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McDollar

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British & French already run out of resources and crying for US to do more for the wars in Libya, Italy has stop providing planes and ammo, only offering their bases to be used. Obama few weeks ago had past the ball to NATO / EU and tried to wash hands.

Losses are expensive for all these countries, US already lost F-15.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2011-04/17/c_121312945.htm

英法两国称“弹药不足” 呼吁美国再来空袭利比亚
2011年04月17日 06:39:42  来源: 人民网 【字号 大小】【收藏】【打印】【关闭】

3月22日,在利比亚班加西,当地居民查看一架坠毁的美国战机。新华社/路透
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法国空军一名地勤正在为战机紧固导弹挂架。这架战机翼下挂载了多枚先进空地导弹(AASM),准备打击利比亚地面目标。 图片:法国空军

法国空军一名地勤正在为战机紧固导弹挂架。这架战机翼下挂载了多枚先进空地导弹(AASM),准备打击利比亚地面目标。
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战地记者在利比亚反政府武装控制区见证生死
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奥巴马:利比亚局势陷入僵局 任何空袭成果均有限度

尽管北约对利比亚的空袭活动刚刚持续了不到一个月时间,但英国和法国已开始公开宣称“弹药储备不足,飞机数量不够”,并且呼吁美国赶紧重新加入空袭利比亚的行列。针对上述请求,美国一方面呼吁其他盟友“多奉献”,另一方面则准备重上战场。

与此同时,被利比亚政府军围困的该国西部城市玛斯拉特市内的反对派武装则要求北约“早日向当地派遣地面部队”,以免当地发生“人道主义灾难”。此前,利比亚东部地区的反对派不断呼吁北约“加大空袭力度”以便协助其夺回石油重镇控制权,但英国、法国和其他四个国家对此表示“力不从心”。

现在,英国和法国各向利比亚派出了20架战机开展空袭活动,比利时、挪威、丹麦和加拿大则分别派出了6架战机。这些飞机主要通过其携带的激光制导炸弹来袭击地面目标。尽管美军中类似武器库存很多,但这些炸弹却因“接口问题”无法由英法两国战机携带升空作战。

自从3月底开始,北约战机一共在利比亚上空开展了800多次飞行任务。其中,有四分之一的任务为美军承担。不过,美军飞机从事的主要是侦察、电子干扰和空中加油等工作。除了上述几个国家外,其他美国盟友虽然也派出了飞机,但拒绝执行空袭利比亚的任务。

美国希望,意大利能派出10架飞机增援英国和法国空袭利比亚。这样,美军将不必重返返回第一线作战。美国还在游说其他阿拉伯国家能采取同样的举动。种种迹象表明,美国不愿轻易返回利比亚战场,非常希望它的西方和阿拉伯世界盟友能“勇挑重担”。英法两国则盼着将美国重新拉下水。

分析人士指出,如果英法两国真的在空袭开始后不到一个月就面临“弹药和飞机数量不足”的困境,只能说明两国日常的作战准备工作严重不足,根本不能满足打一场大规模局部战争的需要。在这种情况下,欧洲发达国家引以自豪的空中力量最多“只能算是航展明星”而已。(高轶军)

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2011-04/17/c_121312995.htm

奥巴马承认利比亚局势陷入僵局
2011年04月17日 07:25:47  来源: 新京报 【字号 大小】【收藏】【打印】【关闭】

4月10日,在利比亚首都的黎波里,利比亚领导人卡扎菲会见非洲联盟(非盟)关于利比亚问题的专门委员会成员。新华社发

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战地记者在利比亚反政府武装控制区见证生死
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奥巴马:利比亚局势陷入僵局 任何空袭成果均有限度

综合新华社电 美国总统奥巴马15日承认,利比亚局势目前已陷入僵局,任何空袭行动取得的成果均有限度。

美军继续发挥辅助作用

奥巴马在接受美联社采访时说,“地面上军事行动已陷入僵局”,任何空中打击行动能够取得的成果均有限度,不管行动由美国战机还是其他国家战机执行。

奥巴马称赞北约执行利比亚军事行动非常有力,称空中打击行动仅持续三个星期,他“确实对北约目前的表现印象非常深刻”。他排除现阶段让美军转变角色的必要,称美军将继续发挥情报收集和空中加油等辅助作用。

但奥巴马声称在其他各个方面卡扎菲均遭到“挤压”,目前卡扎菲缺钱和补给,“套索变得越来越紧,他变得越来越孤立”。

北约3月31日自美国手中接掌利比亚军事行动指挥权。随着利比亚反对派武装和政府军战事处于僵持状态,利比亚反对派指责北约行动不力,而牵头执行空中打击行动的法国和英国不满盟友给予的支持太少。

近日呼吁盟国尤其是美国继续在空中打击行动中发挥更大作用,但没有得到响应。


http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2011-04/17/c_121312946.htm

盘点美军利比亚行动武器:英法嚷得凶 作战仅配角
2011年04月17日 06:51:06  来源: 广州日报 【字号 大小】【收藏】【打印】【关闭】

4月10日,在利比亚首都的黎波里,利比亚领导人卡扎菲会见非洲联盟(非盟)关于利比亚问题的专门委员会成员。新华社发

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战地记者在利比亚反政府武装控制区见证生死
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奥巴马:利比亚局势陷入僵局 任何空袭成果均有限度

最先进的战斗机,最不起眼的皮卡

深陷“僵局”的利比亚战事,凸显了两种装备的重要性:

第一是美国人的E/A-18G电子战飞机。作为“鹰派”的英法政治家屈辱地发现,离开美军E/A-18G电子战机,英法独立空袭,所冒的风险要高出数倍!

第二是出人意料的皮卡。装上机枪或者火箭炮的五花八门的皮卡,成为政府军和反对派武装双方的“最爱”。“皮卡战争”,成为利比亚地面战场的主旋律。

综合新华、网易军事报道

隐身幕后的E/A-18G:

缺了美军的电子战飞机,英法想独立空袭都困难

利比亚战事深陷“僵局”之时,北约就军事打击力度“给力”与否产生分歧。4月13日,北约外长齐聚卡塔尔首都多哈,“鹰派”代表、英法外长抨击北约行动不“给力”,未使出全力去摧毁利比亚政府军的重型武器。

英法嚷得凶,作战只是配角

但无论英法鹰派政治家们如何“热心”动武,有一件事情令他们深感“无力”在奥巴马政府无心恋战、撤出作战飞机之际,缺少美军E/A-18G电子战飞机的支持,英法独立空袭所冒的风险要高得多!特别是此时的前线也传来坏消息:卡扎菲支持者获得了大量的便携式防空导弹。

从3月19日到3月31日北约接管军事指挥权,这期间的空袭是在美军非洲司令部指挥下进行的,真正承担了主要作战任务的也是美军。但由于身陷阿富汗和伊拉克两个战场,美国无意在利比亚投入更多资源。真正“有决心”的法英两国,又对自身军事能力缺乏自信。

空袭首日,法国战机虽然一马当先,但充其量只具有象征意义。真正意义上的首波空袭发生在3月20日凌晨,美英发射了112枚战斧巡航导弹,攻击利比亚的防空设施和指挥机构。这波导弹攻击才是空袭的核心任务,目的在于摧毁利比亚的防空能力。而这次战斧绝大部分是由美军驱逐舰和核潜艇发射的。此外,美军还从本土出动了3架B-2轰炸机,使用40枚炸弹摧毁了利比亚空军的主要机场。

所以,对利比亚的首轮突击,事实上是由美军单独完成的。英军仅发射极少量的战斧和风暴阴影巡航导弹,法军更是承担相对边缘的禁飞区巡逻任务。

美军承担100%电子战任务

电子战是现代空袭作战的首要组成部分。利比亚政府拥有为数不少的地空导弹,尽管这些导弹以现在的眼光来看已非常落后,但若不进行有效的电子干扰压制,仍然可以击落深入利比亚领空的多国战机。在这次行动,其中的电子战任务100%由美军来承担。为此,美军在一开始就从阿富汗战场抽调来5架新型E/A-18G电子战飞机,承担战役电子干扰压制任务;E /A-18G拥有多个大功率干扰吊舱、可携带哈姆反辐射导弹,具有极强的软硬电子攻击能力。另外,还出动了EC-130、RC-135和EP-3E来执行对利比亚政府军的雷达、通讯系统的电子侦察、干扰和侵入任务。

而其他国家的战机只配备有自卫电子吊舱,部分F-16携带了哈姆反辐射导弹,具备自卫电子能力。可以这么说,受限于自身军备体系的不完整,法英两国若离开美军,缺乏展开一场现代化空中攻击战役的能力,或者在无电子掩护的情况出击下,将蒙受较大的战损。

美军除了承担100%的电子战任务外,还承担了超过一半的纵深打击任务。到3月底,多国部队发射的199枚战斧巡航导弹中,美军就发射了其中的192枚;多国部队发射的602枚激光制导炸弹中,美军发射了其中455枚。
 

eErotica69

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Don't be silly, Uncle Sam can continue to print more money to fund anything!!

It is like playing Monopoly or using the Chinese Bank Hell notes... just keep printing and use them!!


:mad:
 

McDollar

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Don't be silly, Uncle Sam can continue to print more money to fund anything!!

It is like playing Monopoly or using the Chinese Bank Hell notes... just keep printing and use them!!


:mad:

It don't work you know? Not only Hitler was doing so but Japanese partner of Hitler was doing these silly printing, but in the end their paper also ran out for printing money during the wars. :biggrin::biggrin: So they resorted to use Banana Leaf as paper to print their war money. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: That is why our grandma & granddad called the Japanese WW2 money Banana Paper, they are so rotten and worth totally nothing, they are thrown all over rubbish of Singapore when news of Japs surrender broke. Every one fear being caught with loads of these Banana Papers to be associated with the Japs, and get punished by returning British as traitors.
 

halsey02

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It don't work you know? Not only Hitler was doing so but Japanese partner of Hitler was doing these silly printing, but in the end their paper also ran out for printing money during the wars. :biggrin::biggrin: So they resorted to use Banana Leaf as paper to print their war money. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: That is why our grandma & granddad called the Japanese WW2 money Banana Paper, they are so rotten and worth totally nothing, they are thrown all over rubbish of Singapore when news of Japs surrender broke. Every one fear being caught with loads of these Banana Papers to be associated with the Japs, and get punished by returning British as traitors.

It was called banana notes due to the picture of a bunch of bannas on them & they were worthless when the Japs fell, you cannot exchange them fot anything...except to clean your bums after shitting.
 

eErotica69

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
It don't work you know? Not only Hitler was doing so but Japanese partner of Hitler was doing these silly printing, but in the end their paper also ran out for printing money during the wars. :biggrin::biggrin: So they resorted to use Banana Leaf as paper to print their war money. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: That is why our grandma & granddad called the Japanese WW2 money Banana Paper, they are so rotten and worth totally nothing, they are thrown all over rubbish of Singapore when news of Japs surrender broke. Every one fear being caught with loads of these Banana Papers to be associated with the Japs, and get punished by returning British as traitors.

Economics EC102 theory says it doesn't work. Theortically, more suppy of the printed currecy wil make the currency depreciate in value and becomes worthless comparing to other currencies. This was what happened to Bolivia and Zimbawe.

But in real life, for the greenback, the whole damn world is still accumulating greenback despite the fact that Obama and gang are printing money like how they print Hell Notes.

Btw, I keep zero US$ and zero US assets!!

Maybe I should get some US$ debt!


:rolleyes:
 
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Einfield

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It was called banana notes due to the picture of a bunch of bannas on them & they were worthless when the Japs fell, you cannot exchange them fot anything...except to clean your bums after shitting.

LKY left that part out in his book.
All the banana money he got for salary as a "Translator" are useless after they surrender, he must feel really lousy and vow to make Singapore pay dearly for his losses.
 
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