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Of Sabah KK Quake, TKPS and its after shocks...

enterprise2

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Re: Will Government Declare A Period Of National Mourning And State Flag Flown Half M

Don't think so. Hotel New World, Spyros got more casualties oso no day of mourning! Only for old man!
 

Semaj2357

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would be rather difficult....you can't fly the flag at half mast when the sea games have it flying high when obtaining gold - confusing, no:confused:
 

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i was expecting a week of rest and no tv followed by a circus tour of the casket from jurong to tampines, lead by same group of ball carriers oops i mean torch carriers. and all kids from kindergarden to private skools shall be made to line up each and every street and sponsors can continue to dish out expired chicken rice all in the name of sea games 2015.
 

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10 from SG died in Mr Kinabalu – MOE under fire

Protected June 7th, 2015 | Author: Editorial


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The Malaysian authorities announced today (7 Jun) the full list of 19 people who died from the quake which hit Sabah at Mount Kinabalu area on Friday (5 Jun) [Link]. The 19 included the 2 who were found on Friday:


Singapore Group from Tanjong Katong Primary School:

Rachel Ho Yann Shilin, 12, (F)
Sonia Jhala, 12, (F)
Emilie Giovanna Ramu, 12, (F)
Ameer Ryyan bin Mohd Aded, 12, (M)
Navdeep Singh Jayral s/o Raj Kumar, 13, (M)
Karyl Mitzi Higuit Matahom, 12, (F) – (Filipino student studied at TKPS)
Wee Ying Ping Peony, 12 (F) – (Body recovered Friday)
Mohammad Ghazi b Mohamed, 35, (M) – (Teacher)
Loo Jian Liang Terrence, 29, (M) – (Teacher)
Muhammad Daanish b Amran, 22, (M) – (Guide from SG)


Malaysia:

Lim Choon Seong, 45 (M)
Muhammad Logman bin Abd Karim, 22 (M)
Mohd Khairuladzuan bin Abd, 39 (M)
Valerian Joannes - Mt Torq staff , (M)
Ricky Masarin – Mt Torq staff, (M)
Joseph Solugin –Mt guide, (M)
Robbie Sapinggi, 30 (M) – Mt trainer (body recovered on Friday)


Others:



Ozaki Masahiro, 29, (M) – Japan
Lugi, 35, (M) – China


The first bodies of mountain trainer Robbie Sapinggi and 12-year-old Singapore student Wee Ying Ping Peony were found and taken down to the base camp at Sabah Parks on Friday evening.


Among those killed were 10 Singapore students, teachers and guide from Tanjong Katong Primary School. The school, with the endorsement from MOE, has organised a “leadership trekking trip” to Mount Kinabalu during the June school holidays.

The group consisted of 29 students and 8 teachers from the school. Those who survived the mountain climbing trip have mostly returned back safely to Singapore.

Education Minister Heng Swee Keat wrote on his Facebook page yesterday (6 Jun):


“This is also a difficult time for our officers, on the frontline in KK, in TKPS and MOE HQ. Officers are giving their all and feel the pain personally. I really appreciate the officers’ dedication. I also appreciate Singaporeans standing together with us through this – your support means more to the families and our officers than you may know.”


Criticism leveled at school and authorities




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Mt Kinabalu in Sabah (4,095 m or 13,435 ft high)​





In fact, the parents of Peony Wee, one of the unfortunate students, did not want their daughter to go climb Mt Kinabalu initially, as they felt the climb was not easy. But Peony kept begging them.


The father, who has climbed the mountain before, told the media, “I know that the climb isn’t easy and I never wanted her to go. Her exams were also coming up in two months and I didn’t think she should be going overseas now.”


He later changed his mind because he had not allowed Peony to go on a school trip to Taiwan a few years back, and he didn’t want to disappoint her this time. He paid $600 for her school trip to Mt Kinabalu.


“When children get excited, they don’t pay any heed to danger. And now she is gone,” Mr Wee said sadly. He added that he regretted allowing his daughter to go to Mt Kinabalu.


Online, netizens are beginning to question the wisdom of the school and authorities for allowing primary school kids to climb Mt Kinabalu, said to be 4095m high.

P6 pupil Ronan Lim, one of the survivors, fell and sprained his ankle in the rush and a Malaysian guide carried him the rest of the way down the mountain. (ST Photo)


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P6 pupil Ronan Lim, one of the survivors, fell and sprained his ankle in the rush and a Malaysian guide carried him the rest of the way down the mountain. (ST Photo)



On MOE Facebook page:

Alice Malt: Please ban all primary schools from conducting very risky excursions such as mountain climbing. Primary school kids are not physically and mentally ready for such risky activities.
Richard Tay: Such tough and taxing trip is not meant even for lower secondary schools … Definitely not for primary schools. Nature of such trip needs lots of trainings even for higher secondary students, period.

Christine Tan: cant understand y send 12 yrs old??

Another netizen, Andrew Teo​, also posted his views on MOE Facebook page and sent a copy to TRE for fear that MOE would delete his post. He wrote (‘Why did MOE allow children to climb Mt Kinabalu?‘):

“My heart goes out to the unnamed 12-year-old girl from Tanjong Katong Primary School who died in the Sabah quake during the school’s trip there.

I am saddened and at the same time furious that the school organized such a dangerous trip and MOE is allowing this kind of expedition.

How can little children at this age be allowed to climb such a peak? Will the school management and MOE please explain? The public deserves the right to know what is going on and assurance that this sort of things will not happen again.”

Mr Teo, still feeling very angry about the whole episode, later wrote to TRE:

“I want to demand that the school Principal and anyone who coined the idea of the expedition to resign. I also think that the MOE Minister should step down. If Mr. Wong Kan Seng can step down because MSK escaped from prison and no one died, why shouldn’t we demand that Heng Swee Kiat step down?”

What do you think?


* TRE would like to send our heartfelt condolences to the family members of those who perished in the recent Sabah quake.
 

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Re: The star online: 10 students of Tanjong katong primary sch killed

Rachel Ho Yann Shilin, 12, (Female)
Sonia Jhala, 12, (F)
Emilie Giovanna Ramu, 12, (F)
Ameer Ryyan bin Mohd Aded, 12, (M)

Navdeep Singh Jayral s/o Raj Kumar, 13, (M)
Mohammad Ghazi b Mohamed, 35, (M)
Loo Jian Liang Terrence, 29, (M)
Muhammad Daanish b Amran, 22, (M)
Wee Ying Ping Peony, 12 (F) – (Body recovered Friday)

Those in red are FTrashes
 

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Also, he had not allowed Peony to go on a school trip to Taiwan a few years ago, and he did not want to disappoint her again. He paid $600 for the trip to Mount Kinabalu.

Trip to Taiwan a few years ago, when in primary 3/4? Has MOE sold their soul to those greedy tour operators?
 

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Re: 8 students & 2 teachers from Tanjong Katong Pri Sch uncontactable after Sabah qua

Knnbccb, Singaporeans are missing and some confirm dead and I don't hear no fucking concern from the PM Lee Hsien Loong are sinkie lives so worthless? He's is fixing oppositions or what?

Phua-pak jeebye PAP

No, Loong is not hiding. Lives were lost in a natural disaster, it can't be helped. We must not let these minor incidents dampen our spirits for our SEA games champions and 50 year jubilee. That is what leaders do - move on and lead us to a brighter future.
 

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Re: 8 students & 2 teachers from Tanjong Katong Pri Sch uncontactable after Sabah qua

What a stupid comment from a moderator :rolleyes:

Knnbccb, Singaporeans are missing and some confirm dead and I don't hear no fucking concern from the PM Lee Hsien Loong are sinkie lives so worthless? He's is fixing oppositions or what?

Phua-pak jeebye PAP
 

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Source: All Singapore Stuff (ASS)

LOCAL CLIMBER: MT KINABALU IS NOT A PLACE FOR CHILDREN!

Submitted by farhan on Sun, 07/06/2015 - 10:32am

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The ST said that Mount K is a relatively easy you climb .Relative to what? Everest??

I have been there in June many years ago and it is definitely not an easy climb for the common man on the street. My group and I did train once a week for 3 mths before the climb and we are relatively fit adults. Along the way we saw unfit people suffering or getting injured from bad falls and having to turn back halfway and we did not see any children at all.

Those who have been to Mount K will say the same thing that they did not see children on the Mountain.

I would not recommend the best climb to anyone below the age of 16. Would you bring your young children there?

The question is will an adult with a more developed physique, more developed mental fortitude and rich life experiences be able to handle the emergency situation better?

I am not saying the adult will not die from a earthquake but all things being equal, they have a higher chance of surviving.

Young children should do what is suitable for them.

There is an unhealthy one upsmanship going on in society.

The teachers and parents of the children will be in guilt for the rest of their life for not doing their due diligence!


FYI, there have been 6 people who died on Mount K due to falls and other incidents in the past 15 years. So don't say this is a safe mountain. Are the parents aware of this?

When the news first broke, I thought the Primary school pupils were there to just visit the park and not climb the mountain. When my friend confirmed with me the children were really there to climb the mountain, I was like 'What the f**k?" And when I found out they were doing the descent via Ferrata, I was 'What the flying f**k!"

So don't make it sound like the trip was suitable for 12 year olds.


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No we must not allow such minor incidents to mar our first successful hosting of the SEA games. We can't have that sort of thing recorded on wikipedia, no?
 

mojito

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Only 6 people died in 15 years. How was anyone to know 9 sinkies would die in a day?
 

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would be rather difficult....you can't fly the flag at half mast when the sea games have it flying high when obtaining gold - confusing, no:confused:

Half mast only if one of them is connected to the Lees
 

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What if all PRs and foreigners, even the teacher? Half mast, 3 quarters or 2 thirds?
 

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Re: Why MOE ?

Trip to Taiwan a few years ago, when in primary 3/4? Has MOE sold their soul to those greedy tour operators?

most of these service vendors survive from moe funds dispensed to schools......obs, adventure consultants staffed by ex-obs employees, tour operators, education providers for enrichment classes etc...subsidised but co-funded by students. better to utilise these funds else next year reduced....
 

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Re: The star online: 10 students of Tanjong katong primary sch killed

Rachel Ho Yann Shilin, 12, (Female)
Sonia Jhala, 12, (F)
Emilie Giovanna Ramu, 12, (F)
Ameer Ryyan bin Mohd Aded, 12, (M)
Navdeep Singh Jayral s/o Raj Kumar, 13, (M)
Mohammad Ghazi b Mohamed, 35, (M)
Loo Jian Liang Terrence, 29, (M)
Muhammad Daanish b Amran, 22, (M)
Wee Ying Ping Peony, 12 (F) – (Body recovered Friday)

All the missing persons have been accounted for, albeit there are no survivors. It is a sad incident, but no one should be blamed for the outcome of the trip. No one could have predicted the earthquake.

Although our hearts go out for the grieving families, this unfortunate incidence ought not to deter Singapore children from participating in future overseas adventure trip.
 

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Can schools just organise such trips for their 11 and 12 years old by themselves ?

Do they need approval from any authority or body ?:confused:
 
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