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NS-man death coroner’s inquiry: captain not clear about mental illness

nutbush

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http://theindependent.sg/ns-man-death-coroners-inquiry-captain-not-clear-about-mental-illness/

A key witness to a national serviceman’s death case, Captain Jessie Goh, said in court today she was not clear of the severity of his mental condition at the early stage of his enlistment.

Today was the second coroner’s inquest into the death of 22-year-old Ganesh Pillay when he was in National Service.

“When I heard the word ‘schizophrenia’ initially, the first thought that came into my mind was split-personality,” said Goh.

Ganesh’s psychiatrist, Dr Ngui diagnosed Ganesh with schizophrenia and obsessive-compulsive disorder in 2011.

Until she received a letter from Dr Ngui in April 2013, she claimed that she thought Ganesh was having depression and was “sad”.

On July 5 2013, Ganesh was found dead at the foot of his apartment in Sengkang after his lieutenant gave him “14 extras” as punishment. This is equivalent to additional duties in camp for about 2 months.

She chronicled her encounter with Ganesh from the day he was transferred to her camp in November 7 2012. She was his manpower officer.

From an initial interview with Ganesh, she thought that he had depression and was seeing a private doctor once a month. She knew he took a pill each night, prescribed by his doctor.

When asked in court what she thought of his condition, she said: “I thought he was just being sad. Further on, I understood that his friends had bullied him at school. He might just have problems making friends or (having) people whom he can talk to and understand him.”

According to her initial understanding, she said people who saw psychiatrists were people who might need someone to talk to and might not need medical attention.

She said she never asked why he was having problems with his personal daily routines or pry further about his depression.

This was because Goh felt he was improving in the camp from November 2012 to March 2013. She cited Ganesh’s efforts to make posters for the office, an activity he enjoyed. It was a sign he was opening up, she said.

Yet Goh said she knew there were times Ganesh forgot to brush his teeth. She said his running t-shirt was dirty too. In March, she said Ganesh could not distinguish the dirty laundry from the clean ones. The judge asked if she thought this might be related to his condition.

“No, from my understanding, his mother does all these things at home for him.”

“On hindsight, I do not see it as a mental condition. They [people like Ganesh] may be very dependent on their mothers to do these chores for them. They are not taught how to do these chores themselves, maybe. So many of them are not prepared for the military life.”

Goh said that, as far as she was concerned, there were no military psychiatric courses available to her. But she conceded that Ganesh was not the first soldier she encountered with “such problems”.

“Since I found out about his depression, I had put a lot more effort to show him care and concern more than any other soldier.”

She noted that other soldiers who committed similar wrongdoings as Ganesh were given much harsher punishments.

“We, as a unit, have been giving him a lot of chances. We, as a unit, have been helping him along the way, but there are consequences for every wrongdoing.

“He has to learn. And while he is learning the consequences of his wrongdoing, I will help him gain his bearings.”



MORE TO COME. The hearing will resume this afternoon.
 

Leongsam

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These nut cases should be thrown into the detention barracks for good.
 

nutbush

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i was almost thrown into DB during reservist, besides, SAF should give me a medal for serving 7 weekends during my safinco training when i was a nsf...:o

but i am a real fighter, later in my posting, my inchits(the pioneers) and me are like brothers, taught me a lot of things that no other CSMs can...history of konfrontasi and so on...:rolleyes:
 
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halsey02

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These nut cases should be thrown into the detention barracks for good.

Sure man!..throw in the camp Manpower officer in there for a orientation too...during my days, we had one, who with a loaded rifle of 20 rounds at the firing range, who was a Jehovah witness....sat under the tree & started mumbling...

SAF just love these nut cases......I dived for cover so fast...& I had an ah heh cook, who uses his socks as coffee filter & a store man who drew out a brand new parang & chased the RSM round the camp....& a driver on the bend, took the jeep & ran it like a race car driver during exercises...

SAF....home of the nut cases....Detention barracks part of Woodbridge Hospital now known as I aM Home...:biggrin:
 

Tuayapeh

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so net net wtf is this all about?


all swept under the carpet....


wtf is the SAF gonna pay to his parents for the last 22 yrs?

22x1.5k???


NBCCB.....................
 

Leongsam

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wtf is the SAF gonna pay to his parents for the last 22 yrs?

22x1.5k???

The parents should be fined 22x1.5k for bringing a nut case into this world and burdening the rest of society for 22 years.
 

Tuayapeh

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The parents should be fined 22x1.5k for bringing a nut case into this world and burdening the rest of society for 22 years.





spoken like a true fascist-nazi cunt....


makes me wonder why you dun wanna come back to work for this pap government.....or they regard your tactics a little too mild and exotic for them?



:biggrin:
 

laksaboy

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These nut cases should be thrown into the detention barracks for good.

And endanger the inmates and the MPs working there? Not a good idea.

It's the CMPB pre-enlistment that's not being thorough.

How many boys with potentially fatal heart conditions have been given PES A or PES B? :rolleyes:

Mindef doesn't care until some NS boy dies, then the usual PR malarkey starts.
 

laksaboy

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Sure man!..throw in the camp Manpower officer in there for a orientation too...during my days, we had one, who with a loaded rifle of 20 rounds at the firing range, who was a Jehovah witness....sat under the tree & started mumbling...

SAF just love these nut cases......I dived for cover so fast...& I had an ah heh cook, who uses his socks as coffee filter & a store man who drew out a brand new parang & chased the RSM round the camp....& a driver on the bend, took the jeep & ran it like a race car driver during exercises...

SAF....home of the nut cases....Detention barracks part of Woodbridge Hospital now known as I aM Home...:biggrin:

Jehovah Witnesses are no more loonier than those weekend Christians you see hopping about and speaking in tongues at megachurches.

The problem is that Mindef/SAF can't let the conscientious objectors have their way, otherwise its big money conscription business goes tits up without enough enlistees. That's why one is branded a cult while another is not.

It's PAP's beloved 'pragmatism'. It's social control.
 

Leongsam

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spoken like a true fascist-nazi cunt....

I'm not a fascist. I'm a practical person who believes in the law of natural selection and am of the view that it should be allowed to operate the way nature intended.

Freaks, retards and nut jobs have no place in society. We have become too touchy, feely for our own good.
 

Tuayapeh

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I'm not a fascist. I'm a practical person who believes in the law of natural selection and am of the view that it should be allowed to operate the way nature intended.

Freaks, retards and nut jobs have no place in society. We have become too touchy, feely for our own good.





yeah cull them like how they do it in Sparta......
 

winnipegjets

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That's the quality of officer we have in the SAF. Surely, she could have googled to find out what was schizoprehia. Nah, she had no initiative to do that or choose not to.

These are the type of officers that will receive friendly fire when war breaks out.
 

Tuayapeh

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That's the quality of officer we have in the SAF. Surely, she could have googled to find out what was schizoprehia. Nah, she had no initiative to do that or choose not to.

These are the type of officers that will receive friendly fire when war breaks out.






u forgot that the SAF will always be the SAF......


and wtf kind of quality do you expect from a SAF clown ossifer>>?????



hhahahahahahahah
 

mojito

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yeah cull them like how they do it in Sparta......

An excellent suggestion my friend. Modern day norms dictate that we need to carry out genocide in the most humane way. That is why we have come up with the Wipe.... i mean White Paper. Truly a marvel. Hitler would have been proud.
 

Leongsam

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That's the quality of officer we have in the SAF. Surely, she could have googled to find out what was schizoprehia. Nah, she had no initiative to do that or choose not to.

These are the type of officers that will receive friendly fire when war breaks out.

It is not a training officer's job to pass judgement on medical matters.

If a trainee is declared fit to go through a training program, the training officer's job is to train everyone according a format and judge performance impartially using the same yardstick for all trainees.

If there is any error, it's in the medical classification of this nut case by the medical board.
 

Tuayapeh

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An excellent suggestion my friend. Modern day norms dictate that we need to carry out genocide in the most humane way. That is why we have come up with the Wipe.... i mean White Paper. Truly a marvel. Hitler would have been proud.





push/price/retrench the sinkie stock out and let them either runroad/jump in front of mrt/out of a building with their kids...........


either way gets rid of all of them right?






fwah....these PAP cbkiahs are really something else.....they got it all figured out....

and there i was thinking that boss Sam still needs gas ovens......






he is indeed too mild for these fuckers........




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makapaaa

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“We, as a unit, have been giving him a lot of chances. We, as a unit, have been helping him along the way, but there are consequences for every wrongdoing.

“He has to learn. And while he is learning the consequences of his wrongdoing, I will help him gain his bearings.”

=> FTrash: heeheehee
 

blindswordsman

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Is there contributory negligence in the death of this young soldier which caused him to take his own life in 2013?

He was diagnosed with a mental condition in 2011 and was posted to the camp in 2012 where he was punished for his wrong doings just like an ordinary normal NS soldier. How could his mental condition be unknown when he was enlisted? Why was his medical condition not taken into consideration before punishing him? His letter of 2011 should have qualified him for a discharge on medical grounds to avoid NS.
 

frenchbriefs

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It is not a training officer's job to pass judgement on medical matters.

If a trainee is declared fit to go through a training program, the training officer's job is to train everyone according a format and judge performance impartially using the same yardstick for all trainees.

If there is any error, it's in the medical classification of this nut case by the medical board.

I hope when u go back for ICT one of those nutcases shout "this is my rifle,there are many others but this one's mine " and shoot u with a seven six two millimeter full metal jacket.
 
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