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MH370 - PAP IBs quick to shift blame to MAS and KLIA

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must search for the tape recorder.

Actually should corner more big sharks to the area, sharks eat rubbish and may shallow the recorder too and later found in Australia.



It is pointless. All passengers and cabin crew have been taken by Poseidon (or Dragon King of the Eastern Sea, if you incline towards the oriental).

So what if you recover a few mangled spare parts? Are you going to recycle them and make a new aircraft? :rolleyes:
 

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Gravity la aiyo
 

sochi2014

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the asians did it.

Missing MAS flight: Passengers with stolen passport had 'Asian features'


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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia's Home Minister, Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad*Zahid*Hamidi*said two passengers who used stolen passports to board a Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing with 239 people aboard had "Asian facial features", according to a report.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished over waters somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam early Saturday about an hour after taking off.

Fears of a terror attack have surfaced after it was revealed that at least two passengers boarded the plane with stolen passports - one from Italy and one from Austria. The passport owners have been found to be safe.

"I am still puzzled how come (immigration officers) cannot think: an Italian and Austrian but with Asian facial features," Home Minister Zahid Hamidi was quoted as saying late Sunday by Malaysia's national news agency Bernama.

The report did not elaborate. Malaysian officials had earlier said they were examining CCTV images of the passengers.

"We will conduct an internal probe, particularly on the officers who were on duty at the KLIA (Kuala Lumpur International Airport) immigration counter during flight MH370," Zahid said.

Vietnamese searchers late on Sunday spotted debris off their coast but it has not been confirmed whether that was from the missing plane.

Malaysia's Transport Minister said Sunday the Government was looking into the possibility of a terror incident and was liasing with intelligence agencies of other countries including the US Federal Bureau of Investigation. - AFP
 

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It is possible that they will never find the missing aircraft:confused:

It could end up like the mystery of the missing Amelia Earhart.
 

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SING BOON POK KO: Missing Malaysia Airlines plane ‘crashes off Vietnam’

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 has reportedly crashed into the sea off Vietnam with 239 people on board.
State media there says the aircraft came down near Vietnam’s Tho Chu Island. Malaysian authorities
have not yet confirmed the crash and say no wreckage has been found. A search is underway.


Contact was lost two hours into the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing where relatives faced an agonising wait after Flight 370 was shown to be delayed on the arrivals board.


Most of those travelling on the flight were Chinese and Malaysian but passengers were of 14 nationalities, among them Australians, Americans and French citizens.


If the crash is confirmed, it would mark the second fatal accident involving a Boeing 777 in less than a year.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/08/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-off-vietnam/


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silly yunan mayor announced in chinese media that the missing plane was not related to thexinjiang separtists who slashed and killed many in kunming trainstation in china. i hope he will eat his words or get fired once the wreckages have been recovered.
 

tanwahtiu

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do you know that airplane landing speed is the same speed at taking off?

That is airplane must hit over 18O knots (V2) before it take lift off. Airplane need to fly in at 180 knots into the air strip and at 7m above ground (at height of 2 storey building) kill the engine power straight away.

At this crucial few moments if not done correctly airplane will spilt into 2 if kill engine power too early that is 350 ton crashed onto the ground. If done too late will land bumpy or skid and shoot beyond the airstrip.



 
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more evidences linking to terrorists

OFFICIALS have revealed that five passengers checked in to fly on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 — but didn’t board the plane.
Their luggage was taken off the plane but it is not clear how they fit in to the mystery of the vanished jet.
Speaking at a press briefing in Kuala Lumpur today, the director-general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation said a huge international search had failed to find any wreckage from the Boeing 777, let alone the plane itself.
Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said authorities were mystified after a search involving 34 planes, 40 ships and more than 100 people had been unable to locate any trace of the aircraft.
“We have not found anything that appears to be an object from the aircraft, let alone the aircraft," he announced.
READ MORE: TEARS FLOW FOR MISSING AUSTRALIANS
He said countries from around the region and the world were contributing to the search effort and it would continue until they had answers.
“Every second, every hour, we are looking at every inch of the sea,” he said.
“We are looking at all angles of what could possibly happen on that flight,” Mr Rahman explained when asked if there could have been an explosion onboard.
“Also there is talk about possible hijack and this is not discounted. We are looking at every angle. We are looking at every aspect of what could have happened.”
He said the Malaysian authorities were “equally puzzled” — as all aviation experts were — about what had happened to the plane.
“A mystery is how you can put it,” he said.
 
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If after 3 months still cannot find any parts, not a single parts, then there is a possibility that is not being mentioned at all, the plane has flown out of the ozone layer into the outer space lor
 

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jialat plane was stolen in broad daylight

i hope they dun harm those people on board.

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Malaysian Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya and Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) Director General Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman (right) at a news conference at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang. Photo: Reuters
Hijacking cannot be ruled out as an explanation for the vanishing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and all possibilities are still being investigated, a high-ranking Malaysian official said Monday.

Director-general of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, told a press conference that "every aspect of what could [have] happened on this ill-fated aircraft" was being probed.

He also*said that despite reports that debris had been spotted by a Vietnamese search crew, the country's authorities had not been able to confirm any positive sighting.

“Unfortunately ladies and gentleman, we have not found anything that appears to be objects from the aircraft," he said.

“There are various reports or sightings of objects that... agencies have reported with the various media. There was a report Vietnamese located an unidentified piece of the aircraft…it may have been a door of the aircraft.

“To inform all of you, that report was not verified officially by the Vietnamese authorities to date.”


A photo showing what could be debris from the missing plane, taken by a Vietnamese search team. Photo: EPA
A number of possible sightings of pieces of aircraft, which disappeared more than 60 hours ago with 239 passengers and crew on board, have been reported throughout the search operation, he added, but none have so far been confirmed.

Last night Interpol announced that Malaysia's international air security standards were being probed, after it said two stolen passports used by passengers on board the flight were in its database and could have been checked by officials in Kuala Lumpur.

The disclosure came as material suspected of belonging to the missing airliner was found by a Vietnamese Navy plane more than 40 hours after an international search was launched for the lost Boeing 777 aircraft and its 239 passengers and crew.

Oil slicks had earlier been spotted in the sea south of Vietnam by the country's air force.

Meanwhile, China's Ministry of Public Security said it would send a task force to Malaysia to help investigate after police revealed that a forged mainland passport was used by one of three passengers confirmed to be travelling on false documents.

A fourth case is being examined by officials investigating the disappearance of the plane as a possible terror attack.



"While it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," the agency's secretary general, Ronald Noble, said in a statement issued by its headquarters in Lyons, France.

"For years Interpol has asked why should countries wait for a tragedy to put prudent security measures in place at borders and boarding gates."

In a fresh statement Monday morning Malaysia Airlines said eight countries had offered search and rescue assistance, while families of those missing continued to gather in Kuala Lumpur.

"Malaysia Airlines is working closely with the government of China to expedite the issuance of passports for the families as well as with the immigration of Malaysia for their visas into Malaysia," the statement said.

"When the aircraft is located, a Response Coordination Centre (RCC) will be activated within the vicinity to support the needs of the families."

Earlier, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the country's airport security protocols were being reviewed.


Passport of Fujian man who is still in China. Photo: SCMP

The two men who boarded the plane with passports stolen from Italian Luigi Maraldi and Austrian Christian Kozel were booked to fly from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam via Beijing before flying to Copenhagen and Frankfurt separately.

Both flights had been booked with China Southern Airlines, which operates some flights jointly with other companies including Malaysia Airlines, and their ticket numbers were consecutive.

It appeared the tickets were purchased at the same time in Thai baht at identical prices, according to China's official e-ticket verification system Travelsky.


More than 30 aircraft and 40 ships are involved in search and rescue operations following the disappearance of flight MH370. Photo: EPA

The passenger travelling on the forged mainland passport was listed on the airline manifest as Zhao Qiwei, but Fujian police said the true holder of the passport was still in the province and had never travelled abroad, Xinhua reported.

The mystery surrounding the airliner's last minutes deepened after Malaysian military officials said yesterday that the plane may have turned back from its scheduled route just before contact with it was lost.

Rodzali Daud, the Royal Malaysian Air Force chief, told reporters at a news conference that radar recordings had revealed the possibility that the aircraft had turned back from its scheduled flight path.

But Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the Boeing 777's systems would have set off alarm bells.

"When there is an air turn-back the pilot would be unable to proceed as planned," he said, adding authorities were "quite puzzled" over the situation.



Rolls-Royce, which made the plane's engines, told the Post it was sending investigators all information it had from its systems which monitor in-flight engine performance.

At least 34 aircraft and 40 ships have been deployed to the area by Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, China and the United States. Vietnam, the Philippines and Australia have also deployed vessels not included in these numbers.

A Chinese maritime vessel, "China Coast Guard 3411", arrived on the scene early yesterday afternoon.

US officials from Boeing, the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration are also headed to Vietnam. The FBI is sending agents and technical experts.

Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, has sent 92 counsellors and staff to Beijing to assist anxious relatives of passengers.

Watch:*Vietnam spots possible wreckage from Malaysian plane
 

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crash site is no brainer.. i dun suppose some fisherman can claim to seen this off peru or south bridge road.
 

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anything is possible.

Pilot made a good landing on the water, but the plane sunk immediately and as such no debris found.



OFFICIALS have revealed that five passengers checked in to fly on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 — but didn’t board the plane.
Their luggage was taken off the plane but it is not clear how they fit in to the mystery of the vanished jet.
Speaking at a press briefing in Kuala Lumpur today, the director-general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation said a huge international search had failed to find any wreckage from the Boeing 777, let alone the plane itself.
Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said authorities were mystified after a search involving 34 planes, 40 ships and more than 100 people had been unable to locate any trace of the aircraft.
“We have not found anything that appears to be an object from the aircraft, let alone the aircraft," he announced.
READ MORE: TEARS FLOW FOR MISSING AUSTRALIANS
He said countries from around the region and the world were contributing to the search effort and it would continue until they had answers.
“Every second, every hour, we are looking at every inch of the sea,” he said.
“We are looking at all angles of what could possibly happen on that flight,” Mr Rahman explained when asked if there could have been an explosion onboard.
“Also there is talk about possible hijack and this is not discounted. We are looking at every angle. We are looking at every aspect of what could have happened.”
He said the Malaysian authorities were “equally puzzled” — as all aviation experts were — about what had happened to the plane.
“A mystery is how you can put it,” he said.
 

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night flights should be banned in the future.

Even ship captain sleep at night and the ship driver sleep on the job, and fisherman sleep at night so how to know it was a plane came down. For seeing a flash of bright lights is like seeing fire works and for hearing loud sound thought their ship engine exploded.



crash site is no brainer.. i dun suppose some fisherman can claim to seen this off peru or south bridge road.
 
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Stolen passports, stolen plane. It is getting for spooky.

Vietnam says it can't find object thought to be from missing Malaysia Airlines jet



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Vietnamese officials said Monday that they had not been able to locate an object spotted Sunday afternoon that was thought to be part of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane that disappeared from radar screens Saturday morning.

Doan Huu Gia, the chief of Vietnam's search and rescue coordination center, said Monday that four planes and seven ships from Vietnam were searching for the rectangular object but nothing had been found.

The plane was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

The plane lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam, and searchers in a low-flying plane spotted an object that appeared to be one of the plane's doors, the state-run Thanh Nien newspaper said, citing the deputy chief of staff of Vietnam's army, Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan.

The jetliner apparently fell from the sky at cruising altitude in fine weather, and the pilots were either unable or had no time to send a distress signal, adding to the mystery over the final minutes of the flight.

There are also questions over how two passengers managed to board the ill-fated aircraft using stolen passports.

Interpol confirmed it knew about the stolen passports but said no authorities checked its vast databases on stolen documents before the Boeing jetliner departed Saturday.

Warning "only a handful of countries" routinely make such checks, Interpol secretary general Ronald Noble chided authorities for "waiting for a tragedy to put prudent security measures in place at borders and boarding gates."

On Saturday, the foreign ministries in Italy and Austria said the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.

"I can confirm that we have the visuals of these two people on CCTV," Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference late Sunday, adding that the footage was being examined. "We have intelligence agencies, both local and international, on board."

The thefts of the two passports -- one belonging to Austrian Christian Kozel and the other to Luigi Maraldi of Italy -- were entered into Interpol's database after they were stolen in Thailand in 2012 and last year, the police body said.

Electronic booking records show that one-way tickets with those names were issued Thursday from a travel agency in the beach resort of Pattaya in eastern Thailand. A person who answered the phone at the agency said she could not comment.

But no authorities in Malaysia or elsewhere checked the passports against the database of 40 million stolen or lost travel documents before the Malaysian Airlines plane took off.

Possible causes of the crash included some sort of explosion, a catastrophic failure of the plane's engines, extreme turbulence, or pilot error or even suicide. Establishing what happened with any certainty will need data from flight recorders and a detailed examination of any debris, something that will take months if not years.

Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said radar indicated that before it disappeared, the plane may have turned back, but there were no further details on which direction it went or how far it veered off course.

"We are trying to make sense of this," Daud said at a news conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back, and in some parts this was corroborated by civilian radar."

Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said pilots are supposed to inform the airline and traffic control authorities if the plane does a U-turn. "From what we have, there was no such distress signal or distress call per se, so we are equally puzzled," he said.

A total of 34 aircraft and 40 ships from Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, Australia, Singapore, Indonesia, China and the United States were deployed to the area where ground controllers lost contact with the plane on the maritime border between Malaysia and Vietnam.

Of the 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board, two-thirds were Chinese, while the rest were from elsewhere in Asia, Europe and North America, including three Americans.

Family members of Philip Wood, a 50-year-old IBM executive who was on board the plane, said they saw him a week ago when he visited them in Texas after relocating to Kuala Lumpur from Beijing, where he had worked for two years.

The other two Americans were identified on the passenger manifest as 4-year-old Nicole Meng and 2-year-old Yan Zhang. It was not known with whom they were traveling.

After more than 30 hours without contact with the aircraft, Malaysia Airlines told family members they should "prepare themselves for the worst," Hugh Dunleavy, the commercial director for the airline, told reporters.

Finding traces of an aircraft that disappears over sea can take days or longer, even with a sustained search effort. Depending on the circumstances of the crash, wreckage can be scattered over a large area. If the plane enters the water before breaking up, there can be relatively little debris.

A team of American experts was en route to Asia to be ready to assist in the investigation into the crash. The team includes accident investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board, as well as technical experts from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing, the safety board said in a statement.

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record, as does the 777, which had not had a fatal crash in its 19-year history until an Asiana Airlines plane crashed last July in San Francisco, killing three passengers, all Chinese teenagers.

Details also emerged Sunday about the itineraries of the two passengers traveling on the stolen passports.

A telephone operator on a China-based KLM hotline confirmed Sunday that passengers named Maraldi and Kozel had been booked on one-way tickets on the same KLM flight, flying from Beijing to Amsterdam on Saturday. Maraldi was to fly on to Copenhagen, Denmark, and Kozel to Frankfurt, Germany.

She said the pair booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines, but she had no information on where they bought them.

As holders of EU passports with onward flights to Europe, the passengers would not have needed visas for China.

Interpol said it and national investigators were working to determine the true identities of those who used the stolen passports to board the flight. White House Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said the U.S. was looking into the stolen passports, but that investigators had reached no conclusions.

Interpol has long sounded the alarm that growing international travel has underpinned a new market for identity theft: Bogus passports are mostly used by illegal immigrants, but also pretty much anyone looking to travel unnoticed such as drug runners or terrorists. More than 1 billion times last year, travelers boarded planes without their passports being checked against Interpol's database of 40 million stolen or lost travel documents, the police agency said.
 

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Everybody looking for wreckages but nobody searching for private airfelds. Now it is safely in hanger.
 
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sochi2014

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No beacon some more must be switch off manually by the hijackers.
 
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if you are correct, what would they do to the 239 people?

How they feed 239 people? Must land at an airfield that has McDonald or KFC restaurants, no free catering?



Everybody looking for wreckages but nobody searching for private airfelds. Now it is safely in hanger.
 

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. Any aircraft's takeoff and landing speeds depend on a few factors of which its weight is one of the main ones. An airplane mostly takes off at higher speeds than landing for the simple reason in that it is heavier during takeoff than when it lands.


do you know that airplane landing speed is the same speed at taking off?

That is airplane must hit over 18O knots (V2) before it take lift off. Airplane need to fly in at 180 knots into the air strip and at 7m above ground (at height of 2 storey building) kill the engine power straight away.

At this crucial few moments if not done correctly airplane will spilt into 2 if kill engine power too early that is 350 ton crashed onto the ground. If done too late will land bumpy or skid and shoot beyond the airstrip.
 
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