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Leegimeremover

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Ng Eng Hen tell you u sitting on gold mine. HDB flat got good value when u retire as nest egg! Chao cheebye humkarchan! PAP can tell you after that your 2 million property worth 1 dollar tomorrow, because we going to build a road through your house. You end up pay 1 million to PAP. NTUC is a bloodsucker. Vote the PAP out. Their economic policies have been bankrupt since 1985. Now they are selling you houses brick by brick to prime pump a fake economy. Pay and pay, pui! Be thankful Singapore does not have Al Qaeda here. Or head on chopping board will be a daily affair.


>> ASIAONE / BUSINESS / NEWS / MY MONEY / STORY

Tan May Ping
Sat, Nov 22, 2008
The New Paper

Falling prices scuttle couple's reverse loan

THEY once lived in this 350-sq-m semi-detached, house along Upper Serangoon Road.

Then an outstanding home loan forced them to sell it and the elderly couple now live in a rented HDB flat.

Madam Ng, 56, recounted how they had to vacate their landed property, where they had lived for 31 years.

She now works in the sales line. She spoke on condition that we use only her surname.

She said that her husband, who is in his 70s, gets upset whenever the topic is brought up.

The financing scheme seemed like a safe bet to the couple back in 1997.

They were to receive $2,000 a month from NTUC Income under its newly-launched reverse mortgage scheme.

But things soured when the the valuation of their house dropped substantially and they were forced to sell their house in 2006 to repay the loan.

Ironic twist

What's more, the couple now have to pay Income about $630 a month over 10 years to cover the balance outstanding on the loan.

Madam Ng still has newspaper clippings of the scheme back then. It was mooted by the government to provide another option for older owners to get some income from their homes, without having to move out.

NTUC Income's website says of its reverse mortgage scheme: 'Unlock the cash value of your home. Provides regular cash for retirees.'

It offers an income stream for cash-poor but asset- rich retirees, who can use their houses as security for a loan dispensed in monthly cash payouts.

Madam Ng attended a seminar by Income in 1997 which was held in an auditorium.

The loan worked like this: Their property was valued at $2.1 million. Income could lend them up to 80 per cent of the valuation or about $1.68 million.

This 80 per cent loan amount is also known as the loan-to-value limit.


5 things about reverse mortgage

1. Introduced in 1997 by NTUC Income and targeted at private property owners aged 60 and above.

2. In 2006, Income began offering the scheme to HDB flat-owners aged between 70 and 90. That year, OCBC became the first bank to offer reverse mortgages to elderly private property owners.

3. There are 140 private home owners still on the scheme, and Income is currently accepting new applications for only HDB properties.

4. There are about 20 HDB flat-owners on the scheme.

5. Response to reverse mortgages has been cool due to the high interest rates. Rates are not fixed.

Income also settled an overdraft of $495,000 which the couple had taken from a bank, using the house as collateral.

Then taking into account Madam Ng's husband's life expectancy, the property value and the interest rate of 5.9 per cent per annum at that point, Income calculated that he would be paid $2,000 a month at that point.

Madam Ng said they signed up for the scheme a few days after attending the talk.

The letter of offer did not state the number of years they would receive the monthly payments, as this depended on many factors that could change.

Payment based on property market

The couple's understanding from the talk, and from the two officers they met when the deal was signed, was that Income would adjust the monthly payment accordingly when the property market went up or down, said Madam Ng.

They received the $2,000 monthly until 2004, when Income informed them that they were approaching the 80 per cent limit ' as their property value had dropped sharply.

Income reduced their payout to $1,750 in August that year.

'After that, the amount dropped every few months, to $1,500, then $1,250, then $1,000, until it finally hit $300,' said Madam Ng.

The reason was that the valuation of the house had dropped. This had been explained to the couple earlier.

In June 2006, Income's lawyer said in a letter that the loan amount due had 'exceeded 80 per cent of the market value'.

The payments stopped from July 2006.

Madam Ng said she was told by Income that the valuationwas about $1.1 million at that time.

Income calculated that the couple owed almost $1.05 million. This included the $495,000 which Income had paid earlier to clear their overdraft, plus the monthly payouts they had received and the compounded interest on these payouts.

As the couple did not have the means to repay the loan, they agreed to move out in August and sell the property.

Madam Ng said she had hoped the property market would pick up. But no one could tell when the market would turn around.

'We desperately tried to sell the house on our own, but the highest offer we had was $900,000. We had no choice but to move out,' she recalled.

Income eventually found a buyer who paid $1.05 million in November 2006.

Then in July last year, Income wrote to them stating that there was still a shortfall of almost $55,000.

It allowed them to pay in instalments - $250 a month for the first year and $630 thereafter for the next nine years.

Madam Ng said she deeply regretted not selling the property in 1997. But, at that time, they wanted to both keep the house and get regular cash payments.

Like others who had overextended themselves, the couple was hurt by the bursting of the property bubble.

If property values had kept rising, they could have sold the house, paid off the loan and have enough left over to buy a smaller home.

But when values dived, there was not enough to even pay off the loan.

'This was the worst financial decision we have ever made,' said Madam Ng.

Adjusting to the situation

The couple and their son, who is in his 30s, have since been moving from one place to another, either staying with close relatives or renting flats.

Madam Ng did not have to work previously, but she now works part-time trying to make ends meet.

While her husband, who had already retired when he took up the scheme, began driving a taxi at first.

He now takes on any odd jobs he can get.
 

theblackhole

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greed! more greed! they have themselves to blame. why take a reverse mortgage loan in the first place? should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded. now kena fucked and then blamed everybody.

the basic problem here is greed! the gahment can say anything: but it's your own greed that will kill you.

blame yourself - not the system!
 

sta1100

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Any bank will sell yu a nice picture only want you to sign, they have everything cover at end of the they win you lose, same as gov sure win never lose
 

fishbuff

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isnt this reverse mortgage sanctioned by tan kin liang previously? will he be held responsible for the old couple's plight?
 

R4g3

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greed! more greed! they have themselves to blame. why take a reverse mortgage loan in the first place? should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded. now kena fucked and then blamed everybody.

the basic problem here is greed! the gahment can say anything: but it's your own greed that will kill you.

blame yourself - not the system!

dont think it is greed, it is more like a con job. the risk and possible outcome were not explain i guess.
 

Leegimeremover

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greed! more greed! they have themselves to blame. why take a reverse mortgage loan in the first place? should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded. now kena fucked and then blamed everybody.

the basic problem here is greed! the gahment can say anything: but it's your own greed that will kill you.

blame yourself - not the system!

You are right blame yourself for voting PAP.
I never and will never vote the PAP.
 

numero uno

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dont think it is greed, it is more like a con job. the risk and possible outcome were not explain i guess.

typical crap talk. just like lehman bros minibonds. These old people have been around for along time, so stop behaving like some children as if they don't know that in life, business, properties, cars, etc there are ups(profits) and downs(losses). Don't cow beh cow bu now. Anything in life got risks. don't expect reverse mortgage no risk and don't cry mother /father that you don't know??? In that case, how to do business. when there is a loss must compensate and somebody must be scapegoat?? Profit then go and enjoy and splurge??? which society has such a system?? Frankly speaking they ask for it and they are now callling the newspapers to make noise as if they are innocent!!! if you read the whole report, the banks did everything including asking them to rent a room out and everything seem impossible fo r them and full of sh#t excuses. such people are like loan shark victims who borrow and then complain to police about harassment. typical born losers.
 

Einfield

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greed! more greed! they have themselves to blame. why take a reverse mortgage loan in the first place? should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded. now kena fucked and then blamed everybody.

the basic problem here is greed! the gahment can say anything: but it's your own greed that will kill you.

blame yourself - not the system!

They expect the 2.1M property to double in a few years time, wrong bet this time.
 

snrcitizen

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when there is a loss must compensate and somebody must be scapegoat?? Profit then go and enjoy and splurge??? which society has such a system??

Just an interesting info. In China, a lot of people bought property during the peak. When the prices started sliding after they moved in, they ask the developer to compensate for the paper loss and some of them succeeded.
 

borom

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greed...they have themselves to blame....should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded....greed that will kill you.....

I did not read the article in the newspaper and unless we get the full picture (from reading the letter of offer/loan documents) ,difficult to see who's right or wrong.

But there are some lessons that we all can learn here

1.Do not borrow to the maximum limit-which in this case was 80%.
Especially for asset based borrowings, where the value of the asset
fluctuate, try not to borrow more than 50%. So even if property
value drop up to 50%, you are still OK.

2.You cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time.In this case the
couple wanted to raise cash and at the same time stay in a landed
property.Like what blackhole said,should have sold the house and
downgrade.If I may add, the couple could have also bought an annuity
with the sales proceeds for around $0.3 to $0.4 million (guesstimate only
and I stand corrected) and be paid around $2,000 for life.

3.Try not to re-mortgage your only home once you have spent your whole
life paying for it.Play the market only if you have a second property-
otherwise risk being homeless in a very hard and ruthless society.

I'm suprised they were allowed to borrow up to 80%.
 

makapaaa

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greed! more greed! they have themselves to blame. why take a reverse mortgage loan in the first place? should have sold the house and settled the outstanding loan and then downgraded. now kena fucked and then blamed everybody.

the basic problem here is greed! the gahment can say anything: but it's your own greed that will kill you.

blame yourself - not the system!

Your owners lost $80B and counting. Who should Sporns blame? Themselves for being blind enuff to return them to power?
 

Kohliantye

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Rich dog barking again :p


If the sayer is staying in a flat himself I will always believe him.
The sad truth is that he and others are NOT and hence whatever they say just accept as nothing but pure RHETORIC
Only a man who is a poor peasant knows the pain that he and his family go through in their daily miserable existence.
 
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