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snowbird

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If that's the case then the ringgit only had one way to go

Unless oil prices goes back to US$150 soon and the real culprits causing the 1MDB scandal prosecuted.
Look at MY's external debt which is growing every year to now RM865 billions, just servicing the debts is already into billions every year!
And worse, under the current Finance Minister, the Budget don't take this into consideration and instead of having a balanced Budget, they worked on a deficit Budget year after year.
How can the RM not remain weak??
For those uninformed, SG's external debt is S$0.

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MALAYSIA'S TOTAL GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT
 

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"External (foreign) debt is money owed to foreigners, by entities within Singapore. This doesn't just mean the G – it also includes banks, financial institutions, and companies. The $1.76 trillion debt is the accumulated, total debt owed to foreigners by various entities across Singapore.Sep 19, 2016"
 

snowbird

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"External (foreign) debt is money owed to foreigners, by entities within Singapore. This doesn't just mean the G – it also includes banks, financial institutions, and companies. The $1.76 trillion debt is the accumulated, total debt owed to foreigners by various entities across Singapore.Sep 19, 2016"

Hello, don't be too quick, I'm are talking about the State's foreign debts.
Banks, MNCs and any company that borrow from within or outside the country is their own debts in which the State has no responsibility.
For the same reasoning, the same companies' wealth or assets belongs to that company and has nothing to do with the State.
Do you know that while the US is cash strapped, Apple has more than US$170 billion in cash all over the world.
So, is your parent's / spouse's / sibling's debts is also directly your debts just because of the close relationship?
 

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Hello, don't be too quick, I'm are talking about the State's foreign debts.
Banks, MNCs and any company that borrow from within or outside the country is their own debts in which the State has no responsibility.
For the same reasoning, the same companies' wealth or assets belongs to that company and has nothing to do with the State.
Do you know that while the US is cash strapped, Apple has more than US$170 billion in cash all over the world.
So, is your parent's / spouse's / sibling's debts is also directly your debts just because of the close relationship?

My earlier post is to indicate Singapore's external debt and not a reply to your post on Singapore govt external debt being zero. Please do not imagine.
 
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rotikok

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Unless oil prices goes back to US$150 soon and the real culprits causing the 1MDB scandal prosecuted.
Look at MY's external debt which is growing every year to now RM865 billions, just servicing the debts is already into billions every year!
And worse, under the current Finance Minister, the Budget don't take this into consideration and instead of having a balanced Budget, they worked on a deficit Budget year after year.
How can the RM not remain weak??
For those uninformed, SG's external debt is S$0.

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MALAYSIA'S TOTAL GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT

So what is malaysia gov external debt?
 

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Malaysia's ringgit may keep tumbling amid the market's Trump tantrum

Leslie Shaffer
CNBC
Monday, Nov 21, 2016

A closer look at the plunge in Malaysian ringgit. Malaysia's currency has been among the hardest hit in the market's "Trump tantrum" after the surprise US election outcome, and the ringgit's pain likely won't end soon, analysts said.

Emerging market assets have tumbled in general in the wake of president-elect Donald Trump's upset win as the US dollar surged and US Treasury yields jumped.

That hurts emerging-market companies' ability to service US dollar-denominated debt and spurred outflows from the segment on the prospect of higher, less-risky returns on Treasuries.

Additionally, markets have been pricing in Trump's aggressive rhetoric on curtailing global trade with the US, which was likely to disproportionately hurt trade-dependent emerging economies.

But Malaysia's currency has been especially hard hit, with the US dollar climbing as much as 5.8 per cent against the ringgit so far in November.

On Monday, the US dollar was fetching as much as 4.4300 ringgit, the highest in more than a year and flirting with levels last seen during the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997.

That's spurred the central bank to intervene in the market to support the ringgit.

Analysts at Macquarie said that was an indicator of more pain to come.

In addition to stepping directly into the foreign-exchange market, the central bank, Bank Negara Malaysia, has also warned banks to restrict trading in offshore non-deliverable forwards (NDFs) on the currency, which have fallen further than the spot rate.

"Bank Negara Malaysia's admission on Friday that it is currently intervening in the foreign-exchange market shows that the selling pressure on emerging market foreign exchange is even worse than the price action suggests," Macquarie said in a note on Monday.

Other analysts pointed to some Malaysia-specific factors.

"The ringgit move has been rather sharp and this is partly due to the fact that it's one of the more globalised financial markets, especially the bond market," Trinh Nguyen, senior economist at asset manager Natixis, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Monday.

She noted that a high percentage of Malaysia's domestic bond market is held by foreign investors, making it "very vulnerable" to an external shock.

"Whenever there's an external shock unrelated to Malaysia, and some of this is related to Malaysia as well, it can move the currency massively," she said.

"This is because investors are reshuffling their portfolio and this reshuffling will continue for some time as we learn more about what the Trump policy would be like in the future."

Others have also pointed to concerns about Malaysia's bond market.

Krystal Tan, an Asia economist at Capital Economics, noted that the country needs to roll over a large stock of short-term external debt, equivalent to around 28 per cent of its gross domestic product (GDP), making the ringgit vulnerable during periods of weak risk appetite.

Tan expected the central bank would continue to intervene on the currency.

Foreign currency denominated debt was equivalent to just under 40 per cent of Malaysia's GDP, she noted.

"The further the currency falls, the more expensive this debt is to service," she said in a note dated Friday.

While the central bank has made soothing comments about that debt largely being hedged, it didn't provide details, Tan noted, adding she was sceptical of the claim.

"That they have felt the need to intervene to support the ringgit suggests they are less sanguine in private than they are in public," she said.

Indeed, analysts were pointing to the central bank's efforts to target NDF trading as spurring fears of capital controls.

When it comes to Malaysia, markets tend to be more sensitive to tea-leaf reading over capital controls because the country was the first to impose them in 1997, during the Asian Financial Crisis.

In a note Monday, DBS noted that the central bank's efforts to clamp down on NDF trading were aimed at tighter enforcement of existing regulations against offshore ringgit trading.

But it added, "it is expectation that drives the market. Fears of capital controls obviously has added more pressure on the currency."

DBS also noted that one of the reasons the ringgit has fallen so much in the Trump tantrum was simply because it was one of the better performing currencies in the first five months of the year.

Part of the ringgit's pain can be laid at the greenback's door.

The dollar index, which measures the greenback against a basket of currencies, jumped to as high as 101.48 last week, reaching the highest level in at least five years, according to Reuters data.

That's up from levels below 97 in the days leading up to Trump's win.

But Natixis' Nguyen noted that some of the ringgit's pressure was related to political developments in the country.

Protests organised by the electoral reform group Bersih drew thousands to the streets of Kuala Lumpur on Saturday to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Najib Razak over his alleged involvement in a grand corruption case related to state-backed investment fund 1 Malaysia Development Berhad, or 1MDB.

The rally drew as many as 40,000 protesters according to official estimates, but some claim the crowd was larger.

In the wake of the protest, at least 15 activists and members of the political opposition have since been arrested, including Bersih chairwoman Maria Chin Abdullah, who was taken in under a new security law meant for terrorists.

Nguyen said the political situation meant that the prime minister was more focused on damage control to help boost his re-election chances, rather than economic reforms.

That's a headwind for a country facing slow investment and credit growth, she said.

Some had extremely bearish forecasts for the ringgit.

James Chin, director of the Asia Institute at University of Tasmania, told CNBC's "Street Signs" on Monday that it wasn't out of the realm of possibility for the US dollar to rise as high as 5 ringgit.

"Everything will be dependent on the confidence in the market. Right now there is little confidence that Najib can look after the economy," Chin said, noting that the ringgit was tumbling despite the prime minister returning from a trip to China with a passel of Chinese investments

"The ringgit can go down very fast and it all depends on the herd mentality in the markets," Chin said.

If the ringgit did hit 5 to the US dollar, Chin expected that might spell the end of Najib's grip on power.

"A lot of the consumer items that you buy in Malaysia are actually imported. And for almost all the imports, the currency they use is the US dollar," he said. "So when the US dollar goes to five to one, that means almost everything in Malaysia will go up by 20 per cent."

Chin expected that would shake Najib's ability to remain in office because it would dent the finances of the wealthy along with the rest of the population.

- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/news/ma...he-markets-trump-tantrum#sthash.dt4mA65t.dpuf
 

snowbird

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So what is malaysia gov external debt?

Malaysia's total gross external debt is about RM865 billions - RM865,283,000,000
And if they were all borrowed in US$ and with the RM keep tumbling...............the problem just gets bigger and bigger by the day.
The further the RM falls, it'll be more expensive to service the debt.
But don't worry, they can still get quick cash by selling more state assets to China, something they are already doing now.
China is always happy to listen to a sales offer especially fire sales............like selling some land in Malacca for China to build a new deep sea port?
 

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JBIA may cause similar problems.

what if its cheaper to fly off from "JBIA" ? will spreans will flock to "JBIA" for departure? :smile:
if spreans do, then the jam will form on the opposite direction.. back to square 1

I am such a happy man recently. My S$200k = RM 600K conversion suddenly become RM 624,000. Extra RM 24,000 for me to top up petrol and pay RM 20/day levy. Lets hope there wont be any jams coming the Dec holidays. Last Year December I still remember the Singapore ICA totally lose the war against traffic jams. Qs start forming right up to the bridge as early as 3:50am because many many Malaysians are flying out from Changi during the holidays. Lets hope ICA learn their lesson!

Malaysia should just build a JBIA in Nusajaya. With the largest Seaport in Melaka and JBIA, Singapore can go fly kites

I better stop now in case people say I am Malaysian.





And base on some logi
 

Investor888

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I guarantee you all Sinkies will pay RM 20 just to drive to JBIA to take cheaper flights out of this place. Its always cheaper in JB for sure. And the Malaysia govt is the one laughing to the banks while Changi Airport become another 3rd rated airport ( like how Melaka grand seaport is going to eat into half of PSA trade volumes )

I wonder why all of a sudden the Islamic nation is so kawan-kawan with the Chinese while the majority-Chinese nation of SEA is being screwed badly even though it gives out citizenships like toilet paper to the PRCs.




JBIA may cause similar problems.

what if its cheaper to fly off from "JBIA" ? will spreans will flock to "JBIA" for departure? :smile:
if spreans do, then the jam will form on the opposite direction.. back to square 1
 

rotikok

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Malaysia's total gross external debt is about RM865 billions - RM865,283,000,000
And if they were all borrowed in US$ and with the RM keep tumbling...............the problem just gets bigger and bigger by the day.
The further the RM falls, it'll be more expensive to service the debt.
But don't worry, they can still get quick cash by selling more state assets to China, something they are already doing now.
China is always happy to listen to a sales offer especially fire sales............like selling some land in Malacca for China to build a new deep sea port?

Asking gov external debt coz previous post you wrote "Look at MY's external debt which is growing every year to now RM865 billions, just servicing the debts is already into billions every year! And worse, under the current Finance Minister, the Budget don't take this into consideration and instead of having a balanced Budget, they worked on a deficit Budget year after year.
How can the RM not remain weak??"

So how much out of the RM865 B, gov is responsible to pay? Seem like you dunno what the term meant and assume all the debt, gov is responsible for.

I just looked it up, http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/at-rm630b-malaysias-debt-nearly-hitting-ceiling
"The Federal Government’s latest debt amount for the year ending December 31 2015 is RM630.5 billion, or 54.5 per cent of the GDP.

Of this amount, 96.6 per cent or RM609.1 billion is domestic debt, while RM21.5 billion or 3.4 per cent is offshore debt,” the ministry said in its written reply to Parliament. "

So if ringgit keep falling, RM 21.5 B growing bigger as offshore debt mostly denominated in USD, still highly manageble right?

Government do not have to pay all 800B + foreign debt since it was borrowed by the private sector...agree?
 

rotikok

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I guarantee you all Sinkies will pay RM 20 just to drive to JBIA to take cheaper flights out of this place. Its always cheaper in JB for sure. And the Malaysia govt is the one laughing to the banks while Changi Airport become another 3rd rated airport ( like how Melaka grand seaport is going to eat into half of PSA trade volumes )

I wonder why all of a sudden the Islamic nation is so kawan-kawan with the Chinese while the majority-Chinese nation of SEA is being screwed badly even though it gives out citizenships like toilet paper to the PRCs.
Cheap is not the answer, even china gov come and put money, they can only build bigger of everything but not its content. Efficiency, ppl willingness to come etc, is hard to get it right in malaysia, unless they let rhe china chinese come and take over the operation. Maybe china chinese under travel agents control willing to come massively to JBIA, but first class? Senai even if bigger to changi, still not going to beat them. If bigger size, cheaper will be the ingredient to make a victory, then a lot of thing very easy to do liao.
 

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Asking gov external debt coz previous post you wrote "Look at MY's external debt which is growing every year to now RM865 billions, just servicing the debts is already into billions every year! And worse, under the current Finance Minister, the Budget don't take this into consideration and instead of having a balanced Budget, they worked on a deficit Budget year after year.
How can the RM not remain weak??"

So how much out of the RM865 B, gov is responsible to pay? Seem like you dunno what the term meant and assume all the debt, gov is responsible for.

I just looked it up, http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/at-rm630b-malaysias-debt-nearly-hitting-ceiling
"The Federal Government’s latest debt amount for the year ending December 31 2015 is RM630.5 billion, or 54.5 per cent of the GDP.

Of this amount, 96.6 per cent or RM609.1 billion is domestic debt, while RM21.5 billion or 3.4 per cent is offshore debt,” the ministry said in its written reply to Parliament. "

So if ringgit keep falling, RM 21.5 B growing bigger as offshore debt mostly denominated in USD, still highly manageble right?

Government do not have to pay all 800B + foreign debt since it was borrowed by the private sector...agree?

In Bank Negara website, under Gross External Debt, last updated on 25/11/2016 (today), the amount is stated as RM856,283,000,000.
Go read it.
As for reply to Parliament, the Min of Finance reported that 1MDB has a cash deposit of US$1 billion in a Singapore bank.
But later, after kena pecah lobang, say it is actually not cash but "units". And this same "units" caused 2 big auditors to get sacked for asking questions and another has to disqualify his own audited report immediately after the US DoJ saga.
So, you can only believe so much, even if they were replies to Parliament.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=statistic_nsdp&pg=statistic_nsdp_extdebt&lang=en

The definition of External Debt - Gross external debt is the country's debt that was borrowed from foreign lenders including loans by all GLCs guaranteed by the govt.
External debt has to be paid back in the currency in which it is borrowed.

The best example is 1MDB.
All its debts are fully guaranteed by the govt. and now 1MDB being an insolvent and taken over by the Ministry Of Finance, all debts became the government's debts.
The accumulated debt now is exceeding RM50 billions from initially RM42 billions due to RM's depreciation against the US$.
And worse, the borrowings were pegged to an unusually high interest rate!
So, just this 1MDB's RM50 billions alone is already more than 6% of the total debt amount!
 
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