Will China hold together as a united country

There is a little talked about but extremely important line in China -- the 15 inch isohyet. East of this line, rainfall exceed 15 inches per year, crops can grow in relatively fertile soil, and there is a chance to get out of the misery of poverty. West of this line, rainfall is less than 15 inches per year, and poverty is a permanent feature of the landscape.

You can see this line here: http://s983.photobucket.com/user/drstats/media/BRF/china/china-popdensity.jpg.html

Not surprisingly, most of the population of China is concentrated east and south of the 15 inch line, and forms the land of the ethnic Han Chinese.

The west of the line serve as buffer regions for China which are crucial geopolitically to protect the Chinese heartland from incursion.

However the question is whether China will be able to hold on to its buffer regions west of the 15 inch isohyet in the coming decades. We are already seeing the first signs of trouble arising from vast economic inequality. We are also seeing the end throes of the 30 year long Chinese economic miracle.

When China matures, can it hold itself together? We will see this work itself out over the next 30 years. I suspect a few surprises might be in store.

tiongland should offer displaced fukushima japs a sizable chunk of land in their frigid north and desert west for permanent settlement. japs can develop townships with jap schools and language, but must learn to speak mandarin to be part of overall inland economy. that's one way of tearing down barriers between the two cuntries and forever put history and bad blood to rest. at the same time, land next to the wakhan corridor (perineum of afghanistan kar chng to china chee bye) should be offered to sinkies for development and settlement so as to save sinkies from eventual extermination in a restless and explosive region. :p

eatshitndie said:

tiongland should offer displaced fukushima japs a sizable chunk of land in their frigid north and desert west for permanent settlement. japs can develop townships with jap schools and language, but must learn to speak mandarin to be part of overall inland economy. that's one way of tearing down barriers between the two cuntries and forever put history and bad blood to rest. at the same time, land next to the wakhan corridor (perineum of afghanistan kar chng to china chee bye) should be offered to sinkies for development and settlement so as to save sinkies from eventual extermination in a restless and explosive region. :p

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u are mad,japs will never respect tiong dogs(less than 5% of japs think positively of tiongs)....even i find it hard to respect tiong dogs.

Will India be held together? Will usa be held together?

Jah_rastafar_I said:

Will India be held together? Will usa be held together?

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yes USA must be held together,if not God help us all.i support communist but China and Russia is a combination that cannot be trusted.

frenchbriefs said:

yes USA must be held together,if not God help us all.i support communist but China and Russia is a combination that cannot be trusted.

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As long as the USA remains the centre of gravity of the global economic system, it will hold together. However, watch out for Mexico. That country is a silent dog. Within a few decades Mexico will have grown by leaps and bounds and the border with the US will have become heavily Mexicanised.

The Han Chinese mind and philosophy is still based on mandate from heaven. They have never understood or appreciated politics where citizens are treated as equals and have right to be involved, Their focus is therefore an instinct for self-survival for those below or near the poverty line and entrepreneurship for those who are better off.

In times of trouble there will be dissension and even rebellion but there is no intention to take territory or carve out a patch of land for political or political self determination.

It is one of the reason why the British and the Japanese despite their much smaller numbers could overwhelm the country. It does not mean the Chinese will readily cooperate or be easily subjugated. Both the British and Japanese found out conquest was one thing but subjugation was totally a different proposition and paid dearly.

Only the British found the Chinese secret much later and went into trade and found synergy in Chinese entrepreneurship. Hong Kong remains the shining example of that meeting of the minds.

So yes to holding together but internal rebellion as cry for help.

Thick Face Black Heart said:

As long as the USA remains the centre of gravity of the global economic system, it will hold together. However, watch out for Mexico. That country is a silent dog. Within a few decades Mexico will have grown by leaps and bounds and the border with the US will have become heavily Mexicanised.

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The usa faces problems in keeping united. Many states are bankrupt, whites are decreasing in number and minorities like Hispanics are becoming stronger. Richer states are being bogged by poorer states and there have been petitions by some states to cede from the us.

Costa Rica has so many yellow cards - 4 and one red card.
Greece has 2 yellow cards.....

Sinkie said:

Costa Rica has so many yellow cards - 4 and one red card.
Greece has 2 yellow cards.....

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you post in wrong thread huh?

First my article on Sinkieland as a failing state/failed state now this...

eatshitndie said:

you post in wrong thread huh?

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lol!!!..........

scroobal said:

In times of trouble there will be dissension and even rebellion but there is no intention to take territory or carve out a patch of land for political or political self determination.

So yes to holding together but internal rebellion as cry for help.

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Interesting perspective. Looks like the most likely scenario is that the impoverished regions will try to create as much headache for the central govt, which will in turn be forced to focus their energies inwards. Central govt must maintain absolute power and authority, and delicate balancing acts will often be required.

Jah_rastafar_I said:

The usa faces problems in keeping united. Many states are bankrupt, whites are decreasing in number and minorities like Hispanics are becoming stronger. Richer states are being bogged by poorer states and there have been petitions by some states to cede from the us.

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USA cessation petitions are done by the reincarnations of Harbans Singh who are merely out for attention.

Some states may find themselves in financial ruin but the way the monetary system is structured, no one will be allowed to fail. The Fed has a printing press, remember?

scroobal said:

The Han Chinese mind and philosophy is still based on mandate from heaven. They have never understood or appreciated politics where citizens are treated as equals and have right to be involved, Their focus is therefore an instinct for self-survival for those below or near the poverty line and entrepreneurship for those who are better off.

In times of trouble there will be dissension and even rebellion but there is no intention to take territory or carve out a patch of land for political or political self determination.

It is one of the reason why the British and the Japanese despite their much smaller numbers could overwhelm the country. It does not mean the Chinese will readily cooperate or be easily subjugated. Both the British and Japanese found out conquest was one thing but subjugation was totally a different proposition and paid dearly.

Only the British found the Chinese secret much later and went into trade and found synergy in Chinese entrepreneurship. Hong Kong remains the shining example of that meeting of the minds.

So yes to holding together but internal rebellion as cry for help.

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You're wrong on all counts.

The monarchy mentality is well and truly dead and mind you those were the manchus that ruled. If china fucked up during the last periods of the qing it was cause of the manchus not the han chinese.

If not please explain why taiwan and hk which are run by chinese have democracy? The way you are trying to put things is that somehow it's genetically imprinted in the chinese to have this type of son of heaven run society and if that were true as you put it well HK and taiwanese society of today would not exist. If you want to ues PRC as an example and how they run the govt today then might i ask you why would so many different countries adopt communism? Doesn't this mean that it isn't racial in nature like you put it by using the mandate of heaven but rather a social trait that any race could adopt? Mind you the mandate of heaven is just how monarchies in the past used to rule in which the king himself had sole authority and he did whatever he pleased with very little else to oppose him. All monarchies the world over used to do this and some even manage to do it even today. Take the sultan of johor doesn't his rule sound like a mandate from heaven? Isn't his offspring going to take over him and not someone else with more capability? So please stop trying to solely pin such a mentality on chinese ppl that they don't adopt today.


Another grouse i have with you is on the brits and the japs taking on china during those day. Did you know the brits and the japs did it to many many peoples too? Indians, africans, middle eastern ppl, russians etc goes on and on. The japs defeated the russians mind you. What you are trying to post right here is to somehow just solely blame china for its defeats to these 2 nations when nations the world over also fell to them. Also china needed a combined force of 8 nations to fight it. 8!! Sounds rather unfair but what is even worse are people like you that leave out these details and try to paint china as some failure when many many many other nations are bigger failures.

You see that is the problem with many ppl when they mention china and chinese as a whole mind you not china chinese but all chinese worldwide. People only mention the negative points of chinese ppl but totally ignore all their good points. You're the type of person that would change chinese ppl's hardworking ethic to that of being souless and greedy or totally ignore their hardworking ethic to just focus on something negative about them. The most ironic thing of all is you're chinese yourself and rest assured when ppl judge you they judge you just like how you judge chinese or rather china people. They will only look at your negative pts, ignore your positive ones or change your positive ones into negative ones.

Being racially aware i know why you would think like this. You dissociate yourself from ppl of china but that is not how others look at you. You dissociate yourself from the less eductaed sinkies and probably those chinese educated ones seeing yourself as "superior". A lot of chinese ppl try to dissociate themselves from other chinese and think they are superior. Like the english educated vs the chinese educated. The spgs with ang moh bfs from their chinese male counterparts. It's all so fucking stupid and the worst thing about this is showing it to them and pointing it out to them and they still won't get it.

Thick Face Black Heart said:

USA cessation petitions are done by the reincarnations of Harbans Singh who are merely out for attention.

Some states may find themselves in financial ruin but the way the monetary system is structured, no one will be allowed to fail. The Fed has a printing press, remember?

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Nope it doesn't work like this. It's really stressing the country to the breaking point. These are real issues and some states really want to cede. Take the nation of astlan that the latinos in the southern US states want to take texas from the US and form their own nation.

Hey wait a minute you're plain 100% bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

The issue here isn't about secession of states in the US or any country but rather your biasness.

Why are you insistent that the US or any other big country won't break up but china or rather you hope china will?

The way you put how those us cessation peitions are done by crazy ppl like harban singh well i can easily say the same of china too. Those ppl are also harban singh reincarnations too.

Jah_rastafar_I said:

Nope it doesn't work like this. It's really stressing the country to the breaking point. These are real issues and some states really want to cede. Take the nation of astlan that the latinos in the southern US states want to take texas from the US and form their own nation.

Hey wait a minute you're plain 100% bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

The issue here isn't about secession of states in the US or any country but rather your biasness.

Why are you insistent that the US or any other big country won't break up but china or rather you hope china will?

The way you put how those us cessation peitions are done by crazy ppl like harban singh well i can easily say the same of china too. Those ppl are also harban singh reincarnations too.

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You posted the Wikipedia article knowing full well that it provides mainly a historical account. The USA of today is totally different from the USA of the 18th/19th century. Then it was much poorer - which is what China is on a per capita basis today. Also, the USA had a doctrine discouraging it from interfering with the affairs of the world. Today, it has the opposite doctrine. Not only is the USA the only superpower in the world, it actively interferes with world affairs in order to sustain its dominant position. No country in such a position breaks up easily - not when there is so much money to be made and so much power to be shared by being a single monolithic entity. We are talking here not of ordinary political power, but the power of a global economic and military superpower.

My Harbans Singh analogy is spot on because the late HS belonged to a by-gone era, and his brand of comical politics is no longer practiced by serious opposition politicians.

Let me also say here that the 21st century will be the century of the United States. All world affairs will revolve around the USA - not china or russia or any other country. And the US will control and shape the world in ways people cannot even begin to imagine today. Not many people realise that. But soon, people will.

nobody say USA will break up or collapse,it will still be a rich and powerful country like japan and germany but it will assume a less dominant role in the 21st century....china does not have to assert its dominance,we can already feel the power and effects of china in every aspect of our lives.....tiongs are unstoppable.....tiongs like cockroaches will take over the world.and im more afraid of tiongs then im afraid of ang mohs....even though im chinese....we all know americans are lazy and stupid...its easy to handle lazy and stupid....tiongs are a different breed.....even the average tiong is ruthless and merciless....the average american population just do not have the drive and hunger that the chinese have.

Thick Face Black Heart said:

You posted the Wikipedia article knowing full well that it provides mainly a historical account. The USA of today is totally different from the USA of the 18th/19th century. Then it was much poorer - which is what China is on a per capita basis today. Also, the USA had a doctrine discouraging it from interfering with the affairs of the world. Today, it has the opposite doctrine. Not only is the USA the only superpower in the world, it actively interferes with world affairs in order to sustain its dominant position. No country in such a position breaks up easily - not when there is so much money to be made and so much power to be shared by being a single monolithic entity. We are talking here not of ordinary political power, but the power of a global economic and military superpower.

My Harbans Singh analogy is spot on because the late HS belonged to a by-gone era, and his brand of comical politics is no longer practiced by serious opposition politicians.

Let me also say here that the 21st century will be the century of the United States. All world affairs will revolve around the USA - not china or russia or any other country. And the US will control and shape the world in ways people cannot even begin to imagine today. Not many people realise that. But soon, people will.

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frenchbriefs said:

nobody say USA will break up or collapse,it will still be a rich and powerful country like japan and germany but it will assume a less dominant role in the 21st century....china does not have to assert its dominance,we can already feel the power and effects of china in every aspect of our lives.....tiongs are unstoppable.....tiongs like cockroaches will take over the world.

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I believe the US will in fact play a more dominant role in the 21st century. They will shape world affairs to their advantage. We can see how they play China, Japan and the rest of Asia off against each other. They will repeat this game worldwide wherever there are geopolitical hot spots. When Russia faces its 2nd defeat within the next decade, the US will have proven itself to be the only superpower.

China will grow and export its citizens to the rest of the world, but that does not equate to dominance in world affairs. In fact they will become more inward looking as they struggle with domestic problems. The skirmishes I suspect are meant as a distraction and to stir up nationalistic sentiment which historically have been very successful in uniting the country.

Japan will become more aggressive and militant and there will come a point where they will be at loggerheads with the US. Japan also has a good Navy. China does not.

Thick Face Black Heart said:

I believe the US will in fact play a more dominant role in the 21st century. They will shape world affairs to their advantage. We can see how they play China, Japan and the rest of Asia off against each other. They will repeat this game worldwide wherever there are geopolitical hot spots. When Russia faces its 2nd defeat within the next decade, the US will have proven itself to be the only superpower.

China will grow and export its citizens to the rest of the world, but that does not equate to dominance in world affairs. In fact they will become more inward looking as they struggle with domestic problems. The skirmishes I suspect are meant as a distraction and to stir up nationalistic sentiment which historically have been very successful in uniting the country.

Japan will become more aggressive and militant and there will come a point where they will be at loggerheads with the US. Japan also has a good Navy. China does not.

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russia face its 2nd defeat from where?its only enemy was United states back in the 50s to 70s but now its reasserting its dominance in europe by doing whatever the fuck it wants and US unable to stop them,with china's backing Russia knows USA have their hands tied.....Putin himself said times have changed,Russia now has means and resources and technology that previously werent at its disposal and USA is now playing a different ball game.

China and Russia was isolationist....but now they are the complete opposite,look how much china has expanded globally,China not only exports its citizens,they literally have a finger in every economic pie in every country in the world,in every continent,u can even find chinese in the depths of africa.....like algae spreading across oceans,China will infect the world like the t virus.

i dont think US is in any way or shape capable of playing or even negotiating with russia and china,russia and china has already showed US that they are not the big boys around and they can take whatever territory they want and invade any country they want.....make all the noise u want.....USA is no longer the big bully in the yard.