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BHO will be in the island for the APEC summit. Will he notice or even hear about Chee & Co. protesting?
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Singapore belongs to Singaporeans not Obama.
Singaporeans should fix the PAP and not Obama.
PAP will try to suck up to Obama like hell. LKY sucks very dick in the Washington DC like a FOC prostitute. Not just FOC, he will use Singaporean tax payers funds to subsidize the Ang Moh from DC to Wall Street. Fucking shameless cheap slut CCB LKY bitch!
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Insults aside, I agree with this guy
This is a Singapore issue. Singaporeans should fix it. Losers like Chee who is unable to gain the support of the pple himself just wants to suck up to US and try to get them to do his job for him. Just goes to show how much of a loser he is. Even if the US does come in and remove the PAP, Chee is nothing more then Obama's puppet.
I think Obama probably will take notice if Dr Chee or any other Singaporean activists protest. He seems more sincere about democracy than GW Bush. I will also do my best to make sure not just Obama, but other world leaders become aware of Singapore's problems.
It is easy to talk big and say 'this is our domestic affairs', but the reality of the situation is the PAP is so entrenched and their power base so wide (they have investments, properties and contacts all over the globe) that we will need the international community to step in and say 'Enough is enough'. We are talking about a PAP which is under the leadership of a very senior politician who is also a player on the world stage. We are talking about a PAP under the leadership of a very senior politician who onced threatened to call out the army in the even of a freak election result.
I am telling you: We can't handle this alone. And we certainly can't afford to isolate ourselves to the rest of the world, especially if they wish to offer us aid.
We need water from Malaysia and we even need sand (building material) from Indonesia. We don't have enough farm land to produce enough food for a population of 4 million people. So who are you guys trying to kid when you say Singaporeans can fix their own problems?
The PAP are certainly not foolish enough to believe the lies spouted by their own Internet Brigade. Mr Lee Senior and Mr Goh Chok Tong have been traveling around the world garnering support from foreign leaders, so why not accuse them of playing the 'foreign interference' card?
Crew
It is easy to talk big and say 'this is our domestic affairs', but the reality of the situation is the PAP is so entrenched and their power base so wide (they have investments, properties and contacts all over the globe) that we will need the international community to step in and say 'Enough is enough'. We are talking about a PAP which is under the leadership of a very senior politician who is also a player on the world stage. We are talking about a PAP under the leadership of a very senior politician who onced threatened to call out the army in the even of a freak election result.
I am telling you: We can't handle this alone. And we certainly can't afford to isolate ourselves to the rest of the world, especially if they wish to offer us aid.
We need water from Malaysia and we even need sand (building material) from Indonesia. We don't have enough farm land to produce enough food for a population of 4 million people. So who are you guys trying to kid when you say Singaporeans can fix their own problems?
The PAP are certainly not foolish enough to believe the lies spouted by their own Internet Brigade. Mr Lee Senior and Mr Goh Chok Tong have been traveling around the world garnering support from foreign leaders, so why not accuse them of playing the 'foreign interference' card?
Crew
Just a question. I agree that the PAP is entrenched, but is the reason to weaken or rid the PAP is because it is entrenched?
If not, the PAP has to be very bad, then the question would be, is it very bad?
If not, the PAP has to be very bad, then the question would be, is it very bad?
I am certainly not saying that we have to get rid of the PAP just because it is entrenched. If you have been following all the anti-PAP posts here, you will find that we all agree the PAP should go for a variety of reasons, but certainly not because it happens to be entrenched.
Don't be absurd. I was just pointing out how entrenched the PAP is and how difficult it would be for us regular Singaporeans to deal with that.
I don't think I am being absurd because I feel getting rid of the PAP is secondary. When we get rid of the PAP, do we expect XXP to hold 84 seats and expect them not to behave like the PAP? What matters is having 3 to 4 parties that are equally strong.
In fact, I wouldn't mind the PAP being one of the 3 or 4 stronger parties. I also wouldn't mind the PAP being the government with the presence of 2 or 3 other parties as strong as it.
I don't think there will be any major difference whichever party comes to power and moreover, with absolute dominance.
In other words, to weaken the PAP because it is dominant but not to necessarily get rid of it.
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The reality is that the US/Singapore relationship is built on military and strategic ties amidst a sea of muslims. The Changi Naval Base is huge and common sense tells one that it is for the US forces. For years the US foreign policy accommodated regimes like Batista, Marcos and even Saddam during the Iran/Iraq conflict.
Lets not wear blinkers and pretend for a moment that Obama is going to consider Chee in any equation. Chee is intelligent enough to know that. His letter to Obama and his approach thus far is garner NGOs and civil libertarian support and to appease his ardent followers.
After the loss of Subic Bay, any President who incidently is the commander in chief must realise that as long as old man is within their camp, they do have a strategic presence. Japan is in the same dilemma as the US as it needs to protect the oil supply route and will align itself with the US.
There are more countries that are in dire straits than Singapore. One must be mad that Singapore will ever be on the its agenda for anything requiring confrontation however soft.
ps. I suppose you are not aware that there is supermarket in Sembawang that is staffed by pinoys that serve the US forces. Thats the trivia part.
I can't disagree with you too much, Scroobal, and I myself think the US democratic model suffers from several pangs of undemocracy itself.
It is hard, then, to convince myself that you need US or Obama's help to "save" Singapore, which is queued behind North Korea and Myanmar. By the time they get to Singapore, if they did do something to these countries, Obama would be out of office and there may also be a rise of new regimes that were former democracies.
Remember that there was so much pressure with the Iraq invasion alone.
It is hard, then, to convince myself that you need US or Obama's help to "save" Singapore, which is queued behind North Korea and Myanmar. By the time they get to Singapore, if they did do something to these countries, Obama would be out of office and there may also be a rise of new regimes that were former democracies.
Remember that there was so much pressure with the Iraq invasion alone.
Yes, unfortunately thats the reality. There are a bigger fish to fry.
Not unless you are really persistent enough. Otherwise, its the economic crisis..
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Crew wants Singapore to turn into another Iraq where bombs go off daily.
US Democracy promotion efforts:
South Korea 50s--supported a dictatorial regime
South Vietnam--supported a leader who killed his own citizens. No wonder they lost the war.
Iran--supported a corrupt Shah.
Africa--supported so called democratic dictators
Latin America--installed anit communist right wing dictators.
Afghanistan--Karzai, a pro-Cheney puppet
Iraq--deomcracy. Yeah right. More like death.
US Democracy promotion efforts:
South Korea 50s--supported a dictatorial regime
South Vietnam--supported a leader who killed his own citizens. No wonder they lost the war.
Iran--supported a corrupt Shah.
Africa--supported so called democratic dictators
Latin America--installed anit communist right wing dictators.
Afghanistan--Karzai, a pro-Cheney puppet
Iraq--deomcracy. Yeah right. More like death.
Agree. The trick is to aim at a minimum for 2 party politics. Without fail, both parties will modify their behaviour to accommodate their voters. Abuse, excesses due to monopoly and arrogrance will dissipate quickly as real choice appears.
Scroobal, I find it odd to see that you have received one infraction.
the infraction comes from sdppies clones. if u do not sing their tune, they will attack u. this sadly is their unique version of FREE SPEECH.
chee has never hoped for a better singapore. his intention is to bring the gov down. he doesn't care about the consequences - as along as he can exploit more anger from peasants to resent against the gov, he would have achieved his sinister motive.
many were misled by his guise of "free speech, democracy and human rights" craps. the gov is letting him continue his nonsense as it doesn't seem to be a national threat to brew national insecurity or unrest. conversely, chee's antic makes peasants realise how foolishly immatured and extreme sdp can get. when peasants are enlightened about that, they might have second opinion about the credibility of other opp parties. all these kind of misconception and prejudices, the paps gov should actually thank chee for educating the public for them.
chee is a liability to himself, his followers, his party and overall a nuisance to the politiccal scene. what he is doing is undemocratic and should be classified under subservient undesirable character.
peasants have seen it, witnessed it and now very aware of his next public nonsense.
chee has never hoped for a better singapore. his intention is to bring the gov down. he doesn't care about the consequences - as along as he can exploit more anger from peasants to resent against the gov, he would have achieved his sinister motive.
many were misled by his guise of "free speech, democracy and human rights" craps. the gov is letting him continue his nonsense as it doesn't seem to be a national threat to brew national insecurity or unrest. conversely, chee's antic makes peasants realise how foolishly immatured and extreme sdp can get. when peasants are enlightened about that, they might have second opinion about the credibility of other opp parties. all these kind of misconception and prejudices, the paps gov should actually thank chee for educating the public for them.
chee is a liability to himself, his followers, his party and overall a nuisance to the politiccal scene. what he is doing is undemocratic and should be classified under subservient undesirable character.
peasants have seen it, witnessed it and now very aware of his next public nonsense.
old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,
temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!
fucking unemployed parasite you're a liablility not only to your siblings and retired parents but also to tax payers!
you stole money from temples!
you live on handouts from siblings and retired parents!
you cheat and con '''frens'''!
you bashed your 80y.o. father to a pulp when he threw away your gay porn!
old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,
temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!
din you noe sdppies clones also planned Mas whitney hotel escape in order to tarnish the good name of your PAP prostitute masters????
LOL
Aiyah ... Obama is pro PAP lah!
Don't forget US interests in this region and our little Red Dot in a sea surrounded by countries wh are terrorists' havens is very important and strategic to the US. U think he will support that 'fool' and forsake the status quo?
Don't forget US interests in this region and our little Red Dot in a sea surrounded by countries wh are terrorists' havens is very important and strategic to the US. U think he will support that 'fool' and forsake the status quo?
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