Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Yes he is right, it happened.
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A Malaysian Airline Boeing was shot down and crashed in Ukraine.
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'They shouldn't be f****** flying. There is a war going on': Moment Russian separatists 'realized they had shot down a jetliner' released by Ukrainian government.
Ukrainian security services claim to have intercepted two phone conversations in which pro-Russian separatists appear to admit to shooting down Flight MH17, railing, 'They shouldn’t be f*****g flying. There is a war going on.'
The Security Service of Ukraine, (SBU) reportedly released recordings of the intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and Russian-backed Cossack militants to the Kiev Post.
The phone calls, which could prove damning to Vladimir Putin, are allegedly from minutes after the crash of the Boeing 777-200 and were apparently made near the village of Chornukhine, which is 50 miles north-west of Donetsk, near to the border with Russia, where the aircraft came down.
Ukrainian security services claim to have intercepted two phone conversations in which pro-Russian separatists appear to admit to shooting down Flight MH17, railing, 'They shouldn’t be f*****g flying. There is a war going on.'
The Security Service of Ukraine, (SBU) reportedly released recordings of the intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and Russian-backed Cossack militants to the Kiev Post.
The phone calls, which could prove damning to Vladimir Putin, are allegedly from minutes after the crash of the Boeing 777-200 and were apparently made near the village of Chornukhine, which is 50 miles north-west of Donetsk, near to the border with Russia, where the aircraft came down.
Re: Breaking New - Malaysia Plane MAS Crash with 295 people in Ukraine
there should be income opportunity right now....i mean lets be realistic,we know what happened to this crash.....its just a fluke and coincidence that such terrible luck happened....theres no way a 3rd accident is going to happen since we know how to prevent it....not fly over Ukraine airspace.....
this stock is dirt cheap right now and buying 10,000 shares is not gonna cost much and i believe theres no way Malaysia is going to let their national airline disintegrate just like that.
there should be income opportunity right now....i mean lets be realistic,we know what happened to this crash.....its just a fluke and coincidence that such terrible luck happened....theres no way a 3rd accident is going to happen since we know how to prevent it....not fly over Ukraine airspace.....
this stock is dirt cheap right now and buying 10,000 shares is not gonna cost much and i believe theres no way Malaysia is going to let their national airline disintegrate just like that.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Is there a link or report on this?
Is there a link or report on this?
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
basically the SAM missile exploded near the plane, the warhead fragmentate into thousands piece, hit engine, fuel lines, cutting the passengers in their seats. Some passengers bleeding and in pain. The engine hit by fragment destroy the engine, the pilot lost control of the plane, the plane fall down from the sky, it reaches terminal velocity and the plane broke apart into 3 parts. So, basically in less than 1 min, it is over.
basically the SAM missile exploded near the plane, the warhead fragmentate into thousands piece, hit engine, fuel lines, cutting the passengers in their seats. Some passengers bleeding and in pain. The engine hit by fragment destroy the engine, the pilot lost control of the plane, the plane fall down from the sky, it reaches terminal velocity and the plane broke apart into 3 parts. So, basically in less than 1 min, it is over.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
It could have been a Singapore Airlines A380, or one its Boeing 772s, that took the missile over eastern Ukraine, in a place no jet airliner should ever, under any circumstances, have been flown.
Three large airliners set off from Amsterdam, Paris and Copenhagen for SE Asia yesterday afternoon European time, all destined to cross the airspace over the eastern Ukraine where one them, the Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER , was to be destroyed by a ground launched missile fired by pro-Russian separatists.
All 298 people on board died. The Malaysia flight MH17 was at 33,000 feet in broad daylight and good visibility in a well travelled corridor deemed ‘safe’ by the air traffic control authorities in Europe and the Ukraine at heights above 32,000 feet on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Some eleven minutes after MH17 had taken off for KL, a Singapore Airlines A380 took off from Paris, also destined to traverse the same airspace, en route to Singapore.
However at the moment MH17 was blown open to fall in flames leaving a nine kilometre long track of bodies and wreckage across separatist held territory, the Paris departure SQ333 was further north and well to the west of the Malaysian flight. It wouldn’t have seen its demise.
About 32 minutes after MH17 had left Amsterdam, another similar 777-200ER, operating SQ351 took off from Copenhagen bound for Singapore via the same skies above a war zone in which two other aircraft had been shot down earlier this week, one a Ukrainian military cargo plane and the other one of its jet fighters.
SQ351 was even further away when the Malaysian flight was butchered by what was almost certainly a Russian BUK surface to air or SAM missile.
As the two unharmed flights, and probably a number of others, safely continued on their journeys, the air traffic authorities in Europe and the Ukraine hastily closed the air routes they had used.
But with 298 people slaughtered this is far too late to head off the outrage being expressed over the fact that the air routes above 32,000 feet were declared safe, and that carriers like Malaysia Airlines and Singapore Airlines had flown where carriers like Qantas and many others had refused to go for at least two months, as the obvious hazards of flying over a war zone where aircraft were already being shot down had become apparent.
What logic, what lack of sensitivity, and what lack of basic decency influenced Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines and others to expose their passengers to these risks. Did-they-even-consider-them? If they did, why did they get it so wrong?
It is clear from the flight maps that for flights between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore and similarly located hubs, less fuel is burned by continuing to use officially ‘safe’ but now suddenly closed as ‘unsafe’ air routes across the Ukraine.
But they burn more passengers. What a terrible, ghastly and hideous failure of duty of care on the part of Malaysia Airlines. And how lucky was Singapore Airlines, and no doubt others?
It could have been a Singapore Airlines A380, or one its Boeing 772s, that took the missile over eastern Ukraine, in a place no jet airliner should ever, under any circumstances, have been flown.
Three large airliners set off from Amsterdam, Paris and Copenhagen for SE Asia yesterday afternoon European time, all destined to cross the airspace over the eastern Ukraine where one them, the Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER , was to be destroyed by a ground launched missile fired by pro-Russian separatists.
All 298 people on board died. The Malaysia flight MH17 was at 33,000 feet in broad daylight and good visibility in a well travelled corridor deemed ‘safe’ by the air traffic control authorities in Europe and the Ukraine at heights above 32,000 feet on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Some eleven minutes after MH17 had taken off for KL, a Singapore Airlines A380 took off from Paris, also destined to traverse the same airspace, en route to Singapore.
However at the moment MH17 was blown open to fall in flames leaving a nine kilometre long track of bodies and wreckage across separatist held territory, the Paris departure SQ333 was further north and well to the west of the Malaysian flight. It wouldn’t have seen its demise.
About 32 minutes after MH17 had left Amsterdam, another similar 777-200ER, operating SQ351 took off from Copenhagen bound for Singapore via the same skies above a war zone in which two other aircraft had been shot down earlier this week, one a Ukrainian military cargo plane and the other one of its jet fighters.
SQ351 was even further away when the Malaysian flight was butchered by what was almost certainly a Russian BUK surface to air or SAM missile.
As the two unharmed flights, and probably a number of others, safely continued on their journeys, the air traffic authorities in Europe and the Ukraine hastily closed the air routes they had used.
But with 298 people slaughtered this is far too late to head off the outrage being expressed over the fact that the air routes above 32,000 feet were declared safe, and that carriers like Malaysia Airlines and Singapore Airlines had flown where carriers like Qantas and many others had refused to go for at least two months, as the obvious hazards of flying over a war zone where aircraft were already being shot down had become apparent.
What logic, what lack of sensitivity, and what lack of basic decency influenced Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines and others to expose their passengers to these risks. Did-they-even-consider-them? If they did, why did they get it so wrong?
It is clear from the flight maps that for flights between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore and similarly located hubs, less fuel is burned by continuing to use officially ‘safe’ but now suddenly closed as ‘unsafe’ air routes across the Ukraine.
But they burn more passengers. What a terrible, ghastly and hideous failure of duty of care on the part of Malaysia Airlines. And how lucky was Singapore Airlines, and no doubt others?
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Sorry , this happened many years ago and although i did read about it i cant provide any info at the moment. I'll try to see if I can source it.
Sorry , this happened many years ago and although i did read about it i cant provide any info at the moment. I'll try to see if I can source it.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Hi singveld, virus was talking about a different incident.
Hi singveld, virus was talking about a different incident.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
i know about the other incident, i just want your view on this flight.
i know about the other incident, i just want your view on this flight.
MORE than 100 AIDS activists, researchers and health workers bound for a major conference in Melbourne were on the Malaysia Airlines flight downed in the Ukraine.
It is believed that delegates to the 20th International AIDS Conference, due to begin on Sunday, will be informed today that 108 of their colleagues and family members died on MH17.
Stunned researchers, activists and development workers arriving at Melbourne Airport paid tribute to AIDS researcher Joep Lange and the other attendees believed killed aboard MH17.
Jonathan Quick, head of a not-for–profit medicine supply company working with the Global Fund and the US government in Africa and Latin America, described Professor Lange as a force for change in HIV/AIDS treatment.
“I remember meeting him back in the late 1990s. He was really driven at a time when there was not much going on in the way of treatment,” he said.
“This is a community in which individuals have moved mountains and it’s also a community that has had regular exposure to horrific loss.”
Mr Quick, who runs Management Sciences for Health, will introduce an address by former High Court judge Michael Kirby at the conference.
Activist and journalist Sean Strub, who runs the New York based POZ magazine, said the conference was shaken by the tragedy and by Professor Lange’s death.
“It’s going to be a very sombre week,’’ he said. “The struggle with the epidemic is bigger than any one individual but the collective loss of so many important people is one that is emotionally devastating.”
Kenyan development worker Perez Odera said she feared the tragedy would dissuade people from flying to conferences such as this.
“I just feel it is very, very unfortunate. It’s something we don’t have control over,’’ she said.
Dr Robert Grant, a researcher from the Gladstone Institute at the University of California, said that on arriving in Melbourne he had heard reports Prof Lange had died.
He declined to say he was speaking about Prof Lange ahead of confirmation of the death, but said a senior colleague — thought to be the Dutch researcher — appeared to have perished.
“It’s incredible. He’s been a mentor to me and an incredible leader in this field. We have published together and I have relied on him for advice and guidance,” he said.
Another delegate, Jennifer Watt, who works for a pharmaceutical company in San Francisco, talked of Prof Lange‘s work in Africa.
“I have worked very closely with him in a number of clinical research projects. He’s very well known and a very passionate person. He’s the father of AIDS research in the developing world,’’ she said.
Another attendee, Houston based community worker Moise Arrah, said the news was devastating. “People were coming here for such a noble cause and then they lose their lives in such a tragedy.”
Prof Lange was a clinical researcher specialising in HIV therapy who served as the International AIDS Society president from 2002 to 2004.
His friend Dr Seema Yasmin, from the US Centers for Disease Control, said Prof Lange was a true humanitarian.
“What a HUGE loss to the world,” she tweeted. “Just learned that dear friend, amazing father to 5 girls and veteran AIDS researcher Joep Lange was on #MH17.”
Australia’s National AIDS Trust paid tribute to Prof Lange.
“Reports Joep Lange died in Malaysian plane crash today, with other scientists on way to AIDS_conference. Desperately sad news,” it said on Twitter.
American academic and AIDS activist Gregg Gonsalves tweeted that “Lots of AIDS researchers, activists, officials on downed Malaysia Airlines flight to Melbourne for Intl AIDS Conference.
“Joep Lange was a leading AIDS researcher and clinician and an activist at heart. Lost today too soon on Malaysian flight 019. RIP.”
A Geneva-based World Health Organisation media adviser, Glenn Thomas, is also believed to be among the dead.
Dr Haileyesus Getahun, coordinator of the WHO’s Global TB program, tweeted: “Saddened to learn that my friend and @WHO staff who was traveling to @AIDS_conference to Melbourne was on flight #MH17. RIP #Glenn Thomas”.
His colleague Dr Rachel Baggaley, of the WHO’s HIV Department, told Vox: “I’m just devastated. He’s a very close colleague whom I work with on a daily basis.
“He just had his birthday, he was going to plan all sorts of celebrations.”
Nicole Schiegg, a former Senior Advisor at USAID, tweeted: “I am still stunned. So sorry & thoughts are with Glenn’s extended @WHO family at this time.
“Glenn was a great guy & will be missed.”
Jennifer Yang, global health reporter at the Toronto Star, tweeted: “So saddened to hear about lovely, funny, whip-smart Glenn.”
Delegates Lucie van Mens, Martine de Schutter, Pim de Kuijer and Jacqueline van Tongeren were also reportedly on the flight.
Dr Van Mens, director of program development and support at the Female Health Company, had been involved in public health, focusing on prevention of STIs and HIV/AIDS, since 1995.
Ms Van Tongeren had worked in the field of HIV/Aids since 1986, and coordinated many HIV/AIDS- and health-related projects. She ran an art gallery in Amsterdam in the 1970s and 1980s and worked closely with Prof Lange.
Organisers of the AIDS 2014 conference in Melbourne are awaiting confirmation of how many delegates were aboard the Malaysian Airlines flight shot down over eastern Ukraine.
International Aids Society president-elect Chris Beyrer issued a brief statement outside the Melbourne Convention Centre, where the world’s leading HIV researchers and scientists, former US president Bill Clinton and philanthropist Bob Geldolf will gather for next week’s conference.
“The International AIDS Society today expressed its sincere sadness at receiving news that colleagues and friends en route to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference taking place in Melbourne, Australia, were on board the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight that has crashed over Ukraine earlier today,” Mr Beyrer said.
“At this incredibly said and sensitive time the IAS stands with our international family and sends condolences to the loved ones of those who have been lost to this tragedy.
“The IAS is hearing unconfirmed reports that some of our friends and colleagues were on board the flight and if that is the case this is a truly sad day.
“The IAS has also heard reports that among the passengers was a former IAS President Joep Lange and if that is the case then the HIV/AIDS movement has truly lost a giant.”
UNAIDS executive director Michel Sidibe tweeted: “My thoughts & prayers to families of those tragically lost on flight #MH17. Many passengers were enroute to #AIDS2014 here in #Melbourne.”
The IAS released a statement today confirming the death of a number of attendees to the 20th Annual AIDS Conference.
“The International AIDS Society (IAS) today expresses its sincere sadness at receiving news that a number of colleagues and friends en route to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference taking place in Melbourne, Australia, were on board the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight that has crashed over Ukraine earlier today,’’ it said.
“At this incredibly sad and sensitive time the IAS stands with our international family and sends condolences to the loved ones of those who have been lost to this tragedy.”
Bill Clinton, Bob Geldof, Michel Sidibe , the executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Mark Dybul, Indonesian Health Minister Nafsiam Mboi, Swedish Ambassador for Global Health Anders Nordstrom are down as speakers at the conference.
It is believed that delegates to the 20th International AIDS Conference, due to begin on Sunday, will be informed today that 108 of their colleagues and family members died on MH17.
Stunned researchers, activists and development workers arriving at Melbourne Airport paid tribute to AIDS researcher Joep Lange and the other attendees believed killed aboard MH17.
Jonathan Quick, head of a not-for–profit medicine supply company working with the Global Fund and the US government in Africa and Latin America, described Professor Lange as a force for change in HIV/AIDS treatment.
“I remember meeting him back in the late 1990s. He was really driven at a time when there was not much going on in the way of treatment,” he said.
“This is a community in which individuals have moved mountains and it’s also a community that has had regular exposure to horrific loss.”
Mr Quick, who runs Management Sciences for Health, will introduce an address by former High Court judge Michael Kirby at the conference.
Activist and journalist Sean Strub, who runs the New York based POZ magazine, said the conference was shaken by the tragedy and by Professor Lange’s death.
“It’s going to be a very sombre week,’’ he said. “The struggle with the epidemic is bigger than any one individual but the collective loss of so many important people is one that is emotionally devastating.”
Kenyan development worker Perez Odera said she feared the tragedy would dissuade people from flying to conferences such as this.
“I just feel it is very, very unfortunate. It’s something we don’t have control over,’’ she said.
Dr Robert Grant, a researcher from the Gladstone Institute at the University of California, said that on arriving in Melbourne he had heard reports Prof Lange had died.
He declined to say he was speaking about Prof Lange ahead of confirmation of the death, but said a senior colleague — thought to be the Dutch researcher — appeared to have perished.
“It’s incredible. He’s been a mentor to me and an incredible leader in this field. We have published together and I have relied on him for advice and guidance,” he said.
Another delegate, Jennifer Watt, who works for a pharmaceutical company in San Francisco, talked of Prof Lange‘s work in Africa.
“I have worked very closely with him in a number of clinical research projects. He’s very well known and a very passionate person. He’s the father of AIDS research in the developing world,’’ she said.
Another attendee, Houston based community worker Moise Arrah, said the news was devastating. “People were coming here for such a noble cause and then they lose their lives in such a tragedy.”
Prof Lange was a clinical researcher specialising in HIV therapy who served as the International AIDS Society president from 2002 to 2004.
His friend Dr Seema Yasmin, from the US Centers for Disease Control, said Prof Lange was a true humanitarian.
“What a HUGE loss to the world,” she tweeted. “Just learned that dear friend, amazing father to 5 girls and veteran AIDS researcher Joep Lange was on #MH17.”
Australia’s National AIDS Trust paid tribute to Prof Lange.
“Reports Joep Lange died in Malaysian plane crash today, with other scientists on way to AIDS_conference. Desperately sad news,” it said on Twitter.
American academic and AIDS activist Gregg Gonsalves tweeted that “Lots of AIDS researchers, activists, officials on downed Malaysia Airlines flight to Melbourne for Intl AIDS Conference.
“Joep Lange was a leading AIDS researcher and clinician and an activist at heart. Lost today too soon on Malaysian flight 019. RIP.”
A Geneva-based World Health Organisation media adviser, Glenn Thomas, is also believed to be among the dead.
Dr Haileyesus Getahun, coordinator of the WHO’s Global TB program, tweeted: “Saddened to learn that my friend and @WHO staff who was traveling to @AIDS_conference to Melbourne was on flight #MH17. RIP #Glenn Thomas”.
His colleague Dr Rachel Baggaley, of the WHO’s HIV Department, told Vox: “I’m just devastated. He’s a very close colleague whom I work with on a daily basis.
“He just had his birthday, he was going to plan all sorts of celebrations.”
Nicole Schiegg, a former Senior Advisor at USAID, tweeted: “I am still stunned. So sorry & thoughts are with Glenn’s extended @WHO family at this time.
“Glenn was a great guy & will be missed.”
Jennifer Yang, global health reporter at the Toronto Star, tweeted: “So saddened to hear about lovely, funny, whip-smart Glenn.”
Delegates Lucie van Mens, Martine de Schutter, Pim de Kuijer and Jacqueline van Tongeren were also reportedly on the flight.
Dr Van Mens, director of program development and support at the Female Health Company, had been involved in public health, focusing on prevention of STIs and HIV/AIDS, since 1995.
Ms Van Tongeren had worked in the field of HIV/Aids since 1986, and coordinated many HIV/AIDS- and health-related projects. She ran an art gallery in Amsterdam in the 1970s and 1980s and worked closely with Prof Lange.
Organisers of the AIDS 2014 conference in Melbourne are awaiting confirmation of how many delegates were aboard the Malaysian Airlines flight shot down over eastern Ukraine.
International Aids Society president-elect Chris Beyrer issued a brief statement outside the Melbourne Convention Centre, where the world’s leading HIV researchers and scientists, former US president Bill Clinton and philanthropist Bob Geldolf will gather for next week’s conference.
“The International AIDS Society today expressed its sincere sadness at receiving news that colleagues and friends en route to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference taking place in Melbourne, Australia, were on board the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight that has crashed over Ukraine earlier today,” Mr Beyrer said.
“At this incredibly said and sensitive time the IAS stands with our international family and sends condolences to the loved ones of those who have been lost to this tragedy.
“The IAS is hearing unconfirmed reports that some of our friends and colleagues were on board the flight and if that is the case this is a truly sad day.
“The IAS has also heard reports that among the passengers was a former IAS President Joep Lange and if that is the case then the HIV/AIDS movement has truly lost a giant.”
UNAIDS executive director Michel Sidibe tweeted: “My thoughts & prayers to families of those tragically lost on flight #MH17. Many passengers were enroute to #AIDS2014 here in #Melbourne.”
The IAS released a statement today confirming the death of a number of attendees to the 20th Annual AIDS Conference.
“The International AIDS Society (IAS) today expresses its sincere sadness at receiving news that a number of colleagues and friends en route to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference taking place in Melbourne, Australia, were on board the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight that has crashed over Ukraine earlier today,’’ it said.
“At this incredibly sad and sensitive time the IAS stands with our international family and sends condolences to the loved ones of those who have been lost to this tragedy.”
Bill Clinton, Bob Geldof, Michel Sidibe , the executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Mark Dybul, Indonesian Health Minister Nafsiam Mboi, Swedish Ambassador for Global Health Anders Nordstrom are down as speakers at the conference.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Ah ok , sorry I misunderstood you. This one seems very straightforward in a way. They just got shot down for some unknown reason, whether intentional or accidental, but to be sure they would have been within the airways.
The airspace over there has been on a constant risk assessment by the authorities such as ICAO and at that time certain portions like Crimea were considered very risky and were to be avoided. Thats just a portion of Ukranian airspace, so MAS and all the other airlines were good to fly there until that point in time.
Now the dynamics would have changed.
Ah ok , sorry I misunderstood you. This one seems very straightforward in a way. They just got shot down for some unknown reason, whether intentional or accidental, but to be sure they would have been within the airways.
The airspace over there has been on a constant risk assessment by the authorities such as ICAO and at that time certain portions like Crimea were considered very risky and were to be avoided. Thats just a portion of Ukranian airspace, so MAS and all the other airlines were good to fly there until that point in time.
Now the dynamics would have changed.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Thanks bro. I do not know about one during air show, but ive heard of haywire missiles during live firing.
Thanks bro. I do not know about one during air show, but ive heard of haywire missiles during live firing.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Own up. Which Russian rebel did it? But no one will otherwise will be executed by Putin.
Own up. Which Russian rebel did it? But no one will otherwise will be executed by Putin.
Hello can give a break down on the nationalities?
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Will the ghosts of those 298 perished continue to haunt the fucking Bloodymir Putin for the rest of his life until his last breath on this planet. This fucking murderer will not sleep in peace henceforth.
Re: Breaking News! Malaysian Aircraft with 295 passengers crashed! again!
Who ask MH and SQ flight to fly in a war zone path? Trying to save fuel?
Who ask MH and SQ flight to fly in a war zone path? Trying to save fuel?
Re: Breaking New - Malaysia Plane MAS Crash with 295 people in Ukraine
I have just sold my 100,000 shares, it is now holding up at around 0.20sen....you can go in & buy if you want, remember the last ditch was 0.12 sen recently, with the 'better' news of another crash....it is with some luck you can make some money. Looks like the 'authorities' are pumping in to support the free fall...but how long, can they hold?
you want to buy...MAS is bankrupt!....in local jargon " damn jialat!":p
I have just sold my 100,000 shares, it is now holding up at around 0.20sen....you can go in & buy if you want, remember the last ditch was 0.12 sen recently, with the 'better' news of another crash....it is with some luck you can make some money. Looks like the 'authorities' are pumping in to support the free fall...but how long, can they hold?
you want to buy...MAS is bankrupt!....in local jargon " damn jialat!":p
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