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LKY says 'Unless we have more babies, we need to accept immigrants’ (like it or not!)

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Yahoo! NewsroomYahoo! Newsroom – 3 minutes 30 seconds ago

Singapore’s downward trend of population growth is damaging to its economy, said former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew on Friday.

Speaking at a Tanjong Pagar group representation constituency Chinese New Year dinner, Lee said that given our almost record-low birth rate of 1.2 from last year, Singapore will need to depend on immigrants to “make up our numbers”, reported The Straits Times (ST).

He also shared the breakdown — 1.08 for Chinese, 1.09 for Indians and 1.64 for Malays — with 2.1 as the benchmark replacement rate, reported TODAY.

“In other words the population of Chinese Singaporeans in the next generation, 18 to 20 years, will half,” he was quoted by the paper as saying as well.

Comparing the number of babies born in Singapore when he was prime minister in 1959 (more than 62,000) and the number of babies born in 2011 (about 36,000), Lee commented that the task of increasing the nation’s population is its “biggest challenge”.

He added that having babies may be a personal matter, but has “considerable consequences” for Singapore, reported ST.

He noted how trends of women being more highly educated and the movement toward greater gender equality at the workplace have contributed to the phenomenon of a declining birth rate, adding that currently, some 44.2 per cent of men and 31 per cent of women between the ages of 30 and 34 are still single.

The broadsheet also reported that Lee compared Singapore’s economy to that of Japan’s, saying that their resistance to receiving immigrants has resulted in stagnation in its economy.

“The Japanese have large reserves and can withstand slow growth for a long time,” he was quoted as saying, adding that the choice to take a hostile stance to immigrants is something that Singapore “cannot afford to make”.

“Like it or not, unless we have more babies, we need to accept immigrants,” he added.
 

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singkies are shooting blanks.
they screw everyone else except their wives.
 

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Why is he so obsessed with making babies? he miss doing it with Gecko? filthy old man,,near his death bed but still so obsessed with it
 

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Unless fucking stupid PAP build bigger houses with cheaper price, and lower the cost of living so as to allow one spouse to be a home maker at will, Singaporeans will not be able to have big families.
 
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Why is he so obsessed with making babies? he miss doing it with Gecko? filthy old man,,near his death bed but still so obsessed with it

A low fertility rate is a convenient excuse to jack up the population to 6 million.

In Singapore Inc, it's all about the GDP. Your quality of life can kiss PAP's arse.

Anyhow, the 6 million population is coming soon whether you like it or not. The land sales/developments, new hospitals and new MRT lines will not be built for nothing. They will want their return on investment.

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laksaboy said:
A low fertility rate is a convenient excuse to jack up the population to 6 million.

In Singapore Inc, it's all about the GDP. Your quality of life can kiss PAP's arse.

Anyhow, the 6 million population is coming soon whether you like it or not. The land sales/developments, new hospitals and new MRT lines will not be built for nothing. They will want their return on investment.

Your GDP per capita (incidentally might not go up with GDP growth if population also increases) of USD59k with a Gini index of 0.5 maybe not be much different from a GDP per capita of USD 30k with Gini of 0.25 for a guy with a median income.
 

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Good point.

Anyhow, the 6 million population is coming soon whether you like it or not. The land sales/developments, new hospitals and new MRT lines will not be built for nothing. They will want their return on investment.
 

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Your GDP per capita (incidentally might not go up with GDP growth if population also increases) of USD59k with a Gini index of 0.5 maybe not be much different from a GDP per capita of USD 30k with Gini of 0.25 for a guy with a median income.

Yes better to have low numbers n high quality than the otherway round but PAP seems to prefer the high numbers low quality thinking
 

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Had the fucking useless moronic PAP not impose such strong arm tactic of "stop at 2" policy, we would not have such rapid rate of declining population! Fuck the PAP and it's moronic "foresight"!

The past idiotic "stop at 2" policy has resulted in current rapid declining population. The current moronic policy to increase population with immigrants and FTs will result in future problems of overcrowding and rapid burgeoning problems of aging population and overtaxing limited resource! PAP is the fucking problem!
 
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Your GDP per capita (incidentally might not go up with GDP growth if population also increases) of USD59k with a Gini index of 0.5 maybe not be much different from a GDP per capita of USD 30k with Gini of 0.25 for a guy with a median income.

Just sidetrack a bit. Hope you can help me on how "per capita" is calculated. Is it divided by population size of the citizen or population size of the residence staying her for a certain length of time or population size of the workforce? If it is the latter 2, how do they know the size with all the illegal ah neh and ah tiong workers, coming in as tourists.
 
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he stop us at two...now blaming sinkies for not having enough...lky is very kl
 

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he stop us at two...now blaming sinkies for not having enough...lky is very kl

Even so, do you really want to make babies and raise them in this crowded hellhole, then subject them to MOE's education system, NS (for the boys), and finally competition with FTs when they finally go to work? Then have a large chunk of their earned salary locked up in CPF forever?

Have mercy on your unborn children. Don't let them become a Singapore citizen.

Even if the locals experience a sudden baby boom, I doubt that the PAP will reduce the number of foreigners entering the country. They want those foreigners. Blaming sub-par fertility rates is a very convenient excuse for unpopular immigration policies.
 

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Seee3 said:
Just sidetrack a bit. Hope you can help me on how "per capita" is calculated. Is it divided by population size of the citizen or population size of the residence staying her for a certain length of time or population size of the workforce? If it is the latter 2, how do they know the size with all the illegal ah neh and ah tiong workers, coming in as tourists.

GDP refers to the Product in the country, whether contributed by locals or foreigners. Per capita normally refers to the total population at a given time. For the year, the average population of the year is taken. I believe tourists of a few days are not counted but foreigners on contract work are included. There is another indicator GDP per citizen but it is seldom used. There is also an indicator called GNP per capita which measures all products created locally and overseas by citizens and PRs ( I believe) divided by the total of these two numbers. Products not created by citizens and PRs are excluded.
In the case of Singapore, GDP per capita last year is US$50k (nominal) and US$62k (PPP).
 
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Crazy about sex. Give sinkee less stress then naturally more time to make babies. Work 12 hours a day where got time to make babies?
 

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you may solve one problem by importing immigrants. but you surely create many new ones
 

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Import real talents. Not those"talents"
 

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Too obedient in the past.

Those from the TWO IS ENOUGH generations are now the people who are doing family planning.

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Import real talents. Not those"talents"

We are stupid to listen to them especially the 60%, we should protect the people's interest first, then make up for the shortfall by selecting people that contribute to the country; not any people out there on Planet Earth.

How many babies were killed during the stop at 2 period?, these could have at least firm up the population at the moment; we killed the future by own actions at that moment in time. Are we going to repeat this again in another form killing our children future at the present time. We have to seriously think this out.:mad:
 

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They do as they please talk so much for what?
 

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Tatic 101, push the blame back to the people, make them feel guilty, that they are the cause of it all, so that there will be less resistance to these policies, and they will swallow them with silent guilt........how convienent.:biggrin:

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Even if the locals experience a sudden baby boom, I doubt that the PAP will reduce the number of foreigners entering the country. They want those foreigners. Blaming sub-par fertility rates is a very convenient excuse for unpopular immigration policies.
 
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