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My brief take on the 377A Penal Code - Nicole Seah

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My brief take on the 377A Penal Code
by Nicole Seah (佘雪玲) on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 1:46am

A number of people have asked me about my stand on Penal Code 377A which criminalises homosexuality, because of the current situation with Vincent SDP.

My personal take on this is very clear. But it is not in line with many parties' stances apart from SDP, because it is a touchy topic. Singaporeans should ask themselves this - Regardless of whether you are homophobic or otherwise, do you think it is right to say that these people have committed a crime, being who they are? Do you think that we need a law to cast a darker shadow over the way they live, in ADDITION to the current stigma that is already prevalent throughout society?

Many have argued that passing such a law will dilute the nuclear family unit. As I mentioned before, reality is not as simple as rhetoric. Item A will give you Item B in a mathematics formula, but reality is such that there are so many other factors at play.

Think about it.

So what is eroding the fabric of society? Is 377A even as big a problem as it is made out to be?

Single mums not being entitled to benefits that nuclear family units have, which may partially contribute to hindering their child's upward mobility in comparison to kids who grow up with better resources. Low-income families, having to wait for 8 months before getting a rental flat in Dakota Crescent, because there is no space and flats originally set aside for low-income families are being leased out to foreigners at a $1500 profit. Exorbitant housing prices, which are deterring young couples from settling down. Bureaucratic red tape and demand outstripping supply that makes it frustrating for young couples to apply for a flat to settle down. I personally know of a couple who had to go through 7 rounds of rejection before getting a flat.

Whether you are a diehard supporter of the current Penal code, or if you buy into the argument that repealing this code will have a direct causal effect to erode the fabric of society, do take some time to think about what you have observed around you as a Singaporean over the past few years.
 

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Those gays want equal rights for fuck? There's a reason why closets were made right?

Exactly, they want rights for fuck...other men's backsides. :eek:

I have no problem with gays fucking each other's backsides. S377a arrested nobody except when there's greivance or no consent. It's a non-issue to normal members of society at large. Why it become more famously quoted then common crimes like theft and robbery nowadays? It's because there's a gay agenda and movement. How does it affect normal families? It incalculates the normalcy of gayness in your children during their formative years, promoting the probability of increasing the gaypool beyond the naturally inclined pool. That's the agenda.
 
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Those cheebye gays can suck one another's cocks for all I care. Just don't let us know about it.
 

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I don't have a problem with what gays do in private or what lifestyles they choose including whether they choose to live together as a couple or change partners frequently.

What I have a problem with is when they start fighting for their rights to do what man-woman couples do, like get married or adopt children for example.
The reason is very simple. There's a reason why men have sperm and women have ova and uterus. You can put it down to god or the creator or evolution or big bang or whatever, I don't really care. But there's a reason and please respect that reason.

Don't be a spoilt brat and expect to have everything other people have. You made your choice, so live with it.
 

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Gays should be glad they are not sent to the gallows! Still want equal rights?!Fuck them All!
 

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Exactly, they want rights for fuck...other men's backsides. :eek:

I have no problem with gays fucking each other's backsides. S377a arrested nobody except when there's greivance or no consent. It's a non-issue to normal members of society at large. Why it become more famously quoted then common crimes like theft and robbery nowadays? It's because there's a gay agenda and movement. How does it affect normal families? It incalculates the normalcy of gayness in your children during their formative years, promoting the probability of increasing the gaypool beyond the naturally inclined pool. That's the agenda.

377A is a redundant law if it is not suppose to catch them having consensual sex, and therefore it should be repealed. If it is non-consensual sex, then it is rape and the relevant law should apply. If what happen behind closed door between two consenting adults is their private business, then why make it a criminal act?
 

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I don't have a problem with what gays do in private or what lifestyles they choose including whether they choose to live together as a couple or change partners frequently.

What I have a problem with is when they start fighting for their rights to do what man-woman couples do, like get married or adopt children for example.
The reason is very simple. There's a reason why men have sperm and women have ova and uterus. You can put it down to god or the creator or evolution or big bang or whatever, I don't really care. But there's a reason and please respect that reason.

Don't be a spoilt brat and expect to have everything other people have. You made your choice, so live with it.

What harm to they do to anyone if they get married? What business is it to anyone they decide to tie the knot? However, I agree that child adoption is a no no because it will affect another person (the child).
 

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It is not redundant at all - it's a very convenient law to invoke when your opponent happens to be gay.

377A is a redundant law if it is not suppose to catch them having consensual sex, and therefore it should be repealed. If it is non-consensual sex, then it is rape and the relevant law should apply. If what happen behind closed door between two consenting adults is their private business, then why make it a criminal act?
 

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It is not redundant at all - it's a very convenient law to invoke when your opponent happens to be gay.

I said that it is redundant to the point made by Forvendet. Of course it is useful when they are keeping it for other reasons.
 

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What harm to they do to anyone if they get married? What business is it to anyone they decide to tie the knot? However, I agree that child adoption is a no no because it will affect another person (the child).

There's no harm and no business of anyone if they get married in a country which recognises gay marriages.
They can get a certificate from that country and tell everyone they are married. I have no problem with that.
But no resources for them and no resources to counteract any protests, proposed legislation, etc for them to get married in a country which presently does not recognise gay marriages.
Firstly it's a waste of resources to achieve something which is not meant to be for the reason I already stated, and secondly, being married does have some priviledges especially in a single-bias country like S'pore.
 

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Might as well pass a law to legalize fucking dogs. Looks gays should remain inside the closets. Period.
 

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Might as well pass a law to legalize fucking dogs. Looks gays should remain inside the closets. Period.

Then might as well pass a law to make extramarital affairs criminal since it is frown upon by our society.

An unjust law is still an unjust law. I will strongly disapprove of them promoting their lifestyle, and they should do their own thing privately. Yes, they may be queer and loathesome to us, but they are not criminals.
 
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I don't have a problem with what gays do in private or what lifestyles they choose ...
What I have a problem with is when they start fighting for their rights to do what man-woman couples do, like get married or adopt children for example.
They want equal right to solicit at Changi Point as those in Geylang?

Anyway what does this 24-year old girl who lives in Ivory Tower knows about gays and lesbians, homosexuals? She tries to divert the issue of her stand by talking about other things.

If she ever becomes an MP, will she allow or organise gay parties in community centres, RCs and Town Council?

Will she do the honour by patronising them - as all MPs do in their constituency? Will she allow a gay club to be formed in the community centre - to make them more inclusive?

...her answer will be "vote me in first" then say.
 
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I don't have a problem with what gays do in private or what lifestyles they choose ...
What I have a problem with is when they start fighting for their rights to do what man-woman couples do, like get married or adopt children for example.
They want equal right to solicit at Changi Point as those in Geylang?

Anyway what does this 24-year old girl who lives in Ivory Tower knows about gays and lesbians, homosexuals? She tries to divert the issue of her stand by talking about other things.

If she ever becomes an MP, will she allow or organise gay parties in community centres, RCs and Town Council?

Will she do the honour by patronising them - as all MPs do in their constituency? Will she allow a gay club to be formed in the community centre - to make them more inclusive?

...her answer will be "vote me in first" then say.

You motherfucking PAP IB cheebye mouth, she had given her take and stand. What the fuck more do you want?

You think SDP would commit political suicide by going along with this "fucking" issue?

The law to protect minors(FEMALE) is still in place with nobody broaching to repeal it. Who the fuck would want to take it on with regard to minors(MALE), Gay Or Heterosexual?

Take my cock in your mouth, you understand?:oIo:

http://www.singaporelawreview.org/2010/02/romeo-knew-juliet-was-a-minor-but…/
 

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Gays should keep quiet and not make a spectacle of themselves. They should be glad that they are not outlawed! Fight for rights to do what? Fuck one another's assholes in public? Next step will be to allow people like Papsmearer to fuck their own dogs!
 
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