Anyone living in a condo & having problems with leaks?

johnny333 · Jul 29, 2014

revealer said:
What BCA gave are just guidelines on how to deal with interfloor leaks. It is not a rule or regulation. The cost bearing will still have to depend on the actual cause of the leak. For example, if it is found the leak is caused by the concealed pipes of the lower unit running along the ceiling, then, there is no reason for the upper unit to bear the cost of the repair and vice versa.

The agreement should be divided into 2 parts, the detection of leak and the repair of leak. Both upper and lower unit should work together to engage the specialist to do the detection first. The repair of leak will come after.

Usually, the lower unit should not have any drain pipe concealed in the ceiling if a leak is found in the ceiling. Turning of the water supply in the lower unit will confirm this .

From the way the condo admin put it, I was automatically responsible because I'm living in the above apartment. Since no one has contacted me I will just put in on the back burner for now.

I was in holiday mood & enjoying myself until I returned to Spore. I'll have to put on my runners & re-join the great Spore rat race :smile:

Fortunately there's still the National day holidays to look forward to.

leetahbar · Jul 29, 2014

leaks always appear if u buy condos developed by FAR EAST. this bunch of ppl give very inferior quality that looks good outside but rot like hell inside. :(.....somewhat resembling the pap:p

johnny333 · Jul 29, 2014

leetahbar said:
leaks always appear if u buy condos developed by FAR EAST. this bunch of ppl give very inferior quality that looks good outside but rot like hell inside. :(.....somewhat resembling the pap:p

They started the trend & nowadays it is the norm in Spore :(
I heard that the management found major pieces from the building missing :eek:

Some sort of beam wasn't installed.

From contractors I found out that they use the cheapest parts.

Semaj2357 · Jul 29, 2014

yes, far east are the pits...at least cdl is way better.

palden · Jul 29, 2014

Semaj2357 said:
yes, far east are the pits...at least cdl is way better.

Agreed. Wonder how is PRC contractors like Qing Jian and locals like team build ?

Leckmichamarsch · Jul 30, 2014

revealer said:
If it is between the plumber and water proofing specialist, I would choose water proofing specialist who has non-destructive testing tools such as thermographic scan or camera that can detect where is the leak. I already have this experience that this plumber asking for $500/= to break down the wall to find the leak. I did not trust him as he was asking me where I bought mine metal pipe locator when he saw me using it to locate the concealed pipes.

Best solution is to have the floor or area grouted by water proofing blokes using PU........... cost about eight hundred bucks for three points
Plumber not so accurate and they do trial n error
Both are exploitively expensive...................
Our building code needs to be beefed up

ginfreely · Jul 30, 2014

revealer said:
What BCA gave are just guidelines on how to deal with interfloor leaks. It is not a rule or regulation. The cost bearing will still have to depend on the actual cause of the leak. For example, if it is found the leak is caused by the concealed pipes of the lower unit running along the ceiling, then, there is no reason for the upper unit to bear the cost of the repair and vice versa.

The agreement should be divided into 2 parts, the detection of leak and the repair of leak. Both upper and lower unit should work together to engage the specialist to do the detection first. The repair of leak will come after.

Usually, the lower unit should not have any drain pipe concealed in the ceiling if a leak is found in the ceiling. Turning of the water supply in the lower unit will confirm this .

Hi according to the BCA website, the Building maintenance and strata management act is a ruling as it is a statute and legislation administered by BCA, they are not just guidelines. See the below extract:

"The Building Maintenance and Strata Management Act (BMSMA) and its subsidiary legislations, except the provisions on stage development, came into operation on 1st April 2005. The provisions on staged development will come into force on a date to be announced. The BMSMA comes under the purview of the Ministry of National Development (MND). The legislation is administered by the Commissioner of Buildings (COB) of the Building and Construction Authority (BCA).

The BMSMA is a statute merging the Buildings and Common Property (Maintenance and Management) Act [“BCPA”] with parts of the Land Titles (Strata) Act [“LTSA”]. It is the result of an extensive consultation process with the industry and the public culminating with a Select Committee review. The BCPA has been repealed. The LTSA has been amended and continues to be under the purview of Ministry of Law (MinLaw). However, the Strata Titles Boards (STB), which is provided for in the BMSMA, now comes under the ambit of MND.

There are a number of significant changes introduced in the BMSMA. They include, among other things, 2-tier MC scheme, proportional representation in the council for multiple lot owners, responsibility of owners to maintain their windows, presumption of liabilty on upper floor unit owners in leakages between units, office bearers permitted to resign without replacements and provision for share values to be varied in staged developments."

http://www.bca.gov.sg/BMSM/bmsma.html

tanwahp · Aug 8, 2014

johnny333 said:
I'm staying in a condo & recently the neighbours below are complaining of a water leak from above. It seems that the leak is coming from above, i.e. from my unit. However I haven't done any renovations & I don't see any evidence of leaking problems in my unit

Exactly. If you have never done anything to the floor after buying the unit, chances are the waterproofing has worn out after many years. Like substances losing their properties after years.

Leaks tend to be invisible to the owner of the unit causing the problem, but the droplets will be visible to the below unit. That's why you can't see anything. If you pour a pail of water through a cloth and look above the cloth, all you see is a water mark, but the person standing below the cloth will be drenched.

Even if you hack the flooring, you can't see anything. But after you have repaired the floor, the below neighbour's problem will be solved like magic.

johnny333 · Aug 9, 2014

tanwahp said:
Exactly. If you have never done anything to the floor after buying the unit, chances are the waterproofing has worn out after many years. Like substances losing their properties after years.

Leaks tend to be invisible to the owner of the unit causing the problem, but the droplets will be visible to the below unit. That's why you can't see anything. If you pour a pail of water through a cloth and look above the cloth, all you see is a water mark, but the person standing below the cloth will be drenched.

Even if you hack the flooring, you can't see anything. But after you have repaired the floor, the below neighbour's problem will be solved like magic.

Been over a week since the condo management & the neighbours contractor visited my unit to trace the problem. The source of the water is from one of the hidden drainage pipes from the utility wash room. However I think the leak is on the neighbours side because I haven't been contacted about any repairs on my side.

So I think I'm off the hook :smile:

However I'm still waiting before I can be 100% sure. The delays could be due to the National days holidays.

Unfortunately my neighbours have too much $$$ to spend on renovations:( I've had pieces of my living room ceiling come off from all the banging & hacking :eek:

So I'm not surprised that leaks can occur.

Hans168 · Aug 10, 2014

If needed be said:
I had couple of experience one from the wall - solved with $350 + 300 plumber n re-tiling. Second: floor in toilet. A company offered $1800 but I got it solved for $650 incl installation of a instant water heater shower............... CK Lim responsible n value for money (albeit I diagnosed it n proposed a solution which plumber accepted...).

A lot of PUB listed companies are simply cut throats incl non listed ones esp when they know you are staying in landed property!!!!!!!!!!

Hans168 · Aug 10, 2014

tanwahp said:
Exactly. If you have never done anything to the floor after buying the unit, chances are the waterproofing has worn out after many years. Like substances losing their properties after years.

Leaks tend to be invisible to the owner of the unit causing the problem, but the droplets will be visible to the below unit. That's why you can't see anything. If you pour a pail of water through a cloth and look above the cloth, all you see is a water mark, but the person standing below the cloth will be drenched.

Even if you hack the flooring, you can't see anything. But after you have repaired the floor, the below neighbour's problem will be solved like magic.

some problems can be solved withchemical micro flooding but it is new stuff n hence expensive,,,,,,!!!!

johnny333 · Aug 10, 2014

Hans168 said:
I had couple of experience one from the wall - solved with $350 + 300 plumber n re-tiling. Second: floor in toilet. A company offered $1800 but I got it solved for $650 incl installation of a instant water heater shower............... CK Lim responsible n value for money. A lot of PUB listed companies are simply cut throats incl non listed ones esp when they know you are staying in landed property!!!!!!!!!!

Contractors have a bad "reputation" .

There is a joke about heaven & hell agreeing to build a road between the 2 places. They each agreed to share the work, heaven would build their 50% & hell would build the other 50%.
In the end only hell managed to complete their 50% of the road. Heaven was unable to do any of the work because all the contractors were in hell :biggrin:

mattthomas12 · Dec 16, 2016

Leckmichamarsch said:
Best solution is to have the floor or area grouted by water proofing blokes using PU........... cost about eight hundred bucks for three points
Plumber not so accurate and they do trial n error
Both are exploitively expensive...................
Our building code needs to be beefed up

If one have to see the cost of Leak Repair then no one can done with it. Everyone want to get spend less but the thing if you want that leak fixed then you have to choose one of the method so that your leakage can get fixed.

Fearless Jedi · Dec 16, 2016

mattthomas12 said:
If one have to see the cost of Leak Repair then no one can done with it. Everyone want to get spend less but the thing if you want that leak fixed then you have to choose one of the method so that your leakage can get fixed.

Hi. Leaks are usually from these areas: air-con trunking, kitchen drainage or shower area. If you can check when the leak occurs most. Activate the source one at a time. Kitchen, then bathrooms one at a time, then air con. Sometimes as in many cases, it may be due to worn out grouting in the shower area. It is a simple and cheap solution but many people omit to check this. They end up spending huge amount of money on the wrong solution. try this, I hope it helps

mattthomas12 · Dec 17, 2016

Fearless Jedi said:
Hi. Leaks are usually from these areas: air-con trunking, kitchen drainage or shower area. If you can check when the leak occurs most. Activate the source one at a time. Kitchen, then bathrooms one at a time, then air con. Sometimes as in many cases, it may be due to worn out grouting in the shower area. It is a simple and cheap solution but many people omit to check this. They end up spending huge amount of money on the wrong solution. try this, I hope it helps

I will surely keep in mind this and will go for this solution.Any more suggestions for repairing the Slab Leak In the Garage.

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