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menghuii

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Many a times, flippers became floppers. Even high end places in KL like Mont Kiara or KLCC is no different. MK28 was sold at RM750 psf then. Today it is as low as RM690 psf and only 30% occupancy. MK11 is also in a tough situation. KLCC too is the same, just too many units on the market. High price and high valuation yes, but just no takers. In the end, rentals not enough to meet mortgage repayments. But for some exceptionals, they do not need rentals. They just accumulate properties for capital appreciation.

i read your post twice to guess correctly the flipflop but i still wonder why the kl pty market in this case still has many developer wanting to build? surely it must because they believe there are still buyers who want to buy new properties for keeps awaiting appreciation. but isnt this scenario wierd? or people still believe pty investment is still the
best bet?
 

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There are no floppers for those early birds Iskandar buyers obviously. Not that I know of.
But I cant say the same from 2014 onwards.

In the past, there are many projects that were abandoned in Johore baru. Most notable are the shopping complex along Jln Skudai, Taman Mewah Jaya, Taman Desa Larkin, Taman Seri Baiduri and Taman Cahaya Kota Puteri. The other one is Best World shopping complex near Tampoi. Investing in properties in Malaysia is very different from Singapore. As mentioned many times in Ho Chin Soon's seminar, always go with the big developers.
 

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i read your post twice to guess correctly the flipflop but i still wonder why the kl pty market in this case still has many developer wanting to build? surely it must because they believe there are still buyers who want to buy new properties for keeps awaiting appreciation. but isnt this scenario wierd? or people still believe pty investment is still the
best bet?

Traditionally Chinese believed that having a house is a must in one's lifetime. They never believe in anything else. To invest in property is a wise move as long as it is within your own means which effectively means that you do not need to struggle at all. This include cash flows, stand by idle funds or just one's joy in property accumulation. But when one buy a property just to flip, there's an element of greed and investing aggressiveness.
This is where developers come into the picture. They will price up and dangle the DIBS plus early bird discounts in front of you so naively you tend to think you do not pay anything upfront to buy. Hopefully when TOP, you flip and get a handsome profit. But when every developer in town start to do the same, then you are in trouble. The market is the same, the purchasing power is the same but the price keep going up as the perceived demand snaps up all the units. The resale flip price is low due to too many units in the market, the monthly bank repayments comes in, the RGPT is there and you can't rent it out. So sometimes, it is better to be realistic and live within your means. For me, investments must be joyful and fun, otherwise it is not worth the trouble.
 

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Lord, forgive them for they do not know what they are saying ! Without Singapore's infusion of wealth into Johor, they will still be at back waters. This is what i say "Naive"

That's what every country locals complain about foreigners. London, Australia, Singapore
 

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i read your post twice to guess correctly the flipflop but i still wonder why the kl pty market in this case still has many developer wanting to build? surely it must because they believe there are still buyers who want to buy new properties for keeps awaiting appreciation. but isnt this scenario wierd? or people still believe pty investment is still the
best bet?

I believe launches in 2015 will slow down when GST starts biting, which is when costs will escalate sharply. Developers are launching and building ahead of demand. The take-up may be slower now but the pent-up demand will force buyers to (i) save more, (ii) loan for longer period, and (iii) use parents' name and ask parents to pay the 20% down payment. (iii) happened in Singapore in 2011-2013 but the clamp-down in 2013 caused the slowdown we are experiencing now. However (iii) could have just started in Malaysia now.
 

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Yes sadly and these are the older investors who will avoid buying properties in JB or Malaysia at all cost. Sadly too, they missed the boat of Iskandar which could make them at least a few million ringgit richer. We cant really blame them as many of their life savings were wiped off in Malaysia during CLOB saga and property developers going bust on purpose.

In the past, there are many projects that were abandoned in Johore baru. Most notable are the shopping complex along Jln Skudai, Taman Mewah Jaya, Taman Desa Larkin, Taman Seri Baiduri and Taman Cahaya Kota Puteri. The other one is Best World shopping complex near Tampoi. Investing in properties in Malaysia is very different from Singapore. As mentioned many times in Ho Chin Soon's seminar, always go with the big developers.
 

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Yes sadly and these are the older investors who will avoid buying properties in JB or Malaysia at all cost. Sadly too, they missed the boat of Iskandar which could make them at least a few million ringgit richer. We cant really blame them as many of their life savings were wiped off in Malaysia during CLOB saga and property developers going bust on purpose.

sad? are you sure? they may have made money here itself.
 
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The following F&B outlets are more or less confirmed at Puteri Harbour, same row as Olive and Brussels:

- Piedra Negra (Mexican)
- Nusa (Indonesian)
- Khou Thai
- New Zealand Unlimited (Fine Dining)
- Magnum Sports Bar (Renovation in Full Swing, next to the Tobacco place, should open soon)
- The Rouge Wine Lounge
- The Whiskey Bar

- Spice and Grill (First Floor)
 

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The following F&B outlets are more or less confirmed at Puteri Harbour, same row as Olive and Brussels:

- Piedra Negra (Mexican)
- Nusa (Indonesian)
- Khou Thai
- New Zealand Unlimited (Fine Dining)
- Magnum Sports Bar (Renovation in Full Swing, next to the Tobacco place, should open soon)
- The Rouge Wine Lounge
- The Whiskey Bar

- Spice and Grill (First Floor)

Sports bar would be good.
It be packed with football fans from Premier league to World Cup.
 

Dfiris

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The following F&B outlets are more or less confirmed at Puteri Harbour, same row as Olive and Brussels:

- Piedra Negra (Mexican)
- Nusa (Indonesian)
- Khou Thai
- New Zealand Unlimited (Fine Dining)
- Magnum Sports Bar (Renovation in Full Swing, next to the Tobacco place, should open soon)
- The Rouge Wine Lounge
- The Whiskey Bar

- Spice and Grill (First Floor)

Bro, any insights to the establishments at Somerset Puteri Harbour? Any excitement?
 

IskandarRocks

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Bro, any insights to the establishments at Somerset Puteri Harbour? Any excitement?

Hi Dfiris,

Not really sure about Somerset, as the source is different. I would guess Somerset would be through NCSB or UM Land. The current ones I posted are through Little Red Cube. The only thing I have heard regarding Somerset is they they are negotiating with Cold Storage, this was from the UEM Land folks.

I will definitely post if I find anything.

Hopefully, it will keep getting better. :smile:

Cheers,

IR
 
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Another developer from China comes to Johor Baru, plans RM10bil project
Published: Thursday April 17, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Thursday April 17, 2014 MYT 9:36:43 AM

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PETALING JAYA: The Greenland Group is the latest developer from China to purchase land for a property project in Danga Bay, Johor Baru.

It entered an agreement yesterday to buy 13.96 acres from Iskandar Waterfront Holdings Sdn Bhd (IWH) for RM600mil with plans to develop projects with a potential gross development value (GDV) of RM2.2bil. The transaction comes amid an environment where property developers are seeing lacklustre response from buyers for their launches in Johor.

The latest to feel the heat was Singapore’s Pacific Star Development Pvt Ltd that saw only 25% bookings in the second phase of its condominium project in Puteri Harbour that is located in Iskandar Malaysia.

The purchase price works out to RM984 per sq ft, which is just below the record RM991 psf that Hao Yuan Pte Ltd, a Singapore-based but China-owned firm paid for 37 acres in Danga Bay last December.

However according to sources, Greenland planned to purchase more land at lower valuations, an exercise that may average down its cost.

“This is only the beginning for Greenland which is a state-owned enterprise” sources said. The Shanghai-based firm is understood to be eyeing a GDV in excess of RM10bil in Danga Bay with several more transactions to be wrapped up in the coming months.

This is Greenland’s maiden investment in Malaysia, for which it will form a joint venture with IWH to develop the land into an integrated project within five years.

Inclusive of the Greenland transactions, IWH has to-date inked 17 deals with local and foreign partners to develop properties worth RM127bil in GDV, providing a fillip to its ambitious plan of transforming the coastline of Johor bordering Singapore into a waterfront metropolis.

According to industry executives, Greenland is set to finalise “very soon” the purchase of two more land parcels on the eastern corridor of Johor Baru near the Permas Jaya township, where Tropicana Corp Bhd is also a landowner.

Previous news reports said Greenland was keen on acquiring around 60ha in Iskandar Malaysia.

At least four other major China developers were in talks with IWH for mixed-use developments featuring waterfront properties, the company said in a statement.

“This massive influx of foreign direct investment is a boon for Malaysia and Johor because of the economic spillover and thousands of job opportunities that these projects will generate,” IWH managing director Tan Sri Lim Kang Hoo said.

“We believe Greenland Group will pave the way for more China state-owned companies to invest in outstanding property projects in Iskandar Malaysia and IWH’s extensive waterfront landbank in Johor Baru.”

A delegation from Greenland had visited Malaysia in February to explore investment opportunities. The state-backed group has over the past few years snapped up real estate in major cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Sydney, London and South Korea.

IWH is the master developer of 1,620ha of waterfront land in the eastern and western side of the Johor Causeway, with Danga Bay, located in Zone A of Iskandar Malaysia, as its centrepiece.

Other international property players who have already secured a foothold in Danga Bay include Singapore’s Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd and CapitaLand Ltd, Australia’s Walker Group and China’s Country Garden Holdings Ltd and Hao Yuan, while local firms with ongoing developments include Tropicana and the Brunsfield Group.

Maybank IB Research had recently expressed concern about Iskandar Malaysia’s medium-term prospects, saying the massive incoming supply of residential and retail properties in hotspots like Danga Bay and Nusajaya could be harmful to asset values.

“Judging from the planned launches (serviced apartments, hotels, office and retail spaces) by Country Garden, Hao Yuan, Guangzhou R&F Properties Co Ltd, CapitaLand and Greenland Group, the hotspot areas, ie, Danga Bay and Tanjung Puteri, could be flooded with an enormous supply of high-rise mixed development projects, inducing price volatility,” it said in a client note last week.

“For instance, Guangzhou R&F plans to launch 15 blocks of 35-storey apartment buildings under phase 1 in the second half of this year, which implies an enormous 3,150 units of apartments, assuming six units per floor.

“That said, investor interest could return to developers with projects in Iskandar Malaysia on the finalisation of the Johor Baru-Singapore rapid transit system. Also, the listing of IWH in the second half could re-rate existing players in Iskandar Malaysia.”

PA International Property Consultants Sdn Bhd executive director V Sivadas told StarBiz that buyers were in “transition mode” due to changes in state policy and foreign ownership.

“People still have money, but they are being more careful about how they use it,” he said.
 

PuteriWorld

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At this rate property developers are coming in with money to build houses, people will be mistaken that JB city is the one having the target of 6.9 million residents.

Entire Johor has about 3 million residents of which probably 1 million stays in JB and about 200k stays around Customs. They seem to be building houses for EVERYONE and not every family
 

Dfiris

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Same thing as cars.. not every family but everyone owns one

At this rate property developers are coming in with money to build houses, people will be mistaken that JB city is the one having the target of 6.9 million residents.

Entire Johor has about 3 million residents of which probably 1 million stays in JB and about 200k stays around Customs. They seem to be building houses for EVERYONE and not every family
 

DCputeri

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Danga bay area will become concrete jungle. Just hope development at PH will not expand anymore. Better to be in a small and limited area.
Another developer from China comes to Johor Baru, plans RM10bil project
Published: Thursday April 17, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Thursday April 17, 2014 MYT 9:36:43 AM

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PETALING JAYA: The Greenland Group is the latest developer from China to purchase land for a property project in Danga Bay, Johor Baru.

It entered an agreement yesterday to buy 13.96 acres from Iskandar Waterfront Holdings Sdn Bhd (IWH) for RM600mil with plans to develop projects with a potential gross development value (GDV) of RM2.2bil. The transaction comes amid an environment where property developers are seeing lacklustre response from buyers for their launches in Johor.

The latest to feel the heat was Singapore’s Pacific Star Development Pvt Ltd that saw only 25% bookings in the second phase of its condominium project in Puteri Harbour that is located in Iskandar Malaysia.

The purchase price works out to RM984 per sq ft, which is just below the record RM991 psf that Hao Yuan Pte Ltd, a Singapore-based but China-owned firm paid for 37 acres in Danga Bay last December.

However according to sources, Greenland planned to purchase more land at lower valuations, an exercise that may average down its cost.

“This is only the beginning for Greenland which is a state-owned enterprise” sources said. The Shanghai-based firm is understood to be eyeing a GDV in excess of RM10bil in Danga Bay with several more transactions to be wrapped up in the coming months.

This is Greenland’s maiden investment in Malaysia, for which it will form a joint venture with IWH to develop the land into an integrated project within five years.

Inclusive of the Greenland transactions, IWH has to-date inked 17 deals with local and foreign partners to develop properties worth RM127bil in GDV, providing a fillip to its ambitious plan of transforming the coastline of Johor bordering Singapore into a waterfront metropolis.

According to industry executives, Greenland is set to finalise “very soon” the purchase of two more land parcels on the eastern corridor of Johor Baru near the Permas Jaya township, where Tropicana Corp Bhd is also a landowner.

Previous news reports said Greenland was keen on acquiring around 60ha in Iskandar Malaysia.

At least four other major China developers were in talks with IWH for mixed-use developments featuring waterfront properties, the company said in a statement.

“This massive influx of foreign direct investment is a boon for Malaysia and Johor because of the economic spillover and thousands of job opportunities that these projects will generate,” IWH managing director Tan Sri Lim Kang Hoo said.

“We believe Greenland Group will pave the way for more China state-owned companies to invest in outstanding property projects in Iskandar Malaysia and IWH’s extensive waterfront landbank in Johor Baru.”

A delegation from Greenland had visited Malaysia in February to explore investment opportunities. The state-backed group has over the past few years snapped up real estate in major cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Sydney, London and South Korea.

IWH is the master developer of 1,620ha of waterfront land in the eastern and western side of the Johor Causeway, with Danga Bay, located in Zone A of Iskandar Malaysia, as its centrepiece.

Other international property players who have already secured a foothold in Danga Bay include Singapore’s Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd and CapitaLand Ltd, Australia’s Walker Group and China’s Country Garden Holdings Ltd and Hao Yuan, while local firms with ongoing developments include Tropicana and the Brunsfield Group.

Maybank IB Research had recently expressed concern about Iskandar Malaysia’s medium-term prospects, saying the massive incoming supply of residential and retail properties in hotspots like Danga Bay and Nusajaya could be harmful to asset values.

“Judging from the planned launches (serviced apartments, hotels, office and retail spaces) by Country Garden, Hao Yuan, Guangzhou R&F Properties Co Ltd, CapitaLand and Greenland Group, the hotspot areas, ie, Danga Bay and Tanjung Puteri, could be flooded with an enormous supply of high-rise mixed development projects, inducing price volatility,” it said in a client note last week.

“For instance, Guangzhou R&F plans to launch 15 blocks of 35-storey apartment buildings under phase 1 in the second half of this year, which implies an enormous 3,150 units of apartments, assuming six units per floor.

“That said, investor interest could return to developers with projects in Iskandar Malaysia on the finalisation of the Johor Baru-Singapore rapid transit system. Also, the listing of IWH in the second half could re-rate existing players in Iskandar Malaysia.”

PA International Property Consultants Sdn Bhd executive director V Sivadas told StarBiz that buyers were in “transition mode” due to changes in state policy and foreign ownership.

“People still have money, but they are being more careful about how they use it,” he said.
 

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Danga bay area will become concrete jungle. Just hope development at PH will not expand anymore. Better to be in a small and limited area.

No worries. So far, PH is sticking to its masterplan. Exclusiveness is in the vocab of UEM Sunrise. With the number of watering holes as posted by Bro Iskandar Rocks, the harbour is set to be the happening part of the town. Even if there's new projects, it would be moving inwards towards Medini. Danga bay belong to Iskandar WaterFront Holdings, they are the master developer and they would sell whatever they could to recoup the land reclaimation cost. In that sense, they do not care what the developers would do whether they build 9000 units or 19,000 units.
 

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At this rate property developers are coming in with money to build houses, people will be mistaken that JB city is the one having the target of 6.9 million residents.

Entire Johor has about 3 million residents of which probably 1 million stays in JB and about 200k stays around Customs. They seem to be building houses for EVERYONE and not every family

Very funny hahaha...

A planned and managed Medini/PH vs the opposite Danga Bay/JB contrast will show more and more as time comes.
 

menghuii

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Frost & Sullivan had their award ceremony at Puteri Harbour, Traders Hotel


"Iskandar was a very natural choice for hosting this event in line with the theme of Connected Living. Iskandar has all the elements to be a fantastic test bed for connected living solutions. It is our hope that this forum will help generate ideas that will accelerate the development of solutions and business models to drive growth for the next five years," said Manoj Menon, Senior Partner and Asia Pacific Managing Director for Frost & Sullivan.


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia, Feb. 28, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- This year, Frost & Sullivan will be celebrating the 10th Annual Malaysia Excellence Awards with an array of events including the Malaysian edition of its flagship event, Growth, Innovation & Leadership (GIL). Frost & Sullivan is excited to host GIL Malaysia and the Malaysia Excellence Awards on 15 April 2014 at Traders Hotel Puteri Harbour in Iskandar, Johor.

Frost & Sullivan's global community of Growth, Innovation and Leadership is focused on sharing, engaging and inspiring a continuous flow of new ideas and fresh perspectives which leverage innovation as a resource to help address global challenges. This year, GIL Malaysia is centered on the theme of 'Connected Living'.

"Iskandar was a very natural choice for hosting this event in line with the theme of Connected Living. Iskandar has all the elements to be a fantastic test bed for connected living solutions. It is our hope that this forum will help generate ideas that will accelerate the development of solutions and business models to drive growth for the next five years," said Manoj Menon, Senior Partner and Asia Pacific Managing Director for Frost & Sullivan.

He continued, "We look forward to host the regions foremost leaders and hear inspiring stories of their vision and ambition for growth, innovation and leadership of the country and the region."

Participants will be welcomed with a cocktail reception on the evening of Monday, 14 April 2014. GIL Malaysia will commence with keynote presentations, think tanks and panel discussions on Tuesday, 15 April 2014. This full day event will also showcase an exclusive session titled 'Legends of Asia' where Movers and Shakers of the Malaysian business world will come together for an interactive discussion focused around the future outlook of Asia.

The evening will close with the 10th Annual Malaysia Excellence Awards. The 2014 Malaysia Excellence Awards will celebrate 10 years of excellence, recognizing Malaysian companies for demonstrating outstanding achievement and superior performance in areas such as leadership, technological innovation, customer service and strategic product development.

GIL Malaysia will conclude with a golf tournament at Horizon Hills Golf & Country Club on Wednesday morning, 16 April 2014.
 

DCputeri

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Look forward to enjoying it.
No worries. So far, PH is sticking to its masterplan. Exclusiveness is in the vocab of UEM Sunrise. With the number of watering holes as posted by Bro Iskandar Rocks, the harbour is set to be the happening part of the town. Even if there's new projects, it would be moving inwards towards Medini. Danga bay belong to Iskandar WaterFront Holdings, they are the master developer and they would sell whatever they could to recoup the land reclaimation cost. In that sense, they do not care what the developers would do whether they build 9000 units or 19,000 units.
 
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