Minister Hen: RSAF has robust defence for SInkiepore airspace

blindswordsman · Apr 16, 2014

Papsmearer said:
... There are people here who claim that we need a strong military force to defend against external military aggression from other countries .. Than you have to ask the question why than do we need such a big defence budget of $12 billion knowing what we know about our neighbours and what they can do. The answer is that we don't, so why is all the money going to the weapons making companies of other countries and providing boosts to their economies.

Which neighbours have hostile intention now? Indo chief also now said sorry; Najib and LHL are abang adek now. White hair recently gave $$ millions to pinoy land. $12 billion spent just to show neighbours SG can afford new weaponry so don't play play with pappies. China is big brother. Japan not interested in kacang puteh sinkie land, the Japs are more worried about crazy ah pui kia in DPRK.

frenchbriefs · Apr 16, 2014

Papsmearer said:
It does not matter how many man it takes to defend against 1 enemy attacker. the question u have not addressed is how are they going to get the men from Indonesia to here? By Sampans? Ferries? LST? What? The indonesian navy is a joke. Everyone knows this. Talk is cheap, but the actual logisitics of landing even a small force of 5,000 is very beyond their capability.

U assuming the indo have to zham 150000 men at once like machiam this is some sort of qing dynasty romance of 3kingdom vs Alexander the great battle.remember this is Singapore we are talking about not Normandy beach of the entire freaking europe.annexing us is as easy as annexing Crimea.

There are many stealthy ways of going about it.remember titanic could carry 1300 passengers a cargo ship today can easily carry more.they can pack a couple of cargo ships full of men and supplies and when it arrives at Singapore for inspection 10,000 men will rappel off the ship like pirates and storm Singapore capturing vital buildings.and trust me sinkies are not capable of handling anything by surprise thanks to their puny brains(that isnt textbook predicted scenarios or rehearsed) I.e. India riots and causeway.10,000 guerillas charging the capital will paralyze them

palden · Apr 16, 2014

Talk so much, when something really happen, everything will not work and everyone show maximum restraint. Afterwards will have COI and geylang will Kenna raid again.

Papsmearer said:
What, for all 710 sq km of airspace? LOL. Sinkie airspace is the most heavily defended airspace in the history of the world. Got missiles, fighters, AA guns, radar, AWAC etc. for 710 sq km. More heavily defended than Berlin in WW2, more heavily defended than Hanoi during the Vietnam war or Baghdad during GW1. Also most difficult to find, enemy fighter on supersonic will fly across SIngapore in 2 seconds, so they must approach slowly and carefully, easier for RSAF to shoot them. We are once again Lumber 1 in the world for something. This is where your $12 billion defense budget goes. Song Boh?

SINGAPORE: The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) has a robust air defence system to monitor the skies and protect the sovereignty of the country's airspace.

Minister for Defence Ng Eng Hen said this in a written Parliamentary reply to Non-Constituency Member of Parliament Gerald Giam.

Dr Ng said RSAF works closely with the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore to detect and identify aircraft through its suite of radars before they enter Singapore's airspace.

If an aircraft veers off its flight path, a series of preventive measures will be triggered.

First, air traffic controllers will communicate with the aircraft to verify its reason for veering off its flight path.

If there are doubts regarding the intent of the aircraft or the aircraft does not adhere to air traffic control directions, RSAF fighter aircraft will be activated to intercept the aircraft.

Ground-based air defence systems will also be activated.

Papsmearer · Apr 16, 2014

frenchbriefs said:
U assuming the indo have to zham 150000 men at once like machiam this is some sort of qing dynasty romance of 3kingdom vs Alexander the great battle.remember this is Singapore we are talking about not Normandy beach of the entire freaking europe.annexing us is as easy as annexing Crimea.

There are many stealthy ways of going about it.remember titanic could carry 1300 passengers a cargo ship today can easily carry more.they can pack a couple of cargo ships full of men and supplies and when it arrives at Singapore for inspection 10,000 men will rappel off the ship like pirates and storm Singapore capturing vital buildings.and trust me sinkies are not capable of handling anything by surprise thanks to their puny brains(that isnt textbook predicted scenarios or rehearsed) I.e. India riots and causeway.10,000 guerillas charging the capital will paralyze them

Ok, let's examine the logic of your statement. Obviously, the cargo ships that these attackers will be coming in are not going to be container ships. So, only coasters, freighters, and maybe passenger ships. So, there are only a few areas they can dock. They are not going to be able to bring their tanks, there is no way to load them on these types of ships, and the same probably for their artillery. So, these attackers are going in with personal and section weapons, and no transports. So, they commandeer buses, and lorries and drive to their objectives? Of course, by now, armed men running around the streets hijacking vehicles will be reported to the police, and we can be sure MINDEF would have been alerted too. Gun battles would already be started at the cruise ship terminal between the security there and the attackers. I can see them securing key installations like the broadcast stations, Parliament, etc. They can even hold those buildings with their forces, but than, all the police and the standing army would be activated. Than what? 10,000 attackers, even 20,000 is not enough to conquer and hold the island. What would be the point of sending 10,000 attackers to paralyze the govt.? They can easily do it through other non military means. If they stop all trade with singapore, close the border to singapore, etc. it will have a paralyzing effect on us too. These 10,000 attackers will be sacrificed eventually, they are not going to hold out forever. Even without reservists, the standing SAF force and SPF can take care of it. Especially once we roll out the armour and artillery. Even if we did not have the Leos, and Bionix and only had the 80's era M113 and AMX-13 and KP tanks, the attackers will still be overwhelmed. They have to keep landing ship after cargo ship of men to even have a chance to hold the land. You can be sure during the fighting, nationalities from many countries will be killed and wounded. You think their govt. going to stand by and do nothing to Indonesia? If the objective is to paralyze Singapore, there are other ways to do it. What you say does not make military sense.

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

sleaguepunter said:
the money go to somebody retirement funds lah. kickbacks of even 1% already very substantial. industry norm kickbacks for defense contract cannot be a lousy percent.

Yes, i suspect this is the case. The arms industry is one of the most corrupt businesses. Defence contractors are always caught giving out bribes.

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

Liquigas said:
Yes, we have the most powerful air defence in SE Asia but what is very important for a tiny nation like us with a short coastline is that our SAF must ensure that enemy troops are not allowed to land at all. Mindef HQ for example is a mere 8 km from the shore ...

U don't understand the situation. Even if we want to welcome a large enemy force with open arms, how do any of the neighbours land a large troop contingent here (say over 50,000 soldiers) on our shorelines? They neither have the naval or airborne capability to land even a fraction of that number. Fantasy is fine, reality is another thing.

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

winnipegjets said:
World War 2 strategy is no longer used lah.

U mean amphibious assaults are no longer used? Really? Someone forgot to tell the US NAvy.

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

yellowarse said:
Top 3 developed nations by defence expenditure (%GDP):
1. USA 4.7% of GDP
2. Israel 6.3%
3. Singapore 4.3%

US is the world's only superpower. Israel is in the midst of war with neighbours who have called for its annihilation. Singapore?

Anyone who thinks that our astronomical defence budget is geared towards defending an indefensible outcrop of land with zilch natural resources should have his head examined.

It's time that Sinkies pulled their finger out from their collective buttholes and stopped drip-feeding on Pappy propaganda.

Myth: We need to build a powerful defence force with first-strike capability to deter the terrorist Malays around us from running amok and attacking this island.

Fact: Singapore is largely indefensible. Turn off the tap, cut off the food supply at the causeway and 2nd link, and we're toast without a single rocket being launched or a single marine landing on our beaches. The Pappies know that; you don't. They know there's no clear and present danger of any military conflict among our immediate neighbours given the tightly intertwined economies, vested interests and cross-ownership of assets; you don't.

Myth: We spend loads of money just so that we can build the most powerful force in S.E. Asia.

Fact: Balls. We spend loads of money just so that we can build an army that will never be independent but forever be beholden to the ruling party by rotating high-ranking officers and paper generals through fixed terms, paying them obscene salaries, and retiring them to cushy directorships in GLCs or to ministerial positions in the highest paid cabinet in the world. Just so that in a freak election, the tanks will roll in over our dead bodies. And old fart can sleep peacefully in his Istana mansion guarded by 3 shifts of Gurkhas round the clock. The Pappies know this; you don't.

Myth: A large portion of the $12.2 bil we spend a year goes to state-of-the-art equipment that enables us to maintain military superiority over our neighbours.

Fact: Lumpah. Most of our defence money goes into technology transfers from overseas OEM to our defence contractors like ST Eng (Temasek-owned) just so that we can make and customize more weapons and export them. Few know that S'pore is the world's 20th largest arms exporter. And where do the profits from this arms trade go? Into the pockets of the Lee family and the connected elite. The Pappies know this; you don't.

Myth: Defence spending is to make S'pore safe for Singaporeans from external threats.

Fact: Now old fart's balls are laffin'. Defence spending is to secure the the survival of the PAP regime and ensure the safety of the Lee family and their cronies.

You are spot on. The Jews and the AMericans have been playing to the Leegime's paranoia for decades. I am sure they must be playing the muslim bogeyman card to them, and scare the idiots into buying all their shiny new expensive weapons so that they their economy can benefit. Lee Con You is a sucker.

frenchbriefs · Apr 17, 2014

Papsmearer said:
Ok, let's examine the logic of your statement. Obviously, the cargo ships that these attackers will be coming in are not going to be container ships. So, only coasters, freighters, and maybe passenger ships. So, there are only a few areas they can dock. They are not going to be able to bring their tanks, there is no way to load them on these types of ships, and the same probably for their artillery. So, these attackers are going in with personal and section weapons, and no transports. So, they commandeer buses, and lorries and drive to their objectives? Of course, by now, armed men running around the streets hijacking vehicles will be reported to the police, and we can be sure MINDEF would have been alerted too. Gun battles would already be started at the cruise ship terminal between the security there and the attackers. I can see them securing key installations like the broadcast stations, Parliament, etc. They can even hold those buildings with their forces, but than, all the police and the standing army would be activated. Than what? 10,000 attackers, even 20,000 is not enough to conquer and hold the island. What would be the point of sending 10,000 attackers to paralyze the govt.? They can easily do it through other non military means. If they stop all trade with singapore, close the border to singapore, etc. it will have a paralyzing effect on us too. These 10,000 attackers will be sacrificed eventually, they are not going to hold out forever. Even without reservists, the standing SAF force and SPF can take care of it. Especially once we roll out the armour and artillery. Even if we did not have the Leos, and Bionix and only had the 80's era M113 and AMX-13 and KP tanks, the attackers will still be overwhelmed. They have to keep landing ship after cargo ship of men to even have a chance to hold the land. You can be sure during the fighting, nationalities from many countries will be killed and wounded. You think their govt. going to stand by and do nothing to Indonesia? If the objective is to paralyze Singapore, there are other ways to do it. What you say does not make military sense.

Ahahahaha bro I like ur story....even better than lord of rings.will dragons be swooping out of the nests at oxley rd to breathe fire and brimstone at the attackers at the ferry terminal? Will there be hordes of orcs and zerglings charging the Indonesia's at east coast beach.will gandalf Lee summon the wrath of lightning down upon the indo fleet?10,000 attackers will be sacrificed lmao.in imagination u can write until got dragon got tiger but this is what happens in reality.....saf commanders will be shouting in confusion telling NS men to hurry up with the sandbags they are coming.the NS men and NSF will put up some joke blockade on the beach that couldn't stop a cow.our GU niangs and pussies sad ah boys to men will be shutting on their pants on the beach because all they ever did on life was practise their IAIA drills and shoot a bunch of targets once or twice during NS.while their attackers have been hunting wild boars in Sumatra jungle with their knives or fighting some insurgency war in aceh.

Froggy · Apr 17, 2014

All you military experts, its bloody 9 pages now, enough or not? Can start new threads please?

kukubird58 · Apr 17, 2014

hahaha...as usual, my idol going viral and his head getting bigger by the day......

let me give u my personal experience based on a number of major acquisitions I was personally involved....these were done by DSTA and contracts were signed directly with the vendors (US/European/Israelis; etc)...DSTA/MINDEF personnel did not have any kickbacks in these cases....
sometimes, if ST companies want to do business, they may have to go through middlemen in that particular country rather than deal directly with the government/defence ministry...in this case, any kickbacks/greasing the palms; etc...are done by the middlemen (consultants/representatives; etc)......
the caveat applies...if u have evidence .....produce them, if not it is not fair to malign DSTA/MINDEF personnel without evidence.

winnipegjets · Apr 17, 2014

Papsmearer said:
U mean amphibious assaults are no longer used? Really? Someone forgot to tell the US NAvy.

An avalanche of missiles will hit sinkapore ...after that, then the troops will land with ZERO resistance.

Anyway, I totally agree with you that spending on defence is a pure waste of money.

winnipegjets · Apr 17, 2014

kukubird58 said:
hahaha...as usual, my idol going viral and his head getting bigger by the day......

let me give u my personal experience based on a number of major acquisitions I am personally involved....these are done by DSTA and contracts are signed directly with the vendors (US/European/Israelis; etc)...DSTA/MINDEF personnel do not have any kickbacks in these cases....
sometimes, if ST companies want to do business, they may have to go through middlemen in that particular country rather than deal directly with the government/defence ministry...in this case, any kickbacks/greasing the palms; etc...are done by the middlemen (consultants/representatives; etc)......
the caveat applies...if u have evidence .....produce them, if not it is not fair to malign DSTA/MINDEF personnel without evidence.

You think the PAP ministers are clean? It is almost impossible to get evidence of corruption of the elites in sinkapore.

kukubird58 · Apr 17, 2014

winnipegjets said:
You think the PAP ministers are clean? It is almost impossible to get evidence of corruption of the elites in sinkapore.

hahaha....I do not rub shoulders with the ministars so I don't know.....
however, I know many DSTA personnel doing acquisitions and I can vouch that there were no kickbacks.

anyway...a few ministars/senior civil servants had been caught before....

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

kukubird58 said:
hahaha....I do not rub shoulders with the ministars so I don't know.....
however, I know many DSTA personnel doing acquisitions and I can vouch that there were no kickbacks.

anyway...a few ministars/senior civil servants had been caught before....

Boy, you dumber than I thought. Your many friends in DSTA will tell you if they take kickback meh? hahahaha They are so honest and upfront with you that they will tell you if they take kickbacks or not? They show you their bank account, ah? Are you their backside fuck buddy? When they take kickbacks, u are the last asshole they tell. Unless during pillow talk it comes out:

Kukubird: Boy that was a fantastic bum fucking. I love it deep in my asshole.
DSTA friend: For you, Anytime kuku.
Kukubird: By the way, can you settle argument for me or not? My idol PAPsmearer say you all at DSTA got take kickbacks. Real or not?
DSTA friend: Aiyah, Kuku, where got such thing. Look into my eyes when I tell you I never take kickbacks. smooch smooch.
Kukubird: Ok, than, I vouch for you.

Is this how it when?

kukubird58 · Apr 17, 2014

Papsmearer said:
Boy, you dumber than I thought. Your many friends in DSTA will tell you if they take kickback meh? hahahaha They are so honest and upfront with you that they will tell you if they take kickbacks or not? They show you their bank account, ah? Are you their backside fuck buddy? When they take kickbacks, u are the last asshole they tell. Unless during pillow talk it comes out:

Kukubird: Boy that was a fantastic bum fucking. I love it deep in my asshole.
DSTA friend: For you, Anytime kuku.
Kukubird: By the way, can you settle argument for me or not? My idol PAPsmearer say you all at DSTA got take kickbacks. Real or not?
DSTA friend: Aiyah, Kuku, where got such thing. Look into my eyes when I tell you I never take kickbacks. smooch smooch.
Kukubird: Ok, than, I vouch for you.

Is this how it when?

hahaha.....I expected the idiot to do this.....he is not as smart as scroobal to act dumb when needed....
double confirmed loud mouthed empty vessel.....
I had said I was personally involved.....nvm that...
next he said got show bank book or not???

my simple question to papsmearer is why you said they got kickbacks....got bank books to prove or not???
u are just an attention seeking whore who only knows how to make allegations lah....u want the cake and eat it all the time.

Papsmearer · Apr 17, 2014

joetys said:
All you military experts, its bloody 9 pages now, enough or not? Can start new threads please?

If you don't like it, get lost. Who is forcing u to come to this thread?

steffychun · Apr 17, 2014

winnipegjets said:
An avalanche of missiles will hit sinkapore ...after that, then the troops will land with ZERO resistance.

Anyway, I totally agree with you that spending on defence is a pure waste of money.

yeah yeah that's why you get 1802 points

winnipegjets · Apr 17, 2014

steffychun said:
yeah yeah that's why you get 1802 points

1802 missiles fired at sinkapore ...will sinkapore still be around? Where will the MIW be?

steffychun · Apr 17, 2014

winnipegjets said:
1802 missiles fired at sinkapore ...will sinkapore still be around? Where will the MIW be?

they supposedly built bunkers.

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