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PuteriWorld

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You cannot take what you learn in Singapore and transplant it to Malaysia, Singapore has little land, so oversupply can be absorbed after a while, Malaysia has lots of land and yes demand may eventually absorb oversupply but in how many years? Can you wait?

i know Malaysia is 500 x bigger than Singapore. But those nearest to Singapore is only 1-2 times the size of Singapore. I dont bother to even buy any houses in Batu Pahat even though its still in Johor.

I have been helping my friends to source for firesales but those "despo" owners are still asking for prices higher than those SPA. This doesnt look well for a market which is heading downhill.
 

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My point is, back then 10 years ago these naysayers were wrong when they said that those who bought into Iskandar are burning their fingers because there are people who earned millions, hence resulting to the greedy developers jacking up the prices and ramping up supply indiscriminately.

These feng-shui masters were downright wrong because almost all the investors made money.

However in the past 2-3 years these same nay-sayers then come out and say " SEE! I told you so!"

Its like shouting BIG in the casino and the chap kept quiet after 3 rounds of SMALL appearing and the last round of big appears and he says SEE I TOLD YOU SO! Please, those who bought into small have already earned enough to retire in a depreciating property which they love or even exited the market.

My advice for those who seldom go to Iskandar, pls do not even touch the property brochures.
 

cybermad

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You cannot take what you learn in Singapore and transplant it to Malaysia, Singapore has little land, so oversupply can be absorbed after a while, Malaysia has lots of land and yes demand may eventually absorb oversupply but in how many years? Can you wait?

The lots of land theory is erroneous. Australia has even more land mass than MY, so cannot invest also right ? Then why Sydney prices are sky high ??
 

snowbird

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i know Malaysia is 500 x bigger than Singapore. But those nearest to Singapore is only 1-2 times the size of Singapore. I dont bother to even buy any houses in Batu Pahat even though its still in Johor.

I have been helping my friends to source for firesales but those "despo" owners are still asking for prices higher than those SPA. This doesnt look well for a market which is heading downhill.

It is because it is still not a buyer's market yet.
Wait till you see tens of thousands of units on completion and tens of thousands of sales offers will be coming in on the market.........you'll see a corresponding numbers of "despos "without deep pocket and holding power cutting their offer prices like crazy.
Just wait a little while more, there will be thousands of units for resale offer at the Danga Bay area alone.
 

PuteriWorld

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Danga Bay? I am not even looking at anywhere near that area. My Malaysian friends are waiting for Puteri Harbour prices to drop to RM 300psf so we can retire together. Even if Danga Bay or any other condos falls to RM 200psf, we are not even looking at it.
 

cybermad

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Danga Bay? I am not even looking at anywhere near that area. My Malaysian friends are waiting for Puteri Harbour prices to drop to RM 300psf so we can retire together. Even if Danga Bay or any other condos falls to RM 200psf, we are not even looking at it.

PH at RM 300 psf ? Let me know also if it drops so low.
 

xebay11

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The lots of land theory is erroneous. Australia has even more land mass than MY, so cannot invest also right ? Then why Sydney prices are sky high ??

I never said prices will never be sky high, but it would take a long time. Anyway you buy now in Sydney and see how much upside you can get, I challenge you.
 

xebay11

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It is because it is still not a buyer's market yet.
Wait till you see tens of thousands of units on completion and tens of thousands of sales offers will be coming in on the market.........you'll see a corresponding numbers of "despos "without deep pocket and holding power cutting their offer prices like crazy.
Just wait a little while more, there will be thousands of units for resale offer at the Danga Bay area alone.

Exactly, JB still has lots of land near Singapore, maybe not causeway side but Tuas side, Gelang Patah area, still very undeveloped. Puteriworld is Jiu Hu agent is it?
 

Frodo

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My view is that whether you buy to stay or to flip, buy a unit you really like, because you can still choose to keep it. But if the unit you buy to invest is not one you like, then you will feel even worst in having to hold on to it.
 

Bubble

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My view is that whether you buy to stay or to flip, buy a unit you really like, because you can still choose to keep it. But if the unit you buy to invest is not one you like, then you will feel even worst in having to hold on to it.

Slightly out of topic, if floor plan reads 3500,how many feet is that? Anyone?
 

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So I guess your purchase in Medini is LEASEHOLD??

I bought a 2 BR unit at R&F in August 2014..
I am not fretting over it because my purpose for buying it is long term retirement and viable exit strategy..
Now, I probably lose close to SGD 40k due to forex reasons as I converted a bulk of savings into ringgit at 2.55..
Heard those who bought later enjoys higher discounts too...

True, there is masssive oversupply in Iskandar...
Especially where the China Developers are..
Still I still believe in the long term prospects of Johor as a viable exit strategy..

In all investments, there are risks..
It may turn out to be a poor decision today but who knows about the future..

Yes, Medini is leasehold. This one can't be controlled. Actually, I'm not worried whether it's leasehold or freehold at this point. It's more of the staggering number of residential supply either for now or those waiting to be released all the way to 10 years or later.

If you foresee using it as retirement home very soon, then that's ok. But if retirement means 10,15,20 years' time where you actually stay there for good, it's too early to buy now. Argument being, with the huge amount of oversupply, land much larger than Singapore but population and businesses much smaller, the price to be paid 10,15 years later may be the same as now, or even cheaper.

As you've pointed out, what you are already losing now is the declining exchange rate. Once your bank loan starts and there is no tenant, there are the bank interests, monthly maintenance fees and loss of cash flow every month due to lack of rental income to cover the mortgage. I did work out the figures (too late again) and it's really a bit shocking how the amount adds up in just a few years.

Just sharing... but as Puteri World mentioned, got to think about one's own power. If got cash, hang on there or cut losses if one thinks he cannot sustain it.
 

sgcount

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To be frank, all these talks about taunting and laughing at those who bought Iskandar properties are rubbish as well. Those who bought during those dull period ( when coastal highway and LEGOLAND are all palm trees & Iskandar got nothing to show ) are laughing their way to the banks and there are investors who earn millions of Sing dollars even after converting back to Sing dollars.

The fact that the market is down does not mean that it will be down forever. During Mah Bow tan era, there was oversupply of HDBs and after a while, there was great demand and prices shoot sky high

I think those who bought last time (back in 2006-2010??) when much of it were forests and plantation had the advantage of buying it at more affordable prices (cheap) and they were the first ones to go into it.

I assume a good handful here earn at least close to $100k a month or more. (Ok, rough estimation only. I know many may think this is peanuts amount! But let's just assume for discussion purposes.) If a person had bought a landed property say a nice spacious 3000+ sq ft back then at below S$200k (while Singapore's one cost a few S$million in comparison), even if the property fails, the amount to lose is not painful for this group of people. After all, most who went in back then really wanted it for own stay rather than for investment cos they hated the high prices in SG and small floor areas. Even if they hold, there is a good chance it is affordable to many future buyers.

But the problem with those who bought their Iskandar properties in 2013/14 is clearly the prices have been inflated a lot. There are more limited buyers next time. Those who earn only $100k a year will feel the pain of losing more than $300k if there is no tenant and it's negative cash flow every month for indefinite number of years.

So for the first group who bought much earlier, they have a big advantage in exiting because they bought low, so they can sell high. Even in worst case scenario, if have to sell low, they will probably still make maybe a bit only. But for the second group, they bought high. And with the huge oversupply revealed now, can't possibly sell high. Even to sell low and make loss I think may be a problem cos new buyers got so many choices to choose from next time. Why would they want a resale property?

As usual, I'm considering from an investor's point of view. Not if someone is using it for own stay.

Of course, if one earns a lot more, is a multi-millionaire, then the above is not of a concern. They can dump their money on rubbish properties here and there and with zero returns, they won't feel anything. For eg, if a person's net worth is $10 million, losing $300k is a lot bearable than someone whose net worth is only $300k itself. That probably explains why we see so many China Chinese buying properties everywhere but leave them vacant. We won't go into details here where some of them get so much money from and what they are trying to do....
 
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cybermad

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I never said prices will never be sky high, but it would take a long time. Anyway you buy now in Sydney and see how much upside you can get, I challenge you.

hello, nobody talking abt buying Sydney now. Its just to point out that the too much land theory does not stand on its own.
 

Tekkun

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hello, nobody talking abt buying Sydney now. Its just to point out that the too much land theory does not stand on its own.

Sydney is a bad example, anyway. :biggrin:
High price, lousy exit plans and locals can only afford to buy inexpensive houses.
 

PuteriWorld

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hello, nobody talking abt buying Sydney now. Its just to point out that the too much land theory does not stand on its own.

Its just like no one is buying into Singapore or HK now. Nusajaya land is very limited even though Malaysia is 500 times bigger than this dot.
 

PuteriWorld

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Exactly, JB still has lots of land near Singapore, maybe not causeway side but Tuas side, Gelang Patah area, still very undeveloped. Puteriworld is Jiu Hu agent is it?

I wanted to be a Jiu Hoo agent but i cant due to my nationality because my Jiu-Hoo agent earns RM 100,000+ from me alone and from my fellow investor friends, he pocketed nearly a million in a single year. And Gelang Patah, if you look at the map, isnt that big.
 

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LATEST UPDATE ON FLOOD PROBLEM AT SETIA INDAH

The meeting between MBJB, MP, Developer and residents rep have just concluded a week ago. I was told that the affected residents demand compensation from the developer but as expected, their compensation are denied. The developer have also insisted that it is not their wrong doing for the flood that occurred at the Setia recently. However, MBJB mediate the meeting and demand the developer to construct a retention pond nearby and is agreed by the developer. So let see if it take how long for them to build this retention pond. More updates soon......
MBJB meeting with developer.jpg
 

snowbird

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LATEST UPDATE ON FLOOD PROBLEM AT SETIA INDAH

The meeting between MBJB, MP, Developer and residents rep have just concluded a week ago. I was told that the affected residents demand compensation from the developer but as expected, their compensation are denied. The developer have also insisted that it is not their wrong doing for the flood that occurred at the Setia recently. However, MBJB mediate the meeting and demand the developer to construct a retention pond nearby and is agreed by the developer. So let see if it take how long for them to build this retention pond. More updates soon......
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Its strange that MBJB requesting the developer to construct the retention pond.
First, it is MBJB's job to prove that the developer had indeed caused the floods and demand compensation and damage from them or sue them as I had always insisted.
Retention ponds, monsoon drains, sewerage systems are all under the MBJB and it is the responsibility of their civil engineering dept to design and constructing them.
This is shifting responsibility.
Who shall be deciding the size and location of the retention pond?
Who shall be designing and constructing the drainage system to divert overflowing rainwater from the estate into the pond and draining from the pond into the river?
Who shall be doing the study and invert levels of the area to determine the location of the pond and the relevant drainage system?
Who, who, who??
The developer?
No way they can do it because it'll cost tens of millions$$$$$!!
A retention pond is not so simple as just one big stupid hole in the ground, that anyone can do.
Doing a half-baked stupid pond is as good as not doing anything.
The residents should instead seek damage from MBJB!
 

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No worries, they can divert the water into Mouth Austin water theme park which is right behind them...:p

Rain come liao..good time to inspect house again. :biggrin:
 
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