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FAP MP Zainudin did not serve NS. Why?
- Thread starter makapaaa
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Potential GMS response to revelations about Zainuddin:
'On "gang rape" remark - Just because no WP MP made this remark doesn't mean none of them thought about it, and since they might well have thought of it, WP is no better than PAP. In fact, it would make them worse, because they made a promise to deliver a First World Parliament and now they are as stinky as the PAP, even if they are not brave enough to say it.'
'On not serving NS - WP MPs are no better. Did Sylvia Lim serve NS? CSM might have served NS but he served it as an officer and not as a CSM as his name would have required him to. This is really stinky of WP and all you diehard blind WP supporters to point fingers at Zainuddin when WP has not cleaned up his house.
'Sama sama lah.'
'On "gang rape" remark - Just because no WP MP made this remark doesn't mean none of them thought about it, and since they might well have thought of it, WP is no better than PAP. In fact, it would make them worse, because they made a promise to deliver a First World Parliament and now they are as stinky as the PAP, even if they are not brave enough to say it.'
'On not serving NS - WP MPs are no better. Did Sylvia Lim serve NS? CSM might have served NS but he served it as an officer and not as a CSM as his name would have required him to. This is really stinky of WP and all you diehard blind WP supporters to point fingers at Zainuddin when WP has not cleaned up his house.
'Sama sama lah.'
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Charlie one thing I really cannot understand till this day is the discrimination of Malays in SAF because I simply don't buy LKY's statements about the machine gun thingy. What's the big fuck fuss all about? We're all Singaporeans aren't we?
What I know this arrangement was only for Malays....
Malay new citizen in Singapore?
A mythical creature like unicorn and Bigfoot.
There is one Malay chap around Zainuddin's age I know who did not serve because he wasn't called up. And no, he is not an only child/son.
Not a bed of roses though. Every job ad that appeared require applicant to have completed NS.
Not really....when you are exempted there is a cert....so apply job with that cert can liao.
From day 1 of NS, there were Malays serving in the SAF. There were Malay commissioned officers and there were even Malay platoons. These things have carried on unabated. The only exceptions were sensitive units such as Air Force, Navy and Armour etc. Eventually some of these barriers came down.
In the old days, if your parents or you were born in Malaysia even if you were Chinese or Indians, you could not be posted to SAF or if you were it was not in a sensitive area. The Malays naturally formed the bulk. In addition if your family ties could be traced and the link broke off after it entered Malaysia you were also affected.
Those whose families were associated with pro-communists were also not called up. Again Chinese and Indians as well.
The govt's line is that Malays who are in sensitive positions carry a huge responsibility on their shoulders and to avoid putting them in that position, those directives were made.
Even today, a jew travelling to Israel and seeking work in a sensitive position in Canada, Australia, US, UK , ANZ are carefully screened and many are rejected without being told why. Its pretty much common sense.
In the old days, if your parents or you were born in Malaysia even if you were Chinese or Indians, you could not be posted to SAF or if you were it was not in a sensitive area. The Malays naturally formed the bulk. In addition if your family ties could be traced and the link broke off after it entered Malaysia you were also affected.
Those whose families were associated with pro-communists were also not called up. Again Chinese and Indians as well.
The govt's line is that Malays who are in sensitive positions carry a huge responsibility on their shoulders and to avoid putting them in that position, those directives were made.
Even today, a jew travelling to Israel and seeking work in a sensitive position in Canada, Australia, US, UK , ANZ are carefully screened and many are rejected without being told why. Its pretty much common sense.
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they still are.
Many Malays were just never called up and never given an exemption cert. Hence the limbo they were in. It didn't matter so much if they qualified for further studies; it was those who had to look for jobs that had problems.
But these were before Zainuddin's time. By his time, Malays were almost universally called up, if not for the army, then for SPF or the Construction Battalion which later became part of SCDF.
But these were before Zainuddin's time. By his time, Malays were almost universally called up, if not for the army, then for SPF or the Construction Battalion which later became part of SCDF.
I understand the concept of exemption for certain citizens based on "in the interests of national security" but in the early 1980s, my recollection was that enlistment was virtually universal, irrespective of your race.
Let's assume Zainudin was exempt from NS because of this. I would ask the question, why has he been an MP for Bishan Toa Payoh since 2001 and presumably a member of the PAP for even longer?
Why are the due diligence checks undertaken by the government and Mindef so widely disparate?
Why does the government exempt an 18 year old from NS because he is potentially seen as a national security risk but 20 years later consider that same person to be worthy of being an MP in a GRC and part of the ruling elite?
Even if it were an administrative oversight by Mindef/CMPB (a very unlikely scenario) not serving NS without a valid reason would have caused him problems later in his life but it doesn't seem to have affected his career path in the slightest.
Let's assume Zainudin was exempt from NS because of this. I would ask the question, why has he been an MP for Bishan Toa Payoh since 2001 and presumably a member of the PAP for even longer?
Why are the due diligence checks undertaken by the government and Mindef so widely disparate?
Why does the government exempt an 18 year old from NS because he is potentially seen as a national security risk but 20 years later consider that same person to be worthy of being an MP in a GRC and part of the ruling elite?
Even if it were an administrative oversight by Mindef/CMPB (a very unlikely scenario) not serving NS without a valid reason would have caused him problems later in his life but it doesn't seem to have affected his career path in the slightest.
MP is not a sensitive post. Anyone who meet the criteria to stand as candidate can take up the post if he wins. If you look at the requirements it is quite basic. Being an MP does not qualify you to obtain the highest clearance or even couple of rungs down.
Anyway in 1991 the AMP revolted and the compromise is that all Malay MPs must be agreed by both sides. He was one of those probably put forward by AMP. AMP despite claiming to be apolitical is more political than most. Many of its members never saw NS despite doing well academically. The angst is still there.
Anyway in 1991 the AMP revolted and the compromise is that all Malay MPs must be agreed by both sides. He was one of those probably put forward by AMP. AMP despite claiming to be apolitical is more political than most. Many of its members never saw NS despite doing well academically. The angst is still there.
In other words, it is flip , flop, flip, flop...to their advantage, while we lesser mortals, have to be patriotic & serve right?
NS is national slavery.
Since gangbang mat was never a slave, he is picked to be a master.
Pap mp zainudin nordin did not serve his national service?
http://therealsingapore.com/content/pap-mp-zainudin-nordin-did-not-serve-his-national-service
Hello The Real Singapore,
I was just reading up about the PAP MP that said that Democracy is Gang Rape in action and realized that his qualifications profile does not have a 2 year gap that most other MPs have. Is it possible that this MP has skipped National Service? Below is his qualifications and year of which it was completed.
While his other Malay contemporaries served their NS. Mr Nordin deleted all questions regarding his lack of NS on his Facebook wall and subsequently banned me from posting. It seems he doesn't want people digging too much into his past. This is in line with PAP's desire to have unquestioning obedience among citizens.
He was born in July 1963. If he enlists at 16 1/2, that would mean an early enlistment of early 1980. His ROD should be in early 1982. Instead he started his JC education in 1981.
And most important of all, back in those days I don't think there was such thing as early enlistment.
Quote:
Educational Qualifications
1970-1975 PSLE (Tanglin Primary School)
1976-1979 GCE 'O' Level (Tanglin Technical School)
1981-1982 GCE 'A' Level (Jurong Junior College)
1983-1985 Diploma in Electronic Engineering (French-Singapore Institute)
1986-1990 Diploma d'Ingenieur (equivalent to MSc) (E.S.I.E.E., France)
Let's do some comparisons with other MPs
All the MP here has a 2 or 3 years gap between their A' levels and University education.
http://therealsingapore.com/content/pap-mp-zainudin-nordin-did-not-serve-his-national-service
Hello The Real Singapore,
I was just reading up about the PAP MP that said that Democracy is Gang Rape in action and realized that his qualifications profile does not have a 2 year gap that most other MPs have. Is it possible that this MP has skipped National Service? Below is his qualifications and year of which it was completed.
While his other Malay contemporaries served their NS. Mr Nordin deleted all questions regarding his lack of NS on his Facebook wall and subsequently banned me from posting. It seems he doesn't want people digging too much into his past. This is in line with PAP's desire to have unquestioning obedience among citizens.
He was born in July 1963. If he enlists at 16 1/2, that would mean an early enlistment of early 1980. His ROD should be in early 1982. Instead he started his JC education in 1981.
And most important of all, back in those days I don't think there was such thing as early enlistment.
Quote:
Educational Qualifications
1970-1975 PSLE (Tanglin Primary School)
1976-1979 GCE 'O' Level (Tanglin Technical School)
1981-1982 GCE 'A' Level (Jurong Junior College)
1983-1985 Diploma in Electronic Engineering (French-Singapore Institute)
1986-1990 Diploma d'Ingenieur (equivalent to MSc) (E.S.I.E.E., France)
Let's do some comparisons with other MPs
All the MP here has a 2 or 3 years gap between their A' levels and University education.
Re: Pap mp zainudin nordin did not serve his national service?
already confirmed by the mat gangbanger he did not serve NS.......the 2 missing years if why? must CSI.......sabbatical years? Maybe spent in boy's home......
already confirmed by the mat gangbanger he did not serve NS.......the 2 missing years if why? must CSI.......sabbatical years? Maybe spent in boy's home......
Could be a birth defect. Most likely born with one testicle or lopsided testicles.
born with no balls........you forgot only eunuchs can serve in the imperial courts........
Re: Pap mp zainudin nordin did not serve his national service?
This type qualifications at most can earn 3k in the outside corp world. This m&d is really a lucky chap. His race actually turn into an advantage for him. Token m&d in grc.
His lack of education explains how he can quote that type of post. Typical brainless m&d.
This type qualifications at most can earn 3k in the outside corp world. This m&d is really a lucky chap. His race actually turn into an advantage for him. Token m&d in grc.
His lack of education explains how he can quote that type of post. Typical brainless m&d.
Re: Pap mp zainudin nordin did not serve his national service?
Thats why the pap pays him handsomely to stay the village idiot that he is and play the proverbial guitar whilst realacking in one rich and overpaid corner....
Dont raise too many community issues or stir up the problems about the marginalised malays in sinkie society.....
There is already someone (stupid) "speaking" up for them.........
Thats why the pap pays him handsomely to stay the village idiot that he is and play the proverbial guitar whilst realacking in one rich and overpaid corner....
Dont raise too many community issues or stir up the problems about the marginalised malays in sinkie society.....
There is already someone (stupid) "speaking" up for them.........
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