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"Gooroo GMS" Hougang Analysis!

scroobal

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Courtesy of who forummer of LeMans2011 who picked the right salutation for GMS based on recent conduct here is his latest attempt.

Do read the part about Poh and his ability to swing votes. He must think the people of Hougang have no clue about simple maths. Read on.


"Hougang By-Eelection & Impact of Sajeeev & Dr Poh III

As political observer, this week seems to be very exciting with all the perfect dramatic twists unfolding right before the Hougang By-election.

While we were anticipating an "unexciting" fight in Hougang by-election, WP former Nee Soon GRC Indian candidate Sajeev made an announcement I do not know Mr Sajeev well but I have heard murmurs of discontent from the Malay and Indian WP members prior to Fazli's (Malay candidate of East Coast GRC in GE2011) resignation a couple of months ago. The issue is bigger than mere appointment of cadre membership. The Malays and Indians felt that they were unfairly treated and would have expected that being candidates of the party, they should become one of the major stakeholders of the party as cadres.

For the record, back in 2006, right after GE2006, all WP candidates who aren't cadres were made cadres immediately. The rationale is that if the party is confident enough to offer them as candidates during the General Elections, they should be entrusted as the core stakeholders of the party as cadres. NSP applied this rationale in post-GE2011 as well: all candidates who were not cadres were appointed as one shortly after the GE.[/B]

The issue of cadre membership is a sensitive and tricky one. Only cadre members are allowed to vote during the Ordinary Party Congress (OPC) to elect the CEC members every two years. Thus cadres must be trusted and tested members so to ensure that they will not end up with infighting later on. However, most of the time the appointment of cadre membership in most of the parties in Singapore is opaque and the powers lie on the CEC, particularly the SG or Chairman/President only. This will result in the possibility of entrenchment and monopoly of power in the long run.

I could empathize with Fazli's and Sajeev's feelings. Imagine as a candidate, you were not appointed as cadre while some members working in the background got appointed as one, how would you feel? I have even heard of members going around declaring that candidates are not as important as election agents and members playing supporting roles! This is pretty absurd to me, especially to think that Malay and Indian candidates are critical assets of the party.

No matter how many Chinese candidates you have, without sufficient Malay and Indian candidates, you won't be able to field all the Chinese candidates in GRCs at all. Ironically, from the accounts provided by Sajeev, it seems that WP has totally neglected in grooming its slates of Malays and Indians!

Sajeev's press statement has also revealed that Sylvia has made a very unfair remarks about Indian members would leave the party once appointed as cadre. There is no basis in this assertion, if it is really made by Sylvia. There were Chinese cadre members leaving the party as well. WP and Sylvia have made a statement in response to claim that it is absurd to accuse WP as racist. However Sylvia didn't deny categorically that she has made such remarks before.

I think that it is important to bear in mind that whether an organization is racially biased or not depends on the perception it projected upon others, especially those people from the minority races. If there are WP members feeling that they have been unfairly treated due to their race, it is ringing a dangerous alarm bell within.

Although most people would question the motive and timing of Sajeev's resignation but looking from another perspective, he has provided more insights and information on WP during the time when the voters need to help them assess each contesting parties fully.

Will his resignation and revelation of WP's inner working affect the outcome of this by-election? I don't think it will make a big impact on the results of this by-election. It would at most put a 2% to 3% dent on WP's overall result. However, this incident may have a longer term implications. WP may find itself harder to recruit better quality Malay and Indian candidates to fulfill their ambitions in next GE to contest more GRCs and crossing over to Tampines and Marine Parade.

Dr Poh Lee Guan's latest involvement in this Hougang by-election is pretty intriguing. According to WP's statement, they are not aware of Dr Poh's intention to contest in Hougang, WP will only nominate Png Eng Huat and Dr Poh is still a WP member. It basically means that Dr Poh has submitted his form of application for political donation certificate was not endorsed by WP.

Initially, some WP supporters were saying that Dr Poh is the backup candidate for WP but apparently this is not the case. WP didn't plan for it that way. Maybe Dr Poh was hoping that if there is anything happening to Png Eng Huat prior to nomination, he would take the opportunity to become his replacement as WP candidate. But the chances of this happening is very slim.

Beside, once this news is out about Dr Poh being granted the necessary certificate to contest, WP would not hesitate to take disciplinary actions against him (i.e. expulsion from the party). Thus the likelihood of Dr Poh contesting is very high.

It is no mystery that relationship between Dr Poh and the top WP leadership has been down in the doldrums for many years since GE2006. He was slowly sidelined and eventually edged out of the CEC in the OPC held in GE2010.

Dr Poh was once the political star in WP back in the early 2000s. He was fondly known as "Ah Poh" around Hougang and was very active in Hougang grassroot activities. He was once appointed as the Town Councillor of Hougang. All these changed after there was an argument over election strategy for GE2006.

Among the present slate of potential candidates WP has, Dr Poh has the highest visibility and personal recognition in Hougang beside Mr Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim. If WP is looking for a matured candidate for Hougang, Dr Poh would naturally be the most appropriate choice. However, Png Eng Huat was chosen instead.

It would be natural for Dr Poh to feel disappointed by such decision. I am a little bit surprised that Dr Poh would go all out to contest in Hougang by-election against WP's will. He is not that kind of person who would take such a big risk. Nevertheless, I could fully understand his position if he really turns up at the nomination centre.

The impact of Dr Poh's decision to contest in Hougang By-election would be multidimensional. He will not merely be the key "third force" absorbing the swing votes from WP, his presence will also entrench doubts on WP's effectiveness in management. Due to his relatively higher personal profile in Hougang, he may suck up more votes from WP's core support rather than PAP's side. I will not be surprised if he could garner more than 12.5% of valid votes to keep his deposit in this by-election.

Taking into account of these new developments, my estimate of vote swing against WP may have to be readjusted downwards. I am expecting a higher number of spoil votes with a vote swing of 10% to 13% against WP. It will still win the elections even if its votes drop to below 50% but that would have very much wider implications on LTK's leadership.

Goh Meng Seng"
 
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wikiphile

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We'll wait for the numbers to come in and see if GMS know his stuff better than anyone of us on 26th May
 

scroobal

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Do remember this is the same Gooroo cum Analyst that predicted TKL victory, worked with him closely, guided him and they both lost their credibility and he the desposit.

Now he believes that Poh can get as much as 12.5% of the votes based on profile. That is laugable. It was the same logic that led some of the veteran Ah Peks to demand SMCs etc and then got thrashed good and proper.

WP leadership did notbeven bother to talk the clown out of it. They did their sums and realised that a clown with a bicycle symbol would not be a match to one with a hammer.
 

scroobal

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When Sam does his tongue in cheek endorsement, you know that the subject in question is out of kilter or pure rubbish. And this was a powerful endorsement.
 

Perspective

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What is Gooroo?

Anyway, I am of the view that candidates and support are not one worthy above another. That is elitist thinking (I know it sounds strange because the same people often advocate against elitist thinking but by now we should be used to double standards and people not mean what they say).

To me, candidates and support are different roles, not one superior over another. Many parts one body. Do note that candidates if elected get something, while support staff whether the candidates win or not are status quo. The latter deserves cadreship more, if I am asked.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Do remember this is the same Gooroo cum Analyst that predicted TKL victory, worked with him closely, guided him and they both lost their credibility and he the desposit.

Now he believes that Poh can get as much as 12.5% of the votes based on profile. That is laugable. It was the same logic that led some of the veteran Ah Peks to demand SMCs etc and then got thrashed good and proper.

WP leadership did notbeven bother to talk the clown out of it. They did their sums and realised that a clown with a bicycle symbol would not be a match to one with a hammer.



The GooRoo was predicting that Poh will stand as independent based on what he read in TNP, a tabloid just marginally better than himself. Now he goes to the nomination centre to "chou re nao -- join in the hustings", and very conveniently gets interviewed by the MSM during which he says DC will score high. Coincidence?
 

scroobal

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As in guru, knowledegable and expert in his field and prepared to impart his knowledge. In this case "Gooroo" would be more appropriate as he looking for some kind of recognition via a title. We of course not going to call him a real Guru.



What is Gooroo?

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Perspective

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As in guru, knowledegable and expert in his field and prepared to impart his knowledge. In this case "Gooroo" would be more appropriate as he looking for some kind of recognition via a title. We of course not going to call him a real Guru.

Oh I see. Gooroo = Guru. It was lost on me. Thought it was a satire of Zorro.
 

wikiphile

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The GooRoo was predicting that Poh will stand as independent based on what he read in TNP, a tabloid just marginally better than himself. Now he goes to the nomination centre to "chou re nao -- join in the hustings", and very conveniently gets interviewed by the MSM during which he says DC will score high. Coincidence?

Hi i am an avid analslist (short for anal sex realist, please don't ask me why)

Based on what happened the last few days i am confident that the following will happen on 26th May:

1. There will be a By election between candidates from two political parties

2. The By election is in Hougang for the Hougang SMC, about 99.9% sure

3. There is a 50% chance that it will rain and 50% chance that it will not on that day. Judging by the feel on the ground, it is possible by up to 95% that it will be after 8 pm that we will know the results

4. There is a 95% chance that Yam Ah Mee will be the Returning Officer on that day and a equally 95% chance that it will be announced 'live' on Singapore Television and Radio channels.

5. There is a 99.9% chance that Png Eng Huat is the chosen one by the WP CEC and a 100% chance that Dr Poh Lee Guan feels that he is a 'spare'.

I will bring you more results once i have read more tabloids, forum gossips and MSM. In no way at all are the 'anals' from above derived from talking to people from Hougang SMC or WP members which i personally feel is antiquated, unrepresentative and non-factual. If such things did not make it on the internet, it must be false.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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I was having breakfast with friend and from the discussions we have, it seems that there is really an undercurrent going on in Hougang.

The coffeeshops are not talking about the BE at all, this is rather strange for opposition stronghold. It is like deafening peace and silence before the storm brew.

The likelihood of WP gettng below 55% is getting higher and maybe even lose Hougang, I won't be surprised. WP has made several critical mistakes so far; the selection of Png to contest against Desmond is one big mistake. The contrast is just too big to ignore. Scroobal should put up my latest analysis on the two candidates. The appearance of LTK and other MPs along side of Png also put a big contrast to Desmond's relatively low profile contest. That's another critical mistake they are making.

Goh Meng Seng


We'll wait for the numbers to come in and see if GMS know his stuff better than anyone of us on 26th May
 

wikiphile

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I was having breakfast with friend and from the discussions we have, it seems that there is really an undercurrent going on in Hougang.

The coffeeshops are not talking about the BE at all, this is rather strange for opposition stronghold. It is like deafening peace and silence before the storm brew.

The likelihood of WP gettng below 55% is getting higher and maybe even lose Hougang, I won't be surprised. WP has made several critical mistakes so far; the selection of Png to contest against Desmond is one big mistake. The contrast is just too big to ignore. Scroobal should put up my latest analysis on the two candidates. The appearance of LTK and other MPs along side of Png also put a big contrast to Desmond's relatively low profile contest. That's another critical mistake they are making.

Goh Meng Seng

Talk less and listen more, we'll come back to this on the 26th May
 

zhihau

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I was having breakfast with friend and from the discussions we have, it seems that there is really an undercurrent going on in Hougang.

which kopitiam you went to? the last 4 kopitiams me went to, at least 2 of them had folks chatting about BE.
 

kukubird58

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Brilliant analysis. Much appreciated.
hahaha........u twit, for once have to agree with u.....
my idol, the Canon God is the wisest man in sbf......only the cockeral cums close.....
those sharp enough will detect a sense of rivalry between them.......both clamouring for adulation.
hahaha....kukubird misses such adulation.....lol.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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As in guru, knowledegable and expert in his field and prepared to impart his knowledge. In this case "Gooroo" would be more appropriate as he looking for some kind of recognition via a title. We of course not going to call him a real Guru.


MG Guru becomes MS GooRoo
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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The likelihood of WP gettng below 55% is getting higher and maybe even lose Hougang, I won't be surprised. WP has made several critical mistakes so far; the selection of Png to contest against Desmond is one big mistake. The contrast is just too big to ignore. Scroobal should put up my latest analysis on the two candidates. The appearance of LTK and other MPs along side of Png also put a big contrast to Desmond's relatively low profile contest. That's another critical mistake they are making.

Goh Meng Seng



You should read the papers because apparently they have the same level of credibility as you. DC is also going for high profile contest. Secondly which kopitiam you went too? I suspect you only went to staff lounge inside Hougang RC and then claim no one there support PEH.
 

Kinana

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The analysis is just plain logic.
WP will have problems recruiting minorities from now on while more will surely quit in the coming months, including Chinese.

I predict a narrow win by PAP.
 

Huat-Ah

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the selection of Png to contest against Desmond is one big mistake.
Goh Meng Seng

@ Goh Meng Seng

You talk BIG in 2011 Election. And in the End...Your WHOLE TEAM NSP has FAILED.... My 2cents advice for you is STOP thinking too much . Don't exhaust your body and your mind. It is time for you to move on to other stuff rather waste time on politics.


The analysis is just plain logic.
WP will have problems recruiting minorities from now on while more will surely quit in the coming months, including Chinese.

I predict a narrow win by PAP.


And now your turn boy Kinana,
Rectify your typo mistake. It is Narrow win by Workers Party :wink:


No go back to your room and masterbate. Don't waste time lurking this adult forum. This is NOT for kids.
Go play your PC games and your Ku Ku Jiao. Be a good boy :smile:
 
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zhihau

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You should read the papers because apparently they have the same level of credibility as you

actually, me suspect that the Hougang folks knows exactly what kind of GURU our dear GMS哥哥 is and didn't want to get into any debate with idiots, hence clamming up and not uttering a word of BE :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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