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Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 07:24 AM
I saw the pictures of the teen that was killed in the knife attack at Downtown East. It was stated that he was bleeding from the abdomen and the limbs. I could see the blood on his abdomen and on his arms. But what is the female attendent doing to him? She is putting on a neck brace. WTF? To me its obvious he has no neck or spinal injuries as he was sitting in the upright position when they found him, and he had been running. Is it not the policy to treat the bleeding wounds first, instead of trying to immobilise his neck? Or at least one attendent should be putting pressure on the wounds while she can put the neckbrace on if that is so important to her.I did not see even one piece of bandage on him, nor any attempt to stop the bleeding. Of course he died at Changi Hospital. He would have anyway from loss of blood and shock. I think that if the useless attendent had tried to immediately stem the bleeding, the victim might have had a chance. Is she squeamish about touching blood or what? If u get into a car accident and u get treated by this type of fucked up attendent, u sure die. US paramedics routinely save people with much worse injury. Another wonderful org. under MHA and Wong Cunt Stink (formerly).

rofthelper
01-11-2010, 07:31 AM
I saw the pictures of the teen that was killed in the knife attack at Downtown East. It was stated that he was bleeding from the abdomen and the limbs. I could see the blood on his abdomen and on his arms. But what is the female attendent doing to him? She is putting on a neck brace. WTF? To me its obvious he has no neck or spinal injuries as he was sitting in the upright position when they found him, and he had been running. Is it not the policy to treat the bleeding wounds first, instead of trying to immobilise his neck? Or at least one attendent should be putting pressure on the wounds while she can put the neckbrace on if that is so important to her........

Bro, he got 10 over stab wounds, with the fatal one at the throat, that's the fatal wound.

Loofydralb
01-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Forumers were complaining when pics of the young posing with weapons in MRT surfaced a few weeks ago.

One even predicted more severe outcomes if the poodles did not arrest them in time.

What has the poodles done since then?

vamjok
01-11-2010, 03:41 PM
from what you type i can confirm you are not trained in first aid property. what the medic did was correct, the very first thing you should take note of is neck injuries then airway, breathing, circulation. don't believe go check out what is patient assessment model before you shoot. how are you so sure there is no neck injuries in street fights? if he is down on the ground the very first thing the attacker will go for is region around his neck. you are not there to see the condition of the victim and yet here you got the guts to shoot there is no neck injuries.

AFTER ALL THESE, then you treat the rest of the bleeding wound at other area. if you don't know keep quiet, i think she did a pretty fine job just that this situation is too fuck up. i doubt you will have the nerve to think properly in that situation. i did not read the news on this, if there is a wound on the neck like what former forumer said, and from the degree of bleeding it seems to cut the main cutting the main artery. its a confirm gone case unless he is in the hospital within minutes (impossible).

SAF/SCDF medic very easy to pass at the first 2 stage. at level 3 its hell, this is real life and death situation where many people keep failing. its not that easy to climb up to be an ambulance crew leader. do you know in terms of first aid treatment a lot medical doctor might not be as fast and quick to stablise the situation as compared to a trained paramedic (except those specialised in trauma). don't believe ask a Doctor yourself.

silverfox@
01-11-2010, 03:49 PM
I saw the pictures of the teen that was killed in the knife attack at Downtown East.

See photo only can say until you are doctor. I think if see the injured victim, your shit all come out from your mouth. :mad:

vamjok
01-11-2010, 03:54 PM
See photo only can say until you are doctor. I think if see the injured victim, your shit all come out from your mouth. :mad:

kana forced to handle victim during my slave time, i was totally lost together with 2 naval divers (medic trainee) till all of us kana fuck by staff nurse think and follow instruction carefully.

nursing and medical field really deserve my respect, not fun at all dealing with life and death

Ramseth
01-11-2010, 04:05 PM
Papsmearer, I think that's unfair criticism on the ambulance officer(s) concerned. The neck is the lifeline connection. It's not only the channel of blood to brains but also the channel of breath to lungs. That's why from ancient times, people want others dead go for the jugular, cut throat, decapatilisation, whatever you call it, the aim is there.

GoldenDragon
01-11-2010, 04:28 PM
Forumers were complaining when pics of the young posing with weapons in MRT surfaced a few weeks ago.

One even predicted more severe outcomes if the poodles did not arrest them in time.

What has the poodles done since then?

Police very, very busy raiding nightclubs for Viet and PRC meimeis. No time for minor offences like possession of offensive weapons, rioting and murder.

The nightclub raids sure successful because all nightclubs have "foreigners working without a valid work permit" whereas other cases more difficult to prevent or detect. They choose the easiest targets and then kpkb they working very hard.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 05:05 PM
Bro, he got 10 over stab wounds, with the fatal one at the throat, that's the fatal wound.

U haven't answered my question of why a neck brace was put on him, if he had so many stab wounds.

silverfox@
01-11-2010, 05:17 PM
U haven't answered my question of why a neck brace was put on him, if he had so many stab wounds.

Have you ever seen an open wound before? The injured has to be stretchered out to the ambulance. With an open wound on his neck, if there is no neck brace to keep the weight of his head and jaw from moving around and making it still, the wound would be exposed further and more blood flowing out.

vamjok
01-11-2010, 05:49 PM
U haven't answered my question of why a neck brace was put on him, if he had so many stab wounds.

in first aid, those stab wound are not as important as injuries to the spinal region. you can have someone bleeding for a few minutes he would not die immediately cause of that. a spinal mistreatment you might cause his death or paralysis for the rest of his life on the spot and that how serious it is.

this is why the order of primary initial assessment is

D-spine (neck region)
A- airway
B- breathing
C- circulatoary

and the list goes on

that is what the neck support is for. if heavy objects were being thrown at the neck/head, or deformation occurred at the neck. spinal cord support is a must. this is a street fight situation, there is nothing wrong in suspecting spinal injuries around neck region. if you want to know what they know what they do roughly, they will first stablise neck with sandbag first then quickly address obvious bleeding wound. then move back to the neck. once that is done check for details wound not discovered and treat it. there is nothing wrong in using a c collar for a case like this.besides the whole scene appear bloody cause the blood is not being clean. that does not mean the wound was not being addressed.

since as previous forumer said, there is a wound to the neck. Now after addressing the wound in that region, there is nothing wrong in making use of the C collar to apply pressure to the wound in stopping or slowing the bleeding even thought its not really meant for that. this is call flexibility use of what is available to stablise the condition.

go take some basic first aid course before you shoot.

cleareyes
01-11-2010, 06:13 PM
I saw the pictures of the teen that was killed in the knife attack at Downtown East. It was stated that he was bleeding from the abdomen and the limbs. I could see the blood on his abdomen and on his arms. But what is the female attendent doing to him? She is putting on a neck brace. WTF? To me its obvious he has no neck or spinal injuries as he was sitting in the upright position when they found him, and he had been running. Is it not the policy to treat the bleeding wounds first, instead of trying to immobilise his neck? Or at least one attendent should be putting pressure on the wounds while she can put the neckbrace on if that is so important to her.I did not see even one piece of bandage on him, nor any attempt to stop the bleeding. Of course he died at Changi Hospital. He would have anyway from loss of blood and shock. I think that if the useless attendent had tried to immediately stem the bleeding, the victim might have had a chance. Is she squeamish about touching blood or what? If u get into a car accident and u get treated by this type of fucked up attendent, u sure die. US paramedics routinely save people with much worse injury. Another wonderful org. under MHA and Wong Cunt Stink (formerly).

by putting up this post, you have displayed:
- no or little knowledge of first aid training
- no idea the actual seriousness of the situation
- base your assessment on evidences that you witness on the surface and not know the depth
- totally out of your layman depth.

Anti-PAP is one thing, been shown how stupid you are by making the wrong noise is another thing.

Cranial Blowout
01-11-2010, 06:55 PM
The first port of call is to stop the bleed. Try to seal wounds using dressing, gauze or anything you have. There is no time to fart arse around and examine the patient for broken bones or spine injuries. The goal is to stabilise the patient and get him/her to hospital ASAP. I can see no dressing or treatment in the photos, only the neck brace.

I'm sure the paramedic is highly trained and did all she could.

Kid278
01-11-2010, 07:13 PM
The first port of call is to stop the bleed. Try to seal wounds using dressing, gauze or anything you have. There is no time to fart arse around and examine the patient for broken bones or spine injuries. The goal is to stabilise the patient and get him/her to hospital ASAP. I can see no dressing or treatment in the photos, only the neck brace.

I'm sure the paramedic is highly trained and did all she could.

Couldnt agree more with you on first aid but the efficiency of the paramedic is questionable as far as the photo depicts.

Cranial Blowout
01-11-2010, 07:36 PM
Couldnt agree more with you on first aid but the efficiency of the paramedic is questionable as far as the photo depicts.

I agree. Faffing around or not faffing at all - this is the question.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 07:37 PM
Forumers were complaining when pics of the young posing with weapons in MRT surfaced a few weeks ago.

One even predicted more severe outcomes if the poodles did not arrest them in time.

What has the poodles done since then?

Poodles are afraid of teens with choppers, mah. But they are not afraid of motorist speeding.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:01 PM
from what you type i can confirm you are not trained in first aid property. what the medic did was correct, the very first thing you should take note of is neck injuries then airway, breathing, circulation. don't believe go check out what is patient assessment model before you shoot. how are you so sure there is no neck injuries in street fights? if he is down on the ground the very first thing the attacker will go for is region around his neck. you are not there to see the condition of the victim and yet here you got the guts to shoot there is no neck injuries.

U are such an idiot. Do u really know anything about first aid or even the medical field? Read the news reports. Where is there a mention of neck injuries? this guy was running for at least 500m thru the mall, because that was how long the blood trail was. All the witnesses say he was bleeding profusely from stabs to the abdomen and his legs. If you had a neck/spinal injury, u can run so far? There is also no report that the opposing side stabbed him when he was on the ground. He was chased for a while, he and his friends were outnumbered, and ran away. The opposing side gave up the chase after a while. They did not surround him and continue to attack him when he was on the ground. What u are talking about "patient assessment model" is exactly that. The operative word is "assessment". If there is no apparent injury to the neck area, u have to treat the other ailments according to your assessment. If there is a wound to the neck area, its bleeding badly or what not, u treat it, but not with a neck brace. U stop the bleeding there. If you get into a car accident and u have a sucking chest wound, u want a para to spend the precious minutes to put a neck brace on you? Fine, good for you. U die, it will improve the human gene pool.

AFTER ALL THESE, then you treat the rest of the bleeding wound at other area. if you don't know keep quiet, i think she did a pretty fine job just that this situation is too fuck up. i doubt you will have the nerve to think properly in that situation. i did not read the news on this, if there is a wound on the neck like what former forumer said, and from the degree of bleeding it seems to cut the main cutting the main artery. its a confirm gone case unless he is in the hospital within minutes (impossible).

I am not the para, she is. Its perfectly understandable if I can't think properly in this scenario, she is the professional. So, don't go and put me as if I was there. U are making your post based on the fact u have not read the news report, u are indeed a clown. This teen died in hospital 5 hours later. If what u say is correct i.e. main artery cut, die in minutes, than he would have died before the paras got there or on his way to hospital. Not 5 hours later. If he did have a cut main artery in his neck, the para should be applying compression dressing on the neck wound first, stop or slow down the bleeding, or whatever she has to do. How can putting a person bleeding profusely from a cut artery in the neck, into a neck brace help him? To me, this indicates her assessment is wrong to begin with.

SAF/SCDF medic very easy to pass at the first 2 stage. at level 3 its hell, this is real life and death situation where many people keep failing. its not that easy to climb up to be an ambulance crew leader. do you know in terms of first aid treatment a lot medical doctor might not be as fast and quick to stablise the situation as compared to a trained paramedic (except those specialised in trauma). don't believe ask a Doctor yourself.

I don't really give a shit how well trained these clowns are. There are many shit doctors and nurses walking around in singapore now, they all also went thru extensive medical training too. Why are the paramedics the the exception?

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:18 PM
See photo only can say until you are doctor. I think if see the injured victim, your shit all come out from your mouth. :mad:

Never mind, next time u kenna accident and bleeding profusely, kindly ask the para to put a neck brace on you. U are such a fucking idiot, a picture tells a thousand words. If u show me your picture, I can tell u exactly what u are.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:19 PM
kana forced to handle victim during my slave time, i was totally lost together with 2 naval divers (medic trainee) till all of us kana fuck by staff nurse think and follow instruction carefully.

nursing and medical field really deserve my respect, not fun at all dealing with life and death

So, what has changed? U are still totally lost now.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:23 PM
Papsmearer, I think that's unfair criticism on the ambulance officer(s) concerned. The neck is the lifeline connection. It's not only the channel of blood to brains but also the channel of breath to lungs. That's why from ancient times, people want others dead go for the jugular, cut throat, decapatilisation, whatever you call it, the aim is there.

Ok, Ramseth, next time u have a serious injury, bleeding out, etc. Please ask the para to stop whatever he/she is doing and put a neck brace on you. Ok? I will attend your funeral.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:27 PM
Have you ever seen an open wound before? The injured has to be stretchered out to the ambulance. With an open wound on his neck, if there is no neck brace to keep the weight of his head and jaw from moving around and making it still, the wound would be exposed further and more blood flowing out.

Ah I see. So, u don't stop blood from flowing out of a neck wound thru the use of compression bandages and applied pressure to the area. U put a neck brace on first? Neck brace can stop the bleeding meh? U are such a genius. Wow, u should be running SCDF.

Papsmearer
01-11-2010, 08:30 PM
by putting up this post, you have displayed:
- no or little knowledge of first aid training
- no idea the actual seriousness of the situation
- base your assessment on evidences that you witness on the surface and not know the depth
- totally out of your layman depth.

Anti-PAP is one thing, been shown how stupid you are by making the wrong noise is another thing.

Cleareyes get some specs.

vamjok
02-11-2010, 02:31 AM
So, what has changed? U are still totally lost now.

too lazy to explain to you anymore cos i am going to say the same thing. i said again stopping the bleeding is 2nd priority with respect to neck injuries fullstop. go take basic first aid course that all i can say if you don't believe.

were you there to see the situation of the victim to judge there is no neck injuries after he has collapse? no, all the information you had is based on newspaper. streetfights and you are stupid enough to believe no injuries to the head/neck you are really a genius. neck injuries cannot run 500m in life and death situation?

i had heard of cases road traffic accident someone walk out of the car and tlak to his friend before collapsing. smart is enough don't act too smart

vamjok
02-11-2010, 02:41 AM
guess what, i realised that fellow died only 5 hrs later. it might be hard for you to comprehend but it actually shows the paramedic has done her job. confuse? i bet someone as stupid as you will be

wikiphile
02-11-2010, 03:12 AM
guess what, i realised that fellow died only 5 hrs later. it might be hard for you to comprehend but it actually shows the paramedic has done her job. confuse? i bet someone as stupid as you will be

So the victim probably died of trauma injuries and not bleeding to death. It is always up to the paramedic to determine how to treat the victim first and identify what is life threatening and what is not.

Ramseth
02-11-2010, 08:12 AM
Ok, Ramseth, next time u have a serious injury, bleeding out, etc. Please ask the para to stop whatever he/she is doing and put a neck brace on you. Ok? I will attend your funeral.

Based on just a photo, how do you know that there was no injury to the neck and bandaged, if necessary, wasn't applied first, then braced up?

Anyway, if I was in that situation, I'd just have to entrust my life to the ambulance officers. And if I made it to the hospital, I'd just have to entrust my life to the doctors and nurses. If it's my time to go, I have to go.

streetsmart73
02-11-2010, 08:21 AM
Based on just a photo, how do you know that there was no injury to the neck and bandaged, if necessary, wasn't applied first, then braced up?

Anyway, if I was in that situation, I'd just have to entrust my life to the ambulance officers. And if I made it to the hospital, I'd just have to entrust my life to the doctors and nurses. If it's my time to go, I have to go.


hi there

1. ram, bingo!
2. what a conclusion from just a shot.
3. and when was the shot taken should also be taken into consideration.
4. honest, i do come from a family of docs and nursing professionals.
5. they do work their butt out to save lives.

rainagain
26-11-2010, 07:02 AM
Papsmearer, being stupid is bad enough. Thinking u r smart (geh kiang) is even worse. Think even IMH cannot help u.
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Originally Posted by silverfox@
Have you ever seen an open wound before? The injured has to be stretchered out to the ambulance. With an open wound on his neck, if there is no neck brace to keep the weight of his head and jaw from moving around and making it still, the wound would be exposed further and more blood flowing out.

Ah I see. So, u don't stop blood from flowing out of a neck wound thru the use of compression bandages and applied pressure to the area. U put a neck brace on first? Neck brace can stop the bleeding meh? U are such a genius. Wow, u should be running SCDF.