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Ex-HDB Chief and PAP crony say S'pore need a population of 10 million!

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WTF. This PAP lackey and former HDB CEO is following his PAP master's instructions by floating up this trial balloon. Already Chew Hock Yong, CEO of LTA support his 10 million population plan. Next you will see PAP ministers commenting, and than a committee will be struck to examine the feasibility of a 10 million strong population. And lo and behold, the committee will find 10 million people very feasible and doable. And than a white paper will be floated and approved by the PAP parliament. Wah lau, buay tahan, 5.5 million already and we are bursting at the seams. 10 million is like drowning in apunehs, ah Tiongs, burmese, etc rejects. We are really fucked. Thank u PAP.

Singapore should plan for population of 10m
Planning long term gives a better estimate of land needed: Liu Thai Ker




[SINGAPORE] The Republic should plan for a population of 10 million in the long term if it is to remain sustainable as a country, says the man known widely as the architect of modern Singapore. According to Liu Thai Ker, Singapore should not stop its population growth projection at the figure of 6.9 million listed in the 2013 White Paper on Population.

"That is an interim figure and projection and obviously Singapore is going to grow beyond that," he said yesterday at a seminar, "Building a Nation: Tomorrow, Challenges and Possibilities for a Liveable Singapore".

As architect-planner and CEO of the Housing Development Board from 1969 to 1989, Mr Liu oversaw the completion of over half a million public housing units, and as CEO and chief planner of the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) from 1989 to 1992, he spearheaded the major revision of the Singapore Concept Plan and key direction for heritage conservation.

"The question is: How long do you want Singapore to exist as a sovereign state? Certainly beyond 2030, so we should plan for the longer term and for this 10 million figure as we cannot curb population growth after 2030."

Mr Liu explained that it was necessary for Singapore to plan for the longer term than for the 17 years it had planned for in the White Paper. He suggested that even though Singapore has a lot of land to be reclaimed and there is a lot of land set aside for industrial purposes that can be converted for other use, it is still better to plan for the long term so that there is a better estimate of the amount of land that is required.

"So if we need to reclaim more land from the sea, we can plan for it and do so."

Conversely, Mr Liu argued that shorter-term population planning would result in higher density as each time the population projection is made, the government may increase land density as it does not have a longer-term view of the amount of land that may be needed and that it has available. "Overall, this results in Singapore's land density increasing."

Mr Liu told BT that the 10 million figure was projected on how much Singapore could grow long term for the next 80-150 years at a population growth rate of less than one per cent each year. He said that if the growth rate were based on the upper limit of the projection of the 2013 White Paper, at 6.9 million, then Singapore could reach a population of 10 million by 2090. If however, it is based on the lower limit of 6.5 million then we may reach 10 million by 2200.

The director of RSP Architects & Engineers since 1992 and the founding chairman of the Centre for Liveable Cities said that, over time, Singapore's growth rate could contract with education, technology and productivity gains as is the case of the Scandinavian countries, which are small like Singapore, but still managed to achieve economic growth with a population growth of less than one per cent per year.

But this will take time, he added, as Singapore was not as mature as those economies and therefore still needed immigration to grow its population.

Even though he acknowledged that Singaporeans may be uncomfortable with the thought of the country ever having a population of 10 million, Mr Liu believes that it is better for the country to anticipate this and to plan for it so that the adjustment can be smoother.

"If you look at from 1960 till now, Singapore's land density has tripled but even with that, we have built a good environment through more skills and knowledge. So if we can do it then, Singaporeans should believe that we now have the ability to solve these problems and that we will have a good environment even though population density may increase."

Chew Hock Yong, CEO of the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and a panellist at the seminar, noted that while this projection of 10 million is Mr Liu's personal view, it will guarantee a critical mass for Singapore to thrive economically and in other areas. However, he admitted that there is a consideration of the human dimension and whether Singaporeans would be able to adjust to having twice the number of people and what kind of city-state they would like to live in. The seminar was organised by The Business Times in collaboration with Singapore Institute of Building Limited. It was supported by Hitachi and co-hosted by InterContinental Singapore.
 

escher

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10m can! But we need to take Johore first!!

No need to take Johore first.

WE HANG ALL THE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS INCLUDING ALL THOSE IN THEIR FUCKING SELECT COMITTEES.


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Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.


PAP is finished.
The stinking glue and terror that hold PAP together is that old fart smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY. LKY is about to die in days or weeks.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP. Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.
None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.
They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.


WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS
WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN
WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.
AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.
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laksaboy

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That dumbfuck thinks that people can be herded up like farm animals.

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See what happens when you are ruled by corporate fascists?

You are treated as nothing more than a human resource to grow the economy: less human, more resource.
 

Papsmearer

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That dumbfuck thinks that people can be herded up like farm animals.

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See what happens when you are ruled by corporate fascists?

You are treated as nothing more than a human resource to grow the economy: less human, more resource.

The future HDBs for sinkies will look that this chicken coop. FTs get actual flats. That's what 10 million will do to you.
 

makapaaa

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10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

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August 3rd, 2014 |
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Author: Editorial

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Star Trek warp

Liu Thai Ker’s prognosis on the manpower needs of Singapore for the future ["Liu Thai Ker: SG should plan for 10 million population"] has raised not just eyebrows for our readers.
Many TRE readers have expressed their disbelief in hearing what Liu Thai Ker has proposed.

Most of them reflected their utter disbelief that this tiny island of ours would be capable of accommodating such a figure without breaking apart, even with land reclamation as one of PAP’s warped ideas.
Unbelievable indeed, as many TRE readers remarked:
OrdinaryMan:
They failed to see that their vision of 10mil population is not aligned with the majority of ordinary people. Why can’t they reinvent our country and the grow model with the resources we already have?

PS:
Don’t get ahead of yourself, current issues of inadequate transport facilities and medical facilities, overpriced housing and lack of quality work for the population have not been resolve

No Water , Drink Urine ??:
…with these warp-minded bureaucrats in office, Singapore is certainly going downhill…

my $8 heart bypass:
This present bunch of PAPIGS can’t even plan for the present population explosion, and you are talking about having 10 million here ???

Be Cause:
He says Singapore’s economy not as mature as Scandinavian countries but provides no data or reference. But Singapore has higher GDP/capita, more annual budget surplus than those countries, etc, etc. I don’t know what is his reference but for someone like him to just make a sweeping comment to dismiss Singapore’s economy as not mature is simply not sufficient to then justify that Singapore needs more immigration

5starmoon:
Liu Thai Ker 10 million population plan is simply incendiary! Another classic example of how disconnected PAP ministers, PAP supporters and senior civil servants are from the masses.

We only live once, do it right:
This will be the classic case of the selling out of a nation never before found in modern history. This will be the classic case of a transplant of a population, replacing the old with the new. This is due to the insatiable greed and the self-glorifying ego and arrogance of leaders devoid of consideration, feelings and humanity.

Others took Mr Liu’s suggestions with a pinch of salt, flavored with a hint of sarcasm:
Lewd thai girls:
So this is the clown responsible for the ugly cookie cutter design of HDB of the 70s 80s and urban planned Singapore until in the morning while Island jam to the CCR and in the evening jam all the way back home .

Likethatalsocan:
CAN SOMEONE REALLY TELL ME WHAT IS SINGAPORE BECOMING>??

ABOUT THIS GUY, besides talking nonsense, where are all his children residing now…?

Stop-at-two:
Was Liu a staunch supporter of Stop-At-Two??

RunSilentRunDeep:
Your children and your descendants would lead fulfilling, carefree lives in the wide expanses of Australia, Europe and North America…

LOO THAI GIRL:
Want to try your hand at the President job is it?

sovereign state???:
How can we have a sovereign state if the majority of the population are not born in this country.

What is sustainability:
If we eliminate the temptation of huge ministerial pay, all the political elites will begin to focus on building a better Singapore, not a wealthier Singapore.

Why did such a prominent city planner make this bold statement, knowing pretty well the public opposition to the Population White Paper? Was he following specific instructions from the govt? So now many believe that the cat is out of the bag:
Lewd thai girls:
Maybe he perchar lobang [leaked secret] on what the PAP is actually planning.

Rotten PAPayas:
They are now testing the waters with the 10 million figure to see the reaction from the ground.

ThisIsABigHint:
This is the biggest hint, the population will not stop at 7M but will aim at 10M instead.

IT’S NOW OR NEVER!:
They are using him as a tool to voice out. The blueprint is out for sure.

Intentional ‘perchar lobang‘ or not, many of our readers are of the opinion that this tiny island we call our home will cave under the weight of a 10-million population.
Unbelieveable:
At current population, Singaporeans already faced problems due to shortage of housing, transport issues and competition for jobs from foreign trash. Unless we want to face crowdedness everywhere, live in a concrete jungle with no natural vegetation or claim the title of the world’s most densely populated country

oxygen:
Reclaim land from the sea? Johor straits? Or Singapore’s straits? Look at how Indonesia squeezed us on sea boundary on the western and south western side – we won’t be able to reclaim anything without soon encroaching on Indonesian waters and territorial space.

…the existing roadways CANNOT be expanded to accommodate higher density traffic because of existing building structures, drainage and electrical system alongside. Everywhere we will see one word called GRIDLOCK in an economy that is trapped to STANDSTILL of slow or no activity.
Talk Cock Liu:
Right now, we are breaking at the seams, over health care facilities, housing, transportation,manpower and employment, etc., while being nowhere near the stupid target of 6.9 million yet. There is a geographical limit to land reclamation. We can go only southwards to a point when the Indonesians will call for a stop before their sea boundary. The ice caps are melting faster than estimated and ocean level will rise,and you will expect our city water frontage and Sentosa’s elite housing to be having a water table of one meter up their walls.

So who are you gonna believe? A professional architect claiming that Singapore cannot survive unless we grow our population to 10 million? Or our learned readers who are warning of a gridlocked nation crashing under the weight of overpopulation?

Perhaps our PAP govt has a secret plan to accommodate 10 million people (or 20 million, 50 million even, into the 22nd century) ?
Perhaps then all our problems will be solved and we can simply say, “Beam me up, Scotty!”

What do you think?
 

laksaboy

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

Even if Sinkieland has suddenly invented orbital platforms and space colonization, I doubt having 10 million people is a good idea.

People are humans but the pappies think people are nothing more than resources, digits, cattle.
 

eErotica69

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

10 million is possible if half of that 5 million live in Johore, Batam and Bintan and communte to Sinagapore daily.

They need to build 3rd to 10th link from JB.
 

bigboss

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

This guy is telling sinkies to prepare for living in underground dwellings where big tunnels will be dug to build houses. There will be two or more layers of liveable spaces underground consisting of upper surface and below the surface.

Did he think about earthquake and tsunami which might wipe out those sinkies living underground? Typically, you die your business. He is rich enough to live abroad. The paps always will plan for their own benefits.
 

Gostan

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

how about a dollar/ per person contributed per day into the economic money cycle from this 10mil population. MIW huat ah
 

The_Hypocrite

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

Dosent surprise me tat pap wants the 10 million as its a natural progression from 6.9 million. N of course beyond tat will b 20 million. No one expects the pap to stop at 6.9 million as tat means the economy will slow down n pap will earn less... this is all an economic digit game as Laksa has pointed out. This was allowed to happen bcos the pap was voted in. Thanks 60%.
 

dr.wailing

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

This guy is telling sinkies to prepare for living in underground dwellings where big tunnels will be dug to build houses. There will be two or more layers of liveable spaces underground consisting of upper surface and below the surface.....

Those that live underground are the Morlocks and are the rejects of Sinkie society.

The Elois are the First Familee, its cronies and porlumpars.
 

johnny333

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

Not at all surprised. The greed of the PAP is infinite & many of us expected it. I doubt Sporeans want to share space with another 5 or 6+ millions extra foreigners. Only Sporeans can put a stop to the PAP threat.
 

Papsmearer

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Re: 10 million population – Govt dabbling in science fiction? INSATIABLE GREED!

Not at all surprised. The greed of the PAP is infinite & many of us expected it. I doubt Sporeans want to share space with another 5 or 6+ millions extra foreigners. Only Sporeans can put a stop to the PAP threat.

The worse thing would be that with a population of 10 million, it will mean that native born sinkies are outnumbered about 3 to 1. And maybe 4 or 5 to 1 in certain working age segments. The implications are ominous. How do you control a crowd of people that outnumber u by so much. The police cannot control 400 rioters in Little India, if that number were to double or triple, how will they do it? Do native born sinkies have to carry guns on them at all time just incase there is an FT worker uprising somewhere over something?

Is this not the same HDB asshole that build HDB blocks where the lift does not stop at all floors, and than hit the tenants with an upgrade bill later on?
 
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