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This plane is one fuck of a big problem. Besides its technical glitches, it is bloody overpriced. It will be more prudent to consider other models that are more down to earth. Not a concern for me, but Peesai should open her views to other makes/models.

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http://www.ibtimes.com/us-grounds-entire-f-35-fleet-pending-engine-inspections-1619446

US Grounds Entire F-35 Fleet Pending Engine Inspections

By Jeff Perlah
on July 04 2014 12:30 AM

The entire fleet of 97 Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jets has been grounded by the United States military until additional inspections of the warplane's single engine built by Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp, are completed, the U.S. military said.
According to statements by the Pentagon and the F-35 program office, directives issued on Thursday ordered the suspension of all F-35 flights following a fire on an Air Force F-35A at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, Reuters reported.
The cause of the June 23 fire, which began as a pilot prepared for takeoff, had not been determined by United States and industry officials, the wire service said. The pilot wasn't injured during the blaze.
The incident was the latest setback facing the Pentagon's costliest weapons program, the $398.6 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Earlier in June, an in-flight oil leak initiated mandatory fleetwide inspections of the jets, according to Reuters.
The fire has compromised plans for an F-35 jet to fly by a naming ceremony for a British aircraft carrier Friday. But preparations were still underway for F-35s to fly in two U.K. air shows in July, yet a final go-ahead would arrive in several days.
"Additional inspections of F-35 engines have been ordered, and return to flight will be determined based on inspection results and analysis of engineering data," the Defense Department noted in a Thursday statement.
Pratt & Whitney said it was working closely with Air Force officials investigating the blaze, Reuters reported.
The F-35 program office will work with the military and industry as engineering findings become analyzed, Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan said.
"We will contribute to the return to flight determination, and will aim to do what is prudent for the enterprise at large without compromising the ongoing mishap investigation," Bogdan said.
 

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Colleague and me were yakking away recently about military weapons, it was raised that weapons were designed to combat certain opponent's systems/models and taken from there. From this point, what is the F-35 designed to come up against? Couldn't think of any, so it was then designed to be expensive and make the contractors shitloads of money! Who is Singapore going to defend from with a fighter like the F-35? Some alien invasion?

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Uncle Sam," Buy F-35."
Sinkieland,"How many?"
 

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[h=1]The $1 trillion F-35 tries to be all things, but succeeds at few, say critics. But is Australia’s new weapon now too big to fail?[/h]



AUSTRALIA has committed its biggest defence outlay ever on an unfinished combat jet critics insist can’t fight, can’t run and can’t hide. Is the F-35 a flop? Angst has been boiling about the F-35 Lightning II (otherwise known as the Joint Strike Fighter) since its inception. Now, five years overdue and six years away from its revised delivery date, that angst has exploded into furore.
The United States, and by virtual default all its key allies, have pinned their hopes on this single project.
In the US it’s been priced at over $1 trillion. Australia is spending around $15 billion.
Advocates insist its is the most advanced killing machine in history — a flying supercomputer pumping an unprecedented level of information into a $500,000 helmet that allows pilots to “see” through the floor of their own aircraft.
Whatever the case, the F-35 was supposed to be an affordable alternative to the far more capable F22 Raptor interceptor fighter.
Now, it’s so expensive — in fact it’s the most costly defence project in history at $1 trillion — it is being seen as “far too big to fail”.
While builder Lockheed Martin may yet succeed in rolling the aircraft off the production line, there are grave doubts in the aircraft’s ability to do the jobs demanded of it.
Critics point to what they call a fundamental flaw in its design: As a cost-savings exercise, it’s supposed to be all things to all people.
For the US Navy, it’s supposed to be an F14 Tomcat interceptor and F/A18 Hornet strike fighter combined.
For the US air force, it’s supposed to do the jobs of the F-16 strike fighter and A10 ground-attack aircraft.
For the US Marines, it’s supposed to be a replacement for their iconic “Jump Jet” Harriers.
The result, critics say, is a cascading series of compromises that has produced an aircraft inadequate to meet any of its functions.
Here’s a look at the causes of the controversy.

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CAN THIS FIGHTER FIGHT?
It’s supposed to clear the skies to keep valuable assets and troops safe.
It’s supposed to sneak past enemy air defences with ease, and deliver its (limited) ordinance with pinpoint accuracy.
It’s supposed to go in rough and dirty to support embattled ground troops — anywhere, anytime.
But defence industry critics are now loudly shouting it isn’t up to any of these tasks. Not mean enough. Not stealthy enough. Especially when put up against its new Russian and Chinese competitors.
It’s underarmed with just two air-to-air missiles and two large bombs, they say.
Advocates insist it can carry an enormous array of modern weapons — and that its speed and manoeuvrability handicaps are negated by its extreme stealth characteristics. You cannot shoot what you cannot see, they argue.
Detractors argue that strapping bombs under the F-35 wings is like putting up a huge neon “shoot me” sign in modern battlefield radar environments. And given that the F-35 is inherently slower and less manoeuvrable than its opponents, it can only carry more than its hidden, but highly limited, internal load at its own risk.
It’s a point the F-35’s competitors have highlighted, using test combat results to try to convince Australia to buy their Russian-based technology instead.
Advocates present the aircraft’s incredibly enhanced battlefield electronics as their trump card. But these Top Secret systems that sound as though they are straight out of a science fiction movie are yet to become fully operational.

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Imposing presence ... Prime Minister Tony Abbott with a mock-up of the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter at RAAF base Fairbairn, in Canberra. Australia has committed to buying more than 70 of the controversial aircraft. Source: News Corp Australia




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Look at me ... current-generation Sukhoi SU-35 fighters are being marketed as a proven alternative to the F-35. Indonesia is proving to be increasingly interested. Source: AFP



FLAWED FUNDAMENTALS?
It may not be sexy, but commonality is the key word: It’s in all the F-35 advertising. It is supposed to do everything from dogfighting to dropping bombs, carrier landings to vertical landings.
Problem is, each has some pretty specific — and strict — requirements. Commonality is not always compatible with capability.
But, commonality sounds good to budget-minded politicians.
It sounds so good Australia is now reassessing its recent purchase of two helicopter-carrying assault ships. Originally designed to operate the AV8 Harrier aircraft for the Spanish navy, the Royal Australian Navy bought a downgraded version optimised for helicopter use only.
The Abbott Government is now considering including 12 of the short takeoff, vertical-landing versions of the JSF, designated the F-35B, among its 72 aircraft order. This would involve a major — and costly — rebuild of the two ships, back up to the original Spanish specifications.
It is this attempt to incorporate the famous Harrier “Jump Jet” capability into the F-35B that has caused many of the aircraft’s problems.
The air force model (F35A) and naval version (F35C) of the fighter have paid a huge price to keep the US Marines happy. Aerodynamically and structurally, compromises had to be made in order to fit such a complex vertical lift mechanism.
“Commonality” decrees that even those versions not carrying the heavy, fuel-hungry and unbalancing engine pointing downwards behind the pilot still have to have the huge hole to accommodate it.
The air force cops a double-whammy: They also don’t need the strong — but heavy — structural reinforcements that a fighter needs to be captured by an aircraft carrier’s arrester hooks, or be catapulted off the deck.
The end result?
All F35s are slower, less manoeuvrable and with less range and lighter payload than machines built to purpose.
The next generation Russian T-50 PAK-FA and the Chinese J20 have proven startlingly sophisticated.
It’s a performance gap reportedly emphasised in simulated combat tests between the F-35 and Russia’s already-in-service Su-35: The Russians repeatedly won. Defence officials have emphatically denied the relevance of this test comparison.
So, are the Marines happy with their super-Harrier that has hobbled the other services so much?
Hopefully. They now have a theoretically capable stealth aircraft that can fly off small flight decks and shattered airfields and sneak behind enemy lines. But Marines are all about slugging it out mano-et-mano in “hot” combat zones, not this “quietly-quietly” stealth business. Would they be bringing a mask to a knife-fight?

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Jack of all trades, master of none? ... a prototype F-35 Lightning II fighter jet at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida. The US military on 22 February 2013 grounded all flights by its F-35 jets after a crack was found in the engine of one of the planes. Source: AP



EXPLODING COSTS
Delivering the dream machine that is all things to all people is proving more difficult than anticipated.
“It is the biggest challenge in the history of military innovation, with a price-tag to match,” one of the projects greatest advocates, Forbes, concedes.
The upshot: Last year the Pentagon Inspector General identified 719 specific problems with the aircraft — ranging from minor through to mission-critical.
Fixing them costs hard cash. Even then, the F-35 fundamental design can only be “fixed” so far.
The F-35 program was initially supposed to be a bargain: A multi-role combat aircraft for everybody at the low, low development price of $US233 billion.
Now, that development price has tipped $US400 billion — and is still rising.
The cost of an individual aircraft was originally touted as being $US75 million. That’s now floating beneath $US150 million each.
Advocates argue this figure is no more in inflation-adjusted terms than the F-16 fighter of the 1970s.
And they point out that the estimated total project cost has fallen from a feared $US1.5 trillion in 2012 to $US1.1 trillion in 2013, and now $US857 billion
Initially promised to be delivered within 10 years, the program’s delivery date is now slipping past 20 years.
Early production aircraft — which are being rolled off the assembly lines before testing is complete — will need more than $US8 billion more in updates and fixes to enable them to fire missiles, navigate and identify the enemy.

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Giant challenge ... Russia’s next-generation T-50 stealth fighter poses a serious challenge to the supremacy of the United States Air Force. Source: Supplied



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New boy on the block ... China has made a huge leap into the realm of stealth aircraft with its J-20 prototypes. Source: Supplied



COMPROMISED CORE?
After all is said and done, the stealthy — secret — jet may not be so secret after all. A US-Iranian citizen was arrested earlier this year attempting to smuggle thousands of Top Secret blueprints, specifications and technical documents relating to the program out of the country.
The F-35 is also high among the list US Federal agencies are investigating as being compromised by Chinese hackers.
Then there is its ability to do the job.
Problems with its abilities to sneak about unobserved are a closely guarded secret, though there are reports of issues including flaking radar-absorbent paints.
There’s the supercomputer: ALIS. The “artificial intelligence” of 24 million lines of code has reportedly proven to be something of a tyrant — refusing to accept everything from spare parts to weapons without “her” specific approval.
Even its core stealth characteristics have already been downgraded. This year the US Navy reduced its order for the new stealth fighter and instead sought to buy more electronic warfare aircraft to “jam” hostile radars.
This may follow reports that new radars being fitted to Chinese and Russian warships and defence installations have been tailored specifically to spot the supposedly stealthy fighter.
This follows a 2006 downgrade in the F-35’s projected stealth rating from “very low observable” to “low observable”.
What this all means for export buyers who will get a downgraded version of the F-35 is no doubt Top Secret, but hopefully not “observable”.
Controversially, Australia was promised by its US ambassador back in 2000 that it would get “the stealthiest aeroplane that anybody outside the United States can acquire”.
But will that be enough given that the aircraft is so inferior to its opponents without its optimal stealth abilities?
The US ambassador again:
“Having said that, the aeroplane will not be exactly the same aeroplane as the United States will have. But it will be a stealth fighter; it will have stealth capabilities; and it will be at the highest level that anyone in the world has outside the United States.”

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In case of emergency ... Prime Minister Tony Abbott inside the cockpit of an F-35 mock-up. There are mounting calls around the world for various governments to abandon the behind schedule, over-budget and allegedly underperforming F-35. Source: News Corp Australia



TOO BIG TO FAIL?
Lockheed Martin has been lobbying hard to keep its flawed program alive for years. A 2013 report reveals it has spent $US159 million on lobbying US politicians alone since 2000. The true figure would be much higher when the governments and officials of a host of nations — including Australia, the United Kingdom and Canada — are taken into account.
And not all press has been against the project: Business news groups such as Forbes have been persistently reporting that all has been progressing positively in Lockheed Martin’s labs.
So will Australia get value for money?
Perhaps.
Australia initially expressed interest in buying 100 examples of this multirole fighter to replace its ageing F/A-18 and F-111 fleet. As prices rose, the number being purchased fell.
The total buy order now stands at a little over 70 F-35s.
But advocates continue to call baloney on critics fears.
They point out that the F-35 program has been delivering test-flight results ahead of its (revised) schedule for the past four years and that production is “ramping up”.
Dr Mark Thomson, analyst at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute, told news.com.au that Australia’s choice of fighters from the international market was limited.
“The alternative to the F35, is a previous generation aircraft designed 15 or 20 years before the F35,” he said. “If Australia wants an up-to-date aircraft that would see it through the next two decades, it was the only choice, but yes, it does cost a lot of money.”
Dr Thomson said there was some people critical of the aircraft’s performance but this was up to the United States to resolve.
“One way or another they are going to have to make this aircraft work,” he said, adding a rebuke to critics second-guessing the F-35 program on limited information.
“It’s an incredible assertion that somehow they got it catastrophically wrong.”
Despite the cacophony of criticism, new nations such as South Korea, Canada and Israel keep lining up in the queue to purchase their own examples.
Is the F-35 flawed beyond redemption?
It can’t be.
All of the Western world’s eggs are in one basket.
If it fails, it will cost the United States the military and technological superiority it has proudly asserted ever since the victory over Germany and Japan in 1945.
*Additional reporting by Charis Chang

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Twilight, or a new dawn? ... An F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant undertakes night flying tests. The troubled fighter has a huge number of hurdles to pass yet before entering active service. Source: Supplied








http://www.news.com.au/technology/t...-too-big-to-fail/story-e6frfrnr-1226950254330
 

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F35 will be the last gap betwn human and robot flying by wire. the difference between 3.5G and higher.

the F38 may be the plane that will blow away competition eventually
 

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There is more than sufficient evidence that the F-35 doesn't live up to performance capabilities, and those who eventually purchase it will be sending money away just to make a handful of people sickeningly rich. No one really benefits.

Let's face it Singapore, the only reason there is a need for a super, great looking jet is for the NDP fly-bys. There is nothing wrong with the current squadrons of F-16s and F-15s for this purpose, but for the sake of upgrading to something more "modern", suggest Saab's Gripen. It looks dazzling, and does not lose out in any area of aerial combat to any of today's jet fighters. Should consider before forking out the monies for the these expensive toys.

http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/

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F-35 program is america greatest con job to cheat money from United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands ,Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Turkey , Israel , south korea, Japan and Singapore.
 

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F-35 program is america greatest con job to cheat money from United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands ,Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Turkey , Israel , south korea, Japan and Singapore.

the Western countries or allies want it to show off they can fly a stealth aircraft (which has little strike capability)
 

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On this note of "stealth," we all can understand why the US might need "stealth" to sneak into russian or chinese (for what??) airspace and destroy some installations, oil storage, blah blah. Or enter into Cuba undetected and destroy their airfields, but what the hell does Peesai need "stealth" for? Who does Peesai have in mind to invade and bomb their installation? If defense is the motive, a good dogfigther/interceptor should be the choice.

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the Western countries or allies want it to show off they can fly a stealth aircraft (which has little strike capability)
 

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On this note of "stealth," we all can understand why the US might need "stealth" to sneak into russian or chinese (for what??) airspace and destroy some installations, oil storage, blah blah. Or enter into Cuba undetected and destroy their airfields, but what the hell does Peesai need "stealth" for? Who does Peesai have in mind to invade and bomb their installation? If defense is the motive, a good dogfigther/interceptor should be the choice.

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to stealthy bomb SDP HQ.
 

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dont u guys find it funny that we adhere to the philosophy of "cheaper better faster" in every aspect of our lives....our buses are made in china,our mrt trains are made in china,our hdb are built by china roads are built by bangra and china.....but when it comes to buying pieces of military equipment.....instead of looking for the cheapest and most sexiest russian technology out there....we are paying out of our arseholes for crap american tech...

FUCK U CHEEBYE SAF WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME U HEARD OF ANYONE BUYING FORD CARS OR GM CARS OR DELOREANS OR HUMMER OR PONTIAC OR SAAB???
 
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Major Canadian newspaper carries article where it appears that the Canadian government questions the need for the country to purchase expensive and "unnecessary" military hardware. Canada has played a contributory role in peacekeeping efforts in troubled areas over the world and now wonders what role will a jet fighter take in these endeavours. She may eventually cave-in to big US corporate interests, but at least some opposing noise is being heard in parliament.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...not-need-fighter-jets-period/article19503129/

Canada does not need fighter jets, period

CHARLES NIXON
Contributed to The Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Jul. 08 2014, 7:36 AM EDT
Last updated Tuesday, Jul. 08 2014, 7:38 AM EDT
C.R. (Buzz) Nixon was deputy minister of National Defence from 1975 to 1983.

It appears Ottawa has put on hold its decision to purchase next-generation F-35 fighter jets. It should go one step further and junk the purchase of any new fighters, period – saving $45-billion in the process. Canada does not need fighter aircraft.
New Canadian fighters would almost certainly never be involved in serious strike or aerial combat operations and are not required to protect Canada’s populace or sovereignty. They would only be of symbolic assistance (such as Canada currently is doing in Eastern Europe via NATO) and could provide support of ground forces in low-combat hostilities, which could be had more effectively and at lower cost by other types of aircraft.
The only credible aerial threat to Canadian territory, sovereignty and populace is a copy-cat “9/11” attack – a danger that essentially cannot be defeated by fighter aircraft.
Natural disasters at home or abroad would not require fighters, but could require helicopters, transport aircraft and other forms of military assistance.
Canada could be involved in providing humanitarian relief, peace-keeping or to help maintain order and protection of people and property - a type of operation would not likely involve aerial combat, but could require aerial support to ground operations. This type of operation could be provided more effectively and at lower cost than by using fighters.
The more-demanding roles for fighter aircraft – aerial combat and striking – would occur during an intense war involving major powers, which have F-35 or comparable (“Gen 5”) aircraft and also have the economic ability to fully engage in heightened warfare. The only credible foreseeable future situation where that could pertain would be a highly improbable war between the United States and China. Russia is – and will be for decades – a weak economic and military power trying to play a significant role in world affairs, moving gradually closer to the western industrialized nations and not exhibiting a perceptible effort to build up offensive military capabilities. For the foreseeable future, despite current tensions re Ukraine, Russia will not aggressively challenge the United States or its allies, in which case Canada does not need fighters for defence of Western Europe.
In the most unlikely event of war between U.S. and China, it is difficult if not impossible to concoct a credible scenario which would merit Canada providing Gen 5 aircraft.
Fighters simply cannot contribute anything substantial toward the achievement of the six Canadian defence objectives. The best course for the Harper government would be to defer any further decisions on military equipment procurement pending a thorough rethink about Canada’s defence posture.
A rethink should start with a study, analysis and assessment of the foreseeable state and trends of the world and the action of the major nations. It would then be possible, with the perspective such a study should provide, to specify the roles that the Canadian Forces may be called upon to discharge, and therefore indicate the size, organization and equipment that the Forces – land, sea and air – should have for the 21st century. The result would be a report more substantial and specific than the weak and specious out-of-date Canada First Defence Strategy.
 

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Ever saw the movie "Pentagon Wars" based on actual events on the Bradley fighting machine..... The F-35 reminds of that farcical events portrayed in that movie...
Wonder if the Israelies are thinking of buying the F-35, you can bet if they do , they will make sure it is not in the current specs that is being used, like the Bradley or M113 which was better speced than the Bradley.
 
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Ever saw the movie "Pentagon Wars" based on actual events on the Bradley fighting machine..... The F-35 reminds of that farcical events portrayed in that movie...
Wonder if the Israelies are thinking of buying the F-35, you can bet if they do , they will make sure it is not in the current specs that is being used, like the Bradley or M113 which was better speced than the Bradley.

The Israelis are buying it, read wikipedia.
 
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