with Scotland, it would then form its own defence force with the need for NS.
 

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Re: What S’pore can learn from Scotland’s referendum

The lesson is called migration.

If the ref vote is YES, my fellow investors will create property exchange to help those
who wish to go back exchange properties with those who wish to get out of Scotland.
 

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The lesson is called migration.

If the ref vote is YES, my fellow investors will create property exchange to help those
who wish to go back exchange properties with those who wish to get out of Scotland.

Agree. With 20,000 new citizenships given freely here, this country is going down the gutter !:mad:
 

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Drawing parallels between Singapore and Scotland is laughable.

Singapore (or rather LKY) made the decision to split from the Federation in 1965. There will be no going back unless Malaysia takes us back by force.
More accurately , I know it was an expulsion by Tunku Abdul Rahman but ultimately LKY had no choice in the matter.

Scotland's choice is a democratic one by its people and not Westminister.
 
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Drawing parallels between Singapore and Scotland is laughable.

Singapore (or rather LKY) made the decision to split from the Federation in 1965. There will be no going back unless Malaysia takes us back by force.

Agree. Singapore needs the large hinterland.:(
 
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