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The Great Hoax ...........Israeli Iron Dome & Similar Systems Don't Work

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Noted MIT physicist Theodore Postol headlined his Technology Review article "Why Missile Defense Won't Work."


Each Iron Dome missile costs $400,000, not $20,000 according to some Israeli sources. Raytheon produces it in America.

Hitting and destroying a missile with another one is nearly possible. Claims otherwise are fabricated to maintain funding and deceive populations into believing they're safe. The probability of Iron Dome destroying the rocket warhead is essentially zero.

The same holds for Iron Dome intercepts chasing rockets from behind. Occasional Iron Dome intercept attempts arise in a near-vertical trajectory. That is the only engagement geometry where it has a non-zero chance of destroying the rocket - the artillery rocket warhead.

At least 95% of Iron Dome attempts fail. During the 1991 Gulf War, fabricated Patriot missile defense success was reported as 96% or greater. MIT researchers analyzed the data and called likely Patriot success ZERO.

When Israelis see overhead explosions erroneously called successful intercepts, they're observing Iron Dome's own warhead explosions. If a Hamas rocket is hit, warheads will fall and explode on the ground. Destroying a rocket warhead is a far more demanding mission than damaging other parts of the targeted rocket.

Success depends on approaching the rocket almost directly head-on. Engaging from the side or back has virtually no chance of success. Photos of Iron Dome contrails show most intercept attempts either chase Hamas rockets from behind or the side.

In both such cases, geometry and the speed of the interceptors and rockets make it extremely unlikely the interceptor will destroy the rocket's warhead.

Iron Dome missiles miss because of the uncertainties in the exact crossing speed and geometry of two high-speed missiles, even a perfectly operating Iron Dome fuse may fail to place lethal fragments onto an artillery rocket's warhead.

In addition, unless the distance between the Iron Dome warhead and the warhead of an artillery rocket is small (a meter or so), there will be a greatly diminished chance that a fragment from the Iron Dome warhead will hit, penetrate, and cause the detonation of the artillery-rocket warhead.

Front-on engagements guarantee no success. Their geometry merely indicates that an Iron Dome interceptor has a better-than-zero chance of destroying the target-artillery rocket warhead. Small-sized rockets are even harder to intercept.

When Iron Dome interceptors explode overhead, but contrails showed they crossed the expected rocket trajectory from behind or either side, it can be said with near certainty, that no intercept had occurred.

It is absolutely clear: Iron Dome is performing at best, close to ZERO percent. Hitting a missile with another one is like hitting a bullet with one fired at it.
 

Buayak_sg

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When weapons are concerned always ONLY the Russian are reliable and not as expensive as the western especially compared against the US weapons. MH-17 flight is the best evidence. Tiny cheap missile a single fire down a huge plane. Very effective very economical and very very letheal.
 

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What can NATO aviation do against the the S-300

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I hope this does not happen. However, if they are delivered to Syria, we know how to proceed
- Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon

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Ingenious designers of the family of anti-aircraft S-300 ahead of time for a quarter century – is still “three hundredth” guardian of heaven is the most advanced anti-aircraft missile system in the world, which bows down before all NATO combat aircraft.

Time has proved the correctness inherent in the C-300 technical solutions: the construction of the complex was perfect, from the point of view of actual combat conditions. Our scientists have guessed the first place missiles in TPK (transport and launch container) – sealed “cans” in which the ammunition (anti-aircraft missile launch + gas generator) can be stored for decades, ready to start at any moment. “The key is to start” – and the rocket leaves the WPK, carried away upwards, towards his imminent death, a minute later it will become a blinding flash of light and disappeared from radar screens with enemy aircraft.
Second ingenious “trick” from the creators of the C-300 – Vertical start: anti-aircraft missile itself takes place in the air and falls on the combat course. Such a scheme allows you to place the launcher on any suitable “patch” in the folds of the landscape between the buildings in the narrow gorges and ravines, protected from the effects of shock waves of enemy weapons. In contrast, the C-300, an American anti-aircraft missile system “Patriot” have to waste precious time, turning the heavy launcher in the direction of the target. Because of the oblique launch, “Patriot” needs space and open space – launcher prevent closely spaced houses, hills and trees.

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The creators of the C-300 was originally working for the future, taking into account advances in remedies against air defense systems. It’s no secret that the signals emitted by the radar with lateral branches – “petals”. In the modern electronic warfare enemy is always trying to catch the “side lobes” of the main radio beam, thereby recognizing the frequency and mode of the radar. With this information, there was nothing worth “score” radar interference in the desired wavelength range.

The creators of the C-300 provided this threat – “side lobes” beam-300 are kept to a minimum, which is extremely complicated work on the detection and classification of radar “three-hundredth of” anti-aircraft missile system. In addition, the C-300 were laid significant opportunities for adaptation to noise conditions and the suppression of the “Doppler noise.” In the C-300 used jam-resistant communication lines with automatic frequency tuning modes are “collective” operation in which data from different radars are flocking to a single command post of anti-aircraft missile division. It would not have tried to suppress enemy air defense detection, anti-aircraft gunners in any case will have a clear view of the air situation, summing up scraps of information from multiple radars.

Operation is possible triangulation – simultaneous highlighting goals two speed cameras, and knowing the exact distance (base) between the radar and the angles / azimuths, under which they are observing goal, we can construct a triangle, the base of which – the base, at the top – flogged goal. After a moment, the computer will accurately determine the coordinates of the target. Very old and reliable way, you can calculate, for example, the location of the jammer.

As for the weapons of S-300 – a theme battered and obvious. Meeting with a missile, cutting the sky in the six-speed sound – a guaranteed end to any aerodynamic object created by human hands. Finally, the family of anti-aircraft missile system S-300 – is a set of detection, mobile launchers on a wheeled or tracked chassis (not counting the ship’s S-300F), military trucks with auxiliary equipment and software modules alert.

The choice – two dozen models of rocket ammunition medium, high and extra high range, with regular and “special” warheads with active and semi-active homing.

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The downside? They have in any system. The list of shortcomings of S-300 usually consists of two factors:

First – bulkiness of the complex. There are complaints about its hardware components. As the old joke: our chip – the biggest chip in the world!

The second drawback is not related to the construction SAM – this is a common problem with all the modern anti-aircraft missile systems related to the fundamental laws of nature. Radio waves propagate strictly straightforward, and it causes problems with the detection of low-flying objects. For example, the threatening statements about the destruction of targets at a distance of 400 km for the S-400 “Triumph” apply only to the objectives in the upper stratosphere. At the same time, any “corncob”, flying over the very tops of the trees can safely sneak up to the position of S-400 at a distance of a few dozen kilometers away, while remaining completely invisible and invulnerable to anti-missile system (superrefraction and other rare atmospheric phenomena that increase the detection range of the radar will not be considered).

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The formula for calculating distance horizon (radio horizon), taking into account the height of the observer and the observed object height
Radio horizon problem has two solutions:

The first – giving targeting external means of detection (AWACS aircraft, spacecraft), followed by firing anti-aircraft missiles to the active homing. Alas, none of the modern air defense system does not have such fantastic modes.

The second solution – lifting the suspension antenna. To expand the “line of sight” radar-300 a versatile mobile tower height of 25 m, carried on the vehicle MAZ-537 and 39-meter high tower Duplex 40V6M that, despite the enormous height, can be mounted on unequipped position for two hours .

Combat capabilities of the system are extremely great – no coincidence, our “Western partners” so rage at the mention of the C-300. However, it is naive to believe that NATO members were sitting all this time “idle.” There is a problem – there should be a solution. The American military-industrial complex frantically searching for a way out of the situation, and offered a number of very important and effective means.

Invite readers to see the set of NATO air forces to overcome the powerful echelon air defense systems and make a prediction: there is a chance for the C-300 to protect the Syrian sky?

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frenchbriefs

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Around one year ago the stat of the art's nato airforce undetook exercises in order to evaluate Sam 10.
Sam 10 belonged to Slovakia against other nato's airfleets. In order I think to prepare a syria -and next Iran-'s attack -but canceled now-. Sam 10 underwent several nato jammers, aerial attacks
The result of this exercise, demonstrated how hard it is Sa-10. Without huge losses -as there was during Vietnam's war, and Korea's war- it is nearly impossible to bypass the radar's Sa-10. With personnal highly trained, and very comptetent Sa-10 has great chances to inflict sever blows to nato's airforces.

This was a blow to the israelis's propaganda that claimed they -supposed- bypassed the Sa-10 complex in a so-called exercises where they would successufly jammed S-300.

http://www.kamov.net/general-aviation/trial-mace-xiii-exercise-in-slovakia/

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frenchbriefs

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http://www.kamov.net/general-aviation/trial-mace-xiii-exercise-in-slovakia/

Trial MACE XIII exercise in Slovakia


Slovakia’s sole S-300PMU (SA-10 ‘Grumble’) surface-to-air missile system was the main actor during the ‘Trial MACE XIII” electronic warfare exercise held in Slovakia from 16-27 April. The S-300PMU and its attendant ‘Flap Lid’ and ‘Clam Shell’ radars were sited at Nitra, with support provided by a Slovakian Air Force L-39ZAM from the 2nd Squadron at Sliac that flew as a target for the SAM crews. The exercise allowed NATO air arms to practise tactics to deal with the so-called ‘double digit’ air defence threat, while ground and flying personnel alike were exposed to operations under electronic jamming conditions.

Sliac air base hosted the tactical air contingent, which consisted of French Air Force Mirage 2000Ds and Rafale Bs, Royal Danish Air Force F-16AMs, a NATO E-3A and a French Air Force E-3F, a Royal Norwegian Air Force Falcon 20, resident Slovakian Air Force MiG-29AS/UBS, and

Slovakian L-39ZAMTurkish Air Force F-4E-2020s from 111 Filo. Also involved was the rarely seen Learjet 35A D-CARL of German firm GFD, fitted with two Cassidian EW pods, again operating from Sliac.

Aircraft involved in ‘Trial MACE XIII’ included 111 Filo ‘Panthers’ F-4E-2020 from Eskisehir equipped with an Elta EL/L-8222 electronic countermeasures pod. Special markings to commemorate 50,000 Phantom flying hours within the unit were applied during the exercise

- See more at: http://www.kamov.net/general-aviation/trial-mace-xiii-exercise-in-slovakia/#sthash.iz7b0Yf2.dpuf

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johnny333

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The american Patriot anti-missile system was claimed to be 90% effective but I read somewhere that it was only about 20% effective.

Don't expect the Israel to be truthful about their iron dome system because it might affect future sales:wink:
 

frenchbriefs

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rocket to rocket weapons never work.

rockets work very well.......israel is spending $50,000 per missile to shoot down a $500 hamas rocket.....that shows how effective it is.

if we can get China to mass produce these rockets for 5 cents on the dollar,the cost of hamas rocket will drop to $25 each and we can bombard israel till moses comes home.
 

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rockets work very well.......israel is spending $50,000 per missile to shoot down a $500 hamas rocket.....that shows how effective it is.

if we can get China to mass produce these rockets for 5 cents on the dollar,the cost of hamas rocket will drop to $25 each and we can bombard israel till moses comes home.

North Korea lah.
 

syed putra

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what happened to the laser beam? They say its cheaper to use it than shooting bullets. And the "goalkeeper" machine gun to protect against missile strike on ships?
 

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Asked why Israel rejected the laser system, the Defense Ministry's spokesman replied: "The Nautilus system is defined as exemplifying technologies and not as an operational instrument. Bringing the Nautilus system into Israel today will cost about $100 million, and it might take up to two years for the system to become active. The Nautilus system is operationally inferior to the Iron Dome system, is far more costly and does not provide an answer to volleys of missiles, as Iron Dome is meant to do. Tests of Nautilus did not achieve the goal of 100 percent hits but far less, and even that under optimal conditions, which, regrettably, do not exist in the western Negev." The reply is studded with inaccuracies, to say the least. The Nautilus / Skyguard will not be "far more costly" than Iron Dome, but probably "far less costly." Nor is it clear what the Defense Ministry spokesman is referring to when he states that Nautilus "did not achieve the goal of 100 percent hits but far less." For his part, the IDF Spokesman, who was also asked to comment on the decision not to acquire the laser system, copied the reply of the Defense Ministry spokesman. Former air force commander Major General (res.) David Ivry is one of those who favors adopting the laser system, but the ministry's R&D directorate did not accept his position. Another former air force commander, Major General (res.) Herzl Bodinger, also tried to persuade the ministry to purchase the laser defense system, again to no avail.
 

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Asked why Israel rejected the laser system, the Defense Ministry's spokesman replied: "The Nautilus system is defined as exemplifying technologies and not as an operational instrument. Bringing the Nautilus system into Israel today will cost about $100 million, and it might take up to two years for the system to become active. The Nautilus system is operationally inferior to the Iron Dome system, is far more costly and does not provide an answer to volleys of missiles, as Iron Dome is meant to do. Tests of Nautilus did not achieve the goal of 100 percent hits but far less, and even that under optimal conditions, which, regrettably, do not exist in the western Negev." The reply is studded with inaccuracies, to say the least. The Nautilus / Skyguard will not be "far more costly" than Iron Dome, but probably "far less costly." Nor is it clear what the Defense Ministry spokesman is referring to when he states that Nautilus "did not achieve the goal of 100 percent hits but far less." For his part, the IDF Spokesman, who was also asked to comment on the decision not to acquire the laser system, copied the reply of the Defense Ministry spokesman. Former air force commander Major General (res.) David Ivry is one of those who favors adopting the laser system, but the ministry's R&D directorate did not accept his position. Another former air force commander, Major General (res.) Herzl Bodinger, also tried to persuade the ministry to purchase the laser defense system, again to no avail.

Turn the remaining jews into bars of soap by reopening Auschwitz Birkenau will be far less costly than all those systems. PAP members can be the Sonderkommandos there
as the PAPs been doing that in Singapore very well. Holding and help LKY to screw and fuck and tiew the singaporeans. Their well paid ability can be transfered to turning jews into bars of soap.

With LKY about to become a rotting corpse, the PAP can seek alterative employment there even if they cannot laugh all the way to the banks as what they are use to in Singapore.
But at least they will not dangle and dance under the lamp posts of Singapore.

Will make the word a cleaner place as well.

Surely a win win solution
 

Sinkie

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No matter how aggressive the Hamas are, why they never target anyone except the Israelites?

There MUST be a reason and we all know why.
 

Papsmearer

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Well, guess which sucker army bought the Iron Dome system that does not work?
Guess which country got suckered by the Jews into paying for the development of the Iron DOme system?
Guess which gullible country believed the Jews and trusted the Iron Dome to be the protection it was promised?

If your answer is SIngapore, you are right!!
 

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Noted MIT physicist Theodore Postol headlined his Technology Review article "Why Missile Defense Won't Work."


Each Iron Dome missile costs $400,000, not $20,000 according to some Israeli sources. Raytheon produces it in America.

The cost of Iron Dome is reported to be US60k. This is a figure known to the world. I don't know where u get the 20k figure.
 
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