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Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee!
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Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
The issue is not the defamation. The defamation suit is a side issue and weapon to cut down dissent and any attempt to seek the truth.
Let's face it. the PM's wife got a huge chunk of CPF funds at El cheep orates to fuel Temasek. She looks good but that money came from the blood and sweat of ordinary people. And did they get a fair return? If the same amount was given to a well regarded fund management company, will CPF members get a better return. I say yes.
Don't worry about the guarantee, for a premium, the govt can provide a guarantee. After all Temasek also had its bad years. And the vast majority of fund managers do survive and provide decent returns.
The govt still has not given a good explanation with or without the defamation suit.
The issue is not the defamation. The defamation suit is a side issue and weapon to cut down dissent and any attempt to seek the truth.
Let's face it. the PM's wife got a huge chunk of CPF funds at El cheep orates to fuel Temasek. She looks good but that money came from the blood and sweat of ordinary people. And did they get a fair return? If the same amount was given to a well regarded fund management company, will CPF members get a better return. I say yes.
Don't worry about the guarantee, for a premium, the govt can provide a guarantee. After all Temasek also had its bad years. And the vast majority of fund managers do survive and provide decent returns.
The govt still has not given a good explanation with or without the defamation suit.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Goh is a jiak leow bee. Bring up to talk cock only.
Goh is a jiak leow bee. Bring up to talk cock only.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Oh he wasnt? You must be dreaming.
Goh Meng Seng is opposition?
You are an idiot.
Oh he wasnt? You must be dreaming.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
There are any ways to attack an issue but to defame others is strictly no-go. Now whatever valid points made are obfuscated by the threat of defamation suit which is unnecessary.
Just stick the the topic and PAP will be put on a defensive.
There are any ways to attack an issue but to defame others is strictly no-go. Now whatever valid points made are obfuscated by the threat of defamation suit which is unnecessary.
Just stick the the topic and PAP will be put on a defensive.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
You are too naive.
You are too naive.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
If case goes to court, Bayi will be a winner. Bet on this.
If case goes to court, Bayi will be a winner. Bet on this.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Problem is people like GMS still think defamation is the issue. Mind you, coming from a chap who has contested two elections and helped out in political parties for 15 years.
Problem is people like GMS still think defamation is the issue. Mind you, coming from a chap who has contested two elections and helped out in political parties for 15 years.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
What happen if Roy put " 故事全屬虛构,如有雷同只是巧合! 不就 bo tia zee" Just too bad.
What happen if Roy put " 故事全屬虛构,如有雷同只是巧合! 不就 bo tia zee" Just too bad.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Please quote me fully if you want to quote, don't do half bake job here. The following is what I say:
Someone asked me about whether Roy has indeed defamed the Prime Minister. Unfortunately, my answer is YES. He has indeed defamed the Prime Minister by putting up that glaring insinuation that PM Lee is just like Kong Hee in City Harvest Church case whereby implying that PM Lee has committed misappropriation of public funds.
The truth is, after I have written my article on CPF recently, someone private message me and suggested to me to use the chart (only now I know it was used by Roy) displayed on that Roy's article. I immediately reply that this chart is borderline case defamation. It means that if you just put up the chart without putting any comment on it, there is still a chance, depending on how the lawyers argue, that you will be liable for defamation law suit.
I do not think Roy has any chance of defending himself against the defamation civil lawsuit. This is pretty clear cut. However, if we read the lawyer letter carefully, Prime Minister's lawyer didn't demand a fix amount of damages from Roy but instead, asked Roy to write back to offer an amount of damage he is willing to pay to PM Lee. Well, this is interesting to me and very different from previous letter of demand sent to activists or bloggers. Well I guess, most probably Roy will just get a slap on the wrist for his mischievous article.
End of Quote.
The truth is, Roy has unwittingly opened up opportunity for PM Lee to whack him and distract people away from the REAL issue. He could have done a better job by going straight into proper issue perspective but he chose to play with FANCIFUL graphics and words which he doesn't really know what these would get him into. Just learn the lesson, apologize, pay damage and case close. Save the day for another fight.
Goh Meng Seng
Please quote me fully if you want to quote, don't do half bake job here. The following is what I say:
Someone asked me about whether Roy has indeed defamed the Prime Minister. Unfortunately, my answer is YES. He has indeed defamed the Prime Minister by putting up that glaring insinuation that PM Lee is just like Kong Hee in City Harvest Church case whereby implying that PM Lee has committed misappropriation of public funds.
The truth is, after I have written my article on CPF recently, someone private message me and suggested to me to use the chart (only now I know it was used by Roy) displayed on that Roy's article. I immediately reply that this chart is borderline case defamation. It means that if you just put up the chart without putting any comment on it, there is still a chance, depending on how the lawyers argue, that you will be liable for defamation law suit.
I do not think Roy has any chance of defending himself against the defamation civil lawsuit. This is pretty clear cut. However, if we read the lawyer letter carefully, Prime Minister's lawyer didn't demand a fix amount of damages from Roy but instead, asked Roy to write back to offer an amount of damage he is willing to pay to PM Lee. Well, this is interesting to me and very different from previous letter of demand sent to activists or bloggers. Well I guess, most probably Roy will just get a slap on the wrist for his mischievous article.
End of Quote.
The truth is, Roy has unwittingly opened up opportunity for PM Lee to whack him and distract people away from the REAL issue. He could have done a better job by going straight into proper issue perspective but he chose to play with FANCIFUL graphics and words which he doesn't really know what these would get him into. Just learn the lesson, apologize, pay damage and case close. Save the day for another fight.
Goh Meng Seng
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
I put it, Bayi win LHL lost! All members in the think tank you better work hard to score point.
QUOTE=GoldenDragon;1882843]If case goes to court, Bayi will be a winner. Bet on this.[/QUOTE]
I put it, Bayi win LHL lost! All members in the think tank you better work hard to score point.
QUOTE=GoldenDragon;1882843]If case goes to court, Bayi will be a winner. Bet on this.[/QUOTE]
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
So what if Roy wrote back suggesting an amount? PM can still say peanut, end result no different from previous letters of demand.
It is interesting to me how people here bring out your name as ex-secretary general of NSP.
So what if Roy wrote back suggesting an amount? PM can still say peanut, end result no different from previous letters of demand.
It is interesting to me how people here bring out your name as ex-secretary general of NSP.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Goh Meng Seng is a pro-PAP all the way. Who knows his exact relationship with the PAP.
Judge him by his actions than his pretend talk.
Goh Meng Seng is a pro-PAP all the way. Who knows his exact relationship with the PAP.
Judge him by his actions than his pretend talk.
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Well, it depends on Roy's lawyer negotiating skills. There are ways to negotiate it through. That happened when Vincent W negotiated from the original demand of $20K to $5K.
A wrong is a wrong and I do not think Roy should play victim after making such glaring mistake. There is absolutely no compelling reason to make such comparison when you want to talk about CPF issues. It is really a mischievous act and he thought he can get away with that. Maybe he wanted to get sued after all, else I really do not understand why he wanted to do that.
Goh Meng Seng
Well, it depends on Roy's lawyer negotiating skills. There are ways to negotiate it through. That happened when Vincent W negotiated from the original demand of $20K to $5K.
A wrong is a wrong and I do not think Roy should play victim after making such glaring mistake. There is absolutely no compelling reason to make such comparison when you want to talk about CPF issues. It is really a mischievous act and he thought he can get away with that. Maybe he wanted to get sued after all, else I really do not understand why he wanted to do that.
Goh Meng Seng
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
Goh Meng Seng contributing to the Drew and Napier lawyer then?
Goh Meng Seng contributing to the Drew and Napier lawyer then?
Re: Even Goh Meng Seng ex-Secretary General of NSP agrees Roy Ngerng deframed PM Lee
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