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Ng Chai Jiu He - Decision to send SOC took unacceptably long. U think?

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Too many scholars add to many layers of bureaucracy, and now he admits that the procedure should be streamlined. I have a tip for him. Go and look at all your procedures, not only Riot Control, and you will find that many of them can be streamlined too. I don't understand why the Riot Police/SOC cannot be activated right away. If the rioting turns out to be nothing, they can be called back to Mt Vernon. Or else, just treat it as a training exercise. They should have already been activated and on the way, while the cockups are running around getting approval for their deployment. If approval not given, they can always turn back and return to camp.

SINGAPORE: The decision to send specially-trained troops to deal with the Little India riot on December 8 last year ought to have been faster.

Commissioner of Police Ng Joo Hee said the time taken before a decision was made to send the troops was unacceptably long.

He was testifying on Tuesday at the Committee of Inquiry hearing into last year's riot.

He also said that while the police performance in Little India may not have been perfect, it was far from inadequate.

It took 18 minutes before approval was given to send the Special Operations Command (SOC) -- the riot control force -- to the riot site.


This request was made at 10.45pm by ASP Jonathan Tang, the third police officer to arrive at the incident site.


Ng admitted that this was "unacceptably long".


He said: "I will readily admit the failings, our failings on that night, and the first failing is communications and sense-making.


"Our communications were non-existent; our sense-making was almost zero. That is something we really need to work on."


He also admitted that the process leading up to troops being sent was "far too cumbersome".


He said he has asked for the process to be streamlined, and this has already been done.


Previously, the police divisional commander would need to seek approval from the head of operations at the Police Headquarters before activating the SOC.


But now, the police divisional commander can activate the SOC directly.


This will serve to significantly cut down the time between the first request and formal clearance for the troops to move out.


Ng also defended his officers' decision to not fire warning shots and commended them for keeping their heads cool as their restraint meant no lives were lost unnecessarily.


He also said the police can only fire a warning shot only to put an immediate end to violence by getting a person's attention and to signal the police's intention to use lethal force.


But he said it was "highly improbable" that a warning shot would have stopped the rioting that night.


He also addressed criticism of the perceived inaction by the first responders.


He said police first responders are neither trained nor equipped to fight a riot and hence it would be "irresponsible" to ask them to.


Ng said: "The assertion and expectation that the 50 or so first responders -- who had walked into a riot and found themselves stranded and dislocated in several small groups -- who are untrained in public order tactics and armed with a few shields, and no other protection, should have somehow been able to launch a coordinated assault on the several hundred rioters facing them, and then bring the mayhem to an immediate end is speculative at best."

He added that training police patrolmen to be effective riot fighters will not only be costly but also impossible, given the level of resourcing and their current shift system.


One of the main concerns highlighted by Ng was the manpower constraints that the Singapore Police Force is facing.


Currently, the police-population ratio stands at 1:614 and he said this is exceedingly low, especially when compared with other cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong.


He also made a plea to the committee for another 1,000 police officers.


This would allow for more resources to be assigned to hotspots like Little India and Geylang, and for first responder resources to be beefed up.
 

Faidenk

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Did he or did he not end the statement with the disclaimer 'It was an honest mistake, let's move on?'
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aerobwala

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State's media today reported that key findings on Little India riot from COI were (i) Alcohol was a major factor in the riot, (ii) no deep-seated unhappiness was found among the foreign workers.

Hereinto, they better import another 1000 Gurkha solider soonest possible and cut down their SOPs on activating ANG_CHAR as there are lot of potential flash points in Singapore everyday and every weekend, eg, Geylang, Boat Quay, Clark Quay, Orchard Tower, Holland Village, Dempsey Hill...and etc.
 

congo9

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These scholars are creating layers and layers of work so that they can be justified for their fat pay cheque. It one of the many ways to protect your position in the company. Nothing new.

The word here "Justification"
 

blindswordsman

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First responding PO at the scene, who holds the rank of at least an inspector, should have the right to activate the ang chia instead of waiting for approval from commanders. This is the realistic streamline needed for implementation. By the time divisional head is found, provided he is found and ready for action, it is often too late. Another streamline is to let patrol men have the right to fire warning shots when they face mortal danger. Telling them to exercise maximum restraint is to put their lives in danger.

Commanders sitting on their arse in cool comfort offices without ideas about dealing with the ground are useless. Another streamline needed is to put the Commissioner, Deputy Commissioner, etc on patrol once a month in sensitive areas like Geylang, Little India, etc to let them see and feel the crime situation at ground level. They see nothing, feel nothing and hear nothing while sitting in ivory towers. Many kinds of streamlines are needed if you are willing to change and adapt. Otherwise, it is still status quo.
 

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Currently, the police-population ratio stands at 1:614 and he said this is exceedingly low, especially when compared with other cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong.

This kind of fucking lies he dares to tell the COI. What a fucktard!!
Police force strenght 38,587 (2012 numbers) according to Wikipedia. At a 614:1 ratio, the population of SIngapore must be 614 x 38,587 - 23,692,418.
Wah lan, the population of Singapore is over 23 million meh? I thought gay Loong promised to stop at 6.9 million. 23 million, this island sink beneath the waves already from the weight of its humanity. The COI must be a big wayang and porlumpar not to question this number. Pull out calculator can already tell he is lying.
 
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congo9

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Commanders sitting on their arse in cool comfort offices without ideas about dealing with the ground are useless. Another streamline needed is to put the Commissioner, Deputy Commissioner, etc on patrol once a month in sensitive areas like Geylang, Little India, etc to let them see and feel the crime situation at ground level. They see nothing, feel nothing and hear nothing while sitting in ivory towers. Many kinds of streamlines are needed if you are willing to change and adapt. Otherwise, it is still status quo.[/QUOTE]

Let him go on the ground and feel the pulse on the ground. Remember that faithful night, while the riot happens. The PAP has their own mini OSCAR going on.
 

kukubird58

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hahaha...the empty vessel appears to be paid based on nos. of threads started.....lol.
as usual he thinks he know better than the CP giving testimony during COI regarding police-pop ratio.....
his source- Wikipedia.....truly retarded.
 

Leongsam

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Any incident involving CSJ and his sister would have resulted in approval in less than 30 seconds.
 

borom

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When you have an armed uniformed group mostly used to handling soft situations like guarding/filming approved gatherings in Sim Lim Sq, rounding up opposition party members, raiding massage parlours, arresting streetwalkers, and rounding up workers without work permits,this is what happened-unable to deal even with unarmed civilians.

Just transpose this to another type of armed uniform group ("managed " by even more scholars at the top and mostly staffed by conscripts ) that has to deal with trained and armed aggressors - just imagine what would happen.
Would these incompetent bookworms send our kids to an untimely end?

Not enough manpower in police , shut down the Anti-vice department and sub it out to Aetos or transfer it to MOM/Social Welfare. Reduce staffing in ISD.
How about the number of police used as outriders escorts and as guards/security personnel for ministers and their families and residence.
They should start by reducing the number of bodyguards for LKY and families.
 
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GoldenDragon

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Suggestion for Comdrs to activate SOC was made in the 90s. It was rejected. Only Dir Ops boleh. Silly. Comdrs wont suka suka activae. If can trust them run a police division, cant trust them to make the right call to activate SOC?
 

halsey02

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Any incident involving CSJ and his sister would have resulted in approval in less than 30 seconds.

30 seconds is too long....it is immediate action!, you never did NS I presume? IA! never heard of it??:rolleyes:
 
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Hereinto, they better import another 1000 Gurkha solider soonest possible and cut down their SOPs on activating ANG_CHAR as there are lot of potential flash points in Singapore everyday and every weekend, eg, Geylang, Boat Quay, Clark Quay, Orchard Tower, Holland Village, Dempsey Hill...and etc.

The Gurkhas are used to jaga the ministers' residences, not for policing.
 

winnipegjets

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hahaha...the empty vessel appears to be paid based on nos. of threads started.....lol.
as usual he thinks he know better than the CP giving testimony during COI regarding police-pop ratio.....
his source- Wikipedia.....truly retarded.

The CP should have been fired over this. Likewise the Home Affairs minister. That is accountability. Instead we are fed this bullshit to justify incompetence.
 
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hahaha...the empty vessel appears to be paid based on nos. of threads started.....lol.
as usual he thinks he know better than the CP giving testimony during COI regarding police-pop ratio.....
his source- Wikipedia.....truly retarded.

Ok, you are so smart? we are all waiting for the right numbers and proper source from you. where is it? My numbers on the police force is wrong? Where are your numbers and where is your source? Don't have right? Fucktards like you only know how to come here and mouth off, but nothing concrete at all. Its amazing that you live to the age that you have, given your utter stupidity.
 

kiwibird7

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Those who have done NS or taken part in NDP would already know the organisational SOP entails a lot of wasting time waiting around doing nothing, so the long delays and response time in the Little India Riots is no surprise at all.
 

GoldenDragon

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Those who have done NS or taken part in NDP would already know the organisational SOP entails a lot of wasting time waiting around doing nothing, so the long delays and response time in the Little India Riots is no surprise at all.

True. It's in their culture. No need to account to anyone the wastage in manpower and costs involved. Still recall those days when had to wake up at 4am to go firing. Arrived at Maju range at 6am but by the time firing commences, 8 plus. In between, chobolan.
 

Charlie99

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True. It's in their culture. No need to account to anyone the wastage in manpower and costs involved. Still recall those days when had to wake up at 4am to go firing. Arrived at Maju range at 6am but by the time firing commences, 8 plus. In between, chobolan.

That is the part which pissed me off, because an extra hour of sleep to 5am or 5:30am, was critical to me at that time.
 
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