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    Quote Originally Posted by drifter View Post
    thanks for the infor niwdee . fuck singapore goverment !!!!!!
    You fuck the Singapore Government for fuck?

    This is very much of a Malaysia internal political issue, and I don't think it is relevant for them to bring this protest to Singapore. I'm sure if there is a gathering of UMNO dogs here, the permit will not be approved too.

    Anyway before the last GE, Anwar came to Singapore and gave a big interview to the media, nobody stoppped him!!

    I hope that SDPpies and Dr Chee Bye's dogs are not too quick to condemn PAP for every damn thing!
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    I am just wondering why Spore cannot hold protests while Malaysia can. All the MY police did is to disburse the protesters using water guns, if in Spore, the police will probably lock up all those protesting in double quick time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eErotica69 View Post
    You fuck the Singapore Government for fuck?

    This is very much of a Malaysia internal political issue, and I don't think it is relevant for them to bring this protest to Singapore. I'm sure if there is a gathering of UMNO dogs here, the permit will not be approved too.

    Anyway before the last GE, Anwar came to Singapore and gave a big interview to the media, nobody stoppped him!!

    I hope that SDPpies and Dr Chee Bye's dogs are not too quick to condemn PAP for every damn thing!
    when i fuck singapore goverment must give you good reason ? singaporean goverment fuck singaporean upside down for years also never give reason

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    I supposed it is about courage. Malaysia started theirs with the now defunct HINDRAF movement which showed all Malaysians that if you unite together, you need not fear the government. People saw that Malaysians can protest maturely and that police can be heavy handed with many evidence strewn across the world. This was superceded with Bersih 1.0 which the legal fraternity marched to the palace of justice in putrajaya and that was one of the cleanest as the police wasn't planning to hurt any lawyers, perhaps they do not know how to charge them or having their prosecutors charge people they know so well, so many at once. The biggest change came in the last 8th March election. The malaysians came out in force and knew a change was necessary. Can you believe that the following day instead of a celebration by the masses, the biggest question was actually, "will there be trouble like May 13th?" The truth which was known shortly was that it will not be. And then they came out in full force to celebrate the victory and quite a number of older generations who thought that BN will be in government for the next 3 generations begin to change their personal believe. Bersih 2.0 was shown as a government inability to decide how much freedom they want to give the people. To be fair to BN, they do want to hand "some" power back to the people. I am a little bit on the fence sitting here though sympathetically leaning towards the cause of Bersih. The reason is simple. The simple was task to prevent any massive problem. If you look at all other Bersih 3.0 gathering outside KL, they were done with the police watching nicely by and then the crowd dispersing like they should. It was a victory for all outside KL. But the KL incident somehow was marred by confusion and lack of cordination by the top level planners. Perhaps the overzealous bottom didn't have a chance to ask their boss for a reaction order. I believe if they had let the people have their very own constituition rights to protest on the grounds our forefathers saw independence, then nothing of that sort would have happened. The crowd would just sit for 2 hours and maybe sing the national anthem with some leaders giving some speeches yadda yadda and the end. Perhaps if BN wanted to win some hearts they could even join in the rally and say that they are into changing Malaysia and give speech, that could swing quite a few percentage points over.

    Truth be told, the Malaysians truly have guts and believe in their cause.

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    The event is probably more for creating awareness than achieving any real tangible outcome, in preparation for the coming election.
    All ruling parties are smart enough to control the army hence the possibility of overthrowing the ruling party is NIL.
    The few countries that did manage to overthrow the government, from my knowledge, is still in tatters.
    Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia.. or look further at Iraq, Afganistan, Egypt, Libya.
    Unfortunately the only way to tackle electoral irregularities is through gradual increase in representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    I supposed it is about courage. Malaysia started theirs with the now defunct HINDRAF movement which showed all Malaysians that if you unite together, you need not fear the government. People saw that Malaysians can protest maturely and that police can be heavy handed with many evidence strewn across the world. This was superceded with Bersih 1.0 which the legal fraternity marched to the palace of justice in putrajaya and that was one of the cleanest as the police wasn't planning to hurt any lawyers, perhaps they do not know how to charge them or having their prosecutors charge people they know so well, so many at once. The biggest change came in the last 8th March election. The malaysians came out in force and knew a change was necessary. Can you believe that the following day instead of a celebration by the masses, the biggest question was actually, "will there be trouble like May 13th?" The truth which was known shortly was that it will not be. And then they came out in full force to celebrate the victory and quite a number of older generations who thought that BN will be in government for the next 3 generations begin to change their personal believe. Bersih 2.0 was shown as a government inability to decide how much freedom they want to give the people. To be fair to BN, they do want to hand "some" power back to the people. I am a little bit on the fence sitting here though sympathetically leaning towards the cause of Bersih. The reason is simple. The simple was task to prevent any massive problem. If you look at all other Bersih 3.0 gathering outside KL, they were done with the police watching nicely by and then the crowd dispersing like they should. It was a victory for all outside KL. But the KL incident somehow was marred by confusion and lack of cordination by the top level planners. Perhaps the overzealous bottom didn't have a chance to ask their boss for a reaction order. I believe if they had let the people have their very own constituition rights to protest on the grounds our forefathers saw independence, then nothing of that sort would have happened. The crowd would just sit for 2 hours and maybe sing the national anthem with some leaders giving some speeches yadda yadda and the end. Perhaps if BN wanted to win some hearts they could even join in the rally and say that they are into changing Malaysia and give speech, that could swing quite a few percentage points over.

    Truth be told, the Malaysians truly have guts and believe in their cause.
    Oic so the lawyers were the ones who started Bersih 1. Thought lawyers are mercenary, just wondering what prompted the MY lawyers to do that? What were they protesting? Never heard of Spore lawyers have anything to protest about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMans2011 View Post
    The event is probably more for creating awareness than achieving any real tangible outcome, in preparation for the coming election.
    All ruling parties are smart enough to control the army hence the possibility of overthrowing the ruling party is NIL.
    The few countries that did manage to overthrow the government, from my knowledge, is still in tatters.
    Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia.. or look further at Iraq, Afganistan, Egypt, Libya.
    Unfortunately the only way to tackle electoral irregularities is through gradual increase in representation.
    Demonstrations are a method for the public to put pressure on the gov't. We may not see a direct impact but I bet that the people at UMNO are sitting up & taking notice. I read that the elections in Malaysia will probably be delayed because now the gov't is unpopular because of the heavy handed way they dealt with the demonstrations.

    By the way Indonesia under SBY has received high marks from the business community. They are forecasting a positive growth for the Indo economy.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...099626342.html

    Indonesian Economy Grows at Top Clip Since '90s

    By FARIDA HUSNA and ANDREAS ISMAR

    JAKARTA—Indonesia's economy grew last year at its fastest pace since the 1997-98 Asian crisis, with the country's large domestic market helping to shield it from the global economic turmoil battering its more export-oriented neighbors.

    Indonesia is shining as one of Asia's strongest emerging markets given a healthy boost in GDP growth. The WSJ's Deborah Kan speaks to Alex Frangos.

    Gross domestic product expanded 6.5% in 2011, affirming Indonesia's position as one of Asia's fastest-growing economies and highlighting its appeal to investors.

    In recent years, some companies and investors have touted Indonesia as the next India or China, as strong growth and relative political stability boost confidence in its fortunes, although its growth has lagged well behind those regional giants.

    Foreign direct investment in Indonesia grew 20% to a record $20 billion last year as companies invested in areas such as coal mines and car factories to tap the country's vast natural resources and 240 million-strong consumer market.

    Executives and investors complain that Indonesia lacks the legal protections and infrastructure needed to bump growth into double digits. Yet its GDP has grown more than 5% in seven out of the past eight years, and even in 2009—when many countries slumped into recession on the heels of Lehman Brothers' collapse—Southeast Asia's largest economy managed to squeeze out 4.5% growth.

    The Central Statistics Agency announced Monday that the economy expanded 6.5% from a year earlier in the October-December quarter, driven by strong household consumption and capital investment. That matched the previous quarter's growth and was in line with market expectations.

    Economists generally are optimistic that the economy will remain resilient this year, especially with the central bank keeping monetary policy easy. Bank Indonesia is expected to keep its policy rate at 6%, a record low, when it meets Thursday, but has tinkered recently with deposit rates to boost market liquidity.

    "Indonesia's GDP growth has been remarkably stable and robust in 2011, in line with our view that Indonesia will remain a beacon of growth in a world where growth is scarce," Credit Suisse economist Kun Lung Wu said. "We expect real GDP growth to remain strong at around 6% in 2012, but we think there is a risk that policy could remain too loose for too long."

    The median forecast of 11 economists polled by Dow Jones Newswires was for 6.48% year-to-year growth. Eight of the economists forecast an quarter-to-quarter contraction of 1.52%.

    In sequential terms, the economy contracted 1.3% in October-December from the third quarter, when it expanded a revised 3.4%. That decline was attributed to slower economic activity during the year-end holiday season and the hit to exports from economic struggles in the West.

    All sectors except mining grew last year, said Suryamin, the statistics agency's acting head, who like many Indonesians goes by a single name. Telecommunications, hotel and restaurant and financial companies showed the biggest growth.

    Net profits of companies listed on the Indonesian Stock Exchange may rise an average of 27% last year and 18% this year, said Ferry Wong, head of Indonesian equity research at Citigroup.
    [INDOECON]

    Indonesia's stable growth also stands out in comparison to more volatile and disappointing results from export-dependent neighbors such as the Philippines and Singapore, highlighting the resilience of its domestic market.

    Exports hit a record of $203.6 billion last year yet their share of Indonesian GDP rose only marginally—to 26.3% in 2011, from 24.6% in 2010. Consumption still accounts for more than half of GDP, at 55.5% in 2011 and 56.6% in 2010.

    Bambang Brodjonegoro, head of the Finance Ministry's Fiscal Policy Board, said exports will likely contribute less to economic growth this year. "Therefore, boosting private and public investment will be our focus to maintain growth momentum," he said.

    Companies profiting from the increasingly confident and affluent Indonesian consumer say times have been good despite the economic turmoil abroad.

    Airline Garuda Indonesia saw the number of passengers it carries jump 37% last year and expects similar growth this year. The airline is opening new routes and buying new planes to capture the expected growth.

    "The strong middle-class economy really has really been supporting the Indonesian aviation industry," said Pudjobroto, a spokesman for Garuda who uses only one name. "We are optimistic that even with the country's limited infrastructure, the future of the aviation industry is bright here."

    Finance Minister Agus Martowardojo said he expected total investments made by private sector and the government to grow as much as 10% this year, after rising more than 8% in 2011.

    Foreign direct investment is likely to remain robust over the medium term after Moody's Investors Services and Fitch Ratings recently upgraded Indonesia's credit ratings to investment grade.

    The passage of a bill in December that aims to expedite land purchases for infrastructure projects bodes well for investment over the long term.

    "We're laggards in terms of infrastructure. The land bill could spur growth of the construction sector by around 30% annually," said M. Choliq, chief executive of unlisted state-owned construction firm PT Waskita Karya.

    Gatot Suwondo, CEO of PT Bank Negara Indonesia, the fourth biggest bank by assets, said the government can improve the investment climate by revising the country's rigid labor law, among others. Mr. Suwondo remains optimistic for this year, forecasting the bank's net profit to grow by "at least 30%" this year, following an estimated 30% rise in 2011.

    "No matter what, we remain of the view that this year's slower growth is likely to be temporary in nature," OCBC economist Gundy Cahyadi said. "We remain fundamentally positive on our medium-term assessment of the Indonesian economy."
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    Mereka bukan Melayu, Cina mahupun India.. tetapi mereka adalah RAKYAT MALAYSIA.. Mereka selama ini dipisahkan antara 3 kaum untuk saling prejudis antara satu sama lain bagi memudahkan sesuatu isu perkauman dibangkitkan oleh penguasa sekarang.. "SALUTE" Bersih 3.0 yang benar-benar membuatkan airmata ADMIN mengalir tanpa disedari... ♥ you all !!!

    They are not Malay, Chinese and India .. but they are CITIZENS OF MALAYSIA .. They are separated for between 3 races for the mutual prejudice of each other to facilitate a racial issue raised by the authorities now .. "Salute" Net 3.0 that really makes the tears flow unnoticed ADMIN ... ♥ you all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginfreely View Post
    Oic so the lawyers were the ones who started Bersih 1. Thought lawyers are mercenary, just wondering what prompted the MY lawyers to do that? What were they protesting? Never heard of Spore lawyers have anything to protest about.
    Nice story. Didn't know that Malaysia protest is started by lawyer. Now become all Malaysian citizen regardless race and religious. All in for one purpose fair election and anti corruption.
    Now there is a group by student copy USA occupy here and there. Very soon number will be reach 10k.
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    got this version from ...

    BBC and Astro ... lol ... astro liar..

    Last edited by KNNBCCB; 30-04-2012 at 12:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narong Wongwan View Post
    Malaysians have got more balls and more politically savvy than the 60.1% of sinkies.
    Winds of change is blowing up north, when will it be our turn?
    Sure the winds will change direction from south-west to north-east Monsiin - if you let the Ah Neh's part-time cleaner from Hougang and her Ah Neh lawyer lead all you anti-PAP, anti-goverhment, anti-Singapore by the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myo539 View Post
    Sure the winds will change direction from south-west to north-east Monsiin - if you let the Ah Neh's part-time cleaner from Hougang and her Ah Neh lawyer lead all you anti-PAP, anti-goverhment, anti-Singapore by the nose.
    Anything wrong with that?

    Or you prefer to be led by the nose by the you-know-who?

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    Please do not believe anything about racial harmony in Malaysia. Not sure why people are so gullible. The chief organiser of the whole event is Keling. The main drivers of the event are supporters of PKR. It is a big mistake for DAP to align itself with PKR... yet again.

    The only thing i agree is the entire police force deserves to be shot.

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    using longkang water for water canon ?


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    This video is sincerely dedicated to those friends who did not join the Bersih rally and who misunderstand our peaceful intention.


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    BERSIH Worldwide...


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    wow...singapore also got ?

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