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91 MPs Attended 7 Jul Sitting, Yet On The Same Day Twice There Were No Quorum To Vote

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Clerk of Parliament: 91 MPs attended 7 Jul sitting
July 17th, 2014 | Author: Online Press

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I refer to Mr Leong Kok Seng’s letter (“Questions over lack of quorum”; Monday).

If Parliament sits without a quorum, it may be adjourned if an MP objects. It will also not be able to pass a Bill.

Subject to these, Parliament can continue to transact other businesses that do not require a decision, such as Question Time.

The sitting on July 7 was attended by 91 MPs and attendances are recorded in the Official Reports and Votes and Proceedings available on the Parliament website.

When the votes on the Bills that were passed on July 7 were taken at the sitting, the quorum was met.

MPs have to seek the Speaker’s permission in writing to be absent from a sitting.

They also have to inform the party Whip if they are unable to attend Parliament on time or have to leave early.



Ng Sheau Jiuan (Ms)
Clerk of Parliament


* Letter appeared in ST Forum (17 Jul)

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Looks like the scums in white MPs did not sat through the entire session.
They just "mark their attendance" and went off to the posh cafe in parliament to lim kopi. :eek::mad:

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By S Y Lee and Leong Sze Hian
We refer to the Clerk of Parliament’s reply “Lack of quorum: Clerk of Parliament replies” (Straits Times Forum, Jul 17) to Mr Leong Kok Seng’s letter (“Questions over lack of quorum” (Jul 14).
91 MPs attendances?
The letter by Clerk of Parliament, Ms Ng Sheau Jiuan states that the sitting on 7 July was attended by 91 MPs and attendances are recorded in the Official Reports and that the Votes and Proceedings are available on the Parliament website.
91 MPs dropped to less than 22?
It is recorded that when amendments to the Radiation Protection Act and the Copyright Act were to be passed on 7 July, Nominated Member of Parliament, Eugene Tan observed that there was no quorum, or the required number of MPs present in the House, as required by the Constitution.
Deputy Speaker of Parliament, Charles Chong, concurred with Mr Tan that the House was one member short of a quorum.
A quorum is one-quarter of the total of 87 elected MPs. That is, 22 MPs.
Does it mean that the number of MPs dwindled down from the “91 MPs and attendances recorded in the Official Reports” on that day, to less than 22 MPs, such that 2 of the Bills almost or could not be passed due to a lack of quorum?
Evasion to answer the questions?
The Clerk of Parliament’s subject reply in our view, may simply have evaded the questions asked by Mr Leong Kok Seng, and more importantly, anyone reading the reply, without the benefit of reading the letter of 14 July or the news report of 8 July, may be non the wiser as to the fact that 2 bills could or almost could not be passed due to a lack of quorum.
Misleading the public?
By saying just that “When the votes on the Bills that were passed on July 7 were taken at the sitting, the quorum was met” – it may at best be not just not answering the questions, but arguably, misleading to the public as well.
Breakdown of the different MPs?
It may also be misleading too from the perspective that as we understand it, the 91 recorded attendances may include the NMPs and NCMPs as well. So, how many elected MPs were actually in attendance or absent out of the 21 MPs who were present? How many from the various political parties? Any breakdown?
How many sought permission?
It is also said that MPs have to seek the Speaker’s permission in writing to be absent from a sitting and to inform the party Whip if they are unable to attend Parliament on time or have to leave early.
Can we have the statistics as to how many MPs have sought “the Speaker’s permission in writing to be absent from a sitting” for how many times, and how many have informed the party Whip if they are unable to attend Parliament on time or have to leave early”?
Did any of the at least 69 MPs (91 attendances recorded – 22 required for quorum) who apparently left early, inform the party Whip (that) they have to leave early?
How often MPs don’t speak at all? Former Ministers speaking only once?
By the way, since we are on the subject of Parliamentary attendances, how about giving the statistics as to how often MPs spoke in Parliament?
For example, I searched the Parliamentary records for Former Minister for National Development, Mah Bow Tan for the Parliamentary sittings of the current 12th Parliament, since the last general elections in 2011 until today, only one results was found. Another search was made on Former Minister for Home Affairs, Wong Kan Seng and also only one result was found. Both former ministers spoke on the motion for the Population White Paper of 6.9 million residents by 2030.
So, does this mean that both former ministers did not say anything in Parliament for the past 2 years and 9 months apart from voicing their support for the Population White Paper?
NCMP spoke 82 times?
For the purpose of comparision, I searched “Lina Chiam” which returned 82 results, for the same period.


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So it was reported that last week in Parliament, not even a quarter of our 87 elected Members of Parliament (MPs) were present to vote for the passage of two Bills. Alerted to the lack of a quorum required to pass a Bill by Nominated MP (NMP) Eugene Tan, the Deputy Speaker rang the division bell to summon the missing MPs, who then, in the words of our mainstream media, “streamed into the Chamber to take their seats after a few minutes.”

Now according to the “Rules of Prudence” issued by the Prime Minister’s Office after GE 2011, “[PAP] MPs are expected to attend all sittings of Parliament.” PAP MPs have to seek the permission of the Party Whip and inform the Whip if they have to be absent during a sitting (see rule no. 23).

The current Party Whip is Gan Kim Yong, who is assisted by his Deputies Amy Khor and Teo Ho Pin. It is not known if the Whip had indeed been notified of the absences.

Intrigued by the whereabouts of our handsomely paid MPs, I did a bit of investigation on our Parliament website. To my disappointment, Votes and Proceedings published by the parliament record neither the number of MPs nor the names of those who vote for a Bill.

The only exception is when a Member calls for a division, in the case of which “the Votes and Proceedings shall include the numbers voting for and against the question, the names of Members so voting and the names of the Members present who abstained from voting”(see Standing Orders of the Singapore Parliament, 30(3)).

This happened on a sitting on 8 February 2013, during which Workers’ Party Low Thia Khiang called for a division to the motion to endorse the controversial Population White Paper. If you need to refresh your memory on who and how many voted for the darned White Paper, you can click on this link.

Nonetheless, Votes and Proceedings do record the MPs who are present and absent on a sitting.

Using the information available, I constructed the following chart which shows the absentee rate of all Members of the 12th Parliament over 82 sittings from October 2011 to May 2014.

No prize for guessing who tops the cohort for absenteeism.

Details of your MP's attendance...........http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/07/17/mps-disappearing-act-lky-holds-record/
 

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So it was reported that last week in Parliament, not even a quarter of our 87 elected Members of Parliament (MPs) were present to vote for the passage of two Bills. Alerted to the lack of a quorum required to pass a Bill by Nominated MP (NMP) Eugene Tan, the Deputy Speaker rang the division bell to summon the missing MPs, who then, in the words of our mainstream media, “streamed into the Chamber to take their seats after a few minutes.”

Now according to the “Rules of Prudence” issued by the Prime Minister’s Office after GE 2011, “[PAP] MPs are expected to attend all sittings of Parliament.” PAP MPs have to seek the permission of the Party Whip and inform the Whip if they have to be absent during a sitting (see rule no. 23).

The current Party Whip is Gan Kim Yong, who is assisted by his Deputies Amy Khor and Teo Ho Pin. It is not known if the Whip had indeed been notified of the absences.

Intrigued by the whereabouts of our handsomely paid MPs, I did a bit of investigation on our Parliament website. To my disappointment, Votes and Proceedings published by the parliament record neither the number of MPs nor the names of those who vote for a Bill.

The only exception is when a Member calls for a division, in the case of which “the Votes and Proceedings shall include the numbers voting for and against the question, the names of Members so voting and the names of the Members present who abstained from voting”(see Standing Orders of the Singapore Parliament, 30(3)).

This happened on a sitting on 8 February 2013, during which Workers’ Party Low Thia Khiang called for a division to the motion to endorse the controversial Population White Paper. If you need to refresh your memory on who and how many voted for the darned White Paper, you can click on this link.

Nonetheless, Votes and Proceedings do record the MPs who are present and absent on a sitting.

Using the information available, I constructed the following chart which shows the absentee rate of all Members of the 12th Parliament over 82 sittings from October 2011 to May 2014.

No prize for guessing who tops the cohort for absenteeism.

Details of your MP's attendance...........http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/07/17/mps-disappearing-act-lky-holds-record/


From the same article.

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Former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew was absent on 64.6% of all 82 sittings. Next to top the list is former Minister Mah Bow Tan (Tampines GRC), who was absent 39% of the time. Raymond Lim Siang Keat (East Coast GRC) took the third place with an absentee rate of 28%, followed by Irene Ng Phek Hoong (Tampines GRC) and Fatimah Lateef (Marine Parade GRC) at a rate of 22%.

Other MPs who scored an absentee rate of close to 20% are Cedric Foo Chee Keng (Pioneer), Inderjit Singh (Ang Mo Kio GRC), and Masagos Zulkifli Bin Masagos Mohamad (Tampines GRC).

Note that three out of the five MPs of Tampines GRC came out tops in absentee rate, resulting in an average absentee rate of 19.27% for the MPs of Tampines GRC.

On the other side of the scale are MPs who clocked zero absenteeism over 82 sittings, namely (in alphabetical order) Chan Chun Sing, Faizal Jamal, Gerald Giam, Heng Chee How, PM Lee Hsien Loong, Lim Biow Chuan,Lim Swee Say, Low Thia Khiang, Muhammad Faishal Ibrahim, Denise Phua, R Dhinakaran, Teo Chee Hean,Lawrence Wong and Zainudin Nordin.

While some may attribute MP’s absenteeism to their other commitments, such as a full-time job and directorships, just looking at the MPs who were present at every Parliament sitting is enough to challenge this argument since the list includes MPs cum Ministers who wear many hats.

As the next General Election is not too far away, voters could take this opportunity to do a mid-term review of their MPs (who’s your MP) and assess if they have performed satisfactorily since GE 2011.

A good starting point is to question your MP about his or her attendance in Parliament and the Bills he has voted for. The next is to search the Parliament reports for what he has advocated in Parliament, and finally, find out what he has done for your constituency so far.



Singapore Armchair Critic

* The author blogs at http://singaporearmchaircritic.wordpress.com/
 

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Goodness . The Pap MPs giving up or what ? Bored by politics ?
 

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If you want full attendance, all you need to do is throw a birthday party for LKY each time Parliament is in session. :wink:
 

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why is the qurom so low?if we only need 25% of the mps present when we pass votes on important legislation or bills or even just during ordinary parliamentary sessions....then just fire the whole lot of them....its not like mps got anything better to do then post pics of their nasi padang on facebook or stupid wayang stories or going around looking for lost tampons and sanitary napkins.

i dont even know what my mp does for christsakes....havent heard a peep or sound from him since the last g.e.
 

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Goodness . The Pap MPs giving up or what ? Bored by politics ?

They have more important things to deal with: golfing, karaoke, fine dining, meeting with their lovers, meeting with their cronies, taking selfies and queuing for chicken wings. :wink:

After all, politics can be quite boring when your party has an overwhelming majority and is probably going to push through any recommendations or legislation. Refer to the Population White Paper or the casino 'debate'. :biggrin:
 

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why is the qurom so low?if we only need 25% of the mps present when we pass votes on important legislation or bills or even just during ordinary parliamentary sessions....then just fire the whole lot of them....its not like mps got anything better to do then post pics of their nasi padang on facebook or stupid wayang stories or going around looking for lost tampons and sanitary napkins.

i dont even know what my mp does for christsakes....havent heard a peep or sound from him since the last g.e.

LOL 25%... I would love to have a job, or attend a course where I can just show up once every four times and still get away with it. :wink:
 

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The funny thing is shit like this is constantly being broadcasted and yet PAP actually have a chance to in fact a more than likely chance to win the next election.
 

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They have more important things to deal with: golfing, karaoke, fine dining, meeting with their lovers, meeting with their cronies, taking selfies and queuing for chicken wings. :wink:

After all, politics can be quite boring when your party has an overwhelming majority and is probably going to push through any recommendations or legislation. Refer to the Population White Paper or the casino 'debate'. :biggrin:

91 can drop to 22? Must be just appear at the beginning and end of the sessions. The rest of the time disappear and go jalan jalan, run errands, cut hair, shopping, watch movies, etc in town.
 

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alamak, pukimak - gaji buta semua ke :confused:
 

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The funny thing is shit like this is constantly being broadcasted and yet PAP actually have a chance to in fact a more than likely chance to win the next election.

yes impressive....u can literally shit on their faces and they would still vote for u.....slap them,punch them,abuse them,they will just take the abuse like a good wife or a pinoy maid....yes ma'am sorry ma'am they will say......dont even need the japanese to come invade us and fuck our ass during wwii....sinkies are truly a bunch of estupido idiotas.....ahhhhhhhh sinkies deserve to be fucked...
 

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Re: 91 MPs Attended 7 Jul Sitting, Yet On The Same Day Twice There Were No Quorum To

On the other side of the scale are MPs who clocked zero absenteeism over 82 sittings, namely (in alphabetical order) Chan Chun Sing, Faizal Jamal, Gerald Giam, Heng Chee How, PM Lee Hsien Loong, Lim Biow Chuan,Lim Swee Say, Low Thia Khiang, Muhammad Faishal Ibrahim, Denise Phua, R Dhinakaran, Teo Chee Hean,Lawrence Wong and Zainudin Nordin.

Chan Chun Sing always want to show off, so he wouldn't miss any opportunity to kee chiu and sing. Teo Chee Hean loves to sleep in Parliament.
 

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Parliament has 91 MPs? For what?
 

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Looks like the scums in white MPs did not sat through the entire session.
They just "mark their attendance" and went off to the posh cafe in parliament to lim kopi. :eek:



i agree
truly scum
paid so much and still want to cheat in this manner
 

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91 can drop to 22? Must be just appear at the beginning and end of the sessions. The rest of the time disappear and go jalan jalan, run errands, cut hair, shopping, watch movies, etc in town.

That is exactly the issue - they clock in but there is no record of how long they stayed and how many times they went to the toilet to check their bank statements.
That is why when you watch parliamentary, you don't get a good view of the chamber low level of attendance.
Even now Blur Josephine Teo and Rin Tin Tin Pei Ling don't turn up - they used to seat behind the speakers' podium.
 

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The PAP Whips must be sacked. Speaker must also be sacked.
 
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