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winnipegjets

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Let's do the right thing. Clearing ones table is an act of manners and graciousness. U find this common in other countries. Let's not disgrace ourselves !!
Everyone for themselves has been the ethos of the PAP government since independence. That's how it justifies paying themselves world's highest paid ministers, making hundreds of billions in 'subsidized' housing, ripping us off on our retirement savings.
How can sinkees be gracious and community focus when it is drilled in us to be animals?
 

enterprise2

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Everyone for themselves has been the ethos of the PAP government since independence. That's how it justifies paying themselves world's highest paid ministers, making hundreds of billions in 'subsidized' housing, ripping us off on our retirement savings.
How can sinkees be gracious and community focus when it is drilled in us to be animals?

Have u been to Tokyo or not?? Crowded like anything but people still behave like gracious human beings. Nothing to do with politics. Up to u - u can behave like animals or civilized people !
 

halsey02

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A hawker centre or food court is a commercial establishment, but there is nothing to stop you from clearing your tray like in a fast food restaurant.

Once I had a colleague who visited from a European country, after eating in a fast food restaurant, he promptly cleared his tray, while I was prepared to leave mine. If you consider the consideration perspective, clearing not only helps the cleaners, it also allows other customers to be able to take your seat faster. If you expect your tray to be cleared for you, perhaps you would expect it to be served to you as well. I hope you are not one of those who peers intently at his mobile device at a crowded foodcourt or a fastfood outlet during lunchtime either. :biggrin:

Don't always let going against the government influence you against ALL government policies or initiatives. Not every single one of their policies or initiatives is going to be bad, although the high handed and arrogant way they try to push them on impressionable sinkies can certainly be disgusting at times.

The problem is not ALL their initiatives and policies. The problem as I have said time and again started more than 50 years ago, with someone whose death will actually make no difference because his mentality and mindset has already been acquired or inherited by many. :(

It is culture & upbringing, I automatically will clear the table or discard my rubbish in receptacles that are suitable for them, without being told. But, there are places...many these days..I FIND NO DUSTBINS...& over the years, I clear my tray, I look like a PARIAH. I do not blame the people for behaving that way & I tend to follow them, but I resist..I clear the tray; then again, I think of the MONEY FACE GOVERNMENT I have, I dump the tray where it is for the cleaners, to clean after me...that goes for the litter too..no dustbins, no one looking . I stuff them in crevices or holes I can find...:rolleyes:
 

halsey02

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Have u been to Tokyo or not?? Crowded like anything but people still behave like gracious human beings. Nothing to do with politics. Up to u - u can behave like animals or civilized people !

But PAP breed people like these...ill-behaved, etc..for they themselves behave that way....can you blame the people following that?
 

laksaboy

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It is culture & upbringing, I automatically will clear the table or discard my rubbish in receptacles that are suitable for them, without being told. But, there are places...many these days..I FIND NO DUSTBINS...& over the years, I clear my tray, I look like a PARIAH. I do not blame the people for behaving that way & I tend to follow them, but I resist..I clear the tray; then again, I think of the MONEY FACE GOVERNMENT I have, I dump the tray where it is for the cleaners, to clean after me...that goes for the litter too..no dustbins, no one looking . I stuff them in crevices or holes I can find...:rolleyes:

For me it is a matter of principle. If you don't clear tables at a restaurant, you shouldn't be expected to also do the same at a hawker centre.
 

halsey02

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Very good. :wink:

For those places that don't provide tray return places or dustbins, then too bad. It's obvious that they would prefer to clear it themselves, so leave it.

As for giving up our seat in public transport to those who need it more, errrrrrrr, ahem ............................................... :o:biggrin:

You are heavily pregnant, or even pregnant, taking public transport is a big risk....I may have to help deliver the child!!...old & tottering on walking stick, should not be taking public transport...disable, unable..etc...good to be independent, but I pay for my seat, I am tired, I need rest...I will chek , where my heart is at that moment...by nature I will give up that seat...but once again, I am tired..etc..& again that MONEY FACE g#@$%%, NO!...I will stay put!.

After all, they do not want me to pay cash...& penalise me for doing so....etc...
 

escher

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Let's do the right thing. Clearing ones table is an act of manners and graciousness. U find this common in other countries. Let's not disgrace ourselves !!

Can your fucking crap!

GO CLEAN THE FUCKING HAWKERS TABLES AND WIPE THEIR BACKSIDE WHEN THEY SHIT
THEN GO STICK YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN AN UNFLUSHED PUBLIC TOILET BOWL AND DRINK UP

YOU GO AND BE HAWKER ASSISTANT AND CAN SING HOSANNAS TO THE TURDS AND TISSUE IN THAT UNFLUSHED TOILET BOWL
BE THANKFUL TO PAP WHILE YOU AT IT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO BE A GOOD UNPAID HAWKER ASSISTANT
 

enterprise2

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Can your fucking crap!

GO CLEAN THE FUCKING HAWKERS TABLES AND WIPE THEIR BACKSIDE WHEN THEY SHIT
THEN GO STICK YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN AN UNFLUSHED PUBLIC TOILET BOWL AND DRINK UP

YOU GO AND BE HAWKER ASSISTANT AND CAN SING HOSANNAS TO THE TURDS AND TISSUE IN THAT UNFLUSHED TOILET BOWL
BE THANKFUL TO PAP WHILE YOU AT IT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO BE A GOOD UNPAID HAWKER ASSISTANT

Wow!! Think u need help!!
 

Leepotism

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Ass Loon still has the flag.

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Flag poles put up by Town Council for Nationals Day celebrations were broken in PM Lee's GRC. The flags were not damaged.


Ass Loon is now a picture of Anger and Hate. His smiles are gone!
 

pocoyo

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A hawker centre or food court is a commercial establishment, but there is nothing to stop you from clearing your tray like in a fast food restaurant.

Once I had a colleague who visited from a European country, after eating in a fast food restaurant, he promptly cleared his tray, while I was prepared to leave mine. If you consider the consideration perspective, clearing not only helps the cleaners, it also allows other customers to be able to take your seat faster. If you expect your tray to be cleared for you, perhaps you would expect it to be served to you as well. I hope you are not one of those who peers intently at his mobile device at a crowded foodcourt or a fastfood outlet during lunchtime either. :biggrin:

Don't always let going against the government influence you against ALL government policies or initiatives. Not every single one of their policies or initiatives is going to be bad, although the high handed and arrogant way they try to push them on impressionable sinkies can certainly be disgusting at times.

The problem is not ALL their initiatives and policies. The problem as I have said time and again started more than 50 years ago, with someone whose death will actually make no difference because his mentality and mindset has already been acquired or inherited by many. :(

If the returning tray campaign is so successful whereby everyone is returning it after use, then I worry.

You can assure all the uncle and auntie cleaners will be gone over a night if everyone is so 'thoughtful' like you..
 

escher

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Wow!! Think u need help!!

Can your fucking crap!

GO CLEAN THE FUCKING HAWKERS TABLES AND WIPE THEIR BACKSIDE WHEN THEY SHIT
THEN GO STICK YOUR FUCKING HEAD IN AN UNFLUSHED PUBLIC TOILET BOWL AND DRINK UP

YOU GO AND BE HAWKER ASSISTANT AND CAN SING HOSANNAS TO THE TURDS AND TISSUE IN THAT UNFLUSHED TOILET BOWL
BE THANKFUL TO PAP WHILE YOU AT IT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO BE A GOOD UNPAID HAWKER ASSISTANT
 

mojito

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The flagpole may be felled in 2016 or later, but the flag will be raised again, taller and stronger than before.
 

Leepotism

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Honestly I don't remember he said what he was sorry for.

PM Lee: I'm sorry for our mistakes

<cite class="byline vcard" style="font-style: normal; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); font-size: 11px; font-family: arial; vertical-align: middle; line-height: 2.2em; display: inline-block !important;">By Alicia Wong | SingaporeScene – <abbr title="2011-05-03T15:28:50Z" style="border: 0px;">Tue, May 3, 2011</abbr></cite>







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Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong pledges to make the system better for Singaporeans. (Yahoo! photo/Kzan)"If we didn't get it right, I'm sorry. But we will try better the next time."

It was an apology that Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong saw fit to repeat twice on Tuesday during thePeople's Action Party (PAP) first lunchtime rally at Boat Quay next to UOB Plaza.

PM Lee acknowledged some of the government's initiatives have resulted in "side effects", such as problem gambling among Singaporeans due to the opening of the Integrated Resorts.

He also cited the congestion in public transport because of the increased intake in foreigners.

"These are real problems, we will tackle them. But I hope you will understand when these problems vex you or disturb you or upset your lives, please bear with us, we are trying our best on your behalf," said PM Lee to a crowd of about a thousand.

The secretary-general of the PAP continued, "And if we didn't quite get it right, I'm sorry but we will try better the next time."

Pushing on with a message he had for voters on Monday, PM Lee also admitted the government had made two other high-profile errors.
"We made a mistake when we let Mas Selamat run away. We made a mistake when Orchard Road got flooded," he said.


"No government is perfect… we will make mistakes. But when it happens we should acknowledge it, we should apologise, take responsibility, put things right. If we are to discipline somebody, we will do that, and we must learn from the lessons and never make the same mistake again," said PM Lee.
Yet, he explained the difficulties in making decisions with incomplete information.

For instance, if the government knew there would be a sudden surge in demand for HDB flats in mid-2009 and that foreigners would have created such congestion on the roads, it would have ramped up plans for more flats and MRT lines.

"We're sorry we didn't get it exactly right, but I hope you will understand and bear with us because we are trying our best to fix the problems," he said.
The government will build 22,000 flats this year and open one new MRT line every year for the next seven years.PAP new candidates Tan Chuan Jin and Sim Ann mingle with the crowd before the rally starts. (Yahoo! photo/Kzen …Overall, however, the government "has been right more often than wrong," said PM Lee, who is also the secretary-general of the PAP.

For instance, the intake of foreign workers contributed to the Republic's 14.5 per cent economic growth last year, and subsequently led to the budget surplus and Grow & Share package.
But still, the Prime Minister cautioned, "Good as we are, we and the PAP in particular, must never become self-satisfied". Wearing white, he noted, does not give you an "automatic right to become the government".
"Never forget that we are here to serve the voters, to serve Singaporeans and not to lord it over people," he said, reiterating his message on leadership at the Young PAP 25th Anniversary Rallyrecently.

The anchor for Ang Mo Kio GRC, who will be facing a challenge from a team from the Reform Party, PM Lee also noted the PAP government's ideals and passions have not changed over the last 50 years but "our policies have been updated, our approach has shifted, our style has changed".
He contrasted this with Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's approach who "tells it like it is".

Over the weekend, MM Lee's comments that Aljunied GRC voters would regret voting in the Workers' Party and would have five years to "repent" if they did so have drawn much controversy.

But PM Lee said, "I think you've got used to our style. We don't try to do it MM's style. We do it our way, we spend some time to talk, to explain… to overcome some of these working problems so that we can go in the right strategic directions."

While MM understands the difference in Singaporeans today and those from previous generations, "whether it's ordinary time, election time, you can be sure he is still the same MM," said PM Lee.

The generally quiet rally saw a short disturbance when a person in the middle of the crowd raised two opposition …
Towards the end of his 30-minute speech, PM Lee turned to young voters under 35, who form up to a third of the 2.3 million eligible voters.
Urging them to think carefully before they vote, he said: "You belong to the country, but the country belongs to you."

"So please come forward, take your path in building this nation, but also please take good care of Singapore. It's a precious jewel, understand it, how it works, what its important components are, what's the spirit of it, how to make it better."

There were a total of eight speakers during the two-hour PAP rally, including Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam and six new candidates.
They spoke on topics such as education, community Members of Parliament, low-wage workers and the need for a steady hand to guide Singapore through difficult times.

New citizen Chen Yan, 37, said PM Lee's speech was "inspiring, encouraging". As a first time voter, she is "proud to be Singaporean," she said.
Director Sanjir Shah, 46, said, While the messages were nothing new, "the thing that struck me most was the humility. (PM Lee) comes across as sincere."
Entrepreneur Dexter Wong, 35, however felt PM Lee should have addressed the high ministerial salaries, since it is a matter within the government's control, unlike the floods, and student Cherrie, 23, said she still wants to see more diversity in Parliament.


 

sleaguepunter

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If the cleaner uncles and aunties are gone, so be it.

The elderly should not be working as cleaners in the first place. :wink:

Paiseh... I disagree with the return tray campaign. NEA is charging up to $600w/gst per month for table cleaning fee. So must I help to clean up the table for them? It impractical in the first place as so what I clear the tray but the table is over with spilled coffee, soup, gravy, etc etc....?

I dun like to use a tray, I pick up the bowls or plate with my hand. So technically I can just leave the stuff on the table as there no tray to clear in the first place.:biggrin: don't use angmo standards to compare, limpeh not angmo so I dun like to follow the angmo nonsense. I grow up without need to return used utensils in hawker centre and I aren't start doing now to please the pap arseholes.

Just last weekend, I went to ikea tampines. I quote the auntie cleaner of 40plus yo, return the tray is most stupid idea ever had as it mean there a reason to hire less cleaners while making the existing cleaners work twice as hard. Patrons at ikea are returning the trays but they not clearing the mess on the table, so it LPPL for the duty cleaners. She was cussing the management while she wipe clean the table for me to use.

Return tray my arse!!!!
 

Physiocrat

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Globalization and Nationalism are 2 mutually exclusive concepts.
Time to ask those pricks to make up their fucking minds.
 

3_M

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For me it is a matter of principle. If you don't clear tables at a restaurant, you shouldn't be expected to also do the same at a hawker centre.

For me I will clear my tray in the fast food restaurant ( not many sinkies do this) but not in the hawker centre since this is a PAP initiative.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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For me I will clear my tray in the fast food restaurant ( not many sinkies do this) but not in the hawker centre since this is a PAP initiative.


Agree. I return trays at fast food joints and at my fav eateries like Kukus nasi lemak.

The HCs and FCs can go fly kites. Why should I bother to return tray there?
 
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