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WONDERFUL! UK is breaking up to collapse!! Next to be USA!

neddy

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

1. Everyone talks about change but when the moment of truth arrives, testicles recede into the abdominal lining.

2. When push comes to shove, everyone picks the devil you know.

3. Nations arent created overnight...by one random act of rebellion.

Think about it and let the flaming begin! :smile:


It teaches us that

1. Only the capital city of Scotland want change. They voted YES majority. But the city has the lowest voter turnout.

2. Scots realise that they are dependant on England for welfare and other goodies.

3. The nationalists are just trying to get more power from England, they never wanted independence.

4. There is an informal vote in London that agrees that the Rest of the UK will be better off without Scotland. So Scotland blinked! :biggrin:

Germany watch out, The Free State of Bavaria may not be so kind.

As for Singapore, the people got NO say one.
 
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laksaboy

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

It teaches us that

1. Only the capital city of Scotland want change. But the city has the lowest voter turnout.


Indeed. Sir Alex Ferguson was raised in Glasgow, and he admits to being left-wing and pro-independence, influenced by the city.
 

neddy

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Indeed. Sir Alex Ferguson was raised in Glasgow, and he admits to being left-wing and pro-independence, influenced by the city.

Not surprised. They can't speak English properly in Glasgow.
 

yinyang

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

1. Only the capital city of Scotland want change. They voted YES majority. But the city has the lowest voter turnout..
Isn't Edinburgh capital (not Glasgow)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh

Not unexpected, Glaswegians as with few exceptions voted aye. Extract of results comparison:

Edinburgh 378,012
YES 38.90% NO 61.10%

Glasgow 486,219
YES 53.49% NO 46.51%
 

Leongsam

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

People are trying to determine their own density. If you don't know anything about this don't pour cold water on them.

Voting in a national referendum does not change ones destiny.

If you want to determine what course your life takes, you have to make personal choices to charter your own path.
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

1. Everyone talks about change but when the moment of truth arrives, testicles recede into the abdominal lining.

2. When push comes to shove, everyone picks the devil you know.

3. Nations arent created overnight...by one random act of rebellion.

Think about it and let the flaming begin! :smile:



bro..........electoral fraud lah...........
 

kingrant

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Fuck LKY! If not for him, we would not have been kicked out of malaysia, and now we would have a chance to vote for a referendum to be independent like Scotland.

Seriously, could Scotland have been fed up with the inept UK govt in allowing massive invasion of foreigners into the UK? A free Scotland can then corral themselves up and allow only real talents in to make Scotland a much better place to live in than UK.
 

singveld

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Re: A new Scotland, the 'Singapore' of Europe?

too many chicken in Scotland.
it is simple, money talks, most people want stability.
 

singveld

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

the polls was accurate for two years. Except one poll which is wrong.
 

OverTheCounter

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Voting in a national referendum does not change ones destiny.

If you want to determine what course your life takes, you have to make personal choices to charter your own path.


I am talking about national self determination. Different from personal self determination.
 

OverTheCounter

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Fuck LKY! If not for him, we would not have been kicked out of malaysia, and now we would have a chance to vote for a referendum to be independent like Scotland.

Seriously, could Scotland have been fed up with the inept UK govt in allowing massive invasion of foreigners into the UK? A free Scotland can then corral themselves up and allow only real talents in to make Scotland a much better place to live in than UK.


Same thoughts here. If I were a scot I would also be fed up with the UK govt complicity in allowing foreigners to ride roughshod over locals. The issues however are quite a bit larger than that.
 

Leongsam

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Edinburgh has beautiful castles, countryside and universities.

Glasgow has hooligans and prostitutes. The hub of Scottish pussies. :biggrin:

Glasgow is full of losers. The reason why the majority voted yes is because they all harbored the notion that an independent Scotland would move further to the left and they'd get more welfare for doing bugger all.
 

Cerebral

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U are absolutely right. The decision to separate from malaya was not his to make. there should have been a referendum, just like the Scots decision to separate from the UK. At the most he consulted only a handful of people for a decision that impacted millions of people. As a lawyer, he should have known that a referendum was the one legal lawful way to go. As a dictator, he knew he could not have a referendum. Most sinkies at that time would have voted to stay in the Malayan union and he would be out of a job. Other things that should have gone to a referendum was the 6.9 million population white paper, and the enhanced powers of the presidency.

I think we were forced to leave Malaya...

Retorting Jrhomles, Scottish referendum has caused UK to sit up and make concessions. Regardless of whether Yes or No vote, they have gotten the independence they wanted. David Cameron had to promise a lot, which will eventually benefit beyond the Scots. The changes will have to include Wales, Northern Ireland and eventually the Brits too
 

mojito

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

Isn't Edinburgh capital (not Glasgow)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh

Not unexpected, Glaswegians as with few exceptions voted aye. Extract of results comparison:

Edinburgh 378,012
YES 38.90% NO 61.10%

Glasgow 486,219
YES 53.49% NO 46.51%

You called these "cities"? Haahaa... So small! Smaller than Ang Mo Kio GRC! Scotland must be some insignificant little place with no culture!
 

Cerebral

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It teaches us that

1. Only the capital city of Scotland want change. They voted YES majority. But the city has the lowest voter turnout.

2. Scots realise that they are dependant on England for welfare and other goodies.

3. The nationalists are just trying to get more power from England, they never wanted independence.

4. There is an informal vote in London that agrees that the Rest of the UK will be better off without Scotland. So Scotland blinked! :biggrin:

Germany watch out, The Free State of Bavaria may not be so kind.

As for Singapore, the people got NO say one.

Scotland has a lot of oil..... you sure London is willing to lose it?
 

rushifa666

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

This is the best example of false advertising. Their brand of independent Scotland is to keep the pound, be slave to the EU, cutting off UK and perhaps lose a lot of welfare money. Campaigning on a false premise
 

OverTheCounter

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Re: What scotlands No vote teaches us.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/upshot/scotland-independence-vote.html


When you get past the details of the Scottish independence referendum Thursday, there is a broader story underway, one that is also playing out in other advanced nations.

It is a crisis of the elites. Scotland’s push for independence is driven by a conviction — one not ungrounded in reality — that the British ruling class has blundered through the last couple of decades. The same discontent applies to varying degrees in the United States and, especially, the eurozone. It is, in many ways, a defining feature of our time.

The rise of Catalan would-be secessionists in Spain, the rise of parties of the far right in European countries as diverse as Greece and Sweden, and the Tea Party in the United States are all rooted in a sense that, having been granted vast control over the levers of power, the political elite across the advanced world have made a mess of things.

The details of Scotland’s grievances are almost the diametrical opposite of those of, say, the Tea Party or Swedish right-wingers. They want more social welfare spending rather than less, and have a strongly pro-green, antinuclear environmental streak. (Scotland’s threatened secession is less the equivalent of Texas pulling out of the United States, in that sense, than of Massachusetts or Oregon doing the same.) But there are always people who have disagreements with the direction of policy in their nation; the whole point of a state is to have an apparatus that channels disparate preferences into one sound set of policy choices.

Video | Scotland: Should I Stay or Should I Go? In the week ahead of a historic referendum on Scottish independence, campaigners from both sides took to the streets to sway the vote, which could break a three-century-old union.
What distinguishes the current moment is that discontent with the way things have been going is so high as to test many people's tolerance for the governing institutions as they currently exist.

The details are, of course, different in each country.

In the case of Britain, a Labor government led by a Scottish prime minister (Gordon Brown) and his Scottish finance minister (Alistair Darling) supported the financialization of the British economy, with the rise of global mega-banks in an increasingly cosmopolitan London as the center of the economic strategy.

Then, in 2008, the banks nearly collapsed and were bailed out, and the British economy hasn’t been the same. Their failures ushered in a conservative government in 2010 that is even less aligned with the Scots’ preferred policies, bringing an age of austerity when the Scots would prefer to widen the social safety net.

In the United States, we watched a bipartisan push toward financial deregulation in the 1990s and 2000s lay the groundwork for the 2008 crisis. The inability of the Bush or Obama administration to contain the damage (and indeed to fight it with financial bailouts) ushered in a Tea Party in 2010 elections that is beyond the control of elder statesmen of the Republican Party.

It is in continental Europe that the consequences of bungling by mainstream elites are perhaps the most damaging. The decades-long march toward a united continent, led by the parties of the center-right and center-left, created a Western Europe in which there was a single currency and monetary authority but without the political, fiscal and banking union that would make it possible for imbalances between those countries to work themselves out without the benefit of currency fluctuations. When it all came to a head from 2008 to 2012, national leaders were sufficiently alarmed by the risks of budget deficits that they responded by cutting spending and raising taxes.

As such, the imbalances that built up over the years in Europe are now working themselves out through astronomical unemployment and falling wages in countries including Spain and Greece. Even the northern European economies, including Germany, are experiencing little or no growth. As Paul Krugman noted this week, while the Great Depression of the 1930s was a sharper contraction in economic activity initially, the European economy is performing worse six years after the 2008 crisis than it was at the comparable point in the 1930s.

The details of the policy mistakes are different, as are the political movements that have arisen in protest. But together they are a reminder that no matter how entrenched our government institutions may seem, they rest on a bedrock assumption: that the leaders entrusted with power will deliver the goods.

Power is not a right; it is a responsibility. The choice that the Scots are making on Thursday is about whether the men and women who rule Britain messed things up so badly that they would rather go it alone. And so the results will ripple through world capitals from Athens to Washington: People don’t think the way things are going is good enough, and voters are getting angry enough to want to do something about it.
 
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