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SDP - Holland-Bt Timah GRC Walkabout - Sunday (tomorrow morning) - 31 Aug 2014
- Thread starter Cosmos10
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Pappy Tan The Temasek Review
The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.
Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.
This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.
The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.
Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.
Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.
What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.
Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.
Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.
SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.
It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.
Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.
SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?
It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.
Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.
I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.
No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies.
No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.
Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.
This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.
The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.
Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.
Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.
What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.
Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.
Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.
SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.
It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.
Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.
SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?
It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.
Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.
I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.
No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies.
No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
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Is there a silent feud between ah chin and the abc desperate housewife lamei? she isn't in the picture. if u notice carefully, either u see ah chin or u see lamei (who is quite rare now) but very seldom together.
would the sdp minions be activated to flame me? the good o' days of flaming and bazookaing
A leopard will never change its spots,,,but from the Ponggol BE,,,i hope singkies are smarter will not fall for such a ruse,,,if SDP wants to go head to head with WP,,etc,,,it might actually help WP to win,,,
Definitely, the SDP is now prepared to shake hands and have photo ops with the PAP, a distance from the past where only loudhailers were used, as some has pointed out.
They have also been prepared to say like: "The SDP welcomes the Government's move to", "The SDP reiterates our support for the Government's move to", "The govt has done the right thing", "The SDP welcomes the policy change".
This is what WP / SPP has been saying all along. If the government is doing something right, acknowledge it. Instead, SDP's leaders, members and supporters came in with insulting insinuations for a decade along the lines of WP being rebooted by PAP, until 2011 when it decided to adopt WP's approach.
This seems more like political expediency and hypocrisy than any real change by SDP under CSJ. A case in point is the SDP's links to liberal parties internationally including the UK's Liberal Democratic Party (LDP). After the May 2010 UK general election the LDP had a choice of going into coalition with its natural ideological ally the Labour Party or the party that had the most seats coming out of that election, i.e., the Conservatives. The LDP chose the Conservatives simply because a coalition with Labour would have been unstable due to the wafer-think parliamentary majority and would require the support of a few other minor parties. Despite the LDP's choice, SDP did not have anything critical to say about the LDP going into bed with the Conservatives. On the contrary, SDP assistant sec-gen John Tan in fact went to the UK to attend the LDP's autumn party conference in 2010 just months after the UK coalition government was formed. This was a clear-cut instance of a liberal party going into coalition with a right-wing party, and the SDP seemed fine with it. Yet diehard supporters of the SDP have gone online to vigorously attack WP for any suggestion that at some point in future it might be in coalition with the PAP. It seems that SDP gets a free pass for a whole raft of contradictory and hypocritical policies.
And it also seems that going on nice overseas junkets to attend conferences appears to be a clear attraction for some within SDP.
I see nothing new.
I see SDP has abandoned the new things of old, and falling back on well tested strategies.
Good, but please don't undermine other oppo parties.
Hi bro liongsum, I have not read many of your posts before, so I admit I do not really "know" you well.
Anyway, I respect your opinion and I thank you for participating and posting your comment in this thread
However, to be fair to me, I would appreciate it very much if you could kindly point out to me when, where and how have I undermined other oppo parties in this thread?
As far as I know, I did not mention anything about any other oppo party in this thread. Thanks and cheers!
Hi bro liongsum, I have not read many of your posts before, so I admit I do not really "know" you well.
Anyway, I respect your opinion and I thank you for participating and posting your comment in this thread
However, to be fair to me, I would appreciate it very much if you could kindly point out to me when, where and how have I undermined other oppo parties in this thread?
As far as I know, I did not mention anything about any other oppo party in this thread. Thanks and cheers!
Hello brother, not in this thread, not the past. It's the future. I'm hoping it won't happen in the future.
Honestly, brother @liongsum , I think your concern is totally unwarranted.
I simply cannot understand why you find it necessary to advise me on something that I have no intention of doing at all, now or in the future.
I am only concerned to help promote the good work (in my opinion) that the SDP has done, and will be doing in the future.
I am a busy person and I do have a life outside of this SBF community. I have no time, no energy, and no motivation to undermine other oppo parties at all.
I think your advice would be better targeted (in my opinion) at the other four forum brothers who have commented in this thread, namely @PoliticalDialogue, @SDPhopelessParty, @tanwahp, and @The_Hypocrite.
Have a nice weekend! Thanks and cheers
Not sure where I have undermined opposition but I certainly stated facts and am also questioned on why I gave the SDP too much credit. I have been hearing people say "my opinion" but if the opinion is not factually sound, it is not an opinion but an untruth.
Honestly, brother @liongsum , I think your concern is totally unwarranted.
I simply cannot understand why you find it necessary to advise me on something that I have no intention of doing at all, now or in the future.
I am only concerned to help promote the good work (in my opinion) that the SDP has done, and will be doing in the future.
I am a busy person and I do have a life outside of this SBF community. I have no time, no energy, and no motivation to undermine other oppo parties at all.
I think your advice would be better targeted (in my opinion) at the other four forum brothers who have commented in this thread, namely @PoliticalDialogue, @SDPhopelessParty, @tanwahp, and @The_Hypocrite.
Have a nice weekend! Thanks and cheers
Cosmos is saying be positive and do your own work. Do not have to worry about what others are doing. Unless of course you feel threatened by it.
Opposition supporters should not undermine each others' parties, once that kind of thing starts, be prepared to let PAP rule forever.
I have been keeping quiet about your often snide remarks on other parties. Other than WP you hardly have anything good to say about any one else. I do not know who you are and I do not know why you do the things you do. I certainly hope that with your attitude you are actually just a fanatical supporter of WP and not "a somebody" or "anyone who is of any position in WP". Because with your attitude it reflects badly on WP and turns people off. It certainly does no favours to the party you support.
I have substantial contacts and relatives voting for WP in WP contested wards, do you want me to direct my contacts to read what you have posted over the past months? Think it about it carefully and reflect on whether you ought to offer an apology in this thread.
There is freedom of speech unless you do not respect it and I try to stick to the facts I know. There is also freedom of action, so feel free to show my posts to whoever you desire.
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