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MH17 : what really happened

neddy

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The motive

Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in Eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin and Putin.


As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off - especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass; and this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of Eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.


The missing air traffic controller

The curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

"The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
"If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
"As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
"The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
"The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

Carlos's assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/20...rport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/ ): the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior - NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andriy Parubiy, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-nazis on Maidan.
 

neddy

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How the West misled us.

The spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post.

Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.
 

jw5

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Fuck Neddy, now look what you have done.

Are you aware that only Scroobal is allowed to make "What Really Happened" posts?

Because only he knows what really happened where this forum is concerned, just like Kuan Yew where the fishing vllage of SG is concerned?

LOL ......................... LOL
 

singveld

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to err is human. someone mistaken a civilian jet as a military cargo jet.
this kind of thing happen in war.

we can also blame the weather which divert the jet slight to the east.

who divert them? the pilots of various airlines under approval of ukraine air controller.
 

neddy

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Suspicious air traffic requests

MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days - and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower?

Also, MH17 was asked to lower its cruising height to Level 330 before the explosion.

Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

It won't happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.
 

singveld

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avoid storm clouds. lah, can blame god or not? if god is actually responsible for the weather.

Suspicious air traffic requests

MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days - and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower?

Also, MH17 was asked to lower its cruising height to Level 330 before the explosion.

Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

It won't happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.
 

neddy

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Fuck Neddy, now look what you have done.

Are you aware that only Scroobal is allowed to make "What Really Happened" posts?

Because only he knows what really happened where this forum is concerned, just like Kuan Yew where the fishing vllage of SG is concerned?

LOL ......................... LOL

Did I jump the gun? LOL!

Anyway, this is the source, http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

I am not as smart as Scroo. I am only O Level.
 

neddy

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to err is human. someone mistaken a civilian jet as a military cargo jet.
this kind of thing happen in war.

we can also blame the weather which divert the jet slight to the east.
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who divert them? the pilots of various airlines under approval of ukraine air controller.

How about the 2 fighter jets following the MH17 secretly.
 

singveld

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How about the 2 fighter jets following the MH17 secretly.

no news i seen talk about fighter plane. there are no fighter plane in action, only fighter bombers. rebel has no air force, who send fighters against them? did you go to NS in singapore? or one of those pes E clerk or store man.
 
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neddy

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no news i seen talk about fighter plane. there are no fighter plane in action, only fighter bombers.

The point is, how much truth and how much spin in this shooting down of MH17.

MAS will be really unlucky if it is a pawn in a deliberate plot to turn the civil war around in Keiv favor as we have seen.

We must not forget that a war is going on over there right now.
 

singveld

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The point is, how much truth and how much spin in this shooting down of MH17.

MAS will be really unlucky if it is a pawn in a deliberate plot to turn the civil war around in Keiv favor as we have seen.

We must not forget that a war is going on over there right now.

no one want to use life of women and children as political games. if you push russia too much, he just send in his force. then what ? NATO dare to come in ? no way. no one want wwIII.
 

neddy

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no one want to use life of women and children as political games. if you push russia too much, he just send in his force. then what ? NATO dare to come in ? no way. no one want wwIII.

Not true.
Hitler in WW2
In recent memories ... Korean war, Vietnam war and Hamas.
In Cold War USSR, the pilot forced to shoot down KAL 007.

In SAF, I was told that Geneva Convention is BS.

NATO has no appetite for war, remember what they did in Bosnia and left the civilians to their death.
 
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chuckyworld

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The point is, how much truth and how much spin in this shooting down of MH17.

MAS will be really unlucky if it is a pawn in a deliberate plot to turn the civil war around in Keiv favor as we have seen.

We must not forget that a war is going on over there right now.

*Why did Ukrainian air traffic control divert flight MH17 to a flight path well north of its intended route, a route already established as being unsafe for air traffic after the destruction of air traffic control facilities in the on-going Ukrainian army/Separatist violence?

*Why has the West been so quick to accept the Ukrainian government “intercepted” conversation between a “Russian Major” and a “Russian separatist” which purports to be a conversation about the shooting down of MH17…this from a government that already has a track record of releasing makey-uppy “intercepted conversations” and why does the version of this conversation uploaded to Youtube have a doctored and erroneous timeline, and why does the video show as having been created the DAY BEFORE flight MH17 was shot down?
 

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*Why did Ukrainian air traffic control divert flight MH17 to a flight path well north of its intended route, a route already established as being unsafe for air traffic after the destruction of air traffic control facilities in the on-going Ukrainian army/Separatist violence?

*Why has the West been so quick to accept the Ukrainian government “intercepted” conversation between a “Russian Major” and a “Russian separatist” which purports to be a conversation about the shooting down of MH17…this from a government that already has a track record of releasing makey-uppy “intercepted conversations” and why does the version of this conversation uploaded to Youtube have a doctored and erroneous timeline, and why does the video show as having been created the DAY BEFORE flight MH17 was shot down?

Why oh why, tell them that it's human nature..
 
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