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Re: How can a 300 Tonne Aircraft Disappear in this Day and Age?

[h=1]The "Mystery" of the Bermuda Triangle[/h]
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The Bermuda Triangle (sometimes also referred to as the Devil's Triangle) is a stretch of the Atlantic Ocean bordered by a line from Florida to the islands of Bermuda, to Puerto Rico and then back to Florida. It is one of the biggest mysteries of our time - that perhaps isn't really a mystery.The term "Bermuda Triangle" was first used in an article written by Vincent H. Gaddis forArgosy magazine in 1964. In the article, Gaddis claimed that in this strange sea a number of ships and planes had disappeared without explanation. Gaddis wasn't the first one to come to this conclusion, either. As early as 1952, George X. Sands, in a report in Fate magazine, noted what seemed like an unusually large number of strange accidents in that region.In 1969 John Wallace Spencer wrote a book called Limbo of the Lost specifically about the Triangle and, two years later, a feature documentary on the subject, The Devil's Triangle, was released. These, along with the bestseller The Bermuda Triangle, published in 1974, permanently registered the legend of the "Hoodoo Sea" within popular culture.Why do ships and planes seem to go missing in the region? Some authors suggested it may be due to a strange magnetic anomaly that affects compass readings (in fact they claim Columbus noted this when he sailed through the area in 1492). Others theorize that methane eruptions from the ocean floor may suddenly be turning the sea into a froth that can't support a ship's weight so it sinks (though there is no evidence of this type of thing happening in the Triangle for the past 15,000 years). Several books have gone as far as conjecturing that the disappearances are due to an intelligent, technologically advanced race living in space or under the sea.​
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Kusche's TheoryIn 1975 Larry Kusche, a librarian at Arizona State University, reached a totally different conclusion. Kusche decided to investigate the claims made by these articles and books. What he found he published in his own book entitled The Bermuda Triangle Mystery-Solved. Kusche had carefully dug into records other writers had neglected. He found that many of the strange accidents were not so strange after all. Often a Triangle writer had noted a ship or plane had disappeared in "calms seas" when the record showed a raging storm had been in progress. Others said ships had "mysteriously vanished" when their remains had actually been found and the cause of their sinking explained. In one case a ship listed missing in the Triangle actually had disappeared in the Pacific Ocean some 3,000 miles away! The author had confused the name of the Pacific port the ship had left with a city of the same name on the Atlantic coast.More significantly, a check of Lloyd's of London's accident records by the editor of Fate in 1975 showed that the Trianglewas no more dangerous than any other part of the ocean. U.S. Coast Guard records confirmed this and since that time no good arguments have ever been made to refute those statistics. So many argue that the Bermuda Triangle mystery has disappeared, in the same way many of its supposed victims vanished.​
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Even though the Bermuda Triangle isn't a true mystery, this region of the sea certainly has had its share of marine tragedy. This region is one of the heaviest traveled areas of ocean in the world. Both small boats and commercial ships ply its waters along with airliners, military aircraft and private planes as they come to and from both the islands and more distant ports in Europe, South America and Africa. The weather in this region can make traveling hazardous also. The summer brings hurricanes while the warm waters of the Gulf Stream promote sudden storms. With this much activity in a relatively small region it isn't surprising that a large number of accidents occur. Some of the ones commonly connected to the Triangle story are:The USS Cyclops SinkingOne of the first stories connected to the Triangle legend and the most famous ship lost in the region was the USS Cyclops which disappeared in 1918. The 542 foot long Cyclopswas launched in 1910 and served as a collier ( a ship that carries coal) for the U.S. Navy during World War I. The vessel was on its way from Bahia, Salvador, to Baltimore, Maryland, but never arrived. After it had made an unscheduled stop at Barbados on March 3rd and 4th to take on additional supplies, it disappeared without a trace. No wreckage from the ship was ever found and no distress signal was received. The deaths of the 306 crew and passengers of the USS Cyclops remains the single largest loss of life in U.S. Naval history not directly involving combat.​
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While the sinking of the Cyclops remains a mystery, the incident could have happened anywhere between Barbados and Baltimore, not necessarily in the Bermuda Triangle. Proponents of the Bermuda Triangle theory point to the lack of a distress call as evidence of a paranormal end for the vessel, but the truth is that wireless communications in 1918 were unreliable and it would not have been unusual for a rapidly-sinking vessel to not have had a chance to send a successful distress call before going under.SS Marine Sulphur Queen VanishesThe SS Marine Sulphur Queen, a tanker ship carrying molten sulphur, disappeared off the southern coast of Florida in 1963. The crew of 39 was all lost and no wreckage from the tanker was ever found. While the disappearance of the ship is mentioned in several books about the Triangle, authors don't always include that the Coast Guard concluded that the vessel was in deplorable shape and should have never gone to sea at all. Fires erupted with regularity on the ship. Also, this class of vessel was known to have a "weak back", which means the keel would split when weakened by corrosion causing the ship to break in two. The ship's structure had been further compromised by a conversion from its original mission as an oil tanker to carrying molten sulphur. The conversion had left the vessel with an extremely high center of gravity, increasing the chance that it would capsize. The SS Marine Sulphur Queen was all-in-all a disaster waiting to happen and it seems unfair to blame its demise on the Bermuda Triangle..​
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The Disappearance of NC16002NC16002 was a DC-3 passenger plane that vanished on the night of December 28, 1948, during a flight from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to Miami, Florida. The weather was fine with high visibility and the flight was, according to the pilot, within 50 miles of Miami when it disappeared with its three crew members and twenty-nine passengers. Though no probable cause for the loss was determined by the official investigation, it is known that the plane's batteries were not fully charged on takeoff and this may have interfered with communications during the flight. A message from Miami to the plane that the direction of the wind had changed may have not been received by the pilot, causing him to fly up to fifty miles off course.The Fate of Flight 19The tale of Flight 19 started on December 5th, 1945. Five Avenger torpedo bombers lifted into the air from the Naval Air Station at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, at 2:10 in the afternoon. It was a routine practice mission and the flight was composed of all students except for the Commander, a Lt. Charles Taylor.The mission called for Taylor and his group of 13 men to fly due east 56 miles to Hens and Chicken Shoals to conduct practice bombing runs. When they had completed that objective, the flight plan called for them to fly an additional 67 miles east, and then turn north for 73 miles and finally straight back to base, a distance of 120 miles. This course would take them on a triangular path over the sea.​
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About an hour and a half after the flight had left, Lt. Robert Cox at the base picked up a radio transmission from Taylor. Taylor indicated that his compasses were not working, but he believed himself to be somewhere over the Florida Keys (the Keys are a long chain of islands south of the Florida mainland). Cox urged him to fly north toward Miami; if Taylor was sure the flight was over the Keys.Planes today have a number of ways that they can check their current position including listening to a set of GPS (Global Positioning Satellites) in orbit around the earth. It is almost impossible for a pilot to get lost if he has the right equipment and uses it properly. In 1945, though, planes flying over water had to depend on knowing their starting point, how long and fast they had flown, and in what direction. If a pilot made a mistake with any of these figures, he was lost. Over the ocean there were no landmarks to set him right.Navigational ConfusionApparently Taylor had become confused at some point in the flight. He was an experienced pilot, but hadn't spent a lot of time flying east toward the Bahamas which was where he was going on that day. For some reason Taylor apparently thought the flight had started out in the wrong direction and had headed south toward the Keys, instead of east. This thought was to color his decisions throughout the rest of the flight with deadly results.​
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The more Taylor took his flight north to try to get out of the Keys, the further out to sea the Avengers actually traveled. As time went on, snatches of transmissions were picked up on the mainland indicating the other Flight 19 pilots were trying to get Taylor to change course. "If we would just fly west," one student told another, "we would get home." He was rightBy 4:45 P.M. it was obvious to the people on the ground that Taylor was hopelessly lost. He was urged to turn control of the flight over to one of his students, but apparently he didn't. As it grew dark, communications deteriorated. From the few words that did get through it was apparent Taylor was still flying north and east, the wrong direction.At 5:50 P.M. the ComGulf Sea Frontier Evaluation Center managed get a fix on Flight 19's weakening signals. It was apparently east of New Smyrna Beach, Florida. By then communications were so poor that this information could not be passed to the lost planes.At 6:20 a Dumbo flying boat was dispatched to try and find Flight 19 and guide it back. Within the hour two more planes, Martin Mariners, joined the search. Hope was rapidly fading for Flight 19 by then. The weather was getting rough and the Avengers were very low on fuel.Two Martin Mariners were supposed to rendezvous at the search zone. The second one, designated Training 49, never showed up, joining the 5 Avengers as "missing."The last transmission from Flight 19 was heard at 7:04 P.M. Planes searched the area through the night and the next day. There was no sign of the Avengers.Nor did the authorities really expect to find much. The Avengers, crashing when their fuel was exhausted, would have been sent to the bottom in seconds by the 50 foot waves of the storm. As one of Taylor's colleagues noted, "...they didn't call those planes 'Iron Birds' for nothing. They weighed 14,000 pounds empty. So when they ditched, they went down pretty fast."​
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What happened to the missing Martin Mariner? Well, the crew of the SS Gaines Millobserved an explosion over the water shortly after the Mariner had taken off. They headed toward the site and there they saw what looked like oil and airplane debris floating on the surface. None of it was recovered because of the bad weather, but there seems little doubt this was the remains of the Mariner. The plane had a reputation as being a "flying bomb" which would burst into flame from even a single, small spark. Speculation is that one of 22 men on board, unaware that the unpressurized cabin contained gas fumes, lit a cigarette, causing the explosion.Missing Avengers become the Triangle's "Lost Squadron"So how did this tragedy turn into a Bermuda Triangle mystery? The Navy's original investigation concluded the accident had been caused by Taylor's navigational confusion. According to those that knew him he was a good pilot, but often navigated "flying by the seat of his pants" and had gotten lost in the past. Taylor's mother refused to accept that and finally got the Navy to change the report to read that the disaster was for "causes or reasons unknown." This may have spared the woman's feelings, but blurred the actual facts.The saga of Flight 19 is probably the most repeated story about the Bermuda Triangle. Vincent Gaddis put the tale into the same Argosy magazine article where he coined the term "Bermuda Triangle" in 1964 and thetwo have been connected ever since. The planes and their pilots even found their way into the science fiction film classic, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.Where is Flight 19 now? Well, in 1991 five Avengers were found in 750 feet of water off the coast of Florida by the salvage ship Deep Sea. Examination of the plane's ID numbers, however, showed that they were not from Flight 19 (as many as 139 Avengers were thought to have gone into the water off the coast of Florida during the war). It seems the final resting place of the lost squadron and their crews is still a real Bermuda Triangle mystery.​
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things like this brings people together

Everybody can put down their differences and come together for the same humanitarian cause. I am deeply touched. No more senseless squabbles. God is awesome.

India has offered help to the Malaysian government to search for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet which vanished two days ago with 239 people on board.

There are five Indian passengers on the flight, the airline says.

The Boeing 777-200ER that mysteriously vanished south of Vietnam without sending a distress call was carrying passengers of 14 nationalities.

The search for the jet by a multinational team has entered its third day.

Relatives of the missing passengers have been told by the authorities to prepare for the worst. There is still no indication of what happened to the plane.

"I have sent my condolences [to the families of the passengers] and our ambassador [in Beijing] is in touch with them. We are ready to give any help, if required, or share information if we get any," Indian Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid said on Sunday.

Family members of the five Indian passengers say they are waiting for any information about the plane.

A relative of Kranti Shirsath, one of the passengers on the flight, said she was on her way to China to meet her husband.

"She was going there on the (International) Women's Day for two months to spend the summer vacations with him. His contract... [with the company where he works] is about to expire. They wanted to settle here in India," KV Shirsath told Reuters news agency.

















Kranti Shirsath's son told The Indian Express newspaper that the family was hoping that the plane was recovered.

"We hope the plane has been hijacked, then there is [a] chance that mom will come back," Rahul Shirsath, 16, said.

Samved Kolekar, whose father, mother and brother were travelling by the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, said he was waiting with his wife in Beijing for news about the flight.

"They were coming to visit me here," Mr Kolekar told the Press Trust of India news agency.

Chandrika Sharma, who works for the Chennai-based International Collective in Support of Fish Workers, was also travelling on the flight to attend a conference in Mongolia, reports said.

"I still believe my daughter will come back," her mother Shakuntala Sharma told a news channel.

An investigation into the cause of its disappearance is focusing on two passengers who boarded the flight using stolen passports.

Malaysian military officials said on Sunday that the plane may have turned back from its scheduled route shortly before vanishing from radar screens, further deepening the mystery surrounding its fate.
 
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Re: How can a 300 Tonne Aircraft Disappear in this Day and Age?

not really if take in fuel consideration, I agree.

If it is 350 ton at ground level it is much heavier in the air, adds gravity pull. After flight less fuel and airplane lighter, but my point is landing speed is 180 knots for heavy (747) straight fly into the runway.

I flew Flight Sim X and tried anything below 160 knots for heavy it crashed.






. Any aircraft's takeoff and landing speeds depend on a few factors of which its weight is one of the main ones. An airplane mostly takes off at higher speeds than landing for the simple reason in that it is heavier during takeoff than when it lands.
 
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Re: How can a 300 Tonne Aircraft Disappear in this Day and Age?

the question is "WHERE IS IT?"
 

tanwahtiu

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Re: things like this brings people together

anything can happen.

Pilot made a good landing on the water, but unfortunately the plane sunk immediately into the water. Monsoon season and South China sea very choppy and high wave sunk the plane.

Likely the whole plane had drifted further into the deeper ocean towards near Pinoy land.
 
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Re: things like this brings people together

What a huge waste of time. Just declare the whole lot dead so that everyone involved can get on with their lives. :rolleyes:

Accidents are part and parcel of life and hundreds of thousands of people die daily as a result. Traffic accidents alone kill 1.3 million people worldwide annually. I see no reason why ONE aircraft accident is deserving of such special treatment.

The relatives should be thankful that their loved ones died quickly and painlessly. Many aren't that lucky.
 

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Evidence not evidences. The s is redundant.
 

tanwahtiu

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Re: things like this brings people together

it is about the airline industry and confidence in the industry.

Good things may come up after this incidence, no planes no FTs come in to steal Sinkies jobs.



What a huge waste of time. Just declare the whole lot dead so that everyone involved can get on with their lives. :rolleyes:

Accidents are part and parcel of life and hundreds of thousands of people die daily as a result. Traffic accidents alone kill 1.3 million people worldwide annually. I see no reason why ONE aircraft accident is deserving of such special treatment.

The relatives should be thankful that their loved ones died quickly and painlessly. Many aren't that lucky.
 

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Re: SING BOON POK KO: Missing Malaysia Airlines plane ‘crashes off Vietnam’

crash site is no brainer.. i dun suppose some fisherman can claim to seen this off peru or south bridge road.

night flights should be banned in the future.

Even ship captain sleep at night and the ship driver sleep on the job, and fisherman sleep at night so how to know it was a plane came down. For seeing a flash of bright lights is like seeing fire works and for hearing loud sound thought their ship engine exploded.
true, one can hear loud sounds and see the fireworks at south bridge rd on auspicious occasions...:wink:
 

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Re: BREAKING : MH370 Found!!!! Door Found...

Question is whether these immigration officers at the gate are equipped to detect C4....I always see them pretend to look...but not sure if they know what they are looking at in the monitor!!!!!

Sorry bro but side track a bit, what is Inf-comp status?
 

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mats kena lots of pressure by cina

China urges Malaysia to step up plane search efforts

3:30am EDT

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's Foreign Ministry on Monday urged Malaysia to step up search and investigation efforts over a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner with 239 people on board.

Ministry spokesman Qin Gang made the comments at a daily news briefing.

Questions have mounted over possible security lapses and whether a bomb or hijacking could have brought down the Beijing-bound plane, after Interpol confirmed at least two passengers used stolen passports and said it was checking whether others aboard used false identity documents.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard, Writing by Michael Martina
 

Yingge

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Re: mats kena lots of pressure by cina

KNN how many new thread you going to start regarding this MH370???:rolleyes:
 

zeddy

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Re: mats kena lots of pressure by cina

Not only the Ah Tiongs are pissed off.. The Vietcongs are pissed off too with Mat Land for their lack of info..

Seems like the Mats are keeping a lot of things to themselves and its not helping matters..
 

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Re: mats kena lots of pressure by cina

Seems like the Mats are keeping a lot of things to themselves and its not helping matters..

My hunch is there are lots of things to cover up on the part of the M'sians. No other reason why they arent forthcoming with info.
KLIA 's reputation will head south.
 

zeddy

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Re: mats kena lots of pressure by cina

My hunch is there are lots of things to cover up on the part of the M'sians. No other reason why they arent forthcoming with info.
KLIA 's reputation will head south.

Thats right.. Seems like a lot of things just don't tally..
 
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