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Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for locals

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[h=1]BANKS IN SINGAPORE STILL PREFER FOREIGNERS, ONLY WANT TO 'PRETEND' TO LOOK FOR LOCALS[/h]
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According to an article published on eFinancial careers in April, before the new Fair Consideration Framework kicked in, banks in Singapore are actually not that interested to hire locals.

In fact, many HR managers at a roundtable held in April felt that the new regulations were going to make it unnecessarily hard on them to hire foreigners.

Interestingly, none of the attendants at the roundtable discussion wanted to be named but most of them expressed that they were frustrated with the new FCF.

Many of the HR personnel explained that they would need to show more proof to MOM that they need the foreigner. None of them seemed to say that they would prefer to hire Singaporeans.

Instead, most felt that it was normal to hire many foreigners and they felt the government was just making it harder on their HR department. Read the full article here:

What banks in Singapore really think about hiring more Singaporean bankers

Banks in Singapore are now being forced to provide water-tight justifications and carry out onerous due diligence for every foreign candidate they want to hire, ahead of a new law encouraging them to recruit more locals.

Singapore’s Fair Consideration Framework (FCF), which comes into force on 1 August, requires companies who want to apply for an Employment Pass (work visa for a foreigner) to first advertise the vacancy to Singaporeans on a new government-run online “Jobs Bank” for at least 14 days. Roles paying more than S$144k (US$115k) a year and employers with 25 or fewer staff are exempt.

MORE REJECTIONS

Banks in Singapore have already noticed an increase this year in the amount of Employment Pass (EP) applications being rejected by the city state’s Ministry of Manpower (MoM), according to the 14 senior HR professionals from local and international financial institutions who attended a recent eFinancialCareers roundtable discussion. The Monetary Authority of Singapore, the country’s financial regulator, is also putting pressure on banks to implement the FCF.

Most commonly, EPs are being turned down for more junior applicants whose annual base salaries are below the S$98k threshold needed to obtain an elite “P1-level” pass – the work visa given to most white-collar professionals. “In a couple of recent instances, we’ve been forced to increase the candidate’s pay in order to get them an EP, because below the threshold MoM is less likely to think that their skills are needed in Singapore,” said one of the roundtable delegates, all of whom asked not to be named in this report.

In some cases, however, even P1 applications aren’t being approved – a sign, say roundtable attendees, that the spirit of the FCF is taking affect even before its rules officially become law. “It’s happened to us this year,” said a delegate from an Asia Pacific bank. “We are now appealing – MoM wants us to provide more evidence that we’ve been looking locally for the candidate and really couldn’t find someone.”

MORE WORK FOR HR

While Singapore’s skilled-immigration regime remains liberal and efficient by world standards, the due-diligence work required by HR for each new employment pass is becoming more onerous. “We will all be closely monitoring foreign hires and providing firm justifications to the MoM,” said an HR person from a US investment bank at the Singapore roundtable. “We now have to make sure that locals are in contention for each job; that they’re on the list,” said a representative from a European bank.

An attendee from another American bank added: “The rules are about forcing employers to make decisions – if it’s easier to hire a local, is it really even worth the pain of trying to move someone from overseas?”

Under the FCF, The Ministry of Manpower and other government agencies will review the hiring and career-development practices of employers with a disproportionately low concentration of Singaporeans in professional, managerial and executive roles. Banks are therefore encouraging staff who currently have employment passes to apply for permanent residency and thus not be counted as foreign staff. But roundtable delegates said that obtaining PR status was also becoming more difficult.

The attendees expressed concerns about how the government’s Jobs Bank, administered by theSingapore Workforce Development Agency, will work in practice. Slated for launch by the “middle of this year”, according to the WDA, HR teams have yet to be told how advertising on it will integrate into their in-house IT recruitment systems, such as Taleo and PeopleSoft.

Where It’s Hard To Hire Locals

Despite the rising administrative burden created by the FCF, banks in Singapore will still be hiring foreign candidates this year. “Singapore has comparatively high economic growth, low unemployment and a small population for a big financial centre, so fundamentally the local skill-shortage problem will never be entirely solved,” said a delegate from a global corporate bank. “But the FCF at least makes employers follow good practice by not deliberately overlooking locals.”




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Roundtable attendees pointed to a continued need to import talent for finance-tech roles. “In IT, we need business analysts and project managers and it’s challenging to find them locally,” said an HR person from an Asian bank. “We’ve just hired two people in cyber-technology risk and they were both from the US – it’s a niche role,” added his counterpart at a US firm.

As we’ve reported in the past month, banks also hire from overseas for internal audit and compliancejobs. “About 40% of our applicants still come from abroad,” said a delegate from a US investment firm. “While they are increasingly concerned about the cost of living in Singapore, it’s still a popular destination, and bankers with children prefer Singapore over Hong Kong.”

WAIT AND SEE ABOUT THE FCF

Roundtable attendees said it would take at least six months from the August launch of the FCF to assess its affect on bolstering the recruitment of Singaporean candidates. “We will then have some empirical evidence. If there is evidence of genuine skill shortages in certain job functions, the government may make adjustments to the FCF I think,” said an HR person from a US bank.

Singaporeans based overseas, as we reported in March, are already reaping the rewards of the FCF – they are in demand back home because they bring international experience but don’t require work visas. “They are are pure gold for us, but the pool of candidates is very small,” said a delegate from an Asia Pacific bank.
http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/169559/what-banks-in-singapore-r...
 

Romagnum

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

If you go to the website, Citibank has more than 200 vacancies.

Once the vacancies are up for the required period, it's back to business as usual.

Fair meh?
 

The_Hypocrite

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

One thing this article states is..its the gahmen tat will make them comply. By just rejecting the ep n pr applications the banks also lan lan. Why the gahmen never do it in the 1st place?
 

mojito

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

Why work for banks? People should be starting banks instead.
 

eErotica69

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

I think the only local bank that has minimal FT is UOB, including the Management.

OCBC and DBS have a few at the top, but below that, most are Singaporeans.
 

Hans168

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dun want to hire sgian, then dun do biz in sg............ want the cream off but not help look after sgian needs?
what a bunch of motherfuckers most of these HR directors are FTs interested in taking bribes to hire own kind or pinoy or ah neh......
fucki off from her uncaring elit moled face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name these banks so that they can lick the consequence of their discrimination. This is abt the only place on earth that citizens are discriminated against!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Fuck PAPigs
 

Hans168

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

Someone should have a look at citi office. I'm surprised that they are still within the foreigner cap.

govt paying lip service......... are FTs paying PAPigs salary??
 

Hans168

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

I think the only local bank that has minimal FT is UOB, including the Management.

OCBC and DBS have a few at the top, but below that, most are Singaporeans.

DBS boss is Gupta ah neh......OCBC Samuel ?? a hongkie[ rest is history like Vikram Padit who brought in thousands of shitskins into Citibank worldwide & they are still ard after Vikram got kicked out
 

Hans168

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

One thing this article states is..its the gahmen tat will make them comply. By just rejecting the ep n pr applications the banks also lan lan. Why the gahmen never do it in the 1st place?

Clearly govt playing game with us.... there was NO mention of this hot button issue in the NDR.. NOT urgent or govt has other agenda???
 

laksaboy

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

If you go to the website, Citibank has more than 200 vacancies.

Once the vacancies are up for the required period, it's back to business as usual.

Fair meh?

If you hang around the Marina Bay Financial Centre, where many of the bank offices are, you would think that you're in India.

Try it, go there on a weekday afternoon around lunchtime and see for yourself. :cool:
 

laksaboy

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

Until there's a strict quota on the number of foreigners employed at every company, and a stricter restriction on how many foreigners to let in, no amount of wayang from the MOM (Fair Consideration Framework, Jobs Bank site) is going to make a difference.
 

krafty

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

UOB is the best...

i noticed their supporters are mainly old sinkies whereas the young ones will go for angmo banks, ang mo is the best too!:o

I think the only local bank that has minimal FT is UOB, including the Management.

OCBC and DBS have a few at the top, but below that, most are Singaporeans.
 

laksaboy

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

I think the only local bank that has minimal FT is UOB, including the Management.

OCBC and DBS have a few at the top, but below that, most are Singaporeans.

Those are small time retail banks. Try the more posh banks (Citibank, Stanchart, HSBC) and the corporate banks (e.g. Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse). Too many foreigners.

Again, this is another nonsense that had started when Lee Hsien Loong became the PM and liberalized the banking industry. It's also around the same time when interest rates fell to encourage more borrowing/lending.

Nothing happens by accident. :wink:
 

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

Those are small time retail banks. Try the more posh banks (Citibank, Stanchart, HSBC) and the corporate banks (e.g. Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse). Too many foreigners.

Again, this is another nonsense that had started when Lee Hsien Loong became the PM and liberalized the banking industry. It's also around the same time when interest rates fell to encourage more borrowing/lending.

Nothing happens by accident. :wink:

These banks are the first to run at the sight of any trouble.
 

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Re: Banks in singapore still prefer foreigners, only want to 'pretend' to look for lo

Until there's a strict quota on the number of foreigners employed at every company, and a stricter restriction on how many foreigners to let in, no amount of wayang from the MOM (Fair Consideration Framework, Jobs Bank site) is going to make a difference.

Make the cost of hiring a foreigner double that of the average cost of hiring a local ...that will reduce employment of foreigners by at least 80 percent.
 

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Make the cost of hiring a foreigner double that of the average cost of hiring a local ...that will reduce employment of foreigners by at least 80 percent.

great suggestion...make the cost o hiring FT ex then sure will reduced...:smile:
 

laksaboy

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Make the cost of hiring a foreigner double that of the average cost of hiring a local ...that will reduce employment of foreigners by at least 80 percent.

Ah, but that won't help to fulfill the Population White Paper. :wink:

You know they're hell bent on making the population target a reality.

I was at an MRT station the other day and there were SMRT employees with white gloves ushering crowds. That was unthinkable back in the mid-2000s.

Until the Sinkies wake up and grow some balls, nothing is going to change. The situation is going to get worse and worse until something ugly breaks out.

The PAP does not factor in social costs in their policies: that in itself is all the reason you need to vote them out. You don't need to be distracted by other issues. They can harp on their track record, economic growth, Pioneer Package etc but those are just noise.
 

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These motherfucker HR directors ought to be sacked
They are reponsible for training but unable or unwilling to train preferring to raid or import!!
Also bribe taking is a factor

HR is basic a parasite in the organisation
 

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Or make it mandatory that HR managers must be Singapore-born citizens or if new citizens have been citizens for not less than 10 years. This is not an uncommon practice in other jurisdictions that have higher dependency on foreign workers. Must also be able to demonstrate that no local is able to fulfil the role - all local applicants must be tracked and then monthly reports submitted to MOM - we have all heard stories of how ah neh and pinoy HR managers will simply dump local CVs - the interview panel must also consist of a senior Singaporean and not the clique of ah nehs and Ang MOHs - will the banks do it? They will have little choice. they play by the rules in the US, UK and Europe but then put on a pseudo-colonial attitude here claiming it hampers their business. Lan chiao lah - where is the transfer of knowledge and skills? If there are no locals in the roles of understudy than of course you will never have any chance of having the "niche" knowledge. Treasury roles are highly sought after because it is literally minting money - very good opportunities to learn and sustain one's relevance in the banking sector - derivative traders and back office staff are very hard to find and the backlog is massive - where are the great opportunities for numerate singkies with all those mathematics Olympiads to get in and do well when all these jobs are being given to Ang MOHs and ah nehs? Banks also should have a whistleblower policy which allows staff to tip off if unfair and discriminatory practices are found - it's a question of will and conviction which singkies tend to lack to save their rice bowls.

Same thing with the event companies in Singapore - notice how there are so many happenings and events - these fly by night companies are all chasing the same small pool - Ang MOHs coming here setting up shop and then organising badly run events before running road with suppliers - last night at Hard Rock Sentosa the main event was a disaster because the guy did not show up at all (Mos Def) - will attendees get their money back for no show?
 
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