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TOC asks "why should retirees sell or unlock the value in their flats?"

phouse3

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Did it ever occur to TOC that:
- it is the retirees themselves that are dying to do so?
- it is voluntary?
- home-ownership of 90% is not the norm in this world?
- CPF money is retirement money meant to be spent - within one's lifetime?
- even the smallest element of bequest is nonsense?
- the number of singles/widowed with no real beneficiaries has been increasing?

Many retirees earned/saved very little but also bought their HDB flats for very little when Singapore was a low-cost country. Even so, a big chunk of money is stuck in HDB flats due to the Minimum Sum and pledge of property.*

Now that Singapore is a high-cost country which also mean the values of HDB flats have soared. It makes economic sense to unlock the value of HDB flats for many retirees. It is also obviously necessary for many poor retirees. What "familiarity, intimate place, memories" is TOC talking about when some retirees are dying to move to retirement villages or studio apartments as a refreshing change. Some of the younger generation are dying to buy over the well-located properties too.

Why has the cost structure of Singapore changed? It is due to the increase in foreign inputs (labour, capital). That's where the trade-off comes in. Employment/income goes up but so does general price level, including prices of HDB flats of course.

Two wrongs don't make one right. We cannot reduce the population back to 4 million and sink Singapore. Costs of living may come down but so will property prices. The younger generation will be in negative equity. Neither should we continue to increase the population to sustain the growth in property prices as it will lead to a bubble.

The inter-generational wealth transfer is exaggerated. The younger generation may pay more than the previous generation for properties but their incomes are also higher. (The big problem is depressed wages at the bottom rung which is another issue.) They need not monetise their flats when their time come.

Monetisation of flats offers many advantages. Think of supply of housing as total gross floor area of the entire country instead of total number of units. By allowing the retirees to release the bigger flats at choice locations to the younger generation, we need not build more gross floor area than is necessary, which also mean we can rely less on foreign construction workers. Slowing the supply is commonsense in a volatile economic situation. The younger generation can avoid potentially bigger negative equity. Some of them may be bankrupted if they lose their jobs.

Let the record speaks for itself:
- Asia Financial Crisis (1998)
- Internet Bubble (2000)
- 911 (2001)
- SARS (2002)
- Iraq War (2003)
- Global Financial Crisis (2007-2008)
- Eurozone Crisis (2009- )
- ??? Crisis (201?- )


(* It is obvious that we should lobby for lower CPF returns and the return of a portion of our CPF money. Those people who ask for higher risks/returns and deferring of withdrawal age to 65 should be honest enough to commit hara kiri, especially when a deep and long crisis strikes.)
 

TopSage

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1. Scheme like social security and CPF are suppose to provide for
retirement financing.

2. Now that the PAP failed to operate these schemes properly,
they resort to tap the housing wealth of Singaporeans.

3. Its not that the elderly want to take up reverse mortgage but they need to take it up because they dun have enough money.

4. It would be the case if CPF can achieve adequacy.

5. The pap is trying to use your assets to plug this deficiency in their schemes.

6 They will also ask more elderly pple to work to address the gaps in their policies.

7. Today 3 times more elderly in Singapore work than in HK, UK and other developed countries.

8. Based on an IPS study most work because they don't have enough money. No due to nonsense euphemism the pap calls active ageing.
 

winnipegjets

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Did it ever occur to TOC that:
- it is the retirees themselves that are dying to do so?
- it is voluntary?
- home-ownership of 90% is not the norm in this world?
- CPF money is retirement money meant to be spent - within one's lifetime?
- even the smallest element of bequest is nonsense?
- the number of singles/widowed with no real beneficiaries has been increasing?

Many retirees earned/saved very little but also bought their HDB flats for very little when Singapore was a low-cost country. Even so, a big chunk of money is stuck in HDB flats due to the Minimum Sum and pledge of property.*

Now that Singapore is a high-cost country which also mean the values of HDB flats have soared. It makes economic sense to unlock the value of HDB flats for many retirees. It is also obviously necessary for many poor retirees. What "familiarity, intimate place, memories" is TOC talking about when some retirees are dying to move to retirement villages or studio apartments as a refreshing change. Some of the younger generation are dying to buy over the well-located properties too.

Why has the cost structure of Singapore changed? It is due to the increase in foreign inputs (labour, capital). That's where the trade-off comes in. Employment/income goes up but so does general price level, including prices of HDB flats of course.

Two wrongs don't make one right. We cannot reduce the population back to 4 million and sink Singapore. Costs of living may come down but so will property prices. The younger generation will be in negative equity. Neither should we continue to increase the population to sustain the growth in property prices as it will lead to a bubble.

The inter-generational wealth transfer is exaggerated. The younger generation may pay more than the previous generation for properties but their incomes are also higher. (The big problem is depressed wages at the bottom rung which is another issue.) They need not monetise their flats when their time come.

Monetisation of flats offers many advantages. Think of supply of housing as total gross floor area of the entire country instead of total number of units. By allowing the retirees to release the bigger flats at choice locations to the younger generation, we need not build more gross floor area than is necessary, which also mean we can rely less on foreign construction workers. Slowing the supply is commonsense in a volatile economic situation. The younger generation can avoid potentially bigger negative equity. Some of them may be bankrupted if they lose their jobs.

Let the record speaks for itself:
- Asia Financial Crisis (1998)
- Internet Bubble (2000)
- 911 (2001)
- SARS (2002)
- Iraq War (2003)
- Global Financial Crisis (2007-2008)
- Eurozone Crisis (2009- )
- ??? Crisis (201?- )


(* It is obvious that we should lobby for lower CPF returns and the return of a portion of our CPF money. Those people who ask for higher risks/returns and deferring of withdrawal age to 65 should be honest enough to commit hara kiri, especially when a deep and long crisis strikes.)

Pure garbage that doesn't deserve a reply.
 

virus

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yes. eyes your flat. eyes your organs. next is eyes your wife mother and dotters to be maids in other countries.

trulee first world and uniquelee singapore!
 

phouse3

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1. Population increase - why did it happen?

Because of the crises, our economy and reserves were very badly hit. So the government attempted to change the direction of the economy. It harangued Singaporeans about the merits of higher value-added industries. Everyday we were bombarded with creating this hub and that hub. We had it up to our ears with all the media harassment. At the meantime, GST was increased, means-testing was introduced to reduce subsidies, and CPF withdrawals were deferred in order to boost our reserves.

Alas, few of the hubs worked. So the government U-turned and drove the economy by increasing the population (and FDI). It was a myopic measure but guaranteed to work as any economist would tell you about the shift in Aggregate Demand curve to the right. But it created other problems - higher costs of living, infrastructure constraints, social costs like overcrowdedness, riots, strikes, etc. It led to another problem. At least $100 billion of our reserves have to be earmarked for spending. New MRT lines alone cost $60 billion. That led to yet another problem. Our CPF makes up the majority of GIC's reserves.

Growth is not costs free. Those economists who keep preaching about the merits of growing the population are behind the curve for at least 15 years.


2. MediShield Life - universal what?

MediShield Life is universal pay-in without universal pay-out. We should be aware that financing of the nation's healthcare bill consists (1) government subsidies; (2)insurance; and (3)out-of-pocket expense.

The government reduced its share of healthcare burden from 70% to 30% after many crises struck. Now the government is increasing its share back to just 40%, only 10% more and a far cry from the 70% it used to shoulder. Pioneers get a bit more, the rich get a bit less, majority get the average of 40%. Pioneer Generation Package is just a marketing hype and publicity blitz to sell MediShield Life. Many PAP MPs lost enthusiasm in selling the PGP because they knew it is not an ang-pao and will have to face the backlash later.

Since MediShield Life is made compulsory, MediSave money should be returned. No insurance company in this world forces its policyholder to set aside a lumpsum to fund future premium payments for the rest of his/her life, not even in North Korea.


3. CPF Life - our money

CPF is an individual's fully-funded retirement money. Why pool it with others to insure against longevity (euphemism for inadequacy)? Why is longevity insurance compulsory when many people don't have the longevity gene? Why embed bequest? Why take inordinate risks?

Investing retirement money (thru GIC) in foreign currencies is a breach of the most fundamental investment principle.


4. Singapore - highest savings rate in the world

Anyone who tells us to save more is definitely crazy.
 

escher

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yes. eyes your flat. eyes your organs. next is eyes your wife mother and dotters to be maids in other countries.

trulee first world and uniquelee singapore!


PAP is finished.
The stinking glue and terror that hold PAP together is that old fart smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY. LKY is about to die in days or weeks.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP. Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.
None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.
Maggots and cockroaches are appointed as ministers in parliament
Kangaroos are frolicking in High Court instead of being allowed to wander and roam about in the Zoo
They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.



WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS
WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN
WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.
AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.
https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 

scroobal

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Lots of good observations and points.

It's boils down to a government that is struggling with a vision and does not have a roadmap. The only roadmap is one where it sees the bandaid peeling off and another to be prepared.

The fundamental issue is that it has taken the GE mandate as absolute. The people' views do not carry any value. Henge Swee Kiat who was well regarded by many quarters prior to his elections surprised many by staking the deck with the party faithfuls during the National Conversation. Its preaching to the choir. Sure you can differing views about the colour of the cereal box but not about having cereals in the first place. It's when you know that thee has to be paradigm shift.

Arguments about CPF etc are one of many issues that need to be addressed.


1. Population increase - why did it happen?

4. Singapore - highest savings rate in the world

Anyone who tells us to save more is definitely crazy.
 

Bigfuck

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Exit strategy is essential in unsustainable math. But they are too dumb to do it and do it into someone else's backyard. They also fail in military and resource logistic science, which is the only way to save Singapore and also a way to create mulitipliers never seen before in the world because no other country in the world is allowed to do it.

Lee Kuan Yew is a damned fool and UK knew it from the start. The guy knows nuts about money power and resources as well as leveraging to win. Small time wannabe slave turned slavedriver.
 
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