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kodoba70
01-08-2008, 11:19 AM
Hi all

din see any thread on casino games. So tot of starting a thread on Dice or in chinese call "da xiao". Share with you some of my knowledge on how to win this game in casino if you following some betting rules that I gonna share

silverfox@
01-08-2008, 12:35 PM
Hi all

din see any thread on casino games. So tot of starting a thread on Dice or in chinese call "da xiao". Share with you some of my knowledge on how to win this game in casino if you following some betting rules that I gonna share

Tai Sai has an house edge which is not advantageous to the normal player, but every kind of game that is advantageous to the regular who plays it often. So the 10 bet 9 lose, 1 win theory, the 1 win belongs to people like your category. :p

For me I travel to casinos often, so I choose those casinos which are relatively safe enough for me to be able to take out my winnings.

jw5
02-08-2008, 04:36 AM
Tai Sai has an house edge which is not advantageous to the normal player, but every kind of game that is advantageous to the regular who plays it often. So the 10 bet 9 lose, 1 win theory, the 1 win belongs to people like your category. :p

For me I travel to casinos often, so I choose those casinos which are relatively safe enough for me to be able to take out my winnings.
Which casinos do you usually go to and what games do you play?

silverfox@
02-08-2008, 09:07 AM
Which casinos do you usually go to and what games do you play?

Tai Sei, Roulette, Pontoon, Casino Wars, 3 Picture, Blackjack, all these I don't touch.

I only touch Baccarat. Those small gambling cruise to international waters, I don't like to go, because you win a bit, you can feel some people beo-ing you. If you are like winning couple of hundred occasionally, can go lah. If you are winning couple of thousands regularly, I think better be more careful.

I have gone to Las Vegas, US states smaller casinos, aplenty, Macau, Cambodia, Malaysia. Due to proximity, I choose Malaysia genting. Every week I am there. Online casinos I don't play because it is not fair to us.

Baccarat is the only game with the best odds for us and the lowest house edge.

Going to a casino depends on how much you want to make. Some people content with $300 daily, some with $3000 daily, some with $30000 daily, so it all depends on how you play.

People do not have a good impression of gamblers. Because out of 10, 9 lose. It's true. To be able to be the one who win, its more of a mental aspect of a person rather than how skillful he is. You need to be very very disciplined in order to win. I don't normally spend more than 4 hours in a session. Mostly 2-3 hrs at most, then I go shopping, sleeping, rest, eating. Then I go back to the tables.

Have loads of rest and don't torture yourself by persisting betting on tables. If you can win, 1 -2 hours is all you need in a day. I see people betting day night, 24 hours, these are people where casinos love most.

silverfox@
02-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Maybe let me give a few cents worth on casinos.

The renos, fittings, lights sounds are all there to entice people to go in and stay. No clocks, because they want people not to notice the timing for sleeping and stay in there day and night.

I always wear my watch without fail to remind that once 2 hours up, I will get out of casino regardless of whether I am on a winning run or even on losing ground. Probably rest refresh and then an hour later go back or just go for sleep.

The jackpots, slots machines are the killers, programmed tuned to win. So these machines we can never win them. I ever seen them clearing the cash registers in machines. Got couple with few Ks, the most I saw was about 20K from 1 day takings.

Winning in a casino requires great discipline more than skills and luck. You can have skills, luck but luck don't stick with you everytime and even with skills, long run, the house edge will run you down. So one must be very discipline to stop. Start is easy, the stopping part is hardest.

Greed kills all gamblers. You don't need to be a high roller to win money from casino. One cannot be greedy and can then win long time regularly.
Use a small capital, use it to win the casino. Don't spend it. Bankroll it, compound it and slowly you can start playing part time or even full time in a casino.

Once the emotional aspect is solved, then one can slowly start learning card counting and betting systems. The most common mistakes which people make is double up, martingale or even those 1326 system or whatever. They will dry you up in long run. Even if you have capital, the table limit will prevent you from winning them. Casinos love people who play martingale, double ups, 1326. If these systems work, they would never be publicised.

behappybe
02-08-2008, 06:23 PM
Bro Silverfox, what you say is very true. Discipline is one of the most important factor in order to have a higher percentage chance of winning. But how many people able to stick to it. Gambling is like drug, very easy addicted. Had seen friends and strangers playing not stop for hours, no need to sleep also. Sometimes I also like that :o

I normally go Genting as a short holiday to recharge myself, so I take gambling as a leisure not as a income. Win of course happy, but when we gamble must be prepare to loss also. My method of control is I will only bring the amount of capital that I intend to gamble inclusive of my expenses in cash, leave all the credit cards at home. I know this method is not good but at least it limit my lossing. Will be going there this coming weekend, hope come back happy :D

jw5
03-08-2008, 05:00 AM
Silverfox,
May I ask when you usually go to Genting, since you said that you go weekly? Do you go on Friday night and return on Sunday night? How do you go there? Are you working full time from Monday to Friday?
What else do you do when you go to Genting or Macau, besides gambling?
How often do you go to Cambodia to gamble?
I find that odds in blackjack are not too bad, they are almost even. Have experimented a few times by starting off with a principle sum and telling myself that I will leave when I'm back to the principle sum. Usually start off winning, then lose it back to the principle sum after about 2 to 3 hours. The key is probably to leave while ahead.

silverfox@
03-08-2008, 05:14 AM
Silverfox,
May I ask when you usually go to Genting, since you said that you go weekly? Do you go on Friday night and return on Sunday night? How do you go there? Are you working full time from Monday to Friday?
What else do you do when you go to Genting or Macau, besides gambling?
How often do you go to Cambodia to gamble?
I find that odds in blackjack are not too bad, they are almost even. Have experimented a few times by starting off with a principle sum and telling myself that I will leave when I'm back to the principle sum. Usually start off winning, then lose it back to the principle sum after about 2 to 3 hours. The key is probably to leave while ahead.

I go on weekdays, sometimes weekends, but will be going for permanently weekdays because I have some activities to do on weekends in SG.

Friday nights are not very good because I find many coaches to Genting. By air I took before too, but the time saved is not much and very dangerous as you know also Malaysia muggers are quite rampant. Tell driver you going genting, halfway kenna robbed also high possibility. By coach is safer as there are more people, and also lower profile.

I only focus on Gambling when I go casinos. No hanky panky or engage in FLs because they are a distraction, when I come back from casinos, I can play all I want.

Cambodia was in the past, but I don't quite like the place due to long travelling hours there from Thailand and furthermore, not very safe to carry too much money. Got many eyes.

By going to a casino trip, example for a night, you have to ask yourself, how much you want to win, how much you bring, and how much is each of your bet.

If you bring $1000 and want to win $1000, then I can say its very unrealistic to do it consistently in the long run. You can win that amount if you are lucky. And you must be lucky consistently.

I can only say my winning margin is between 20% of how much I bring to casino on each night. That is to say if i want win $2000, I will bring $10K. If I want win $4000, I will bring $20K.

The greed mentality makes people think if they bring $2000-3000 per trip, they will win a couple of thousands. If that happens, casinos will close down.

I have been playing for some while already, that is why i have the capital. Initially I only started off with $1000, so you can imagine each trip I win only $200, but I never use too much of my own money to bet against casino, because that will be suicide. Now my capital comes from casinos, and I use it to win from them

silverfox@
03-08-2008, 05:17 AM
Silverfox,
May I ask when you usually go to Genting, since you said that you go weekly? Do you go on Friday night and return on Sunday night? How do you go there? Are you working full time from Monday to Friday?
What else do you do when you go to Genting or Macau, besides gambling?
How often do you go to Cambodia to gamble?
I find that odds in blackjack are not too bad, they are almost even. Have experimented a few times by starting off with a principle sum and telling myself that I will leave when I'm back to the principle sum. Usually start off winning, then lose it back to the principle sum after about 2 to 3 hours. The key is probably to leave while ahead.

I see the pontoon tables shuffling every deck. This increase the house edge and lower the player's edge, that is why I don't play and you cannot count the cards. Blackjack if they shuffle every game, how to count? Even if they have 20 decks in 1 shoe, can also count, but the problem is if they shuffle each single deck each shoe, even you can count also no use. Furthermore, blackjack rules favour dealers than us. That is why I don't touch blackjack. Also that is why I don't stay in the comfort of home and play online casinos. All these are just crap gambling to me.

jw5
04-08-2008, 06:26 AM
Silverfox
Hope you don't mind if I ask a few more questions.
How old are you and do you have a wife and children? Do you have a full time job? Mind telling us what is your approximate net worth?
You are my hero. :) hehehe Love your nick too.

xavier69
06-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Nice sharing from silverfox@. Thanks. :)

silverfox@
06-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Silverfox
Hope you don't mind if I ask a few more questions.
How old are you and do you have a wife and children? Do you have a full time job? Mind telling us what is your approximate net worth?
You are my hero. :) hehehe Love your nick too.

Sorry was away. I am in mid thirties. Wife and children nil. I don't have any full time job. My approx net worth, never really count.

I can only say that when you go casinos regularly, you get to see regular faces. Not all regulars are winning regularly. You see today they win 30K, tomorrow 50K, next week, you can see them lose 80K easily in a night. The tables, chairs, croupier salaries are all courtesy from them. You see them good, but they could have lost millions already.

What is the purpose of winning money from casinos? More money to spend? In a way it is neither wrong nor correct. Imagine today you win 1000, so you feel happy, and tomorrow you win 2000, so you spend some money on gifts, food, the next week you lose 3000. How?

I am no hero, just putting my philosophies to real life issues. People in general have no good impressions of people who gamble in casinos. Occasion playing is ok to most, just like people buying weekly 4Ds. But when high stakes involved, people generally think you are an addict.

I have no heroes in casinos. The only idol I have is the casino owner...just joking.....Coming to the part of winning money from casinos, what is the next intention? Initial playing 'career' involves losing. Let's face it, you don't lose, you don't learn, and the cost of the school fees can be enormous. But how many of you would step into a casino to observe the behaviour of gamblers? What is so good of observing these people?

You get to see the greedness of human, disgusting characteristics of mankind, these are things which one should observe and not to follow. Look at how some people win. It is not easy to spot a regular winner.

The basic character of a winner,
Calmness. (If you are calm, you basically win half the war)
Gambling Ethics
- Look at how some gamblers (proud, egoistics) showing off their ugly traits when they win a bit of money or losing their temper when they lose or pushing the blame on other gamblers, croupiers for their losing streaks.

If you can be very calm, you can be a winner in a casino. Never let frustrations get to your head. Once you scold the first vulgar language even in your heart, better get out of the casino fast because that is the 1st indicator of going to lose. The day when you can be calm at all times, one will understand how to win regularly.

Never let your emotions rule you. Never let other gamblers' emotions rule you.

There you see, I haven't got into the part on how to gamble yet. Basically there is no secret trick. Just how you calm your nerves. Easier said than done. Have time, go bookshops, grab books on philosophies and read them. I spend loads of time reading, people say read book in chinese means lose. I dare to say, Don't read, sure lose. The part on reading is to cultivate patience and calmness especially for those who don't meditate. I do meditate at times and read. At the same time gain knowledge.

In no time, you can play in casinos regularly and win regularly.

ultrasong
06-08-2008, 07:29 PM
You could only win if your luck is good at that time and you know when to stop.

silverfox@
06-08-2008, 07:34 PM
You could only win if your luck is good at that time and you know when to stop.

So when do you know luck is coming or when luck is absent? Depending on luck would be best on buying Toto.

The part on knowing when to stop is correct. But not on the luck part. Winning means lucky, Losing means unlucky? Then casinos must be very very lucky to keep winning.

Self-discipline can win, which contributes on the part of knowing when to stop:p

Haoshuang
06-08-2008, 07:43 PM
no matters what. Casino is alway the big winner:(

madmansg
06-08-2008, 08:13 PM
I always make money at casino hundered percent of the time as I sell my MLM products to the luckly winners.

Luca
06-08-2008, 08:32 PM
Casino has the odds against you. So if you manage to win after a short while due to you are lucky, then you must stop fast. If you play long period, you will lose to the probability for any games you played.

kelvin
07-08-2008, 01:43 AM
Very True !! Greed kills all gamblers.
LUCK is very subjective. You Cannot control Luck.
But, you CAN control your discipline.
I go to LW or LJ very often.
Play with discipline and strategy and a time factor (2 hours) and
your chances of winning is better.
Do NOT be greedy, set a target to win/lose and STOP within the two hours.
Every trip, I win around $200 to $500.
I am jobless, so that covers my expenses for the month.
Trust me, you CAN win if you bet with discipline and strategy.

GOOD LUCK !!!

jw5
07-08-2008, 02:36 AM
silverfox
Thanks for your comprehensive reply.
I would like to ask you another thing.
What do you think is the profile of people who go to casinos? Say at a casino in Macau or Genting at any one time, what is the % of people who are tourists, what is the % of people who are serious high stake gamblers, what is the % of people who are small time addicted gamblers, etc? And of the gamblers in the casinos, how many of them are rich and can afford to lose and how many of them are actually gambling on borrowed money?

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 04:48 AM
silverfox
Thanks for your comprehensive reply.
I would like to ask you another thing.
What do you think is the profile of people who go to casinos? Say at a casino in Macau or Genting at any one time, what is the % of people who are tourists, what is the % of people who are serious high stake gamblers, what is the % of people who are small time addicted gamblers, etc? And of the gamblers in the casinos, how many of them are rich and can afford to lose and how many of them are actually gambling on borrowed money?

High stakers normally around 1-2%. addicts aplenty. But I would say most of the addicts would end up gambling on borrowed money. If you win consistently, do you consider that an addict?

rofthelper
07-08-2008, 06:24 AM
High stakers normally around 1-2%. addicts aplenty. But I would say most of the addicts would end up gambling on borrowed money. If you win consistently, do you consider that an addict?

Bro silverfox@, you really give us a good depth on casino gambling. I really believe that oneself should stop, if he starts to get tired. The judgment will surely get affected.

breakingfree
07-08-2008, 10:00 AM
Hihi silverfox
Can i safely say that ur betting method is even bet on "following the dragon" or ping pong depends on the trend??
for me it is easy to win small amount daily but 1 loss will wipe out few days of earning. think most of the gamblers will be falling into the trap of trying to recoup losses when they ar down and i am 1 of them. So whats ur getting out strategy like?? 50% losses of ur bankroll?? i am currently on 20% of bankroll when winning and losing 60% of bankroll
for exit strat.
My frd and i hav been experimenting for the past few mths now..winning consistently should not be a problem but having few losses will wiped out big part of the past winning is unavoidable for our case.

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 10:24 AM
Hihi silverfox
Can i safely say that ur betting method is even bet on "following the dragon" or ping pong depends on the trend??
for me it is easy to win small amount daily but 1 loss will wipe out few days of earning. think most of the gamblers will be falling into the trap of trying to recoup losses when they ar down and i am 1 of them. So whats ur getting out strategy like?? 50% losses of ur bankroll?? i am currently on 20% of bankroll when winning and losing 60% of bankroll
for exit strat.
My frd and i hav been experimenting for the past few mths now..winning consistently should not be a problem but having few losses will wiped out big part of the past winning is unavoidable for our case.

How much is your bankroll and how much do you expect to win each time?

If you are stopping when you win 20% of your bankroll, it doesn't make any sense to stop till you are 60%. You should have stop when you lose 20%.

How do you determine when is the "dragon" coming or when "ping pong" comes? All this are just crap. Casinos do not give out free paper, free pencil for you to write and past results if it can help patrons. All these are their aid to help them earn more money from patrons.

Like you said most of gamblers want recoup losses when losing, but the minority who don't chase losses will win eventually. Casinos are opened 24 hours a day, why are people so kan chiong to try and recoup losses?


I will not give you a fish, but will teach you how to fish.

When you play baccarat, what is the advantage for casinos? Banker bets or Player bets? Tie bets or Player Pair, Banker Pair?

Banker 1-1 5% comm
Player 1-1 No comm
Tie 1-8
Player Pair 1-11
Banker Pair 1-11

Simple logic tells us that the higher the payout, the lower the winning rate. So I don't understand why people bet on Tie, Player Pair, Banker pair. Once in a while you win, but long time, die...

Why does casinos take 5% comm on Banker bets? Or in mini-baccarat, B6 pays out 50%?

This one you go think ok.

However good a system, if the person who is playing is not disciplined enough, also useless.

breakingfree
07-08-2008, 11:46 AM
hihi silverfox
What u said i totally understand. As statistically banker hav better odds. for those interested to noe more, this is a very educating website http://wizardofodds.com/baccarat. It even hav a 1000shoes database of 6deck/8 deck random generated results for those system freaks.
But for me, i only played for like 1-2.5hrs per day. It is too short a time for the statistic to work its magic, although the banker only hold a small house edge. Cos i read from somewhere that outcome from short time betting is totally irelevent to the statistics cos the data needs a large amount of results to generate the banker house edge.

The reason i propose 60% losing exit strat to my frd and myself is that i find in normal betting condition, we bound to encounter mini down period/fluctuation. by having 60% losing exit strat, we still can overcome the mini down period easily and win,although my ideal exit strat is suppose to be losing 33%. Currently i bring 3k bankroll, 500winning limit and 100 per unit bet.
My frd and i used some stupid system we invented ourselves but so far ok although in our heart we noe all system are bullshit but it helps to calm our mind and bet confidently.

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 12:31 PM
The reason i propose 60% losing exit strat to my frd and myself is that i find in normal betting condition, we bound to encounter mini down period/fluctuation. by having 60% losing exit strat, we still can overcome the mini down period easily and win,although my ideal exit strat is suppose to be losing 33%. Currently i bring 3k bankroll, 500winning limit and 100 per unit bet.
My frd and i used some stupid system we invented ourselves but so far ok although in our heart we noe all system are bullshit but it helps to calm our mind and bet confidently.

Your bankroll is too little, if you are betting $100 per unit bet. You should be betting $50 per unit or lesser. If you know you are bound to encounter mini down period, having a bigger bankroll will calm your nerves.

You may ask yourself, but hey, I am not using all these bankroll up if I am going to lose only a certain percentage. It is not wrong to think this way. However, if you bring $3000 and let's say you stop at 20% loss, Once lose $600 you have to stop. If you bring $10000, and you stop at 20% loss, I can lose till $2000 before I stop.

Many people are worst off when they bring $3000 to casino. They think can win $2000 or at least double. I think they are crazy. If I bring $3000, I only expect to win 20%. So your target of winning $500 is achievable and not difficult

My target per trip is to win $8K each night. So you can imagine how much bankroll I bring each. People may think I am mad. But bankroll is like my bullets. If i go to war with so little bullets, I am always scared to fire and always want to keep. If i have a lot of bullets, I have nothing to be afraid of. Just fire to heart content. Psychologically, with a big bankroll, you win. Rather than scared of going ahead.

If you lose 20%, time to take a break. After that, adjust your bet amount with the bankroll of 80%. You may think I am bullshitting and some people have their own style of playing and winning.

But always remember the casino is opened 24 hours a day, no need to be afraid of them closing down. Don't panic and because of time issues, just want to win as much as possible in that short period of time.

No system is stupid till the system is to buy a bet with a big payout.

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 12:37 PM
50% of losers lose money under impulsive behaviour.
30% of losers lose money when they double up.
10% of losers lose money because every bet any bet they also bet.
10% of losers lose money due to luck.

So out of 100%, 90% can be avoided, only the last 10% is due to luck factor. Let's say you have no luck, by simply avoiding the characteristics of the 90%, why can't you have a 10% losing chance and have a 90% chance of not losing?

Just observe how people bet, and you will understand this philosophy. Never lose your temper when losing. Never get too excited when winning. Because the intensity will be too much to handle, indulging people to make wrong choices. If can keep calm, I can eliminate the top 90%.

To train to be calm, exercise, learn yoga, read. Who says casino gambling is just so easy to bet and take money? :p

breakingfree
07-08-2008, 02:17 PM
Hihi silverfox
imho if ur are using even bet, u can lower ur bankroll abit, but i do understand the importance of Psychological factor of having a big bankroll. It helps greatly in calming our mind. Those who think that gambling is an easy way of getting fast $$ will be very wrong. I donno abt others but it is a very stressful "job" especially i need to do it everyday.
Actually i dont count the amount i should win but by the amount of hand i need to achieve my target. So bascially i need to win 4 to 5 hands(net) to achieve my target not counting the commission blah blah. If i lower my unit per bet to 50$, i either need to increase my amount of winning hand or lower my target. But i dont hav the time to play multi hands cos i bet selectively and under time constraint.

Dont u think it is very troublesome to travel so far to genting bringing load of $$?? I am now a regular in leisure world. Imho LW is much safer than genting. Dont hav much chance of a robbery unless he is a pirate. It is norm for people to notice high rollers or people with high bankroll. In LW, some of the regular high rollers are aunties, going there everyday. We basically noe who is who and some become gambling buddies cos we met each other almost everyday. 1 more better deal is that baccarat table in LW hav insurance bet. make it more safer for u if u feel not confident on ur bet.

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 05:48 PM
Hihi silverfox
imho if ur are using even bet, u can lower ur bankroll abit, but i do understand the importance of Psychological factor of having a big bankroll. It helps greatly in calming our mind. Those who think that gambling is an easy way of getting fast $$ will be very wrong. I donno abt others but it is a very stressful "job" especially i need to do it everyday.
Every kind of job is stressful even business. That is why I don't play everyday. At most 4 nights a week and I let my mind rest.
When my bankroll is big and my bets are small, I just whack and whack. Nothing to pull me back on deciding which to bet on.



Actually i dont count the amount i should win but by the amount of hand i need to achieve my target. So bascially i need to win 4 to 5 hands(net) to achieve my target not counting the commission blah blah. If i lower my unit per bet to 50$, i either need to increase my amount of winning hand or lower my target. But i dont hav the time to play multi hands cos i bet selectively and under time constraint.
You do not need to count amount. Maybe let me share with you initially when I started to play semi-pro, I started off with very small bets. The so-called table minimum. Win about 8-10 hands 1 night.
If bet let's say $25, 10 hands is about $250
If bet let's say $1000, 10 hands is about $10,000
Your basic strategy is just to consistently hit 5 hands every night.
If you are talking about playing everyday, basically I don't quite get the meaning of time constraint. Even if you win 1 hand a day, 30 days get you 30 hands. Imagine 1 hand $1000?

On normal days I can win 8-15 hands in a day
On a very lucky day, I can win 20+ hands. Record is 30+ hands.
On an unlucky day, I win about 2-4 hands.

Initially when I play, I make it a point to win even if only 2 hands and 1 bet is $50. Even the money is not enough for hotel etc. But it goes to show that if i can hit 2 hands daily without fail, i can increase my bet one day and $2000 a day is more than enough. Winning breeds confidence. Maintaining not to lose even by 1 hand at the end of the day is my main purpose.

That is why the problem happens when the amount won with the standard number of hands, a lot of people get impatient. I am not saying you are impatient. I seen people getting impatient in casinos, saying 'stay so many hours, only win $100, not even enough for food, transport, hotel, so they start betting big. This is the big taboo. And casinos prey on people like these. Win fast, lose lagi fast. I don't start betting big on the 1st day. I started with $1000 capital to play play. There is no need to use your capital to fight the casino. I just love using their money to win their money. The whole theory is like this. Honestly, winning money is secondary. It's the feeling of beating the casino when the whole world rides on the theory of 10 gamble 9 lose. The winning of money part is just the icing on the cake.

If you say you bet selectively, I roughly catch how you play. You can make money, but like I said, you need more bankroll if you bet $100. Because when you start losing 20%, you lose confidence.



Dont u think it is very troublesome to travel so far to genting bringing load of $$?? I am now a regular in leisure world. Imho LW is much safer than genting. Dont hav much chance of a robbery unless he is a pirate. It is norm for people to notice high rollers or people with high bankroll. In LW, some of the regular high rollers are aunties, going there everyday. We basically noe who is who and some become gambling buddies cos we met each other almost everyday. 1 more better deal is that baccarat table in LW hav insurance bet. make it more safer for u if u feel not confident on ur bet.
I have travelled across many casinos. Been to LW too, but the reason why I go genting is I have a decent bed to sleep on. LW cabins if I don't remember wrongly is very small and when I play hard, I need decent rest. Which is very important to win more.

In genting, basically my rooms are free, with the comps I earned. In LW, I got to change non-negotiable chips, not that I can't win them, but the overall experience is not so good. Small ship, same kind of food, nothing to shop or walk and just gamble gamble gamble gamble. Kind of boring. In genting, I can go catch a movie, shopping, play internet, eat, go gym, kind of form of entertainment for relaxing the mind when I want to. Not like hole-ing in a small cabin getting sleep. I basically relax as much as I can, no kio kway because I prefer to focus on gambling and rest in casinos. Women are distractions.

I don't bring so much cash, because I change the cash to chips in genting and I bring the chips back to singapore, as the chips will be capital for next trip. The profit will be changed to cash and from there I bring back 1 stack each trip back. Chips are easier to carry as I can exchange to those plaques which are in the denominations of $1000, $10000, so compared to $100 ringgit notes, not alot if i just carry plaques. These plaques are like the size of chips and its squarish. Can directly change to cash chips on tables and they are not like those non-negotiable chips.

silverfox@
07-08-2008, 06:03 PM
sidetalk a bit on pontoon, blackjack tables.

Card counters are useless because every round, every single deck is shuffled. To defeat card counters.

If Blackjack and pontoon tables allow me to buy the dealer side, I sure buy them. Why? Players when they see dealer have 2-3 on the 1st card, they STAND. The books teach this way, but in real life, dealers with 2-3 seldom burst. I don't understand why too. When the dealer has a 7,8,9, or a picture, you see players start hitting and hitting. As the dealer don't need to do anything, wait for player to hit and burst is good enough. The house edge, playing style, favours the casino greatly. Unless you are a professional 1 person control 7 hands with no external players playing, then probably could stand a chance to win.

Insurance is the lousiest. Remember casinos are not running charities. They would never invent insurance to let us win. Probability of losing in insurance bets are ways for them to collect more money.

ultrasong
08-08-2008, 01:36 AM
So when do you know luck is coming or when luck is absent? Depending on luck would be best on buying Toto.

The part on knowing when to stop is correct. But not on the luck part. Winning means lucky, Losing means unlucky? Then casinos must be very very lucky to keep winning.

Self-discipline can win, which contributes on the part of knowing when to stop:p

Ya. Guess self discipline play the important part.

jw5
09-08-2008, 03:33 AM
Silverfox
You have given us quite an insight into someone who can be said to be almost a full time casino player. Perhaps like something from a movie rather than real life. :)
But can you also tell us briefly how you came to be a full time casino player. Did you use to work or run a business previously? Do you come from a rich family? Did you strike the lottery?
Because in spite of your rational thoughts about casino gambling and deep thinking, it would still appear to most people to be a very risky thing to do if you don't have a lot of cash or "backing" available.
Hope you understand my question.

silverfox@
09-08-2008, 04:55 AM
Silverfox
You have given us quite an insight into someone who can be said to be almost a full time casino player. Perhaps like something from a movie rather than real life. :)
But can you also tell us briefly how you came to be a full time casino player. Did you use to work or run a business previously? Do you come from a rich family? Did you strike the lottery?
Because in spite of your rational thoughts about casino gambling and deep thinking, it would still appear to most people to be a very risky thing to do if you don't have a lot of cash or "backing" available.
Hope you understand my question.
When I was young, I loved gambling. Many loved gambling too. All kinds of stuff I play. And I lose lose lose. Never really became an addict like playing every week. Just the occasional once or twice a month. Never did borrow money to gamble, all my own money. Because I wasn't winning, I think its a kind of lousy investment for me to play in casinos and I quit few years ago. I quit not because I didn't like gambling. I quit because I can't win.
I have a few businesses, some fail, some make some money. The kind where it doesn't make you poor, neither make you rich. I leverage my income to save and buy on shares, stocks. Using the money earned to invest in properties. From then I really started to see some money. I don't come from a rich family, not those living in districts 9, 10. Mid income.

Then one day I started reading books under the influence of a friend, realised that reading calms the mind and really make a person start using his brains. Reading curbs temper, and you realise many ways of life which you can apply in real life. So I started to went into studies of human behaviour and psychology. I applied all these methods into shares investment and realise the key is in being patient and keeping emotions in check. So one day happen to be holidaying in hongkong, same friend said go macau, decided to visit the casinos. Didn't really play much but started to observe people. Decided to apply what I learnt into gambling. That trip I won. My friend didn't really teach me how to gamble, but he taught me to win first of all you must win yourself. So that is why he encourage me to read, not for the sake of gambling but for personal well-being. When you can do that, you can apply these theories not even in gambling, but also in business and real life.

When I came back, I went into analysing various forms of gamblings, behaviour of people, keeping note of how people gamble with their bad habits. It's easy to see. Telling myself never to fall into like them.

So I take a paltry investment of $1000 to play with the casino. Starting only win like $100 or so. Very little, barely enough to cover expenses or even accommodations, but I am more interested to see how many hands I can win in a night, because if I increase my limit, I will be able to win money if I can consistently hit +positive territory. My friend also told me what is the point if I bring $10000 or so to a casino to win them. The fun part is using little money to win them and use their money to win more from them. That is the challenge.

From there I slowly started to keep what I earned from casino plays. Used the money earned I slowly use it as capital in casino. From $1000, slowly to $5000, slowly to $10000, and it slowly grew(not nice to say too much:o) To be able to reach the stage I am in, is not like 1-2 months, About a year. Imagine growing $1000 beyond $10000, is like over 1000% growth.

Many of us here are working, so $1000 as an initial start is very small. The theory of compounding my money was learned from shares investment, and I used the money earned to buy shares. After that I used it to buy properties. I don't quite like to buy cars because cars are depreciating, so in order not to lose too much, I stick with paying cars in full without using loans. Buying BMW, Mercs etc would be useless if you start taking loans on them. Now I am saving hard to see whether I can buy a GTR and paying it in full because its my dream car. (Dream, so must fulfil) For $300K, I can buy loads of shares and even finance my properties. So this money I am setting aside as I use a lot of my money on other investment management.

Many people fall into the trap of gambling, because when they win, they have no management of their winnings. They indulge in other stuff, without growing the money. So this is why even if I stop playing, I still have income for my lifestyle like going for spas, etc. Playing in a casino involves lots of brain cells activation, so I don't normally stay for more than 4 nights in a row. When i am back, I go for spas in hotels, facials, pamper relax, and of course book FLs in SBF. Well, work hard, earn hard, save hard also must play hard. Don't wish to wait till I am 50s, then start playing. This is the only form of indulgence I have . Doesn't put me in negative territory, but if I follow Buffett's thinking, I could have earned much more money with every dollar saved and the money compounded would be enormous.

I don't believe in skills, luck etc so much in a casino. If you are lucky, its temporary. If you are skilful, its also temporary. If your character is fucked up, its permanent, but only you yourself can change it.

You get to see many gamblers in casinos, win a bit of money start to showoff get proud, head get too big, this wouldn't last long. Be humble make more friends than enemies, just like in this forum, you see people like to post their thoughts, start to argue with you, let them be. Let them win to fill up their egos. Why waste time to argue with people like them. They would always think they are right and your words can't change them.

If I can start off with $1000, so can you. But if you cannot manage your emotions, even if you win a Million, it will finish very very soon.

People in general have very bad impressions of gamblers, so thats why if you start telling people you gamble as a living, people start to look at you with other kind of eyes. If you are gambling and losing and keep borrowing money, its a lousy investment. If you are gambling and winning and can yet still have assets, why not? So its not how you play but how you manage your money.

jw5
10-08-2008, 05:09 AM
Hi Silverfox
After reading your latest post, I actually went back in the thread to read your earlier posts. I almost never do that with other posts or forummers. Don't worry, I'm not gay and I'm not going to rob you, hahaha, but I'm very interested in your thoughts, lifestyle and principles. Hope you don't mind if I continue to tap your mind for ideas for myself.
You mentioned that you are mid 30s and no wife and kids. Do you plan to have a wife and kids? Or do you think these will be detrimental to you?
You said that you go to Genting and Macau most often. Can you share how you go to these places and what type of accomodation do you arrange?
You are obviously much more than just a typical casino gambler or even a neighbourhood 4d/toto gambler. Are you saying that you have put aside some investments to earn some passive income, while you take another lot of funds as your "casino capital" for full time gambling? It seems that your approach to gambling is similar to some peoples' approach to investing, with "stop loss" and "minimum capital" strategies, just to name 2.
Thanks again.

silverfox@
10-08-2008, 06:21 AM
Hi Silverfox
After reading your latest post, I actually went back in the thread to read your earlier posts. I almost never do that with other posts or forummers. Don't worry, I'm not gay and I'm not going to rob you, hahaha, but I'm very interested in your thoughts, lifestyle and principles. Hope you don't mind if I continue to tap your mind for ideas for myself.
You mentioned that you are mid 30s and no wife and kids. Do you plan to have a wife and kids? Or do you think these will be detrimental to you?
My thoughts started to evolve when I travelled many countries. I was like many of those who think Singapore is a place where you are always in a rat race. But when I went other countries to work and stay, I realised that these countries ain't any better. In a nice way, I put it as I can migrate, but in reality, its a form of escape. So that is why if there is a chance for anyone in their 20s to leave the country to work, make sure you do, and gain experience and eyesight. Whether you will come back to Singapore or not, the choice is yours.
My lifestyle in the past was like always happy go lucky, change girlfriends like clothes. In short is a playboy. I seriously wasn't looking for love, and in the process hurt many people. Then one day my retribution came. I fell in love with my prey and in the end I was the one who got hurt. So no point blaming anyone and that was the time I fully understand that what I got now is all the 'bad things' I did in the past.
My principles started to change as I started to go into reading after that period of losing the one I love most. I basically hang out in bookshops day night and started reading all kinds of books. You will start to ponder back and think. From what I read, I re-adjusted all my financial portfolios. Sold away useless properties, got back the money, re-invest. I applied my investment thinking onto gambling which I can do just with only $1000.
I would still seriously consider marriage if the right girl comes, if not, I wouldn't get married. Meanwhile the right one, I lost her, another right one haven't appear, so settling down is still a big question mark.:o



You said that you go to Genting and Macau most often. Can you share how you go to these places and what type of accomodation do you arrange?
You are obviously much more than just a typical casino gambler or even a neighbourhood 4d/toto gambler. Are you saying that you have put aside some investments to earn some passive income, while you take another lot of funds as your "casino capital" for full time gambling? It seems that your approach to gambling is similar to some peoples' approach to investing, with "stop loss" and "minimum capital" strategies, just to name 2.
Thanks again.
Normally when I go Macau, i will go Hongkong for a night first. Go for shopping , eating, etc. Then next day I go Macau. Stay for 2-3 nights. Normally stay in hotels.
But I prefer going Genting, because its nearer. If the IR in singapore opens, I wouldn't go genting so often. Genting there is hotels available. As I am lone ranger, normal rooms are good enough.

My savings are heavily invested in shares with earnings from it using to buy properties, from there I get passive income. I only used $1000 from my savings to gamble when I start, till today, this $1000 is recouped back and my capital in gambling comes from the casino. So you don't need a lot of money to win the casino, but you need to manage your own self and your money. I plough back my earnings from casinos into shares. From shares into properties. So that is why I have income this way.
Playing in a casino has reach a stage where I is like I determine how this share portfolio will go. Will it rise, will it drop. What to do when it rise, what to do when it drops. It's like shares investing. I applied these theories into gambling.
Seriously its not how much you going to gamble. It's your outlook on your way of life and how you want things to happen.

You just have to ask yourself, when you see bookies, loansharks, these people only think of earning money, but they never think of managing it. That is why after years, they are still doing the same illegal things. You ever see them quit?

When my relatives ask me what I do in real life, I just say I buy shares. How to tell people you gamble as a career? No one believes.

Try reading books on Zen of Buffetology, Napoleon hill's books, and if you want local writer's you can try Adam Khoo. But reading is reading, you will find something very common in these people.

dannywee75
10-08-2008, 08:42 AM
all i can say is "know when to stop" ... for me if i win in the begining i "double up" , if lose then "double down" lor ... not the other way round hor ! A lot of punters die young is bcos of the latter ...

jw5
11-08-2008, 04:55 AM
Silverfox
Thanks again for your reply.
Regarding your comment on emigrating, I think we share the same view. Besides Singapore, I have lived and worked in other countries as well, and I can say for sure that Singapore is quite a good place to live in. Many people who say how good other countries are, may not have lived in other countries before. They may have gone for a one week vacation and thought the place was fabulous. But Singapore is ok to live in only if you have some money and are intelligent enough to discern and ascertain what is right or wrong and what is good or bad for you. Otherwise you will be led like a sheep by people who like to exude power over others or think they know what is good for you.

Ok back to casino gambling. :) Some questions on blackjack.
1. I think you will agree that it is better for the player when there are other players in the table playing with the dealer? I guess it is so that you can better ascertain what the dealers' cards or your cards will be?
2. I find it very irritating when I am seated at the table and someone places a bet "on me". Can I reject this person's bet? Or can I just take away my bet and walk away?
3. If the person places a higher bet than mine, does he have the right to make the decision to hit or stay?
Please clarify your answers by stating whether they are casino rules or merely etiquette.
Thanks.

jw5
11-08-2008, 07:17 AM
ah pek
I don't understand why the person who places a higher bet can't go and find his own table and game. Is it to show that he has more money and hence more power? Damn kwai lan these people. :)

Platini
11-08-2008, 08:13 AM
wat is 1326 bro silverfox@?

breakingfree
11-08-2008, 10:07 AM
wat is 1326 bro silverfox@?

U bet 1chip, 3chip,2chip and 6chip progressively if u win. if u lose any of the bet..go back to 1chip again. so in theory, u will win 2chip if u lose ur 3rd hand, break even if u lose ur final hand. It is basically trying to use 2chips to win many chips and u need to win ur 1st 2 hand to work.

Guojing
11-08-2008, 11:05 AM
Wow, so much to talk about beating a game where basically there is negative long run expectation.

Why not play poker instead where it can be positive?

Platini
11-08-2008, 11:47 PM
tks bro breaking free nw i knw wats 1326,i found out e worst enemy in gambling is our ownself.

theory n practical in gambling are totally 2 different things.

it's easy to control when e ride is smooth but when e traffic is against u,tis went e discipline counts.

it's easy to quote as abv,but i've not encounted such sifu.

ive saw alot can win 300-500 each time for a few days but lost 3-5K one shot when luck is dwn.

overall to my own opinion,to survive as a pro in casino is really2 tough

kelvin
15-08-2008, 02:37 AM
my best tips :::

always bet within your means.
treat it as a game, NOT life and death.
be discipline, do NOT be greedy.

GOOD LUCK !!!

qoobe
15-08-2008, 06:40 AM
yes. gamble only with money you can spare

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 07:35 AM
Silverfox

Ok back to casino gambling. :) Some questions on blackjack.
1. I think you will agree that it is better for the player when there are other players in the table playing with the dealer? I guess it is so that you can better ascertain what the dealers' cards or your cards will be?
2. I find it very irritating when I am seated at the table and someone places a bet "on me". Can I reject this person's bet? Or can I just take away my bet and walk away?
3. If the person places a higher bet than mine, does he have the right to make the decision to hit or stay?
Please clarify your answers by stating whether they are casino rules or merely etiquette.
Thanks.



Bro JW5,

it depends.. in genting the sitting player have the final say..

i kena once in macau, over there the higher stake player have the say..

i be cheonging genting at last weekend of sept... huat ah..


ah pek
I don't understand why the person who places a higher bet can't go and find his own table and game. Is it to show that he has more money and hence more power? Damn kwai lan these people. :)

Hi there,
just back only and a bit busy so give a quick round up on this issue.

Ques 2,3)
In blackjack, if you are seated, regardless of whether you are in which casino, you have the final say to hit or stand. Even if someone places his bet(bigger than yours) on yours, you have the final decision. But if his bet very big and a decision has to be made on hit or stand, normally can discuss, but its at your perogative. If you anyhow hit or stand and lose, the person who places his bet on you will leave sooner or later.
In baccarat, some players will place their bets on mine. I welcome all. Because got money win together. I not superstitious on these, just that I try to wear at least red underwear. In an etiquette way, one should ask whether it is ok to put a bet on top of another player. I have seen some players who are very superstitious on these and brush away the bets of others. I wouldn't say its wrong, because the one who tamba on top also never ask in 1st place.

In your last post here which I quoted, blackjack is not an easy game to play emotionally. Because your last posting already shows you will be emotionally affected by what others do, say. When you can be emotionally affected, it affects judgement, thinking, and thus your percentage of winning the game will even be lowered further as the house already has an edge.
So that is why, I don't play Blackjack.

Will update more when I am free. Next week will be in casino again:o

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 08:54 AM
Bro,

no leh.. i macau ( last time that bird cage, not new 1 ) i kena before.. even thou i am sitting player, the dealer still ask the one behind me ( BIGGER STAKE ) to call the shots..

U can tell the dealer off and get the supervisor over to voice your displeasure. Depends on situation and normally can be solved amicably. Anyway, blackjack is a lousy game where I always see people kpkb, quarelling. Like that how to win money?

kelvin
15-08-2008, 09:07 AM
i read a story in Las Vegas.
the sitted player placed a small bet on Blackjack.
then, another standing player placed a very Big bet with him.
they got 20 points, so the sitted player turned to the standing player and asked him to give him some tips otherwise he will take another card !!
20 points, yet want to take another card.
well, i dont really read the rules, but i strongly believed that the sitted player shall have the final decision, but of course, as a point of courtesy, they may discuss.
anyway, Black jack is a "frustrating" game especially if there are many grumpy aunties around.
why ? u take card or dont take card, then lose, all the aunties will curse and swear, right ? ?

michaely
15-08-2008, 01:50 PM
Hi Silverfox

I understand that you're a professional baccarat player.

May I know, if there are 2 bacarrat tables, one is a normal table (5% comm on banker bet) and the other one is a no-comm. baccarat table (50% comm. on banker winning on 6), which one will you choose to play? Which one has a lower house advantage?

Thanks in advance!

aakumu
15-08-2008, 02:09 PM
Hi all

din see any thread on casino games. So tot of starting a thread on Dice or in chinese call "da xiao". Share with you some of my knowledge on how to win this game in casino if you following some betting rules that I gonna share

Hi bro,
What I learn over the years that you could not win over the table, gambling is just to fill you time or at least to make you playing time longer.

My humble two cents.

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 03:00 PM
Hi Silverfox

I understand that you're a professional baccarat player.

May I know, if there are 2 bacarrat tables, one is a normal table (5% comm on banker bet) and the other one is a no-comm. baccarat table (50% comm. on banker winning on 6), which one will you choose to play? Which one has a lower house advantage?

Thanks in advance!

I am not a 'professional' yet, just semi-pro:p

Back to baccarat table.

In theory, I ever read before that when the comm % is reduced from 5% to 4%, the casino's advantage edge is greatly reduced. But I myself haven't been to a casino that charges less than 5%.

In a shoe, average out about 60-65 hands will be played.
Let's say each hand you bet $100. In 60 hands, let's say there are 30 banker results. And out of this 30, 4 are Banker6.

So instead of winning $100, you win $50, and you make $200 less due to B6.
If it's a 5% comm table, out of 30 banker hands, you make $150 less due to every banker bet only getting $95 in return.

For me, I have no preference. Because trying to keng on this, will not make one rich. Because the most important task is to be able to win on all kinds of tables and conditions. The most common condition is the mini baccarat where Banker6 gets 50%.

Most people prefer to buy PLAYER, because in all conditions, PLAYER pays full if won. AND majority of people lose money in casinos. :o However I am not saying buying Player is bad.

You must be able to read each and every game. Every shoe is different in its way. There is no full proof single system that can win by itself. I myself combine a few systems into 1 thus anykind of table, shoe, hands, I can guess more or less what kind of results will turn up. Of course there will be shoes where I lose, but I know how to cut loss in a single shoe. That is to say if i lose a certain amount of credits, I stop and go for next shoe or next table and start again. Thus in this way, when I win, I continue, when I lose, I cut. Average out, can win a few hands every 1-2 hours. The most important point I will drive across is I bet only at most 50% of bets in a shoe. So that means a shoe has 60 hands, I bet at most 30 hands and this itself is very rare. Normally around 10-20 hands on average.

I have no problems when I see people following what I bet on tables, as they see I am winning. Because by the end of the shoe, they have won the same number of credits as me, but they never understand how to win. So the most important thing for one to win, is to understand how to win at the game.

Imagine you are luckless, how to win at a table, that is the kind of scenario one should be looking at.

Next thing, understand the rules of the game. Many people bet Baccarat without knowing what kind of scenario player take 3rd card, under what condition for player then the banker must take 3rd card. Study the rules of the game carefully and analyse why it is so. Then from there one can know what is the advantage of playing Baccarat. Casinos make money not because of the house edge but because many people gamble without knowing what is the card conditions. It's like a chef, don't know how to cook, just know how to eat, or cook maggi mee means he can become a chef? Even a top chef takes years to reach the top, what about a professional gambler?

Gambling is something which is being portrayed in a very bad form because many people lose money, lose house, lose family, friends. We have seen how people become addicted. But to boil down, gambling is not the root. It's human's greed that kills. Everyone always highlight gambling in its bad form with all the horror stories. But when a fairy tale story is shown, people start to believe and this is bad. It's true, there are fairy tale stories, just that compare to horror ones, its much much less if not casinos would have close down.

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Hi bro,
What I learn over the years that you could not win over the table, gambling is just to fill you time or at least to make you playing time longer.

My humble two cents.

For the hobbyist, yes. For serious people, no. If one understands how to win, you can win over the table.

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 03:09 PM
bro silverfox,

any more tips to win in casino?? I cheonging genting at end sep leh.. pls continue your posts.. thanks..

Any more tips to win in casino?

1 good tip, never choose a pretty croupier. :p
I have a penchant for playing with pretty croupiers. Eye candy, makes the sitting experience more enjoyable. But focus can lose.

So what I do is normally I win from other tables, then I will go to the pretty croupier's table and take $1000 play for fun with her till I lose that $1000, no more.

PS: Got because of this, manage to ask 1 croupier out. But only go makan, watch movie. Nothing more. Just like the kick out of it.

If one wants to win at Casinos, play only Baccarat. Learn to play it well and you will win money. The others can simply forget it. Or maybe others can share that they can win at roulettes, big small or blackjack.

For me baccarat has the lowest house edge. So its the only game with the best advantage for us.
2nd, never never never buy TIE.
3rd, never because of Banker 6 pays only 50% and dislike buying Banker. Instead learn to love it.

silverfox@
15-08-2008, 03:17 PM
i read a story in Las Vegas.
the sitted player placed a small bet on Blackjack.
then, another standing player placed a very Big bet with him.
they got 20 points, so the sitted player turned to the standing player and asked him to give him some tips otherwise he will take another card !!
20 points, yet want to take another card.
well, i dont really read the rules, but i strongly believed that the sitted player shall have the final decision, but of course, as a point of courtesy, they may discuss.
anyway, Black jack is a "frustrating" game especially if there are many grumpy aunties around.
why ? u take card or dont take card, then lose, all the aunties will curse and swear, right ? ?

Errr, actually 20 points how come the player still want to hit?
Anyway, like said if the situation is not 20 but 13 points. How? That is why blackjack is a game where you not only have to deal with the house, but also to deal with emotions. Not only that, still have to handle other people. This game to me is one of the lousiest in casino. To be frank, I love to play blackjack. But winning it is another thing. So I gave up playing blackjack not because I don't love it but because I am not the dealer. :D

Talking about arguments, there was this situation once in a baccarat table where 2 cards came out instead of 1, and because it was too fast, no one can determine which is the actual card for player or banker. So there was a scenario where 2 gamblers, 1 on banker, 1 on player. No one wants to budge on the result. So floor manager came over, maybe talk to both of them, everything settled. I suspected that both of them got the winning payout. Later on when I talk to croupier, he told me customer is king, if the payout is not high, can settle for both sides, most important is everyone is happy with outcome and in fair play.

jw5
16-08-2008, 03:08 AM
Hi silverfox
In blackjack, let's say we have the following scenario:
5 other players excluding you and the dealer. There are no picture or 10 cards for any of the other players, except you and the dealer. You have 13, the dealer has 15 and you are the first to be dealt the third card. Wouldn't this be a good time to hold on 13? I'm not a big fan or advocate of blackjack, but I think that the chances are not too bad.

Btw which casino are you going next week? How do you normally go to Genting, by plane then taxi, by plane then bus and cable car, by train then bus or by direct coach? :)

silverfox@
16-08-2008, 01:09 PM
Hi silverfox
In blackjack, let's say we have the following scenario:
5 other players excluding you and the dealer. There are no picture or 10 cards for any of the other players, except you and the dealer. You have 13, the dealer has 15 and you are the first to be dealt the third card. Wouldn't this be a good time to hold on 13? I'm not a big fan or advocate of blackjack, but I think that the chances are not too bad.

Btw which casino are you going next week? How do you normally go to Genting, by plane then taxi, by plane then bus and cable car, by train then bus or by direct coach? :)

The odds of blackjack is not a matter of whether you hit or stand. Dealer normally wait for player to hit till burst. And theoretically its easy for dealer to get a 10' card. But in real life, dealer have a good advantage when hitting and not bursting.
I am a lover of blackjack and I think blackjack odds really sucks for players. If I can, I be the dealer.:p

Probably genting as just went macau. I normally go via bus as I took plane before and the checking in process is quite tedious and I was questioned a few times before for bringing over the amount of currency in/out of SG.

Via air, I would need to switch to taxi which is another 1 hour plus ride.
So nowadays I take coaches. I don't drive all the way there because I think its not really worth it as i travel alone, not like in a family group. Firthermore on coach can relax.

xavier69
17-08-2008, 03:53 AM
Recently watched the movie 21 about the true story of MIT students who mastered the art of card counting and took Vegas casinos for millions in winnings. Interesting movie for those who play Blackjack.

jw5
17-08-2008, 05:37 AM
hi silverfox
When you take a coach to Genting, do you have a problem with the duration and the pit stops along the way, especially the conditions of the toilets?
Are you also concerned about security, since you are carrying a fair amount of money?

How do you go to Macau, via SQ or Cathay to HK and then ferry to Macau?
I find the ferry ride quite tiresome, almost like the taxi ride from KL airport to Genting.

Regarding blackjack, I think there is an advantage to the players that the dealer must hit on 16 and stay on 17.

jw5
17-08-2008, 05:39 AM
Recently watched the movie 21 about the true story of MIT students who mastered the art of card counting and took Vegas casinos for millions in winnings. Interesting movie for those who play Blackjack.
xavier
I watched 21 as well, on the plane back from HK after having played blackjack in Macau casino! Good movie with fine performance from Kevin Spacey as usual. Interesting concept, although I didn't quite understood how they did it.

silverfox@
17-08-2008, 06:02 AM
xavier
I watched 21 as well, on the plane back from HK after having played blackjack in Macau casino! Good movie with fine performance from Kevin Spacey as usual. Interesting concept, although I didn't quite understood how they did it.

With card counting, its a probability issue. Where the probability of hitting and not bursting or standing and not bursting. I think many casinos in order to defeat card counters, they chose to shuffle every deck, so this way can't count anymore.:p

sohbuckkong
17-08-2008, 10:55 AM
hi silverfox
..........on 17.

I would like to add that by the law of average, on average, out of 10 times, a person will guess 5 times right and 5 times wrong. The problem is that out of the 5 times which they guess correctly, they bet very little and of those that were wrong, they usually bet a lot, so they end out lose. This is the most basic problem of all gamblers.

So the key to winning in casinos is to be able to bet more during those times that you are able to guess correctly and to bet less when winning, the problem is how do I know when is winning or losing? The answer is no body knows.

I therefore conclude that one should not increase stakes while losing and to increase stakes only if winning, this is the only way to win however it takes guts to increase stakes when winning which is contrary to a normal gamblers behavious, thats why most people lose. But this is the only way to win in casinos as most losers will always say the same thing "losing is fast and winning is slow".

Adidas
18-08-2008, 07:04 AM
we are not professional gamblers la.
so normal people likes us, always bet smal small in the first few bets.
when on the rolls,then place big bets,this is why we always lost.

good points, sohbuckkong :cool:

kelvin
19-08-2008, 12:39 AM
lets look at two extreme real scenarios. say, today, IS your Lucky Day. You bring S$1000, place full amount on first bet and win. Thus, you now have S$2000. Second bet, you ber full amount again and win again. Now, you have S$4000. Final Third bet, you are damn Lucky and win again. So, you collect s$8000. Your profit is S$7000.

Next scenarion. very Unlucky day. you lost initial capital S$1000. you join queue to withdraw money. say you withdraw whatever amount and lost all of it.

this is the lesson and consequences of gambling.
thus, i Always say, do NOT be greedy, bet within your means and stay focus and disciplined.
GOOD LUCK.

hughgrant
19-08-2008, 01:25 AM
in the long run, the odds will always be against the player. thats how casinos make money

jw5
20-08-2008, 06:04 AM
Hi silverfox and sohbuckkiong
I don't play blackjack that often, but I have done a few experiments and found that I normally break even. What usually happens is that I start off winning, and then later start losing. When I am abck to my original stake (pool of cash), I leave the table. The few times that I tried this took me about 2 to 3 hours each time. I would always bet the same amount, no more or no less whether I just won or lost the hand.

The problem is that I probably should have left the table while I was ahead and perhaps go and do something else or go to another table. But I didn't and ended up giving back all my winnings.

sohbuckkong
21-08-2008, 07:23 AM
.............. What usually happens is that I start off winning, and then later start losing. When I am abck to my original stake (pool of cash), I leave the table. The few times that I tried this took me about 2 to 3 hours each time. I would always bet the same amount, no more or no less whether I just won or lost the hand.

The problem is that I probably should have left the table while I was ahead and perhaps go and do something else or go to another table. But I didn't and ended up giving back all my winnings.

Ok, you started winning and subsequently lose till you left your original stake and you stop, this is great, so how do you start betting from here, lets assume you continue to bet cautiously and luck was not with you and you begin to lose continuously and subsequently lose a substantial amount, so what do you do next. Lets assume you say "lets continue to bet cautiously and smartly" and luck is not with you and you sink deeper, so what are you to do next, stop or continue to play again..... etc etc..... So this is the problem with gambling.

In gambling, if you can win one million it means you can also lose one million. In roulette, black or red can come out 15 times in a row and is very common. In baccarat, banker or player can come out 12 times in a row and this is quite common too, so theres no way we can win in casino, the only system is to use the martingale but one need to be filty rich and moreover casino has imposed betting limits that prevent us from using this system.

For the mind to think that we can win in casino is the trick of our minds, thats why gamblers keep going back to casinos because they thought they could win but casino operators knows that we cant and we can never win them in the long run. Casino and gamblers or long running operators.

This is how the mind works :- With regards to roulette, Our minds says "aiyah where got so easy to come out zero, if come out also once in a while what! So lets bet black or red, 50-50 chance easier to win, if makan, dont worry, put again, where got so sway always makan" and so we bet more and more each time if makan. And so thats how we lost and lost heavily putting heavy bets believing that we will recover.

The above are all theories, the only way to proof whether we can win or otherwise is to be practical by creating all the different playing strategies one can think off and play to see if we could win. This I have done and the results I get is everyone lose no matter what strategies they use. Yes, everybody lose irregardless whether you play baccarat or roulette and no matter what strategies you use.

I will post the results here next time.

jw5
22-08-2008, 04:39 AM
sohbuckkong
I'm not saying that we can beat the casinoes in the long run. I'm simply recollecting my experiences in playing blackjack and saying that I mainly came out breaking even after spending a few hours at a table.
Most of the time, I would start of winning and end up losing back, and would stop when I return to my original stake. What would I do if I started off losing and kept losing? Let's say I change chips of amount S$1,000. If I start off losing, I would leave the table when I have lost the $1000. No reaching into the wallet for another $1000. This limits the potential of really losing big.

sohbuckkong
22-08-2008, 10:05 AM
.................. If I start off losing, I would leave the table when I have lost the $1000. No reaching into the wallet for another $1000. This limits the potential of really losing big.

Good strategy but most unfortunately most gamblers have difficulty disciplinine themselves thats y end up loser.

breakingfree
22-08-2008, 10:15 AM
Good strategy but most unfortunately most gamblers have difficulty disciplinine themselves thats y end up loser.

leaving when u lose is the easy part. leaving when u win is the hard part. They are sooo many people who win initally but in the end lose it all cos they wan to win more.

sohbuckkong
23-08-2008, 04:05 AM
.......I will post the results here next time.
For roullette lovers, usually we thought that it is wiser and better to play black-red as this gives us a better winning chance as opposed to betting in individual numbers. I did a finding (below are the datas) and it is confirmed that both ways lose in the long run and that we will lose less if we played individual numbers.


######## datas below ########################
Game 99954 You won :- Dealer number = 30 and player number = 23 19
Game 99955 You won :- Dealer number = 35 and player number = 14 29 27
Game 99955 You won :- Dealer number = 35 and player number = 14 29
Game 99956 You won :- Dealer number = 22 and player number = 9 2 15
Game 99956 You won :- Dealer number = 22 and player number = 9 2
Game 99957 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 25 22 33
Game 99957 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 25 22
Game 99958 You won :- Dealer number = 1 and player number = 18 20 7
Game 99958 You won :- Dealer number = 1 and player number = 18 20
Game 99959 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 30 26 13
Game 99959 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 30 26
Game 99960 You won :- Dealer number = 17 and player number = 30 25 36
Game 99960 You won :- Dealer number = 17 and player number = 30 25
Game 99961 You won :- Dealer number = 20 and player number = 32 33 1
Game 99961 You won :- Dealer number = 20 and player number = 32 33
Game 99962 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 9 35 30
Game 99962 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 9 35
Game 99963 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 23 7 8
Game 99963 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 23 7
Game 99964 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 33 14 18
Game 99964 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 33 14
Game 99965 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 4 14 7
Game 99965 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 4 14
Game 99966 You won :- Dealer number = 31 and player number = 9 30 0
Game 99966 You won :- Dealer number = 31 and player number = 9 30
Game 99967 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 4 20 31
Game 99967 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 4 20
Game 99968 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 36 33 29
Game 99968 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 36 33
Game 99969 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 13 24 19
Game 99969 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 13 24
Game 99970 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 21 14 25
Game 99970 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 21 14
Game 99971 You won :- Dealer number = 15 and player number = 33 28 3
Game 99971 You won :- Dealer number = 15 and player number = 33 28
Game 99972 You won :- Dealer number = 4 and player number = 34 0 18
Game 99972 You won :- Dealer number = 4 and player number = 34 0
Game 99973 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 27 28 8
Game 99973 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 27 28
Game 99974 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 23 18 6
Game 99974 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 23 18
Game 99975 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 6 21
Game 99975 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 6
Game 99976 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 10 30 25
Game 99976 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 10 30
Game 99977 You won :- Dealer number = 10 and player number = 23 34 5
Game 99977 You won :- Dealer number = 10 and player number = 23 34
Game 99978 You lost :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 6 15 23
Game 99978 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 6 15
Game 99979 You won :- Dealer number = 29 and player number = 25 30 14
Game 99979 You won :- Dealer number = 29 and player number = 25 30
Game 99980 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 36 14 21
Game 99980 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 36 14
Game 99981 You won :- Dealer number = 28 and player number = 36 33 29
Game 99981 You won :- Dealer number = 28 and player number = 36 33
Game 99982 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 12 16 30
Game 99982 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 12 16
Game 99983 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 13 4 23
Game 99983 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 13 4
Game 99984 You won :- Dealer number = 12 and player number = 20 21 17
Game 99984 You won :- Dealer number = 12 and player number = 20 21
Game 99985 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 21 26 28
Game 99985 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 21 26
Game 99986 You won :- Dealer number = 21 and player number = 14 11 0
Game 99986 You won :- Dealer number = 21 and player number = 14 11
Game 99987 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 32 23 0
Game 99987 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 32 23
Game 99988 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 0 20
Game 99988 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 0
Game 99989 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 32 0 6
Game 99989 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 32 0
Game 99990 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 36 23 12
Game 99990 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 36 23
Game 99991 You won :- Dealer number = 16 and player number = 20 36 26
Game 99991 You won :- Dealer number = 16 and player number = 20 36
Game 99992 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 6 4 28
Game 99992 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 6 4
Game 99993 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 25 22 12
Game 99993 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 25 22
Game 99994 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 5 35 3
Game 99994 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 5 35
Game 99995 You won :- Dealer number = 18 and player number = 26 19 30
Game 99995 You won :- Dealer number = 18 and player number = 26 19
Game 99996 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 27 28 17
Game 99996 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 27 28
Game 99997 You won :- Dealer number = 33 and player number = 29 11 22
Game 99997 You won :- Dealer number = 33 and player number = 29 11
Game 99998 You won :- Dealer number = 9 and player number = 5 35 20
Game 99998 You won :- Dealer number = 9 and player number = 5 35
Game 99999 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 20 22 26
Game 99999 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 20 22
Game 100000 You won :- Dealer number = 6 and player number = 11 8 13
Game 100000 You won :- Dealer number = 6 and player number = 11 8

System 1 :- Betted 34 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 91936 times and lost 8064 times.
Final results = You lost -88465.2799999804 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).
#################################

System 2
You betted 3 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 8064 times and lost 91936 times.
Final results = You lost -7034.88000000044 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).

########## system bet 2 numbers below ##################

System 3.
You betted 35 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 94638 times and lost 5362 times.
Final results = You lost -92085.6200001034 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).
#################################

System 4.
You betted 2 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 5362 times and lost 94638 times.
Final results = You lost -5144.91999999982 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).

sohbuckkong
23-08-2008, 04:23 AM
Again for roulette lovers, I have the following datas for you. The datas below shows the frequency of each number appearing for 100,000 games. It is very interesting to note that at the end of the 100,000 games rolled, the frequency of each number appeared are all about the same (around 2.7%) which proves that the law of averages are very real stuff in gambling. If we multiply 2.7 times 37, the answer is 100% (the total sum of 37 numbers)

I also wanted to know the frequency of a repeat number appearing and the results showed its average frequency as around 2.7% which is the same as the frequency of a number appearing.


####### datas ################

0 = 2970 (2.67567567567568%)

1 = 3039 (2.73783783783784%)

2 = 3002 (2.7045045045045%)

3 = 3096(2.78918918918919%)

4 = 2935(2.64414414414414%)

5 = 2962(2.66846846846847%)

6 = 2959(2.66576576576577%)

7 = 3001(2.7036036036036%)

8 = 2954(2.66126126126126%)

9 = 2962(2.66846846846847%)

10 = 2941(2.64954954954955%)

11 = 3024(2.72432432432432%)

12 = 3112(2.8036036036036%)

13 = 2947(2.65495495495496%)

14 = 3085(2.77927927927928%)

15 = 3007(2.70900900900901%)

16 = 3034(2.73333333333333%)

17 = 2999(2.7018018018018%)

18 = 2950(2.65765765765766%)

19 = 2912(2.62342342342342%)

20 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

21 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

22 = 3024(2.72432432432432%)

23 = 3099(2.79189189189189%)

24 = 3072(2.76756756756757%)

25 = 2980(2.68468468468468%)

26 = 2967(2.67297297297297%)

27 = 3098(2.79099099099099%)

28 = 2954(2.66126126126126%)

29 = 3038(2.73693693693694%)

30 = 2993(2.6963963963964%)

31 = 3082(2.77657657657658%)

32 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

33 = 2945(2.65315315315315%)

34 = 3023(2.72342342342342%)

35 = 3013(2.71441441441441%)

36 = 2929(2.63873873873874%)

######### repeat numbers #################
Repeat occur 2692 times = 2.692 % of 100000 games.

sohbuckkong
23-08-2008, 05:00 AM
For rouleette lovers again, suppose we bet 34 numbers and on each round we lose we double the bets.... eg, bet $1 on each of the 34 numbers and if makan, bet $17 on each number, of course we win but we need to know how many times they can makan us continuously and the answer i get below is 4 times.

###### datas of 100,000 games ########
Game 99995
You Won! Dealer = 26, player = 24 14 35
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1384 2...108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5022, stake = 1
Game 99996
You Won! Dealer = 15, player = 24 35 9
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 126.9 95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5024, stake = 1
Game 99997
You Won! Dealer = 30, player = 4 36 12
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1.....95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5026, stake = 1
Game 99998
You Won! Dealer = 2, player = 23 26 24
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 12.8 .5.614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5028, stake = 1
Game 99999
You Won! Dealer = 17, player = 2 9 13
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1603 94192 94237 94506 94521 94547 94696 95019 95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5030, stake = 1
Game 100000
You Won! Dealer = 23, player = 22 5 18
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1.9 2......14 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5032, stake = 1

sohbuckkong
23-08-2008, 05:18 AM
Again for roulete lovers.

For those who love to bet individual numbers. Lets say you bet only 1 number each game, you may wonder when then you will strike, will I strike, can I strike. The answer is yes you can, and you will strike and the datas below shows the maximum number of times you will not strike continuously if you played 100,000 games.

The results showed that you dont have to wait for more than 250 to 350 times before you strike.

###### datas ####################
Game 99874, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 27 .
Game 99875, you lose, dealer num = 15 and player num = 19 .
Game 99876, you lose, dealer num = 19 and player num = 3 .
Game 99877, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 2 .
Game 99878, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 29 .
Game 99879, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 31 .
Game 99880, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 3 .
Game 99881, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 15 .
Game 99882, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 23 .
Game 99883, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 28 .
Game 99884, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 3 .
Game 99885, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 12 .
Game 99886, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 23 .
Game 99887, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 10 .
Game 99888, you lose, dealer num = 30 and player num = 0 .
Game 99889, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 15 .
Game 99890, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 12 .
Game 99891, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 26 .
Game 99892, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 33 .
Game 99893, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 26 .
Game 99894, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 12 .
Game 99895, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 13 .
Game 99896, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 25 .
Game 99897, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 3 .
Game 99898, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 13 .
Game 99899, you lose, dealer num = 30 and player num = 21 .
Game 99900, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 12 .
Game 99901, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 20 .
Game 99902, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 13 .
Game 99903, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 26 .
Game 99904, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 35 .
Game 99905, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 34 .
Game 99906, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 23 .
Game 99907, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 7 .
Game 99908, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 5 .
Game 99909, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 22 .
Game 99910, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 12 .
Game 99911, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 34 .
Game 99912, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 14 .
Game 99913, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 7 .
Game 99914, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 33 .
Game 99915, you lose, dealer num = 16 and player num = 20 .
Game 99916, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 23 .
Game 99917, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 27 .
Game 99918, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 22 .
Game 99919, you lose, dealer num = 16 and player num = 2 .
Game 99920, you lose, dealer num = 13 and player num = 35 .
Game 99921, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 20 .
Game 99922, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 16 .
Game 99923, you lose, dealer num = 17 and player num = 14 .
Game 99924, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 11 .
Game 99925, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 20 .
Game 99926, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 31 .
Game 99927, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 9 .
Game 99928, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 21 .
Game 99929, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 21 .
Game 99930, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 27 .
Game 99931, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 34 .
Game 99932, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 18 .
Game 99933, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 33 .
Game 99934, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 25 .
Game 99935, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 14 .
Game 99936, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 32 .
Game 99937, you lose, dealer num = 15 and player num = 24 .
Game 99938, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 1 .
Game 99939, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 13 .
Game 99940, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 34 .
Game 99941, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 24 .
Game 99942, you lose, dealer num = 27 and player num = 14 .
Game 99943, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 26 .
Game 99944, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 24 .
Game 99945, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 10 .
Game 99946, you strike, dealer num = 36 and player num = 36 .
Game 99947, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 24 .
Game 99948, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 15 .
Game 99949, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 10 .
Game 99950, you lose, dealer num = 20 and player num = 14 .
Game 99951, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 17 .
Game 99952, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 23 .
Game 99953, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 35 .
Game 99954, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 9 .
Game 99955, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 0 .
Game 99956, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 18 .
Game 99957, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 13 .
Game 99958, you lose, dealer num = 11 and player num = 1 .
Game 99959, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 19 .
Game 99960, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 0 .
Game 99961, you strike, dealer num = 23 and player num = 23 .
Game 99962, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 6 .
Game 99963, you lose, dealer num = 27 and player num = 21 .
Game 99964, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 36 .
Game 99965, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 15 .
Game 99966, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 3 .
Game 99967, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 36 .
Game 99968, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 6 .
Game 99969, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 16 .
Game 99970, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 15 .
Game 99971, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 0 .
Game 99972, you lose, dealer num = 34 and player num = 23 .
Game 99973, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 12 .
Game 99974, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 15 .
Game 99975, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 27 .
Game 99976, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 6 .
Game 99977, you lose, dealer num = 0 and player num = 10 .
Game 99978, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 17 .
Game 99979, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 8 .
Game 99980, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 29 .
Game 99981, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 4 .
Game 99982, you lose, dealer num = 13 and player num = 23 .
Game 99983, you lose, dealer num = 19 and player num = 9 .
Game 99984, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 17 .
Game 99985, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 14 .
Game 99986, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 15 .
Game 99987, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 31 .
Game 99988, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 34 .
Game 99989, you lose, dealer num = 17 and player num = 18 .
Game 99990, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 24 .
Game 99991, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 2 .
Game 99992, you lose, dealer num = 11 and player num = 20 .
Game 99993, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 3 .
Game 99994, you lose, dealer num = 34 and player num = 18 .
Game 99995, you lose, dealer num = 1 and player num = 35 .
Game 99996, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 16 .
Game 99997, you strike, dealer num = 18 and player num = 18 .
Game 99998, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 16 .
Game 99999, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 17 .
Max Number of times did not strike continuously = 326 times.

sohbuckkong
23-08-2008, 05:44 AM
Again for roulete lovers.

Suppose you bet $1 on only one number each game and if you lose 34 times, you start to bet $2, and your bet increase accordingly to your loses, you may wish to know for 100,000 games, what is your maximum loses and the maximum amout of stake you may have to put. Here is your datas below:-

##### datas ########
Game 76200, $dealer_no = 25, $num = 7.
$capital = 99930.1, $win_lose = -69.8999999999796, $stake = 2.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -69.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 2.
Game 76500, $dealer_no = 36, $num = 8.
$capital = 99928.1, $win_lose = -71.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -71.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 76800, $dealer_no = 3, $num = 1.
$capital = 99925.1, $win_lose = -74.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -74.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77100, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 30.
$capital = 99922.1, $win_lose = -77.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -77.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77400, $dealer_no = 7, $num = 31.
$capital = 99919.1, $win_lose = -80.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -80.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77700, $dealer_no = 9, $num = 12.
$capital = 99916.1, $win_lose = -83.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78000, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 30.
$capital = 100022.15, $win_lose = 22.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78300, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 8.
$capital = 100021.15, $win_lose = 21.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78600, $dealer_no = 3, $num = 11.
$capital = 100020.15, $win_lose = 20.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78900, $dealer_no = 12, $num = 20.
$capital = 100019.15, $win_lose = 19.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79200, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 24.
$capital = 100018.15, $win_lose = 18.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79500, $dealer_no = 17, $num = 11.
$capital = 100017.15, $win_lose = 17.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79800, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 22.
$capital = 100016.15, $win_lose = 16.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80100, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 25.
$capital = 100015.15, $win_lose = 15.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80400, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 33.
$capital = 100014.15, $win_lose = 14.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80700, $dealer_no = 8, $num = 2.
$capital = 100013.15, $win_lose = 13.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81000, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 17.
$capital = 100012.15, $win_lose = 12.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81300, $dealer_no = 5, $num = 8.
$capital = 100011.15, $win_lose = 11.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81600, $dealer_no = 32, $num = 18.
$capital = 100010.15, $win_lose = 10.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81900, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 22.
$capital = 100009.15, $win_lose = 9.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82200, $dealer_no = 11, $num = 30.
$capital = 100008.15, $win_lose = 8.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82500, $dealer_no = 8, $num = 36.
$capital = 100007.15, $win_lose = 7.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82800, $dealer_no = 4, $num = 2.
$capital = 100006.15, $win_lose = 6.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83100, $dealer_no = 27, $num = 27.
$capital = 100041.5, $win_lose = 41.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83400, $dealer_no = 14, $num = 4.
$capital = 100040.5, $win_lose = 40.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83700, $dealer_no = 1, $num = 24.
$capital = 100039.5, $win_lose = 39.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84000, $dealer_no = 23, $num = 31.
$capital = 100038.5, $win_lose = 38.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84300, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 27.
$capital = 100037.5, $win_lose = 37.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84600, $dealer_no = 19, $num = 6.
$capital = 100036.5, $win_lose = 36.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84900, $dealer_no = 7, $num = 28.
$capital = 100035.5, $win_lose = 35.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85200, $dealer_no = 11, $num = 1.
$capital = 100034.5, $win_lose = 34.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85500, $dealer_no = 31, $num = 7.
$capital = 100033.5, $win_lose = 33.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85800, $dealer_no = 35, $num = 29.
$capital = 100032.5, $win_lose = 32.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86100, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 13.
$capital = 100031.5, $win_lose = 31.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86400, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 1.
$capital = 100030.5, $win_lose = 30.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86700, $dealer_no = 22, $num = 36.
$capital = 100029.5, $win_lose = 29.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87000, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 27.
$capital = 100028.5, $win_lose = 28.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87300, $dealer_no = 4, $num = 12.
$capital = 100027.5, $win_lose = 27.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87600, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 32.
$capital = 100026.5, $win_lose = 26.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87900, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 13.
$capital = 100025.5, $win_lose = 25.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88200, $dealer_no = 36, $num = 28.
$capital = 100024.5, $win_lose = 24.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88500, $dealer_no = 33, $num = 15.
$capital = 100023.5, $win_lose = 23.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88800, $dealer_no = 25, $num = 34.
$capital = 100022.5, $win_lose = 22.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89100, $dealer_no = 29, $num = 11.
$capital = 100021.5, $win_lose = 21.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89400, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 24.
$capital = 100020.5, $win_lose = 20.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89700, $dealer_no = 19, $num = 18.
$capital = 100019.5, $win_lose = 19.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 90000, $dealer_no = 26, $num = 20.
$capital = 100018.5, $win_lose = 18.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
########################################
Summary : You won! 18.5000000000291 units.
Total games played = 90000 games
Original capital = 100000 units. Final capital = 100018.5 units
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796 units, Maximum stake = 3 units.
Total commission collected = 3.5 units.

alvin36
02-09-2008, 05:50 AM
hi all.. i'm new here. just happenned to read this interesting thread :p

anyway... in my opinion....in roulette, all game are independent. chances for any number to come out is 1/37, which is 2.7027027027.... %

for example, game #001 come out "7"
chances for game #002 to come out "7" again is still 2.7027027027.... %

even after 3 consecutive games of "7", chances for the 4th game to come out "7" again.. is still 2.7027027027.... %

This above is my point of every game is "independent".

Next, on the point of "gamblers... can never win casino...", seems that fellows members here forgot one very important point.

That is : the casino has almost unlimited supply of chips/money to fight with gambler. For example, a player can win very often... say he win 5k for a few days..... does casino feel a pinch ?? NO, OF COURSE !!
On the other hand... if a player... lose 5k, then 10k, then lose 20k... then most likely he will be in deep trouble.. soon he will begin to borrow.. with interest.

In life, luck is up and down, you can up by 5k, down 3k, up 10k, down 8, up 20k, down 30k... no matter how much you up, the casino will not DIE. But if you down 20k or 100k.... i'm sure.. you will be in big touble liao.

kelvin
05-09-2008, 04:38 AM
yes, very true !
Today's newspaper:
Arab Billionaire Fouad al-Zayat bought 91M pounds in gaming chips and had already lost more tan 23M pounds.

silverfox@
08-09-2008, 04:36 AM
I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.

On cruise, there is the
1)additional insurance bets on player or banker.
2)the $10 tables, they use single decks
3)banker pair/player pair is 10-1 payout, on land casino is 11-1 payout. so generally you win less.

generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.

thus i feel insurance betting is a way of earning money for the casinos.

single decks reduce the house edge. for customers who can do some counting, should play these tables. i don't have a penchant for this, because in the world not many places use single decks anymore. normally its 8 decks.

alvin36
08-09-2008, 10:15 AM
I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.

On cruise, there is the
1)additional insurance bets on player or banker.
2)the $10 tables, they use single decks
3)banker pair/player pair is 10-1 payout, on land casino is 11-1 payout. so generally you win less.

generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.

thus i feel insurance betting is a way of earning money for the casinos.

single decks reduce the house edge. for customers who can do some counting, should play these tables. i don't have a penchant for this, because in the world not many places use single decks anymore. normally its 8 decks.

yes bro... insurrance betting is crap. in fact, if you calculate the tax or the advantage that the casino eat you in insurrance game.. you will know.

let me explain,

#1. if you have 7 points (banker or player), the insurrance is 1 pay 4.
you see, if you have 7 points on player, the banker has 2 points, there is only 2 cards that the banker can draw to win you. therefore the probability is 2/12, 1 card TIE. right ? 2/12 = 1/6, which by right, should be 1 pay 5. but the casino only 1 pay 4. therefore, for this insurrance game itself, the casino tax you 20 %. correct ??

#2. if you have 6 points, the same calculation goes for above, the casino has 3 cards to win and 1 card TIE. The insurrance payout is 1 pay 3.. which is fair and tax free. the only difference is.. if you buy banker and has 6 points, there is a still a chance for you to draw a 3rd card, depending on what the player 3rd card.

#. the same theory apply to 5 points.

to summarise.. i find that , in the insurrance game, if the payout is 1pay 2 or 1 pay 3.. you can play. but for 1 pay 4 or 1 pay 8.. is not worth betting. because the odds are too small. and the payout is too little.

Next... let me talk about the BIG SMALL game. everyone should never play the "total points" or "correct number" games. the fair game is only BIG or SMALL.

let me explain. in BIG or SMALL, there is 6 out of 216 chances of "BAO ZI".. which is 1/36 chances.. that means only 2.7777% advantage to casino, which is fair for any game in casino.

but if you bet "112", the payout is 1 pay 50, which is not fair. for a dice game to come out "112" the chances is 3 out of 216, which should be 1/72. that means the pay out should be 1 pay 72 (without tax).... therefore, for the casino to only pay 1 pay 50.. the tax is too much,is almost 25 %

another scenerio, if you bet "234", the payout is only 1 pay 30. For any dice game, for the dice to come out "234" is 6 out of 216. so the fair pay out should be 1 pay 36 (without tax). therefore, for this kind of bet, even if you win, the casino already tax you almost 15 %.. right ?

not sure if my analysis is clear...... anyone has any comments to share ?

silverfox@
08-09-2008, 06:34 PM
yes bro... insurrance betting is crap. in fact, if you calculate the tax or the advantage that the casino eat you in insurrance game.. you will know.

let me explain,

#1. if you have 7 points (banker or player), the insurrance is 1 pay 4.
you see, if you have 7 points on player, the banker has 2 points, there is only 2 cards that the banker can draw to win you. therefore the probability is 2/12, 1 card TIE. right ? 2/12 = 1/6, which by right, should be 1 pay 5. but the casino only 1 pay 4. therefore, for this insurrance game itself, the casino tax you 20 %. correct ??

#2. if you have 6 points, the same calculation goes for above, the casino has 3 cards to win and 1 card TIE. The insurrance payout is 1 pay 3.. which is fair and tax free. the only difference is.. if you buy banker and has 6 points, there is a still a chance for you to draw a 3rd card, depending on what the player 3rd card.

#. the same theory apply to 5 points.

to summarise.. i find that , in the insurrance game, if the payout is 1pay 2 or 1 pay 3.. you can play. but for 1 pay 4 or 1 pay 8.. is not worth betting. because the odds are too small. and the payout is too little.

not sure if my analysis is clear...... anyone has any comments to share ?

Big small i don't know much, so can't comment.
What you said on insurance is more or less than. my observations is people tend to buy insurance.
I can say at least 50% of people who play baccarat do not know how the conditions of baccarat works. Which condition to take 3rd card for player and which condition to take 3rd card for banker. Then when it comes to this insurance betting, more will not know how to calculate further. so if in the event you get paid 1 to 4, and the dealer pays 1 to 2, due to pace of the game, i can say these people wouldn't know.
So this part casino wins. The tax part is really too outrageous and the payout is not fair but still people bet on it.

alvin36
09-09-2008, 03:47 AM
Big small i don't know much, so can't comment.
What you said on insurance is more or less than. my observations is people tend to buy insurance.
I can say at least 50% of people who play baccarat do not know how the conditions of baccarat works. Which condition to take 3rd card for player and which condition to take 3rd card for banker. Then when it comes to this insurance betting, more will not know how to calculate further. so if in the event you get paid 1 to 4, and the dealer pays 1 to 2, due to pace of the game, i can say these people wouldn't know.
So this part casino wins. The tax part is really too outrageous and the payout is not fair but still people bet on it.

You are right, the tax is too outrageous for the "insurrance game". We should always treat the insurrance game as an independent game, because, afterall, we are betting on the "insurrance card".

If you play insurrance , in the long term, you will lose.
The only insurrance game that you can play is when you bet player, and got 6 points, when banker needs to draw 3rd card, the casino will say 1 pay 3 for your player bet. As far as I calculate, this is the only "insurrance game" with ZERO tax.

For example, if your player got 6 points, banker got 1 point, then banker has only 3 chance to win you, that is banker draw "6 or 7 or 8", draw 5 is TIE. There the odds is 3 out of 12. the odd of 1 pay 3 is totally TAX FREE.

sohbuckkong
10-09-2008, 08:05 AM
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For example, if your player got 6 points, banker got 1 point, then banker has only 3 chance to win you, that is banker draw "6 or 7 or 8", draw 5 is TIE. There the odds is 3 out of 12. the odd of 1 pay 3 is totally TAX FREE.
3 out of 12 = 1 pay 4.

breakingfree
10-09-2008, 09:04 AM
I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.


generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.



ermm, if it is a tie bet, they will return u both ur bet and ur insurance money. Dont really need to condemn insurance bet. It depends on the situation how u going to use it thou.

For example u bet $200 player with dealer offering u insurance of 1 : 2. u can consider buying $100 insurance. cos no matter whats the result except tie, u win $100. no stress. Normally the players will buy 1 : 2 up till 1: 4. anything abv less likey for them to buy cos the odds of the hands going against them is less likely.

I seldom buy insurance too, cos it will "eat" into ur profit if u play insurance long run, unless i place quite a big sum. but as i say again it really depends on situation. if i am winning, i dont mind buying some insurance, cos no matter whats the results i win. (exclude 1:1 and tie)

alvin36
10-09-2008, 10:33 AM
3 out of 12 = 1 pay 4.


no lah brother... 3 our of 12 chance, is equal to 1 out of 4, is equant to : 1 pay 3.

for example, big or small, is 1 out of 2, the odds is 1 pay 1, right ?
if 1 out of 2, is 1 pay 2... you just have to bet both big and small, you sure win one share, right ??

same for head or tail, is 1 our of 2 chance, is 1 pay 1, right ??

also for roulette, there is 0 to 36, is 37 numbers, but is 1 pay 35.
by right, it should be 1 pay 36. but casino eat us 1 number, which is 2.7777% advantage to casino or tax for casino for operating the table.

rofthelper
11-09-2008, 12:06 PM
Hihi silverfox, Can i safely say that ur betting method is even bet on "following the dragon" or ping pong depends on the trend??
for me it is easy to win small amount daily but 1 loss will wipe out few days of earning. think most of the gamblers will be falling into the trap of trying to recoup losses when they ar down and i am 1 of them. So whats ur getting out strategy like?? 50% losses of ur bankroll?? i am currently on 20% of bankroll when winning and losing 60% of bankroll for exit strat.


Talking about "following the dragon", "ping pong" and "side-by-side", have you heard of people bet only, let's say first 5 games, or next 2nd liner 1st five games on player or banker only? They dun care the end-result, just player or banker all the way.

breakingfree
12-09-2008, 12:15 PM
Talking about "following the dragon", "ping pong" and "side-by-side", have you heard of people bet only, let's say first 5 games, or next 2nd liner 1st five games on player or banker only? They dun care the end-result, just player or banker all the way.

imho, all the system will work.......on certain type of shoe. There ar no system that can "kill" all type of shoes. There ar so many type of shoes, long/short streaks, ping/pong, double, mixture of all those etc. Think the important pt is choosing the right shoe for ur strats...which i am still struggling and now almost out of fund cos LW ship baccarat table mostly ar streaky shoes and my strat ar more for choppy shoes. Thats why u always see people in LW winning big cos they ar "following" the dragon but die in choppy shoe.

There is a website that claim he devised a system that can kill all shoe type but u will need to pay $500us for memebership fee to learn that. i usually think this kind of websites ar crap but the posting and advice he posted in his forum sounds logical and make good sense. Maybe when i am really desperate i will go try that haha.

silverfox@
13-09-2008, 05:45 AM
Talking about "following the dragon", "ping pong" and "side-by-side", have you heard of people bet only, let's say first 5 games, or next 2nd liner 1st five games on player or banker only? They dun care the end-result, just player or banker all the way.

Are you talking about me? No la, just joking:p I have a 'mentor' who is my good friend, who taught me a lot on this game and we do a lot of analysis.
'Follow the dragon thrend'
'ding dong thrend'
'double thrend'
all these are just thrends. There is no way for anyone to consistently hit the right thrend on every shoe. They say ding dong, then come dragon. they say dragon, a while later ding dong come. Every shoe sure have ding dong, then how?

Actually to read into this game, we will realise the common mistakes and consequences on how people lose in baccarat. Let's not talk about winning first. Because if one can stop losing, the key is here. If you lose 1 unit, you need to win 2 units, in order to have a profit of 1 unit. So the more you lose, let's say 20 units, you need to win a whopping 21 units in order to have a profit of 1 unit.

Common reasons why people lose.

-Buy player, open banker.
-buy banker, open player.
-banker streak come, they buy player to break as they think it will not persist.
-player streak come, they buy opposite to break.
-buy and hope and pray for super long dragon.

Let's understand that in ALL shoes, every hand is independent, there is no such thing as 20 bankers in a row just because it is supposed to, but it happens due to a coincidence. Yes, its coincidence.

In order to minimise your loss, you have to play only 1 side. That means to say if you buy player, wait for the right time and buy only player. Don't switch to banker. If you buy banker, wait for the right moment and only buy banker.

I only buy banker for all the shoes I play. I never touch player even if its 1:1 payout. Even if the shoe is player intensive, at the most I don't lay bets. And I wouldn't lose heavy. When you start losing heavy, your mind goes blank, and that is when the casino Starts KILLING. That is the moment, not when they slash you bit by bit.

Some people can spend 3 hours betting a total of $3,000 and probably lose $300. Each unit they lay is $25. No of bets laid per unit at $25 is 120 bets

Some people can spend 3 hours betting a total of $500 and probably win $100. Each unit they lay is $25 too. No of bets laid per unit at $25 is 20 bets.

Do you all see the difference in the above 2 scenarios?
Many people love to place bets, because its fun to place a bet, the excitement comes hoping the result goes your way. But this is how casinos make money.
So if you play the 2nd scenario, you will realise its damn f#@king boring and even you win $100, you also damn sian. But hey, the irony is you win

How many of you love FUN, or how many of you love to Win? I love to win, so I have to sacrifice the FUN. If the FUN part cannot be sacrificed, then you will have to sacrifice your WIN. The choice is yours.


So, in order to stop losing, you must take away the fun and wait for the right chance and moment and place your bet. (Don't buy player and banker, just concentrate on one) and you will stop losing like shit.

silverfox@
13-09-2008, 05:53 AM
There is a website that claim he devised a system that can kill all shoe type but u will need to pay $500us for memebership fee to learn that. i usually think this kind of websites ar crap but the posting and advice he posted in his forum sounds logical and make good sense. Maybe when i am really desperate i will go try that haha.

Like dat I also must create website and ask for money too....:D

I can only guarantee win min 4 units from 10 shoes of game play. This kind of winning statistics is considered too little for 99% gamblers. 4 units @25 each is only $100 and somemore spread over 10 shoes.
but go 10 times, play 100 shoes, will have 40 units extra capital for heavy gunnery mode. Then 4 units @ 50 each will be $200 over 10 shoes.

The moment comes when one start betting $1000 a hand. 4 units will get $4000 profit over 10 shoes. :eek:
However I said minimum.

The early part is tough.
I have no intention of collecting money. But maybe in future, I might consider teaching and the fees to be donated to charities instead.

rofthelper
17-09-2008, 05:34 AM
imho, all the system will work.......on certain type of shoe. There ar no system that can "kill" all type of shoes. There ar so many type of shoes, long/short streaks, ping/pong, double, mixture of all those etc. Think the important pt is choosing the right shoe for ur strats...which i am still struggling and now almost out of fund cos LW ship baccarat table mostly ar streaky shoes and my strat ar more for choppy shoes. Thats why u always see people in LW winning big cos they ar "following" the dragon but die in choppy shoe.

You frequent LW? I also frequent LW, but stopped since early aug. Because most of my frds all "died" on baccarat. So we rest and hibernate till Oct.

But I find that the $20 tables can in fact win money in 3 moves, but greed kills me. :(

rofthelper
17-09-2008, 05:38 AM
Are you talking about me? No la, just joking:p I have a 'mentor' who is my good friend, who taught me a lot on this game and we do a lot of analysis.

'Follow the dragon thrend'
'ding dong thrend'
'double thrend'

all these are just thrends. There is no way for anyone to consistently hit the right thrend on every shoe. They say ding dong, then come dragon. they say dragon, a while later ding dong come. Every shoe sure have ding dong, then how?

Bro, in fact I would like to know more about your moves, and you really give good insight on these table games and it's etiquette.

I have followed my frds to Macau also, seems like their tactics is to make a killing within 3 moves, and stop and back-off even you lose or win. So many people can do these.

silverfox@
18-09-2008, 06:19 PM
You frequent LW? I also frequent LW, but stopped since early aug. Because most of my frds all "died" on baccarat. So we rest and hibernate till Oct.

But I find that the $20 tables can in fact win money in 3 moves, but greed kills me. :(

Does this LW have casino war? I can't remember it after not being there for a long time. I am interested in this game recently.

The $10 baccarat tables use those shuffling machines and its different from those $20, $40, $100 tables, where 8 decks are used with every single card used once in a shoe.


Bro, in fact I would like to know more about your moves, and you really give good insight on these table games and it's etiquette.

On a baccarat table, the main plays will be on BANKER, PLAYER, TIE. Those player pair, banker pair, we don't talk about it as its side bet and not considered 'International Standards'.:p

People love to punt on either banker, player or tie. Ties are lousy statistics, so we can forget about it and just concentrate on BANKER or PLAYER.

There are 2 areas to cover, 1 PLAYER, 2 BANKER.
So if on and off, want buy player or want banker, a person is exposed to higher risks.
If a person concentrates ONLY on BANKER bets, or ONLY on PLAYER bets. He reduces his risks on losing by half.

There are very few people who play Baccarat who only concentrate on buying a certain side. These people I wouldn't say they win a lot, but I can tell you they definitely wouldn't lose heavy.
When you don't lose heavy, you have a very good chance of winning back.

I ever did a small test in the past. When I play baccarat buying Player, Banker, my losses are heavier than when I play baccarat just buying on Banker. It's easy to keep losses small and easier to win back than play both sides, lose heavy and then have to fight back which is a fairytale story.

Out of 100 baccarat gamblers, only 1 or 2 play 1 side only. Don't believe, you can go try it out. But let me warn, you can fall asleep playing this style. Because its very boring. :p

silverfox@
18-09-2008, 06:31 PM
I have followed my frds to Macau also, seems like their tactics is to make a killing within 3 moves, and stop and back-off even you lose or win. So many people can do these.

I don't believe in these 3 moves or martingale betting systems. Betting systems are fairytales and they are only possible when tables have no limits.
Even if a table has no limits, a 15 streak losing hand is possible too.

There is this good example where I saw a few of these gamblers doing this betting system
They place 1 unit. If win cont 1 unit. If lose is 1 unit. Total win 1 unit.
Lose, place 3 units. If lose is 4 units. If win is 2 units.
Lose, place 7 units. If lose is 10 units. If win is 3 units.
Lose, place 15 units. If lose is 26 units. If win is 4 units.
Lose, place 31 units. If lose is 57 units. If win is 5 units.
Lose, place 63 units. If lose is 120 units. If win is 6 units.

And its only a 6 hand losing streak.

OMG, whack 120 units to win 6 units. This kind is suicide. But hey there are couple of people doing that. And don't think its impossible. One gambling session 1 time is enough to kill their winnings from many sessions.

So to summarise, betting systems are crap, because they bleed you dry one time and that's it, all the amount of licking wounds will not help as once you wound healed, you will bleed again if you keep trying this

alvin36
19-09-2008, 05:58 AM
hi all bros :)

can anyone tell me is there any casino or cruise in singapore that we can go without a passport ? my OC is keeping an eye on my passport :(

dont tell me about illegal dens please :rolleyes:

silverfox@
19-09-2008, 07:55 AM
hi all bros :)

can anyone tell me is there any casino or cruise in singapore that we can go without a passport ? my OC is keeping an eye on my passport :(

dont tell me about illegal dens please :rolleyes:

When you go cruise such as Leisureworld, they wouldn't chop your passport, but you need to bring it along with you.

If your passport is locked in your OC's wardrobe, why not you report loss and make a new one? But make sure when you go overseas, use the new passport and not the reported loss one. :o

rofthelper
24-09-2008, 09:09 AM
Does this LW have casino war? I can't remember it after not being there for a long time. I am interested in this game recently.

Bro, LW no casino war, only your favourite playgrd Genting got. :p

I also like this game, it's so straight forward.

madmansg
24-09-2008, 09:22 AM
I use to go casino read books and eat free food. This is free loading on others who donate their money. That is the only method I know to beat the casino.

silverfox@
24-09-2008, 10:35 AM
Bro, LW no casino war, only your favourite playgrd Genting got. :p

I also like this game, it's so straight forward.

This game is very straightforward. Very simple.
The house edge is when the game ties and we have to put a stake in. If win, we still win 1 unit, but if lose we lose 2. The only exception is when 2nd tie, then we can win 2 units from dealer.

I see games such as 3 pictures, roulette, poker, most need a bit of time and maybe use "a bit of brain" to keng. Casino war is simplest and many people have this misconception that this game is useless casino money making. Which game isn't?

Look at Baccarat, Roulette, Blackjack, Pontoon, these games are the most popular in casino with the most people playing, but does that mean for these games, the people win most. Nope. Most people lose.

Look at Casino War. So quiet, tables always quite empty. Does that mean that most people lose at this table???? Not quite.:o

silverfox@
24-09-2008, 10:37 AM
I use to go casino read books and eat free food. This is free loading on others who donate their money. That is the only method I know to beat the casino.

Free food only apply when you are a star member or VIP. Free drinks is available.

So in order to enjoy the free food, you have to spend in a casino first.:o

madmansg
24-09-2008, 10:41 AM
then I have been in the gambling way before you. Not only free food but free boat ride to indonesia. Those were the heydays of gambling.

silverfox@
24-09-2008, 10:47 AM
then I have been in the gambling way before you. Not only free food but free boat ride to indonesia. Those were the heydays of gambling.

Aiyo, now you also can go on board. Free Buffet Food. Free trip considered if you change non-negotiable chips.

If you never change any single chip, got free food, free transport. No casino invite you:p

Alibaba
14-10-2008, 05:56 AM
The postings from pros here make sense and serve a wake up call for me.

2007 till now, I am somehow addicted to gambling. T_T I realise it too late. And I am stopping this habbit and hoping to turn gambling as a form of steady income rather than a 'hobby'.

Discipline is the kind word here. Before we can really be discipline, my advice is leave all gambling at once.

0939
14-10-2008, 09:05 AM
silverfox

Hi bro, I read your threads and find it very interesting that you can make a living out
of gambling. I am not a compulsive gambler and never believe I can always win. When ever I am in a casino, I do bet. I always believe in prepare to lose than to win.
When in the casino, for example, I would change to 3 $100 chips. I also prefer mini baccarat. Ist bet 1 chip, lose 2nd bet 2 chips. Thats all, If I win the 1st bet, I will walk away and cash it out for free meal etc. If I lose, I am prepare to lose never to bet again. 90 percent I got free meals.
In your theory, can you tell me how you can win 20 per cent with a bankroll of $1000.
In Baccarat is 50-50 odds. From what I see, you favour Player. Can you illustrate the step by step betting until you reach your 20 per cent mark winnings. I would glad to learn from you.

jw5
15-10-2008, 02:42 AM
The postings from pros here make sense and serve a wake up call for me.

2007 till now, I am somehow addicted to gambling. T_T I realise it too late. And I am stopping this habbit and hoping to turn gambling as a form of steady income rather than a 'hobby'.

Discipline is the kind word here. Before we can really be discipline, my advice is leave all gambling at once.
Where do you normally go to gamble?
How much have you lost?

rofthelper
16-10-2008, 01:15 AM
Aiyo, now you also can go on board. Free Buffet Food. Free trip considered if you change non-negotiable chips.

If you never change any single chip, got free food, free transport. No casino invite you:p

Bro, btw are you familiar and experienced with Texas hold 'em? Any poker tips for novice player like me?

silverfox@
17-10-2008, 11:58 AM
silverfox

Hi bro, I read your threads and find it very interesting that you can make a living out
of gambling. I am not a compulsive gambler and never believe I can always win. When ever I am in a casino, I do bet. I always believe in prepare to lose than to win.

In your theory, can you tell me how you can win 20 per cent with a bankroll of $1000.
In Baccarat is 50-50 odds. From what I see, you favour Player. Can you illustrate the step by step betting until you reach your 20 per cent mark winnings. I would glad to learn from you.

Nope I never favour Player bets.

Between Banker, Player and Tie, I never buy Player and Tie.
Playing Baccarat, people love to buy either Banker or Player, maybe plus occasionally Tie. But by doing this, one is actually exposing his risk of losing to 2 sides.

So by concentrating on buying on 1 side which is Banker, the probability of losing is halved by 50% compared to buying on Banker or Player.

In order to start winning, first must start on losing less. When one lose less, any wins can easily cover the losses. So a lot of people have the mistaken concept of going into casino thinking how to win more, when its actually on how to lose less. When you can stop the loss, the profits will come.:p

Generally, I find playing to win Baccarat is very very very boring. To make it fun, is to guess the outcome. And that normally ends in losses.

silverfox@
17-10-2008, 12:01 PM
Bro, btw are you familiar and experienced with Texas hold 'em? Any poker tips for novice player like me?

If you are novice, I am even worst. I am not God of Gambler. I only know how to play Baccarat.

This game I am not versed in it.:o

0939
18-10-2008, 01:50 AM
[QUOTE=silverfox@;67907]

When you can stop the loss, the profits will come./QUOTE]

Thanks for your reply. I can see you are a careful bettor. When you gamble, one must always prepare to lose. That is when you know when to stop. Like
going to war, you may lose your first battle but not the war.
You said" profits will come". In gambling it is always 50-50, unlike war you use strategies for your next encounter.
Can you elaborate more on this? Do you rely on luck or your instinct?
Perhaps future gamblers will be well prepared for the coming IRs in S'pore.

silverfox@
18-10-2008, 07:23 AM
Thanks for your reply. I can see you are a careful bettor. When you gamble, one must always prepare to lose. That is when you know when to stop. Like
going to war, you may lose your first battle but not the war.
You said" profits will come". In gambling it is always 50-50, unlike war you use strategies for your next encounter.
Can you elaborate more on this? Do you rely on luck or your instinct?
Perhaps future gamblers will be well prepared for the coming IRs in S'pore.

I love to use mathematics and statistics, so here goes

Let's say for instance, every gambler is supposed to win 100 units in X amount of playing time.

Why is it Gambler A can win 10 units after 5 hours of playing while Gambler B can hit losses of 20 units.

The key is in losing less.

First of all one must understand the game you are playing very well. Rather than knowing to play all games in a casino, (Roulette, Pontoon, Blackjack, Baccarat, Three Picture, Pai Gow, Carribean Stud Poker, Texas Hold'Em Poker....) Just concentrate on 1 game.

For eg Baccarat, just observe that 99% of people's betting patterns. They choice of bets is either Banker, Player, Tie. So they are exposed to 3 sides.
A person who concentrates his bets on Banker only and another who diversifies on 3 sides, actually doesn't mean the one who makes choice on Banker, Player, Tie will win more. In fact, when one does that, he exposes his risk of losing to 3 sides. The one who bets on Banker only exposes his risk of losing to 1 side.

There is no point in relying on luck. Because today you can be very lucky. Tomorrow you can be very unlucky. That is why I said one must understand the game very well.

In Baccarat, the game is played over 8 decks.
I can say 90% of people who play Baccarat as past time, do not know the conditions of when the player need to take 3rd card, when the banker need to take 3rd card. So when one is ignorant of the rules, they have a very high chance of losing.

That is why I go casino, I don't waste time playing games which I am not familiar with. I just play Baccarat. :o

rofthelper
21-10-2008, 05:59 AM
That is why I go casino, I don't waste time playing games which I am not familiar with. I just play Baccarat. :o

Understood. ;)

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(

alvin36
21-10-2008, 06:33 AM
Understood. ;)

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(

for me, i believe that all these ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... have no logical sense. You see... every game is independent. The result of past 20 games will have no impact of the 21st game. right ?

for example, after 19 straight BANKER, and the 20th game is PLAYER, there is still no way to predict the result of 21st game. It is always and will be forever the same odds for each indiviadual game.

silverfox@
21-10-2008, 06:37 AM
Understood. ;)

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(

Every result is independent. And I can only say I do card counting. A counting where when it favours banker, I will buy Banker. I don't look at the thrends, simi pingpong, what banker streak, player streak. its all bullshit and coincidence

sohbuckkong
21-10-2008, 11:25 PM
Every result is independent. A............I will buy Banker. I don't look at the thrends, simi pingpong, what banker streak, player streak. its all bullshit and coincidence

I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.

sohbuckkong
21-10-2008, 11:39 PM
for me, i believe that all these ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... have no logical sense. You see... every game is independent. The result of past 20 games will have no impact of the 21st game. right ?

for example, after 19 straight BANKER, and the 20th game is PLAYER, there is still no way to predict the result of 21st game. It is always and will be forever the same odds for each indiviadual game.

One also have to agree that our Universe are also filled with many mysteries, henceforth we cant be for sure what governs the law of probability eg, maybe the past results may have an impact on the outcome.

I have gambled for many years, ponder upon the law of chance many yrs, thought of all the different systems to play against casinos, have done research on the results of baccarat, roulette. Regarding baccarat, based on my research using 8 decks of cards, I noted that the dragons, banker or player, dont exceed more than 30 times in a row. If the past have no effect on the future outcome, then how do one explain the fact that the dragons dont exceed a certain amount of times in a row. One can say, "Oh its just a coincidence" but this is just too simple an excuse. I am not suggesting that the past have an outcome on the results but I am just saying that there are many unknowns and statistics are very real and important.

rofthelper
22-10-2008, 12:48 AM
I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.

I have to believe that, you are damn lucky at that time. ;)

silverfox@
24-10-2008, 12:29 PM
I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.

Wow, that's a very big achievement in itself.

Buying Banker only, will enable us to lose less and capitalise on winning.
My recent visit with a friend of mine, he brought $100K Ringgit capital, in 3 nights won after conversion $50K SGD just on Baccarat, and he only buy Banker selectively. My bets not as big as his, so I didn't won that much.
His one single bet is $2K Ringgit, progressively increase to $3K and then $4K. Mine is sometimes $800, $1000. As I didn't bring that much capital as him.

But basically me and him had the same school of thoughts. I do statistic calculation, he do money management on bankroll, so we combine our analysis often.

allanlee
24-10-2008, 01:48 PM
Tsk tsk tsk.... people never learn... *sigh*
I grew up in gaming dens since the day I was born till my army days (my grandfather operated one in chinatown and my mother was helping to run several others in balestier / river valley area). In all my 50+ years of life I have yet to see any gaming operator lose $$$ to this day...... that's why I always prefer to be on their side n work for them :D

longlicky
24-10-2008, 03:30 PM
great say sliverfox pal.

I knw I can always win. but i still yet to overcome my greed. Which is normal. I am not hardcore player. but i do set aside. once lose SGD 1K. i stop. just like silverfox pal. i play only barca. and my method is always double up.

to be honest. i always win. once I win. I start to place big bet, and that where i start to lose.

I will have to need more time to train myself. waiting for SG IR to open. and i will happy to make SGD 500/day. Say is always easy. To do it. one need to overcome the greed within.

my biggest win is so far 30K RM. within 2 hrs with 2000RM capital.

Any advice on my method silverfox pal.

silverfox@
24-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Tsk tsk tsk.... people never learn... *sigh*
I grew up in gaming dens since the day I was born till my army days (my grandfather operated one in chinatown and my mother was helping to run several others in balestier / river valley area). In all my 50+ years of life I have yet to see any gaming operator lose $$$ to this day...... that's why I always prefer to be on their side n work for them :D

Not trying to dispute what you said is wrong, but not going to agree with you wholeheartedly either.

First of all it depends on what kinds of games that the casino operates. I can only say in your 50+ yrs of life you have never seen any gaming operator lose $$$, I may agree, but maybe you have not seen how people have been playing professionally and winning money consistently.

silverfox@
24-10-2008, 04:22 PM
great say sliverfox pal.

I knw I can always win. but i still yet to overcome my greed. Which is normal. I am not hardcore player. but i do set aside. once lose SGD 1K. i stop. just like silverfox pal. i play only barca. and my method is always double up.

to be honest. i always win. once I win. I start to place big bet, and that where i start to lose.

I will have to need more time to train myself. waiting for SG IR to open. and i will happy to make SGD 500/day. Say is always easy. To do it. one need to overcome the greed within.

my biggest win is so far 30K RM. within 2 hrs with 2000RM capital.

Any advice on my method silverfox pal.

If you have not overcome your greed, how will you know you will always win?:p

When you always win, you start to place big bet, that is normal, Happens to 90% of all gamblers. And that is when they start to lose. Out of this 90%, 90% will lose. The remaining wins purely on luck.

If you are happy to make $500SGD/day, question is how much capital will you bring to the casino? $500? $1000, $10,000?

Double up method is sure-fire way of losing in casino. This is one of the very bad habits and the casino just love people who do that.

When I mention winning, (read few posts back), I already said many times, minimise exposure to losing. That is to just buy Banker if you wish to place a bet. Never one moment, buy Player, then you like it, buy Banker, then again buy Player again. This will confirm lose. If you win, just plain lucky. No one can do that consistently.

Next thing is bankroll. I see people bet $100 but bring $2000 to the casino, thinking can win big money. It's not even enough. When I said my friend won $50K SGD, his first night won $30K ringgit and that is when he bring 100K ringgit in with each bet at $2K. That is a comfy 50 units to start off with.
Want to bet big, bankroll must be big. Want to win big and expect to have small bankroll to manage, will be no different to commit suicide in casino.

When people see a big player bet big, they bet big too, But they never knew how much bankroll he has to finance. By the time lose 5 in a row, most would be licking wounds but the guy with the biggest bankroll can still sustain another assault.

I be honest with you, your bankroll of $1000, is enough for $20 a bet. Can you take it or not? A lot of people think it is very boring to bet so small cannot see much winnings and start to be comfortable and bet bigger when they win $100-$200. That is when the casinos kill. Most of the time, the casino don't kill, its people succumbing to greed that loses. :o

silverfox@
24-10-2008, 04:36 PM
Games I seen in Genting, since its nearest(not including cruise ship, as i don't include them as decent full-fledged casino)

1) Mini-Baccarat
2) Roulette
3) Tai-Sai
4) Three Pictures
5) Three Card Poker
6) Carribean Stud Poker
7) Pontoon (aka Blackjack but not so)
8) Pai Gow
9) Casino War
10) French Boule
11) Money Wheel and other small games


The ones which are the most popular are Roulette and Mini-Baccarat, as you see a lot of tables.

1) Roulette is a game where I feel unless the one who spins the ball is very well-trained and do 100 spins at consistent speed (hardly possible) or the wheel is biased (meaning to say after spins over number of years, the wheel is more tilted), if not it would not be possible to know the results

2) Tai-Sai is dice game. Housed edge will bring down player slowly.

3) Pontoon, another version of Blackjack. This game the basic strategy says split, double down, but real life experience I have seen when players start splitting, double down, the dealer will be able to win almost all the players. So what book says and real life is different. And the house edge increase greatly because of different people who plays differently. So its a dynamic game where a dynamic way has to be used in order to win. This one I will probably share it another day.

4) Three-Picture is getting popular, but this game is basically one of the most useless game and luck is highly dependable in order to win.

5) Baccarat is the only game where the gambler has the best odds. Because unlike games eg, Pontoon, you can only stake at Player, but Baccarat is the game where you have the choice to bet either on Banker, Player, Tie. Casinos have known to incur financial losses when big whales win big on Baccarat. However 1 big whale is equivalent to many small fishes so long run, casino still make.

I am not saying this just because I play Baccarat only. Contrary, I find Baccarat is the most boring game in casino. It has no excitement, no thrill unlike games such as Roulette, 3-picture. But the motive of going to a casino is not to find thrill like a tourist gamer. My motive is to win. So take it like a job. Most people hate their jobs and yet they still do it. Likewise, i have to do it even though I think its boring:o

silverfox@
24-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Gambling is not a get-rich-quick scheme. If it is, everyone would have gotten rich fast.

It is a get-rich-slowly scheme, just like working.

Hard to explain in words but philosophically, this is a way of life.

longlicky
24-10-2008, 11:56 PM
Gambling is not a get-rich-quick scheme. If it is, everyone would have gotten rich fast.

It is a get-rich-slowly scheme, just like working.

Hard to explain in words but philosophically, this is a way of life.

Sliverfox pal.

That I utterly agree with you. When I play barca, I place bet base on the previous result.

I truly winning everytime I start placing bet in Genting. I will base on your advice, try it out in Genting again... hmmmmm... Have yet to visit genting since 2006. By the way. I never stick one table, I always jump table. Once I hit 500-1000RM. I will jump to other table or walk around for awhile to cool myself down.

Wish me luck Sliverfox dude. Cheers

0939
25-10-2008, 01:03 AM
Silverfox
If I will place a $100 bet in baccarat, what will be my capital?
Do I change my capital to all to chips?

silverfox@
25-10-2008, 02:02 AM
Silverfox
If I will place a $100 bet in baccarat, what will be my capital?
Do I change my capital to all to chips?

If I am you, and I am placing a bet at $100 per unit, I would prepare $5000. 50 times bankroll

Sounds alot right? I know majority of gamblers do not prepare so much money to just bet $100 on a table. But its a psychological factor and also bankroll management.

As for changing all capital to chips, it depends on individual. I normally change half first.

silverfox@
25-10-2008, 02:11 AM
Sliverfox pal.

That I utterly agree with you. When I play barca, I place bet base on the previous result.

I truly winning everytime I start placing bet in Genting. I will base on your advice, try it out in Genting again... hmmmmm... Have yet to visit genting since 2006. By the way. I never stick one table, I always jump table. Once I hit 500-1000RM. I will jump to other table or walk around for awhile to cool myself down.

Wish me luck Sliverfox dude. Cheers

If you bet base on previous result meaning

Banker, then you buy banker at next hand, Player then you buy player at next hand. This system don't work.
Ever wonder why casinos like to put the past results for people to see? Because the previous result has no effect on the next result. The thrends are there not to aid people in winning money. If it does, the casino would have gone bust.


There are some with thrends such as P(Player), B(Banker), T(Tie)
P
B
PP
BBBT
PPP
B
BB
PPP
BBB
P
BB
PPP
BB
P
B
P
B
PP

As you can see, most people play with thrends trying to predict what is opening next. Illusion. It doesn't work this way.

If you have not visited Genting since 2006, then Baccarat have 'changed' a bit. Previously it was 1st 3 free games for people to see results, now its 1st 10 free games.

Another thing is try not to jump tables. Once you have sat down at a table, just sit there, regardless of whether it is opening Ding Dong Streaks, Player Streaks, Banker Streaks. Butterflying around many tables, can reduce winnings, lose faster. Also by playing at a single table and sticking to it, can gauge winnings more consistently. The speed of the game will not be so fast and losses will be minimised. When the dealer is shuffling the deck, just take a short break too. :p

sohbuckkong
25-10-2008, 07:01 AM
Yesterday, I was in Leisure world. After playing for about 7 hrs, I won a miserable $140 just playing Banker ONLY, of course my stakes varies depending on situation.

I then spent the money in geylang :))

Very strange, yesterday not much people in L.world, by 6pm, there are many empty tables.

longlicky
25-10-2008, 08:38 AM
If you bet base on previous result meaning

Banker, then you buy banker at next hand, Player then you buy player at next hand. This system don't work.
Ever wonder why casinos like to put the past results for people to see? Because the previous result has no effect on the next result. The thrends are there not to aid people in winning money. If it does, the casino would have gone bust.


There are some with thrends such as P(Player), B(Banker), T(Tie)
P
B
PP
BBBT
PPP
B
BB
PPP
BBB
P
BB
PPP
BB
P
B
P
B
PP

As you can see, most people play with thrends trying to predict what is opening next. Illusion. It doesn't work this way.

If you have not visited Genting since 2006, then Baccarat have 'changed' a bit. Previously it was 1st 3 free games for people to see results, now its 1st 10 free games.

Another thing is try not to jump tables. Once you have sat down at a table, just sit there, regardless of whether it is opening Ding Dong Streaks, Player Streaks, Banker Streaks. Butterflying around many tables, can reduce winnings, lose faster. Also by playing at a single table and sticking to it, can gauge winnings more consistently. The speed of the game will not be so fast and losses will be minimised. When the dealer is shuffling the deck, just take a short break too. :p

Right Sliverfox, to take a step further, not only i base on previous result. I am looking at some pattern too. I cant tell how I do it. but I usually get it by the 3rd hand of double up. With my capital of 2000RM, max i can go is 4 hands.

I like this thead, I wish you could share more on the method you bet. And i can apply them on the next trip i am up to Genting.

And.. you are utterly right that barca is the best game which let one win more. :)

silverfox@
25-10-2008, 04:31 PM
Yesterday, I was in Leisure world. After playing for about 7 hrs, I won a miserable $140 just playing Banker ONLY, of course my stakes varies depending on situation.

I then spent the money in geylang :))

Very strange, yesterday not much people in L.world, by 6pm, there are many empty tables.

In Genting, to finish a shoe of 60 hands takes about an hour.
In Leisureworld, to finish a shoe of 60 hands takes about 1.5 hour to the 2 hour mark, depending on whether there are many insurance bets or depending on the dealer(if trainee dealer, then will take longer time)

I don't like to go L.world, because I don't "like to fight" for ferry in and out of TMFT. I am in Genting almost every week. My friend virtually stays there these days as his rooms are free, food is free due to his high volume of plays. He has been clocking consistent $20K-$30K ringgit avg per day. The other day even saw him going out with a casino dealer. Those malaysian meimei. Quite pretty.

I don't vary my bets. If I bet $100, means I go all the way. If I go $500, I go $500. Win lose, I don't increase or decrease bets. If not, it would be very hard to track winnings, losing.

I read before your posts in SBF that you study roulette. Interesting game of chance. But I believe that Baccarat is a game where enough study is made, can increase the percentage of winning. :p

silverfox@
25-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Right Sliverfox, to take a step further, not only i base on previous result. I am looking at some pattern too. I cant tell how I do it. but I usually get it by the 3rd hand of double up. With my capital of 2000RM, max i can go is 4 hands.

I like this thead, I wish you could share more on the method you bet. And i can apply them on the next trip i am up to Genting.

And.. you are utterly right that barca is the best game which let one win more. :)

First of all, I only bet on Banker. I think this you know already. This method already reduce my losing percentage by quite a lot. Some people think we are mad when we place Banker even though Player is on a long streak. But we don't care. Because in the first place we don't look at the scorecard.

2nd, I do card counting. A lot of books say card counting don't work. Yes, the book say. But ever wonder why Banker bets have to pay 5% comm, or in mini-Bacc, B6 pays half? Me and my friend spend a year to study the results, dedicatedly spend time on every card number which is out of the deck. So in reality, it works consistently.

With your capital of 2000RM you do 4 hands max with double up. 1-2-4-8 or another method I see people play is 1-3-2-6 or the 1-3-2-4 methods. All these methods, betting progressions are just numbers and depends a lot on luck. Long run, you wouldn't make it. If you make it, just plain lucky.

We basically play to win, not to gamble. This is a big difference. Think of it as a business or a career, so capital/bankroll is very important. If I bring $1000 to a casino, I would consider placing a $20 bet at most each hand. Winning returns is a 15-30%.

0939
25-10-2008, 05:09 PM
I don't vary my bets. If I bet $100, means I go all the way. If I go $500, I go $500. Win lose, I don't increase or decrease bets. If not, it would be very hard to track winnings, losing:p

Since you only bet BANKER, what if the table produced more PLAYERS than
BANKERS. You probably lose, what will you do. Will you move to another table?
Will you sit and wait? or will you quit and rest, stay in hotel and come back again?
I have dry run on a free casino. By betting on Banker, The result is very close, eg. Just like table tennis game such as 11-10 or 12-10, and it go either way.
So how to win more like 11-6 in favor of Banker. Like Banker against the Player in a final match.
I have tried on roulette on sohbuckong's way. It works.

silverfox@
25-10-2008, 06:13 PM
Since you only bet BANKER, what if the table produced more PLAYERS than
BANKERS. You probably lose, what will you do. Will you move to another table?
Will you sit and wait? or will you quit and rest, stay in hotel and come back again?
I have dry run on a free casino. By betting on Banker, The result is very close, eg. Just like table tennis game such as 11-10 or 12-10, and it go either way.
So how to win more like 11-6 in favor of Banker. Like Banker against the Player in a final match.
I have tried on roulette on sohbuckong's way. It works.

In a shoe of 60, I don't bet every hand. Probably only 20-30 out of the 60. Of course there will be shoes where PLAYERS more than BANKERS. It happens, but statistically, BANKERS will still happen more.
I will not move to another table. But just sit and wait for the next shoe. This not only slows down the pace but also slows down the losing(if any). I normally play in a way where I spend 2-3 hours and then I walk around go back to the table play another 2-3 hours. The funny thing is when one is winning, he doesn't feel fatigue. Only when losing, even after an hour, feel like sleeping.

When you dry run on an online free casino, the result is useless as the cards are shuffled every hand. In a 8x52 deck table, card counting can enable when to buy BANKER. That is why I don't buy every hand and only when the counting favours the BANKER.

Even if the table opens more PLAYERS, in long run, BANKERS will still open more. That is why there is 5% comm on Bankers. My friend has calculated a way to detect Tie bets via card counting. :eek: Meanwhile, he doesn't bet on that but just doing manual calculations while betting on Bankers. So far the Tie bets (if he has betted) would have got him favourable profits too. But as he said no point placing so many types of bets when 1 side is enough and also losses are minimized

longlicky
25-10-2008, 11:58 PM
In a shoe of 60, I don't bet every hand. Probably only 20-30 out of the 60. Of course there will be shoes where PLAYERS more than BANKERS. It happens, but statistically, BANKERS will still happen more.
I will not move to another table. But just sit and wait for the next shoe. This not only slows down the pace but also slows down the losing(if any). I normally play in a way where I spend 2-3 hours and then I walk around go back to the table play another 2-3 hours. The funny thing is when one is winning, he doesn't feel fatigue. Only when losing, even after an hour, feel like sleeping.

When you dry run on an online free casino, the result is useless as the cards are shuffled every hand. In a 8x52 deck table, card counting can enable when to buy BANKER. That is why I don't buy every hand and only when the counting favours the BANKER.

Even if the table opens more PLAYERS, in long run, BANKERS will still open more. That is why there is 5% comm on Bankers. My friend has calculated a way to detect Tie bets via card counting. :eek: Meanwhile, he doesn't bet on that but just doing manual calculations while betting on Bankers. So far the Tie bets (if he has betted) would have got him favourable profits too. But as he said no point placing so many types of bets when 1 side is enough and also losses are minimized

Sliverfox,

Would like to ask you some advice and you had the answer for fellow 0939.

I actually guess you do card count. With the famous story of card count balckjack in stateyears back, casino had counter card count via increase deck and other method if not wrong. I am now interested to know do card count now. My question is, card usually is for blackjack. I wonder how you use that method on Barca.

May I know out of 10 times you play in genting. You will win how many time? your capital each trip? your winning?

Pardon me if I am asking too much.

Cheers. :)

silverfox@
26-10-2008, 05:17 AM
Sliverfox,

Would like to ask you some advice and you had the answer for fellow 0939.

I actually guess you do card count. With the famous story of card count balckjack in stateyears back, casino had counter card count via increase deck and other method if not wrong. I am now interested to know do card count now. My question is, card usually is for blackjack. I wonder how you use that method on Barca.

May I know out of 10 times you play in genting. You will win how many time? your capital each trip? your winning?

Pardon me if I am asking too much.

Cheers. :)

Card counting in baccarat is said not to help very much by a few gurus and even mathematicians. It was said card counting helps but not the edge due to the House having commission needed for Banker bets. But me and my friend spent a year studying baccarat and many kinds of card condition.

It was said Banker wins 50.68% of the time
Player wins 49.32% of the time.

In a 8x52 deck, as the game progress, more and more cards will come out and certain cards, certain no of cards left will favour the banker. Coupled with the statistics of banker opening more, it is not a 100% sure fire way of sure win or sure open banker, But a higher percentage of Banker opening. Which is around 60%. Higher than the 50.68% When that happens laying a bet on Banker wins out of chance of 6 out of 10 or even 7 out of 10.

Each trip to genting, I will bring around $30-40K ringgit.
Theoretically to speak, I would win about 15-30% of what I bring in a night of playing. However on some days I would win more. Some days I would breakeven. If I am on a losing start, I would play till I breakeven and then stop for the day.

If I go for 3 nights, 1st night I would snowball my winnings onto my capital and on the 2nd night, I would place higher bet base on my new capital amount.
I don't play progression betting, neither increase bets when lose. I always maintain the 50 bankroll concept.

If I bet $500, I will just bet $500 all the way, regardless of whether I am winning or losing. Even if I have lost 10 units in a row, I still put $500 and not $5000.
Gambling is not about greed but how patient you are at the table.

Alibaba
26-10-2008, 05:36 AM
I come across this interesting topic few weeks back.

The advice had serve a wake up call to me. I was addicted to gambling and had no discipline. The greed kills.

I am now trying to 1st learn the discipline way. I try that on soccer betting. So far had been ok. Like what was mentioned, the betting become boring. Every bet i stake $100. Betting over on selected league. Out of 10, i may win 6-7 or even lose.

And hey, is true that my losses was minimize. Then on another try, i bet on favourite teams. Then guess what what? I lose 3K. T_T.

A person will become desperate when they start losing more. Trying all ways to recover what they have lost. Patient and discipline helps you win as mentioned by the pros here.

By the way, Silverfox Bros, will you consider to organise a trip to genting with the members here? Reading your advice is interesting, and I am sure all bros here would like to win especially now economic is turning from bad to worst.

I know probably I am asking too much, you have been kind enough to share your experience with us. I must thank you and some other bros advice. At least now, I really lose lesser than before. Though not yet able to win but i strongly believe once I manage my discipline and greed I can be like you.

Cheers.

silverfox@
26-10-2008, 05:56 AM
By the way, Silverfox Bros, will you consider to organise a trip to genting with the members here? Reading your advice is interesting, and I am sure all bros here would like to win especially now economic is turning from bad to worst.

I know probably I am asking too much, you have been kind enough to share your experience with us. I must thank you and some other bros advice. At least now, I really lose lesser than before. Though not yet able to win but i strongly believe once I manage my discipline and greed I can be like you.

Cheers.

It would defeat the whole purpose if I do organise a trip to genting. My purpose is not to teach people how to gamble.

A gun has 2 purposes. 1 is to kill, 1 is to save. depends on who is using it and how one uses it.

Think of going to casino and not to gamble to win, but how to make nice healthy returns in a slow way, not fast. I started out with $1000 to test out on many systems. Start small and roll on winnings into capital so that can increase bets slowly.

After a long period of playing in casino, it has taught me a lot on patience. My bad temper has gone down too. Also try going to bookshops and buy books to read. A lot of gamblers don't like reading books, as it associates with losing. But reading is an interesting way of building patience and I don't see myself as a gambler.

The interesting thing is a lot of people are clueless on how to win. I have given a big headstart by giving many tips here on Baccarat. The next sequence for people who are keen to proceed further is to analyse the game by themselves. Because only then will the greed be removed in each and everyone of you and be able to win consistently in games.

If I just tell all, the greed in every individual will be present. And that time i don't think I am helping anyone of you but instead killing you guys.

longlicky
26-10-2008, 07:07 AM
It would defeat the whole purpose if I do organise a trip to genting. My purpose is not to teach people how to gamble.

A gun has 2 purposes. 1 is to kill, 1 is to save. depends on who is using it and how one uses it.

Think of going to casino and not to gamble to win, but how to make nice healthy returns in a slow way, not fast. I started out with $1000 to test out on many systems. Start small and roll on winnings into capital so that can increase bets slowly.

After a long period of playing in casino, it has taught me a lot on patience. My bad temper has gone down too. Also try going to bookshops and buy books to read. A lot of gamblers don't like reading books, as it associates with losing. But reading is an interesting way of building patience and I don't see myself as a gambler.

The interesting thing is a lot of people are clueless on how to win. I have given a big headstart by giving many tips here on Baccarat. The next sequence for people who are keen to proceed further is to analyse the game by themselves. Because only then will the greed be removed in each and everyone of you and be able to win consistently in games.

If I just tell all, the greed in every individual will be present. And that time i don't think I am helping anyone of you but instead killing you guys.

Well siad Sliverfox.

I have started to do some search about Barcarrat. Lets see how can I apply on it. card counting. I will have serach for more about it online, or can you share on how to card count Barcarrat?

Thank you very much?

sohbuckkong
26-10-2008, 03:48 PM
Well siad Sliverfox.

......or can you share on how to card count Barcarrat?

Thank you very much?
Dont waste your time card counting because the outcome is unpredictable.

However, to have a winning advantage, you need to have a clear understanding of how "law of chance work" + patience + self control + strong mind + guts + money management (stake management).

silverfox@
26-10-2008, 06:04 PM
Well siad Sliverfox.

I have started to do some search about Barcarrat. Lets see how can I apply on it. card counting. I will have serach for more about it online, or can you share on how to card count Barcarrat?

Thank you very much?

Different people have different opinions on card counting. Card counting only gives us that little bit of edge which is run down on Banker commission.

However before doing studies on Baccarat, one must understand the conditions very well.
Eg, when Player 4 points, Banker 3 points, which 3rd card that Player takes is advantage to Banker?
Or when Player 4 points and Banker 6 points, which 3rd card that Player takes is advantage or disadvantage to Banker?

8x52 card deck. Total 416 cards
Each number has 32 cards in the decks. So after 10 hands, normally left about 350+- cards after the number of cards out plus card burnt.
Even if you google all this also no use, because no one put all these on internet.
Imagine I spent months just on this alone and then months in the casino collecting live results.

You have to understand the condition or the rules in the game before thinking of a system to beat the casino. Then when you want to try out,if your minimum is $25, prepare a 50 units bankroll @ $1250 to test out. When you start winning, on your next trip see how much capital you have then allocate your min bet accordingly.

To play without emotions is the best way to fight the casino. It's like when you place $25 and whatever results come out, your heart don't beat faster, that is when you can play without worries. That is when mentally, emotionally you will not be affected and this is important as when one is emotionally affected, he will make funny decisions in a game which can never be explained and only realised after walking out of casino

sohbuckkong
27-10-2008, 02:06 AM
.....and then months in the casino collecting live results.

.....
To play without emotions is the best way to fight the casino. ......

Next time if you need statistics (live results), let me know as I can generate baccarat or roulette results using my program.

Ya! fully agreed that playing without emotions is the key to winning in casinos. After playing so many years, I also have concluded that almost all systems are ok but in almost all cases, when losing, we deviate from the original intended system and so we lost everything, and in almost many cases, when losing, we want fast recovery, thats where we dump and so we lost everything.

Mdm Tang
27-10-2008, 05:05 AM
Dear SilverFox,

Thank you for your writings...

Mdm Tang
27-10-2008, 05:07 AM
Dear SilverFox,

Can i recommended that you create a Baccarat Wed Site

, maybe call it : SilverFox Baccarat , SO THAT we who enjoy baccarat can

reach you and read your writings ?

I am sure many will support you here

silverfox@
27-10-2008, 06:14 AM
Next time if you need statistics (live results), let me know as I can generate baccarat or roulette results using my program.

Ya! fully agreed that playing without emotions is the key to winning in casinos. After playing so many years, I also have concluded that almost all systems are ok but in almost all cases, when losing, we deviate from the original intended system and so we lost everything, and in almost many cases, when losing, we want fast recovery, thats where we dump and so we lost everything.

Thanks for the offer. Yup, I think there is a program that generates live feeds. But somehow, I still prefer the live table results due to addition of number of cards burnt for each hand. Furthermore is real results

Yes, many people deviate from intended system, that's why losing. The essence in casino gambling is not so much on luck, skills, but on emotions, so when one is able to control that, at least half the battle is won.
I can only say GREED is what cause people to deviate and lose or lose back winnings. So staying emotionless is the key. That is also why my friend advised me to bring big bankroll to fight GREED. If bankroll is small, we always want to fightback fast after losses as there are not much capital left

silverfox@
27-10-2008, 06:15 AM
Dear SilverFox,

Can i recommended that you create a Baccarat Wed Site

, maybe call it : SilverFox Baccarat , SO THAT we who enjoy baccarat can

reach you and read your writings ?

I am sure many will support you here

If I have time I probably will write it, meanwhile I have to spend more time in the casino these days as I am aiming to buy a new car:o Probably early next year I should free up some time to write

sohbuckkong
27-10-2008, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the offer. Yup, I think there is a program that generates live feeds. But somehow, I still prefer the live table results due to addition of number of cards burnt for each hand. Furthermore is real results

.......t
The program is written by me, and it is written in exact replica to the way they are played in casinos. It is written in Perl.

By the way, do you play in those online casinos? Whats your opinion of online casinos.

silverfox@
27-10-2008, 03:15 PM
The program is written by me, and it is written in exact replica to the way they are played in casinos. It is written in Perl.

By the way, do you play in those online casinos? Whats your opinion of online casinos.

Oh, I thought you meant those sold online.

I don't play online casinos. Because I haven't found an online casino that plays with 8 decks. Also most of them don't have live feed. Even if there is, there is a high chance they may be cons:(

Mdm Tang
29-10-2008, 06:31 AM
Dear Silver Fox.

the expert siad that the fewer number of decks the better it is for us .

my question : a) at leisure world under the "manual" filter out the cards "the
Red Coloured " apparatus may i know how many decks they used ?

b) also , may i know how many decks they used at the "S$10 Min "
at the 7 floors where the cards are "filter out from a Black Machine"
types . This black machines keep running and never run out of cards.
does this means we are worst off at these tables ?

c) May i know what is the difference between the " red colours
apparatus " and the "black machines" . i notice we prefer the
Red Colour Apparatus ...

Thank you ...

sohbuckkong
01-11-2008, 10:31 AM
Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
:))

silverfox@
01-11-2008, 02:32 PM
Dear Silver Fox.

the expert siad that the fewer number of decks the better it is for us .

my question : a) at leisure world under the "manual" filter out the cards "the
Red Coloured " apparatus may i know how many decks they used ?

b) also , may i know how many decks they used at the "S$10 Min "
at the 7 floors where the cards are "filter out from a Black Machine"
types . This black machines keep running and never run out of cards.
does this means we are worst off at these tables ?

c) May i know what is the difference between the " red colours
apparatus " and the "black machines" . i notice we prefer the
Red Colour Apparatus ...

Thank you ...

Fewer decks is said to be better as it brings down the house edge. But this percentage is too small to be felt.

From my understanding
At Leisureworld, the red apparatus is the shoe deck where they would be putting in 8 decks of cards

b) this machine is only found @ the $10 tables. My understanding is it is 2 decks. It's a machine shuffler. At Genting, I ever seen similar machines at the 3-picture tables.

1 deck will be delivered out from machine and the 2nd deck is in the machine. When the 1st deck has almost been delivered out, the 2nd deck will be delivered out next. The 1st deck will then be put back into machine for shuffling. cycle goes on.
This kind of machine is more or less heng suay as cards are shuffled every round.

The red shoe deck is better as after around 60 hands, they will shuffle the deck of cards.

silverfox@
01-11-2008, 02:35 PM
Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
:))

I was in genting past week.
Normally I would be in positive territory then I would go makan, come back play again. Go sleep and then next day same process. On and off there would be games with more players. However, if i started out with negative territory, I would at least fight till I breakeven or turn to positive before I stop.

That is why I don't go like going to l.world and cruise ships.

silverfox@
01-11-2008, 02:42 PM
I am now trying to 1st learn the discipline way. I try that on soccer betting. So far had been ok. Like what was mentioned, the betting become boring. Every bet i stake $100. Betting over on selected league. Out of 10, i may win 6-7 or even lose.

And hey, is true that my losses was minimize. Then on another try, i bet on favourite teams. Then guess what what? I lose 3K. T_T.
.

Betting on football is like the same as casino gambling.
Regardless of match play. In a game got 1 team give ball, 1 team eat ball. Just like playing baccarat.
Choose only 1 side to bet. If eat ball, make sure regardless play against which team also eat ball. This may be a bit complex to understand, so let's talk about OVER/UNDER.

Regardless of opponent, if choose UNDER, just bet UNDER every match.
I have already past the phase of trying to predict which match goes OVER and UNDER, because one will never know. However if just bet UNDER every match that this team play, long run, wouldn't lose money.

silverfox@
01-11-2008, 02:48 PM
Why people say 10 gamble 9 lose.

Because example today one win $1000, this $1000 will not be rolled back but be spent on many other things, maybe such as celebration, karaoke, nightclub, whatever. So the next day if lose $1000, It will be back to square one? What about the charges on food, celebration, karaoke night club?

So gambling is a double edge sword. Look at it @ investment point of view or look at it @ gambling seeing quick money?

With the recent economic crisis, there are shares which I have wiped out 80% off their value. When I go casino, I don't see 80% of my capital wiped out. I see slow increase of 10% gain.

So when people say gamble in casino is bad. This I agree but not wholeheartedly. Because when the market is bad, in recession. Even the properties you hold on hand can have 20-40% wiped off in value. Plus buying properties paying in interest.

skerdog
01-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Have been reading silently this forum for a while.

Just have to salute Silverfox. To be discipline at the table is not easy.

Please post more experiences and advises for fellow brother here who would aspire to be a SilverAnimal too.

To recall an article I read many years ago, it was written by some1 who also make living visiting casino reguraly.

He has these rule of thumb:
1. Three straight loss and he's off for a break or quit for the day.

2. Increase bet after win.
ie. game #1: bet 1unit (win), then game #2: bet 2 unit (win), game #3: bet 3 unit. His max is 3 unit until loss, will go back to 1 unit. His theory is that when winning, should increase bet while loss, lower back to basic 1 unit.

3. His daily target is just small sum of $300, if I remember correctly. That article read more then 25years ago from Malaysian chinese newspaper.:eek:

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 04:21 AM
Warm Greetings to SilverFox,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

With thanks.

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 04:29 AM
Wah ...

a) 30 days of "work " @ S$300/- per day
= 30 x 300 = S$9,000/- per month ( tax-free )

b) 20 days of "work" @ S$300/- per day
= 20 x 300 = S$6,000/- per month (tax free )

c) PS : if "work" at L W then also got free drinks and makan ...

0939
02-11-2008, 05:55 AM
Yeah, but how many gamblers can think like this. They usually go for big one and as a result they are busted.

0939
02-11-2008, 06:05 AM
Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
:))

So there is no guarantee Banker will win. Would it be wise to switch to Player. Still 50-50 to me. Just for the change you would minimised your lost. Would follow the dragon be more practical if Bankers is not your day.

silverfox@
02-11-2008, 06:30 AM
So there is no guarantee Banker will win. Would it be wise to switch to Player. Still 50-50 to me. Just for the change you would minimised your lost. Would follow the dragon be more practical if Bankers is not your day.

There is no such thing as a guarantee BANKER sure win. Banker has a higher percentage of winning than PLAYER, that's all.

Even buying shares, properties, gold, commodities does not guarantee sure win. Putting money in investment portfolios, unit trusts, insurance investments also do not guarantee sure win.

The reason why casinos make money is because human beings are greedy.
Greed in the sense that on a Baccarat table, many like to put bets on PLAYER, because betting on PLAYER got no commission. So betting on PLAYER wins 1:1 rather than betting on BANKER where B6 gets only 50% payout instead of the usual 1:1
If that is the case, then those who bet long term on PLAYER will confirm plus guarantee LOSE money LONG TERM.
There are not many people who just bet solely on BANKER. Because the majority of people are greedy. They think BANKER come, they bet BANKER, but PLAYER open. They think PLAYER come, bet PLAYER, then BANKER open. It's like trying to catch the right side. Just bet on BANKER one side, no need to catch. No need to think so much too.

Following thrends are just common things that people have been doing for years on the Baccarat table. If it makes money for them, the casino would have been busted long ago.

If you know the fundamentals of Baccarat, you will realise that the result of BANKER or PLAYER is not 50:50. It is more to BANKER. Even with payout of 50% for BANKER 6 bets also tilt the results more to BANKER.

As for calculation of PLAYER bets entirely due to the no B6 condition, its pointless.
In a shoe of 60 hands,
28 banker results,
4 banker6 results,
5 tie results
23 player results

If every hand bet Banker.
Total would be 28B-23P+(4 X B6) = 7 units positive.

So if bet every hand Player, should be 7 units negative right?
Total would be 23P-28B-(4 X B6) = 9 units negative. Why 9 units instead of 7 units? Because by betting on PLAYER, even open Banker 6, its loss of 1 unit instead of 1/2 unit.

Let me reverse the result this way
In a shoe of 60 hands,
23 Banker results
4 Banker 6 results
5 tie results
28 Player results

Betting Banker every hand will result in 3 units negative
Betting on Player every hand will result in 1 unit positive only instead if 3 units positive.

Over here, I have already proven 2 things.

1) Player is a lousier bet than Banker
2) Betting on assumption of Banker, Player, and betting to what one likes, exposes the person to lose at both ends and increases his risk of depleting his winnings.

If after what I have explained here, and people who read this still want to believe in PLAYER bets, I have nothing more to say. I rest my case. :o

silverfox@
02-11-2008, 06:33 AM
Wah ...

a) 30 days of "work " @ S$300/- per day
= 30 x 300 = S$9,000/- per month ( tax-free )

b) 20 days of "work" @ S$300/- per day
= 20 x 300 = S$6,000/- per month (tax free )

c) PS : if "work" at L W then also got free drinks and makan ...

There are many Malaysians I see in Genting who told me they have been there for years. They make $100-$200RM a day and they go home.

As long as a person don't think of the Casino as a get-rich-quick place, then all will be fine.

Also think about those people who have been there for years, if it is get-rich-quick, why didn't they think of making $2000-3000RM a day instead then go home? Because the money they bring in is not in proportionate to what they going to earn.
If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 06:48 AM
There is no such thing as a guarantee BANKER sure win. Banker has a higher percentage of winning than PLAYER, that's all.

Even buying shares, properties, gold, commodities does not guarantee sure win. Putting money in investment portfolios, unit trusts, insurance investments also do not guarantee sure win.

The reason why casinos make money is because human beings are greedy.
Greed in the sense that on a Baccarat table, many like to put bets on PLAYER, because betting on PLAYER got no commission. So betting on PLAYER wins 1:1 rather than betting on BANKER where B6 gets only 50% payout instead of the usual 1:1
If that is the case, then those who bet long term on PLAYER will confirm plus guarantee LOSE money LONG TERM.
There are not many people who just bet solely on BANKER. Because the majority of people are greedy. They think BANKER come, they bet BANKER, but PLAYER open. They think PLAYER come, bet PLAYER, then BANKER open. It's like trying to catch the right side. Just bet on BANKER one side, no need to catch. No need to think so much too.

Following thrends are just common things that people have been doing for years on the Baccarat table. If it makes money for them, the casino would have been busted long ago.

If you know the fundamentals of Baccarat, you will realise that the result of BANKER or PLAYER is not 50:50. It is more to BANKER. Even with payout of 50% for BANKER 6 bets also tilt the results more to BANKER.

As for calculation of PLAYER bets entirely due to the no B6 condition, its pointless.
In a shoe of 60 hands,
28 banker results,
4 banker6 results,
5 tie results
23 player results

If every hand bet Banker.
Total would be 28B-23P+(4 X B6) = 7 units positive.

So if bet every hand Player, should be 7 units negative right?
Total would be 23P-28B-(4 X B6) = 9 units negative. Why 9 units instead of 7 units? Because by betting on PLAYER, even open Banker 6, its loss of 1 unit instead of 1/2 unit.

Let me reverse the result this way
In a shoe of 60 hands,
23 Banker results
4 Banker 6 results
5 tie results
28 Player results

Betting Banker every hand will result in 3 units negative
Betting on Player every hand will result in 1 unit positive only instead if 3 units positive.

Over here, I have already proven 2 things.

1) Player is a lousier bet than Banker
2) Betting on assumption of Banker, Player, and betting to what one likes, exposes the person to lose at both ends and increases his risk of depleting his winnings.

If after what I have explained here, and people who read this still want to believe in PLAYER bets, I have nothing more to say. I rest my case. :o


Sorry was away. I am in mid thirties. Wife and children nil. I don't have any full time job. My approx net worth, never really count.

I can only say that when you go casinos regularly, you get to see regular faces. Not all regulars are winning regularly. You see today they win 30K, tomorrow 50K, next week, you can see them lose 80K easily in a night. The tables, chairs, croupier salaries are all courtesy from them. You see them good, but they could have lost millions already.

What is the purpose of winning money from casinos? More money to spend? In a way it is neither wrong nor correct. Imagine today you win 1000, so you feel happy, and tomorrow you win 2000, so you spend some money on gifts, food, the next week you lose 3000. How?

I am no hero, just putting my philosophies to real life issues. People in general have no good impressions of people who gamble in casinos. Occasion playing is ok to most, just like people buying weekly 4Ds. But when high stakes involved, people generally think you are an addict.

I have no heroes in casinos. The only idol I have is the casino owner...just joking.....Coming to the part of winning money from casinos, what is the next intention? Initial playing 'career' involves losing. Let's face it, you don't lose, you don't learn, and the cost of the school fees can be enormous. But how many of you would step into a casino to observe the behaviour of gamblers? What is so good of observing these people?

You get to see the greedness of human, disgusting characteristics of mankind, these are things which one should observe and not to follow. Look at how some people win. It is not easy to spot a regular winner.

The basic character of a winner,
Calmness. (If you are calm, you basically win half the war)
Gambling Ethics
- Look at how some gamblers (proud, egoistics) showing off their ugly traits when they win a bit of money or losing their temper when they lose or pushing the blame on other gamblers, croupiers for their losing streaks.

If you can be very calm, you can be a winner in a casino. Never let frustrations get to your head. Once you scold the first vulgar language even in your heart, better get out of the casino fast because that is the 1st indicator of going to lose. The day when you can be calm at all times, one will understand how to win regularly.

Never let your emotions rule you. Never let other gamblers' emotions rule you.

There you see, I haven't got into the part on how to gamble yet. Basically there is no secret trick. Just how you calm your nerves. Easier said than done. Have time, go bookshops, grab books on philosophies and read them. I spend loads of time reading, people say read book in chinese means lose. I dare to say, Don't read, sure lose. The part on reading is to cultivate patience and calmness especially for those who don't meditate. I do meditate at times and read. At the same time gain knowledge.

In no time, you can play in casinos regularly and win regularly.


Thank You SilverFox

skerdog
02-11-2008, 06:51 AM
If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.

True, it is proportionate but also once the amount is bigger, the psychology is different already.

If you have $2000 and bet $20 per bet and having $200000 and bet $2000 per bet, I think the mentality also a bit different. Also I think depends your bank account got how much $$$. If you have a few millions in bank, then $2000 bet probably will feel like $20 bet. But if that is your last $200000, then it would be probably be quite nervous.

So I think having enough capital at table is important, it is also important to have the feeling that you are not betting your last capital before you become a bankrupt.

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 11:35 AM
There are many Malaysians I see in Genting who told me they have been there for years. They make $100-$200RM a day and they go home.

As long as a person don't think of the Casino as a get-rich-quick place, then all will be fine.

Also think about those people who have been there for years, if it is get-rich-quick, why didn't they think of making $2000-3000RM a day instead then go home? Because the money they bring in is not in proportionate to what they going to earn.
If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.


Hi SilverFox,

Sorry to bother you again ...

Please share your thoughts on why the house will change dealer at
the bacarat table when the house is losing due to a "run of on players " or
a run of bankers ( meaning a "leng" is on ) ...

May i know why casino ( eg : LW ) do this ?

They are "kiasu " or what ? why ?

Thank you for your answers

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 12:01 PM
Dedicated to SilverFox :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_q-pOZxlwQ&feature=related

silverfox@
02-11-2008, 12:50 PM
Hi SilverFox,

Sorry to bother you again ...

Please share your thoughts on why the house will change dealer at
the bacarat table when the house is losing due to a "run of on players " or
a run of bankers ( meaning a "leng" is on ) ...

May i know why casino ( eg : LW ) do this ?



I don't really know of this. But dealers do change tables after an hour plus as they need to take a break. Dealers have to be alert or else may draw the wrong card. Maybe its a way of having a fresh dealer so that tiredness don't kick in.

silverfox@
02-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Dedicated to SilverFox :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_q-pOZxlwQ&feature=related

haha, I am not in this league of gamblers.

There are various ways to collaborate to cheat in a casino, but what's the point?

I know for roulette tables, there are players who collaborate with the dealers

For carribean stud poker, its also possible, if you know which cards the other players are having and then you roughly know what cards the dealer has.

But this kind of tricks will not last one long in a casino. :o

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Thanks for the reminder...

i was too fast to jump the gun...

Hmm... i will monitor the dealer time slot next visit...

Bravo.. well said.

Mdm Tang
02-11-2008, 12:59 PM
i like the theme song ...

i play the song on my handphone whenever i go LW ...

it give me a "high" and boost my confidence... haha !

sohbuckkong
02-11-2008, 01:28 PM
So there is no guarantee Banker will win. Would it be wise to switch to Player. Still 50-50 to me. Just for the change you would minimised your lost. Would follow the dragon be more practical if Bankers is not your day.
If one is in favour of playing player, then I can guarantee that he/she will surely lose in the long run.

The only way to win is to concentrate more on banker and if theres more player, then it is just bad luck, similar to having 8, but your opponent open 9.

silverfox@
02-11-2008, 01:37 PM
If one is in favour of playing player, then I can guarantee that he/she will surely lose in the long run.

The only way to win is to concentrate more on banker and if theres more player, then it is just bad luck, similar to having 8, but your opponent open 9.

Many people tell me they like betting on PLAYER because pay full, no need commission.
It's GREED, that's why.

Alibaba
02-11-2008, 05:21 PM
Just back from Genting.

Would like to share with all what i did.

1st play 60 hands. Each hand $100 stake.

I bet Banker throughout.

I won 6 hands.

2nd play 60 hands.

I bet Player throughout.

I won 3 hands.

3rd play more than 60 hands. (reason: i am in negative when 60 hands is up)

I bet Banker throughout.

I won 4 hands than take a break.

By now i got positive 13 hands.

4th play.

I bet random base on 'feeling'. After 27 hands, i lost 10 hands. I stopped after that.

5th play 60 hands.

I bet banker.

Final result i won 4 hands.

*My calculation is basing on the number of hands I won not the actual amount. Overall I am positive this trip and like what silverfox had mentioned, I had limit my lost.

Probably Silverfox bros can analysis my case study and help us improve on the playing. :)

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 02:20 AM
hi alibaba,

may i know was your table using the manual card shufflerer ?

can i start my 60 ( 30 hands ) in the middle of the games ?

Then how to count 60 hands ?

You see at LW most table are likely to be in progress... cannot wait for
the start of a new 60 hands games...

guide me how to count ( if it is possible ) if i join a table already hald way in progress
( ie already palyed 30 to 30 hands ) how ... ?

will i still get the same results if i play only Banker ?

Please guide.... thks

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 05:58 AM
Greed ? or Addiction ? :

Gambling addict sues casino after $1.37b spree

CANBERRA: An Australian gambler who lost millions in an A$1.4 billion (S$1.37 billion) gaming spree is suing one of the country's largest casinos, claiming he was targeted by managers despite a known gambling addiction.
Gambling addict Harry Kakavas is suing Crown Casino in Melbourne for A$50 million in damages after a mammoth 14-month baccarat binge in which he lost A$37 million.

At the time last year, the property developer had been barred from every casino in Australia. Supreme Court documents said Mr Kakavas wore a concealed recorder that captured Crown managers allegedly attempting to lure him back to its riverside baccarat tables.

Australian billionaire James Packer owns Crown. Chief executive Rowen Craigie and chief operating officer John Williams face accusations of unconscionable conduct.

If found guilty, Crown could be judged to have breached Australia's Trade Practices Act, state gambling regulations and special laws covering its operation.

REUTERS

silverfox@
03-11-2008, 07:13 AM
Just back from Genting.

Would like to share with all what i did.

Final result i won 4 hands.

*My calculation is basing on the number of hands I won not the actual amount. Overall I am positive this trip and like what silverfox had mentioned, I had limit my lost.

Probably Silverfox bros can analysis my case study and help us improve on the playing. :)

1st shoe +6 units (Banker Only)
2nd shoe +3 units (Player Only)
3rd shoe +4 units (Banker Only)
4th shoe -10 units (Banker/Player)
5th shoe +1 unit (Banker Only)

Total you won 4 units from 5 shoes.

If on your 2nd shoe, you bet Banker throughout, you would have lost around 4-5 units.
Your 4th shoe, I can't determine how much you would have won or lost, but its a very common fact that betting on either side in a game will expose a person to lose more than the usual.

Let me explain why Player bets are lousy again.
If 1st shoe, 2nd shoe, 3rd shoe, 5th shoe, just bet on Player alone,
it would be as follow
1st shoe -7 to -8 units
2nd shoe +3 units
3rd shoe -5 to -6 units
5th shoe -2 to -3 units
(When open Banker 6, laying a bet on Player is lose full)
So this is a very good example why Player bets are lousy

Going to a casino got 2 kind of people. One is play to win. One is play for shiok. So unless the person play for the shiokness, then I got nothing much to say also too.
So you should avoid betting random because in order for you to lose 10 units in a shoe, your result out of 27 hands(27 hands only you lost 10 units) would be
around
2 TIE
10 Banker
15 Player
(Even if you bet Banker every hand, you wouldn't die so much units)
That is why I explained, many people blamed the bad streaks or whatever when they lost on Baccarat Table, but they never understood why they lost.

Saying just to bet alone on Banker is not easy. Not many people are convinced or even have the patience to do like this. That is why CASINOS love these people. And also why there are many Baccarat tables in casinos.

Buying Banker is not sure win or guarantee win, but long run, you will not die in the casino like many others. By reducing a person's losing percentage to the minimum, he is already better off than most others.

However I am not advocating to buy Banker every bet.
There is another style of idiot's guide to Baccarat which I see can be tested only with Junket commission. Junkets pay 1% rolling or some even 1.2%. I ever had offer to go overseas where junket offer me 1.5% rolling

Bet every game Banker, long run, with commission, would be able to earn a decent living

silverfox@
03-11-2008, 07:15 AM
Greed ? or Addiction ? :

Gambling addict sues casino after $1.37b spree

CANBERRA: An Australian gambler who lost millions in an A$1.4 billion (S$1.37 billion) gaming spree is suing one of the country's largest casinos, claiming he was targeted by managers despite a known gambling addiction.
Gambling addict Harry Kakavas is suing Crown Casino in Melbourne for A$50 million in damages after a mammoth 14-month baccarat binge in which he lost A$37 million.

At the time last year, the property developer had been barred from every casino in Australia. Supreme Court documents said Mr Kakavas wore a concealed recorder that captured Crown managers allegedly attempting to lure him back to its riverside baccarat tables.

Australian billionaire James Packer owns Crown. Chief executive Rowen Craigie and chief operating officer John Williams face accusations of unconscionable conduct.

If found guilty, Crown could be judged to have breached Australia's Trade Practices Act, state gambling regulations and special laws covering its operation.

REUTERS

He need a psychologist report to state that he has a uncontrollable gambling addiction. And the casino if they did know of his addiction and yet still allow him, they would have breached the law.

silverfox@
03-11-2008, 07:16 AM
hi alibaba,

may i know was your table using the manual card shufflerer ?

can i start my 60 ( 30 hands ) in the middle of the games ?

Then how to count 60 hands ?

You see at LW most table are likely to be in progress... cannot wait for
the start of a new 60 hands games...

guide me how to count ( if it is possible ) if i join a table already hald way in progress
( ie already palyed 30 to 30 hands ) how ... ?

will i still get the same results if i play only Banker ?

Please guide.... thks

Genting , all are manual card shuffler.

Why cannot wait for start of new 60 hands? It's a matter of discipline, thats all.
At LW, personally I have waited for at least 30 minutes before I see a new table starting its game

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 09:41 AM
Hi SilverFox

Thanks for your thoughts and efforts...

Appreciate

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 11:03 AM
He is suing Crown Casino for the $30 million he lost there. But who is Harry Kakavas and how did he become a high roller?


Photo: John Woudstra

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AdvertisementIf gambling addict and property developer Harry Kakavas is ever tempted back to Crown Casino, he is unlikely to receive the red-carpet treatment.

The Gold Coast businessman has launched legal proceedings against the gaming venue, claiming they offered him a private jet, a penthouse suite and boxes of cash to entice him back to the baccarat table, despite a self-imposed ban from every major casino in Australia.

The chronic gambler alleges that Crown lured him into losing $30 million, and he is now suing for negligence, unconscionable conduct and breaches of the Casino Control Act. Sources close to Kakavas told The Age that he was unlikely to settle for anything less than $100 million (including damages and other costs) and did not expect the matter to proceed to court.

"These bastards deliberately went after him. They knew he had a weakness and they seduced him. This is a volcano that is going to erupt and it could jeopardise Crown's gaming licence," the source said. "That's why I doubt it will go to court."

The comments could be part of a high-stake bluff to force an opponent's hand, but Crown's management maintained a poker face yesterday. Crown Casino spokesman Gary O'Neil refused to comment, while other senior managers were unavailable for comment.

Several business associates of Kakavas would not speak on the record either, but described him as a nice bloke, an astute businessman with a strong work ethic and a nose for a deal.

Born in Carlton but barracking for Collingwood, he has been called Harry "Hedges" Kakavas because of an extraordinary run of sales on the Gold Coast's bluechip Hedges Avenue, which has been dubbed "Millionaire's Row".

Kakavas grew up in Melbourne's eastern suburbs. After a brief foray studying economics at LaTrobe University, he started his real estate career in 1986 selling residential property. A former teacher at Murrumbeena High School had become a real estate agent and had encouraged Kakavas to do the same.

After several years with commercial property agencies Baillieu Knight Frank and Colliers Jardine, the ambitious agent made his first foray into residential development and built three apartments on his parents' South Caulfield property. The project earned him almost $400,000 and he turned over several other profitable developments in quick succession.

In 2001, Kakavas headed to Surfers Paradise as the Queensland property market was about to hit its straps. He bought two waterfront properties in Hedges Avenue for $4 million, spent another $4 million building a three-storey Mediterranean- style mansion and set a state record when he sold it for $18 million. A month later he sold a nearby property for $15 million. A Gold Coast agent says Kakavas was solely responsible for doubling house prices in Hedges Avenue and helped establish it as Queensland's premier residential locale.

He also set up a successful prestige real estate agency, which turned over more than $150,000 a week.

When the market peaked in 2004, business associates estimate Kakavas' personal wealth at more than $60 million. But gambling, particularly baccarat, was always his Achilles heel and less than three years later, Kakavas has lost most of his vast fortune. A close friend recalls him winning $70,000 on the Caulfield Cup and flying to Sydney's Star City Casino to ride his luck. Kakavas says his love of the punt began with the occasional bet on the footy, but escalated quickly.

He was issued with the exclusive Crown Casino Mahogany Room card and at the height of his addiction was laying down up to $300,000 each hand. He became one of Crown Casino's most valued customers, often referred to as "whales" by casino operators.

He soon realised he was a "problem gambler ...unable to control his urge to gamble".

Claiming to have acted on Crown's recommendation to apply for an order excluding him from the casino in November 1995, Kakavas later had sought to have his "withdrawal of licence" revoked, but Crown advised him that it would continue indefinitely.

Having begun to make his millions on the Gold Coast, Kakavas gambled overseas, including Las Vegas.

He claimed Crown's chief operating officer, John Williams, had "devised a scheme" designed to lure Kakavas back to the Southbank gambling venue. The scheme instructed Crown employees to "do what was necessary".

Between October 2004 and January 2005, it is alleged Crown offered various inducements, including inviting Kakavas and his friends to the Australian Open tennis in January 2005, with food, drink and accommodation during the two-week tournament.

They had also allegedly offered to assist Kakavas' return to Crown by drafting a letter, purportedly from him to the casino's general manager of community affairs calling for a lifting of his self-imposed ban. It is alleged Crown also instructed Kakavas to get a letter from a doctor - giving him "the all clear to gamble" - that would further support his bid to return to the casino. A Queensland psychologist later said she was unable to form any opinion as to Kakavas' suitability to return.

The man alleged to have given Kakavas the letter, Crown's interstate marketing manager, Richard Doggert, said to him: "What do we have to do to get you to come back to Crown?"

The high roller has other skeletons and was accused of armed robbery in 1998 following a botched hold-up of the Shark Fin restaurant in Bourke Street. Within hours of the robbery, it was claimed that Kakavas and former soccer star Con Boutsianis flew to Sydney and squandered $24,000 in a 90-minute betting binge at Star City Casino. While Kakavas was acquitted of the charges, his QC described him as a "talented conman ... and a hopeless gambler".

But his style is nonetheless flamboyant. After his father, a retired fencing contractor, suffered a heart attack 18 months ago, Kakavas took out a full-page advertisement in the Gold Coast Bulletin to thank the cardiology surgeon, Guy Wright-Smith, referring to him as a "lifesaver". Kakavas yesterday told The Age: "(I am) resilient and relentless and will not stop until justice is served."

He also set up a successful prestige real estate agency, which turned over more than $150,000 a week.

When the market peaked in 2004, business associates estimate Kakavas' personal wealth at more than $60 million. But gambling, particularly baccarat, was always his Achilles heel and less than three years later, Kakavas has lost most of his vast fortune. A close friend recalls him winning $70,000 on the Caulfield Cup and flying to Sydney's Star City Casino to ride his luck. Kakavas says his love of the punt began with the occasional bet on the footy, but escalated quickly.

He was issued with the exclusive Crown Casino Mahogany Room card and at the height of his addiction was laying down up to $300,000 each hand. He became one of Crown Casino's most valued customers, often referred to as "whales" by casino operators.

He soon realised he was a "problem gambler ...unable to control his urge to gamble".

Claiming to have acted on Crown's recommendation to apply for an order excluding him from the casino in November 1995, Kakavas later had sought to have his "withdrawal of licence" revoked, but Crown advised him that it would continue indefinitely.

Having begun to make his millions on the Gold Coast, Kakavas gambled overseas, including Las Vegas.

He claimed Crown's chief operating officer, John Williams, had "devised a scheme" designed to lure Kakavas back to the Southbank gambling venue. The scheme instructed Crown employees to "do what was necessary".

Between October 2004 and January 2005, it is alleged Crown offered various inducements, including inviting Kakavas and his friends to the Australian Open tennis in January 2005, with food, drink and accommodation during the two-week tournament.

They had also allegedly offered to assist Kakavas' return to Crown by drafting a letter, purportedly from him to the casino's general manager of community affairs calling for a lifting of his self-imposed ban. It is alleged Crown also instructed Kakavas to get a letter from a doctor - giving him "the all clear to gamble" - that would further support his bid to return to the casino. A Queensland psychologist later said she was unable to form any opinion as to Kakavas' suitability to return.

The man alleged to have given Kakavas the letter, Crown's interstate marketing manager, Richard Doggert, said to him: "What do we have to do to get you to come back to Crown?"

The high roller has other skeletons and was accused of armed robbery in 1998 following a botched hold-up of the Shark Fin restaurant in Bourke Street. Within hours of the robbery, it was claimed that Kakavas and former soccer star Con Boutsianis flew to Sydney and squandered $24,000 in a 90-minute betting binge at Star City Casino. While Kakavas was acquitted of the charges, his QC described him as a "talented conman ... and a hopeless gambler".

But his style is nonetheless flamboyant. After his father, a retired fencing contractor, suffered a heart attack 18 months ago, Kakavas took out a full-page advertisement in the Gold Coast Bulletin to thank the cardiology surgeon, Guy Wright-Smith, referring to him as a "lifesaver". Kakavas yesterday told The Age: "(I am) resilient and relentless and will not stop until justice is served."

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 02:59 PM
An Aussie gambler is suing Crown Casino for losses incurred in over an year.

Harry Kakavas, 40-year-old Australian gambler and a millionaire property developer, is suing Crown Casino and its executive John Williams for $26 million USD he allegedly lost at the baccarat table in a 14-month gambling spree at the casino. According to Kakavas, he asked the Crown Casino management to ban him from gambling at the casino in 1994 after previous losses. But after the casino found out that the high-roller was flying from Australia to Las Vegas to gamble, they lured him back in 2005 with private jet flights, free money and promised Kakavas up to 20% back on his losses at the casino.

A lawyer for the casino admitted that Harry Kakavas was offered free transportation and gifts to come back to the Crown Casino, despite the self-imposed ban ten years earlier. But the casino claims that Kakavas was not forced to accept any of the gifts and should be responsible for his own actions. Crown Casino has filed an application to strike out Kakavas' $26 million law suit against the casino.

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:12 PM
Where to play baccarat...

Terrestrially, every casino worth its salt offers baccarat. As the game of choice for many high rollers, Baccarat is typically offered in high roller rooms of the bigger casinos, where bet maximums can be astronomical and the fortunes of a casino influenced at the hand of one whale (high roller). Set out below are some baccarat stories from well known land based casinos.



Star City Casino, Sydney Australia
(Excerpts from a story in The Age newspaper, May 2001)

If you're a baccarat high roller you might want to give Sydney's Star City Casino a miss. They recently cut their losing commission rate to high rollers and gamblers seduced into their Endeavour Room. The casino used to offer the standard 60% payback commission for players who lost $1million or more, but now offer only 30%. Crown in Melbourne and Jupiters in Queensland still operate at the 60 per cent rate.

The reason for this substantial cut in high roller concessions, is the fact that they were recently cleaned up at their Baccarat tables by a whale who went on a big wining streak and took just under $10,000,000 from the casino in less than a month, before vowing never to return after a dispute with the casino. The casino has since been looking to recoup losses, and it looks like other high rollers will have to wear the bill.

The whale in question was identified as Mo Chan, who according to insiders bet as much as $300,000 to $500,000 on per hand. The action has taken place in the private rooms, so no one knows exactly, but its scale has leaked to other gamblers who frequent Crown's Mahogany Room in Melbourne.

Mr Chan was invited into Star City's lavish Endeavour Room, and later one of their three VVIP" rooms within the Endeavour Room when his propensity to bet was displayed. It was here that his amazing winning streak took place, until he arrived one day to continue play and found that the casino had changed the rules of play. According to insiders, the casino cut its margin of loss on his bets. No matter how big the individual bets, the gap between the bank and the player - the casino's margin for loss - had been fixed for Mr Chan's play at $150,000. Suddenly the casino was only prepared to lose $100,000 a play.

It was then that the outraged Chinese-born player stormed out of the casino, vowing never to return, and took his custom to the equally lavish Mahogany Room of Melbourne's Crown Casino.

"I couldn't understand it," said one insider. "If he had $10 million of my money and was playing a game of pure luck I would want him to stay so that I could get it back."

So, thanks to Mr Chan's incredible streak, and Star City Management's stupidity, high rollers will be inclined now to give this casino a miss when it comes to playing Baccarat.



Bellagio, Las Vegas Nevada
(Excerpts from a story in USAToday, April 2002)

During one of his famous gambling binges in Las Vegas, Australian media mogul Kerry Packer, lost $20 million at the Bellagio Vegas in the Summer of 2001, playing his game of choice...you guessed it, Baccarat.

I can only say that the ambience and level of service around those high roller tables at Bellagio must be nothing short of Nirvana-esc, if Mr Packer was happy to hand over that much cash and return for more.

Rumour also has it that Mr Packers appetite for a bet still wasn't fully satisfied. During a discussion with a fellow high roller from Texas, Packer was overheard enquiring as to the Texan's net worth. When the Texan smugly replied "$60 million son", Packer politely asked him if he would like to wager on the toss of a coin for that exact amount. Needless to say the Texan declined the bet after picking his jaw up from off the floor.

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:16 PM
Like to know Baccarat strategy? Simple, don't bet on a tie.

Baccarat is a really simple game, in which there are three possible outcomes of a deal. And not surprisingly, sound Baccarat playing strategy is also pretty straight forward, which begs the question, why do so many players sit at the table taking notes?

It is common for players to record the outcomes of prior baccarat deals on a scorecard. Players look for patterns in the game and bet based on emerging patterns and their chosen bet strategy. Casinos do not discourage the use of these scorecards for good reason. This strategy does not assist at all in helping the player improve their chances of winning. The outcome of prior hands in baccarat will not help at all in determining the outcome of future hands. While card counting will definitely improve returns in Blackjack, it will do nothing for you in Baccarat, so put your scorecard and pencil away and play the game on its merits.

Sound Baccarat strategy is all about choosing the low house edge bets, and this is easy. Mathematical house edges in Baccarat, by bet type, are as follows:



8 deck shoe:
6 deck shoe:
Single deck:

house edge on 'player' bet: 1.06%
house edge on 'player' bet: 1.06%
house edge on 'player' bet: 1.01%

house edge on 'banker' bet:1.24%
house edge on 'banker' bet:1.24%
house edge on 'banker' bet:1.29%

house edge on tie bet: 14.36%
house edge on tie bet: 14.44%
house edge on tie bet: 15.57%


*Assuming tie bet pays 8 to 1



Now based on the information in the above table, it does not take Einstein to work out that to maximise your returns you should bet on the banker every hand. This doesn't exactly make for an exciting game, but that's Baccarat for you. If you do want to mix things up a bit, it wouldn't hurt to place the odd player bet. Just steer well clear of the tie or standoff bet.

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:18 PM
Know a good baccarat system?

Betting systems are funny things. I often wonder why so called gambling experts spend so much time and effort trying to make money by selling their systems, rather than simply using their 'guaranteed to work' systems to win buckets and buckets of money. Well the answer to this is simple of course...their systems are flawed. If they weren't, do you think they'd actually be wasting time selling the system. I wouldn't...I'd buy a house in Las Vegas, keep the system to myself and make a whole lot of money.

Of course the other strong evidence supporting the fact that sure-fired systems do not exist, is the fact that casinos are still making a bunch of money across all their games, including baccarat.

So don't be duped into buying any systems for any games, especially baccarat, where sound betting strategy is very straight forward.

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:20 PM
Want to know where and how it all started?



Early beginnings…

The origins of the game of Baccarat date back to as early as the 15th century, and not surprising, there are some debates as to its exact birth place and inventor. It is universally agreed however, that the game was first invented in either France or Italy. It's difficult to trace the precise origin of this game mainly because slight variations of it name are used in both countries, each wanting to claim it as their own. Wherever it was invented, baccara (Italian) or baccarat (French) both translate to “zero” in English – so called because the tens and face cards in Baccarat, which comprise the majority of the deck, are all worth zero.

According to many, the game was first invented in Italy by gambler Felix Falguiere in the middle-ages. Falguiere based his game on an old Etruscan ritual of the nine gods, who prayed to a blonde virgin on their tiptoes waiting for her to throw a nine-sided die. The result of the toss decided her fate. If she threw an 8 or 9, she would become the priestess; if she threw a 6 or 7, she would be banned from any further religious activities. If she threw any number less than 6, she would have to walk into the sea. Good thing the stakes have evolved since then!

Falguiere’s early version of the game is believed to have been played with a deck of Tarot cards and introduced to France around 1490 A.D., where it remained an exclusive game to the French nobility for some time before becoming a casino game, where it evolved into the games of European Baccarat and 'chemin de fer' that are played today.



Introduction in America…

Baccarat’s introduction to America came first in it’s pure European forms, and was not exactly a hit. Chemin de fer and European baccarat were both brought to America and introduced at the racetrack and spa at Saratoga and the ritzy Palm Beach resort in 1911. Each was met with indifference from the nouveau riche and soon lapsed in popularity. While both games enjoy very popular status in Europe and Asia, it wasn’t until a variation of these games was brought to America that it really took off.

‘American Baccarat’, in which the House provides the financial backing for the game owes its immediate lineage to George Raft’s Capri Casino in Havana, Cuba dating from pre-Castro days. It is thought that this form of the game originated in England and spread to South America before it made its way to the United States in the late 1950s. Its originator Tommy Renzoni, stated in his (out-of-print) book, Renzoni on Baccarat, that Punto-Banco as it was called in Cuba, was brought to Las Vegas by him in the late 1950s, as Castro was about to take possession of the island. Renzoni wrote that his game owed it roots to European chemin de fer via Argentina. He claimed that the night of the game’s first modern American play, the Sands lost $250,000.



The rest of the world…

Baccarat has a history overseas too, which is evidenced by its popularity among the Asian population who visit Las Vegas each year. In casinos based in the Portuguese territory of Macao, near Hong Kong, the popularity of baccarat is unrivalled. Unlike the heavily ordered and systematic American casinos, these Portuguese tables often allow multiple players to bet on a single spot at the same time, while the expert dealers mentally keep track of each players commission on winning bank bets.

All throughout its history the game remained a pleasant invitation to high rollers and individuals with high social standings. Not requiring much thought or ability, baccarat forced the players to leave everything to chance

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Strategy
The first thing a casino player asks themselves when stepping up to a game is "how do I improve my odds?" The answer in Baccarat is easy: you don't. Other than avoiding the Tie bet there's nothing you can do.

What about card counting you ask? After all, everyone seems to do it on TV. Save yourself the trouble because it's a facade. Statistical analysis has shown that card counting in Baccarat is totally ineffective until the game hits the bottom of the shoe and even then it's a miniscule advantage. It basically boils down to paying yourself $10 an hour for risking $1,000,000. You're better off getting a squeegee and washing people's windows for spare change

Mdm Tang
03-11-2008, 04:28 PM
Often sought though rarely found, a good baccarat strategy is usually considered a myth among gamblers. I happen to disagree. What I DO agree with is the fact that any strategy that promotes itself as a system is most likely full of false, misleading, and useless information. There are, however, many basic baccarat strategy moves one can make to up their chances of winning.

A predominant aspect of the baccarat games played at the local casino is the scorecard. It looks like everyone at the table is keeping track of the outcome on each hand, and that's exactly what they're doing. These people are trying to spot patterns and then change their own betting patterns in order to take advantage of a streak. The casinos encourage this behavior simply because they know it has no bearing on the outcome of the game. Chasing patterns in baccarat is as pointless as it is in roulette. One hand has no bearing on the next, and is never influenced by the preceding hands. This is a simple trap that gamblers all around the world fall into at one time or another. If you were betting on the flip of a coin, and it landed heads up 9 times in a row, part of your brain will inevitably yell out to you that a tails is imminent, and it's likely that the 10th flip will land tails up. This reasoning is spurious; the chance of the coin landing tails up on the 10th flip is exactly 50%, just as it was the first nine times. Any baccarat strategy that makes you change your bets based on previous hands is useless and should be completely disregarded.

So, although you will see almost everyone around you at the baccarat table marking down numbers on casino provided cards, you should consider it personal entertainment and think nothing more of it. Don't be fooled into participating, it's just another way for the casino to distract you from the important parts of the game-play. Seriously, would Las Vegas casinos provide baccarat players with a pencil and a chart if they were really worth anything?



Also:

Baccarat Strategy
Using right strategy for some casino games can be very advantageous to the player. The best example is a game of blackjack, of course. When you know the basic strategy and understand what is card counting, you can even override the negative expectation and have an edge over the casino about 1%!

Card counting is not for Video Poker, but still you can be in very good position when you possess the proper Video Poker strategy.

Unfortunately, there is no strategy that works for Baccarat as the player has not many options - rules are automatic and after you have made a bet you can only hope on your luck. Any baccarat system that is based on the previous hands (and the bets you have made, if any, on those hands) is useless and should be completely disregarded.

But as for any other casino game there is always room for improvement and if you want to establish an effective baccarat strategy there is a few things to consider

Don't bet on "Tie"
Playing Baccarat you have only a choice of three bets, but it does not mean you don't have any options at all.

Betting on the Player Hand - the house edge is 1.29%.


Betting on the Bank Hand - the house edge is 1.01%.


Betting on a Tie Hand - the house edge is 15.75%.
The house edge numbers mean that Banker hand wins more often in the long run. Even after paying a 5% commission it is still a slightly better proposition than betting on "Player hand". So, there is only one good bet to make - Bank Hand.

As for betting on Tie hand the casino will pay nine for one odds. Unfortunately, the casino advantage on this bet is over 15%. So, don't bet on "Tie".

Well, it may be a very boring when you have only one good bet to make, but still the game of baccarat has one of the best odds in casino if you know this.

Number of Decks and Commission
As shown on the Baccarat Odds, you can improve your chances by choosing the right game to play: you should look for the casino that offers the lower number of decks played and lower commission.

The best choice is the 6 deck card game with 4 percent commission on the winning "Banker" hand. As for the single deck, you can find it only at some online casinos which use Microgaming software.

Money management
Knowing only the best bet for Baccarat game will not make a good strategy. The next decision is how much to bet.

It is not a secret that many players risks more than they can afford to loose when they put on the table their money - a really good way to go completely broke. But following some simple rules can help you to increase your chances to win:.

Even before you sit down at the baccarat table decide how much you are going to loose. Divide up your money and control how much you bet at each round. One of the best ways to manage your money during the play is to pocket a certain percentage of your winnings each time you win or to pocket it all. For example you have $500 to wager. Start the game betting the table limit (let's say $25). Put the winnings aside, and at the end of the 25ths round you'll only have played $500 even, which is exactly what you intended to spend and any winnings are yours to keep.

This simple strategy gives you chance to enjoy the thrill of gambling for a longer period of time without going broke.

And one more advice: Never underestimate luck, it is the biggest factor when you play any game of chance - if you leave the table having more dollars in your pocket than you started (even if it is only $25) you win!

The sad thing about any gambling strategy is the discipline. Remember, if you do not follow your chosen strategy, you do not have strategy at all!

So, bet on the Banker hand, stick to the money management and let the luck be on you side!

rofthelper
04-11-2008, 02:47 AM
Genting , all are manual card shuffler.

Why cannot wait for start of new 60 hands? It's a matter of discipline, thats all.
At LW, personally I have waited for at least 30 minutes before I see a new table starting its game

Bro silverfox, need your input and views on this. Usually in gambling ships like LJ and Leisure World, 3 free games will be displayed before game commences, or sometimes 5 free games for the 5% commission tables. What if the first 3 results are B-B-B? Must I continue to bet on bank irregardless of the result?

Usually I will always bet on Banker on my first wager, but if the results turns up Player, I will bet another 2 units, and jump table if I lose again. If this a preferred practice? Or will you advised to stay onto this table? :(

skymud
04-11-2008, 02:13 PM
hi bro silver fox, just wanna ask is it possible that all 3 rds(180 hands) Player open more than Banker?

0939
05-11-2008, 01:32 AM
If you had read his earlier posts, he would not bet all 60 hands per shoe.
Probably half of it. That is what I am trying to figure out how he plays. Not every gamblers can do that. He had the patience to sit out, count cards and strike when necessary. A calculated gambler who has a large bankroll and knows how to win.

sohbuckkong
05-11-2008, 11:49 AM
Like to know Baccarat strategy? Simple, don't bet on a tie.
...........t.
Until today, the overall results, I never lose on playing ties and this is because I started to bet tie when tie did not appear for at least 30 times (the longer the better) and I will continue to place my bet until I strike. when I strike, I stop betting tie. To me, when I bet tie, its an investment, I dont gamble tie.

sohbuckkong
05-11-2008, 11:56 AM
hi bro silver fox, just wanna ask is it possible that all 3 rds(180 hands) Player open more than Banker?

Yes, its definately 100% possible! The fact that banker have an advantage does not guarantee that banker will surely win, but it does guarantee that it will be slightly more difficult for player to win.

sohbuckkong
05-11-2008, 12:06 PM
Bro silverfox, need your input and views on this. Usually in gambling ships like LJ and Leisure World, 3 free games will be displayed before game commences, or sometimes 5 free games for the 5% commission tables. What if the first 3 results are B-B-B? Must I continue to bet on bank irregardless of the result?

Usually I will always bet on Banker on my first wager, but if the results turns up Player, I will bet another 2 units, and jump table if I lose again. If this a preferred practice? Or will you advised to stay onto this table? :(

The first 3 free rounds is not mandatory meaning if you wish to bet also can.
Strictly speaking, the first few results does not have any effect on the outcome of the game, however for superstitious reasons, just like changing of people when dealer losing, some believe if u see more banker in the beginning then most probably the end result will be a banker shoe and vice versa. For me, I will just keep betting banker.

Generally, most people lose not because they have followed a lousy system, but that they have lose control of themselves when losing, and they started to ramp their stakes hoping for a very quick recovery and in the end lost everything.

Mdm Tang
05-11-2008, 01:53 PM
Today i was at LW . On the 6th floor for "cash" and VAL members there was a Baccarat table with a Plasma TV next to the dealer . Probably u might have also see it.

basically all the "vital " past trend for that shoe are display for us. therefore we just
focus on betting. On one small corner of the Plasma Sreen you will be able to see how
many "banker" and "player" has been outcome. the same for "tie" and "pairs"

sohbuckkong
05-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Today i was at LW . On the 6th floor for "cash" and VAL members there was a Baccarat table with a Plasma TV next to the dealer . Probably u might have also see it.

basically all the "vital " past trend for that shoe are display for us. therefore we just
focus on betting. On one small corner of the Plasma Sreen you will be able to see how
many "banker" and "player" has been outcome. the same for "tie" and "pairs"

In longjie, all the $30 upwards baccarat table have a screen showing those statistics.

Mdm Tang
06-11-2008, 12:21 PM
Info appreciated ... have not been to LJ for almost 1 yr

Mdm Tang
06-11-2008, 01:40 PM
Dec 10, 2007
Macau casinos victims of colossal Vegas-style scam
HONG KONG - ILLEGAL, under-the-table betting is depriving Macau casinos of up to 50 per cent of all gambling revenues, a report on Monday said, in a scam reminiscent of the mafia's Las Vegas heyday.
The widespread 'skimming' could have lost the city's giant casinos more than HK$100 billion (S$18.5 billion) in the past five years, according to a survey of industry executives polled by the South China Morning Post.

If the size of the scam is correct, the English-language daily said it would represent the biggest known example of casino skimming ever, costing the Macau taxpayers US$40 billion (S$57.6 billion) over five years.

The survey asked five senior executives at licensed casinos in Macau how big they thought the problems was. On average, the respondents said the illegal activity represented 78 per cent of the official market for VIP gamblers.

Mr Manual Joaquim das Neves, director of Macau's Gaming Inspection and Co-ordination bureau, denied the problem was so widespread, but conceded it needed to be addressed.

'The government is aware of this problem and has been taking measures to prevent it,' he was quoted as saying by the newspaper.

Side-betting occurs when a gambler and a junket agent - the key figures in bringing high-rollers to each casino and much sought after by operators - negotiate an 'off-table' agreement before entering a casino.

Under the agreement, each amount bet on the table will be matched or multiplied by an separate 'off-table bet' between the two sides, without the casinos knowledge.

The bet would avoid the high 40 per cent tax on gross casino revenues in Macau, allowing the junket operator to offer a better return to the gambler.

'A high tax rate will always provide an incentive for some operators to take revenue 'off the table',' said Mr David Green, a partner at financial services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers in Macau.

'Side betting is notoriously difficult to detect; I suspect it affects all casino jurisdictions with VIP operations. It should be recognised for what it is: a financial crime.' The tiny southern Chinese territory has become a gaming haven in recent years, attracting major US casino operators from Las Vegas.

Last year, it overtook the total revenues for 40 gaming centres along Las Vegas's famous strip on the back of fervent gambling from mainland Chinese.

Organised crime bosses played a major role in the financing of hotels in 'Sin City' helping speed up the city's development in the 1950s and over the next 30 years skimmed millions of unreported, untaxed dollars out of the city.

Their decline from the end of the 1960s was depicted in the film 'Casino' starring Robert De Niro, with the film's ending showing the destruction of the old hotels to make way for the gambling pala

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 01:49 AM
By OSKAR GARCIA,Associated Press Writer AP - Friday, November 7LAS VEGAS - Las Vegas Sands Corp., the international casino empire run by billionaire Sheldon Adelson, must raise new capital or slash development spending, or both, by next month to keep its lenders at bay, the company said Thursday. News that the company might break its loan agreements sent its shares plummeting 33 percent.

Adelson, whose personal wealth is largely tied to his ownership in Sands, has seen his stake's value plunge along with the company's stock price, which has dropped 93 percent over the past year. At one point his shares were worth some $30 billion, making him this country's third-richest person, but as of Thursday's stock price that value had shriveled to $1.9 billion.

If Sands can't raise capital and does default on portions of its long-term debt, estimated at $8.8 billion by Thomson Reuters, the company said it would have to suspend some, if not all of its development projects.

Instead, the Las Vegas-based company hopes to boost earnings in its hometown, the company said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Thursday.

But casino revenue has been down for months in Vegas amid cutbacks on travel. Also, those who do come to here have gambled less and spent less on non-gambling activities.

The drop has been especially severe in Adelson's specialty, midweek convention business. As of August, overall convention business for all companies in Las Vegas had dropped 23.6 percent to $777 million for the first months of 2008.

The company said it is evaluating projects in various stages of development in Las Vegas, Pennsylvania, Macau and Singapore, and is meeting with a financial advisor to explore ways to raise capital.

Adelson, 75, worked as a financial adviser and real estate investor before building casinos. He created the technology trade show Comdex in 1979, which he sold it to Japan's Softbank Corp. for $860 million in 1995.

Adelson then bought the Sands Hotel and Casino, former home to the Rat Pack, in 1989. Seven years later, he was inspired by his honeymoon in Venice to erect The Venetian in its place, a $1.5 billion casino resort. The 4,027-room Venetian combined with the 3,066-suite Palazzo makes Las Vegas Sands operator of the largest property under one roof on the Las Vegas Strip.

The news from Las Vegas Sands's regulatory filing sent the company's stock plunging $3.81, or 32.7 percent, on Thursday to $7.85, far below the top end of its 52-week range of $122.96.

"This has the market spooked," said Robert LaFleur, an analyst with Susquehanna Financial Group.

Adelson and his wife, Miriam Adelson, personally loaned the company $475 million in October so Sands could escape a similar predicament in the third quarter. Company spokesman Ron Reese said it could not comment beyond its regulatory filings until it reports its third-quarter earnings this month.

In an interview in October, Adelson said Las Vegas Sands was looking to raise $2 billion in debt financing from Asian banks to finish work on some Macau expansion projects. The casino mogul controls nearly 70 percent of Las Vegas Sands personally and through family trusts.

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 01:57 AM
Bro silverfox, need your input and views on this. Usually in gambling ships like LJ and Leisure World, 3 free games will be displayed before game commences, or sometimes 5 free games for the 5% commission tables. What if the first 3 results are B-B-B? Must I continue to bet on bank irregardless of the result?

Usually I will always bet on Banker on my first wager, but if the results turns up Player, I will bet another 2 units, and jump table if I lose again. If this a preferred practice? Or will you advised to stay onto this table? :(


there is no fixed playing method in this game yesterday at LW on a new game
the firts three free game was B B B and i play B it came out Tie and Tie , so there is so fixed method of playing.

i suggest my friends' ways : Look out for those tables with many people hanging around and rushing to bet the same ; likely there is a "leng" there ... then try your luck there it is much better , if it is a "big" bet table you can always "share" bets or " tongpang" bets to make up the minimum bet.. Good luck in your betting ... by the way if you can... please share your results ...

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 02:46 AM
hi bro silver fox, just wanna ask is it possible that all 3 rds(180 hands) Player open more than Banker?



HOW TO WIN AT BACCARAT

As much as you would love to beat the odds at baccarat, the cold, hard truth is that baccarat is a game of luck and not much can be done to find that optimal strategy. However, not all is lost. It is quite possible to take certain steps to ensure that you do as well as possible in baccarat.
One of the most important things to remember about baccarat is that it is a game where you will lose in the long run, but can make a tidy profit in the short term. With this fact in mind, the best way to win at baccarat is to quit while you are ahead in the game. This may be easier said than done because it is always tempting to keep on going in a great game like baccarat.
Knowing on which hands to bet is also a good way of increasing your chances to win at baccarat. In a nutshell, avoid betting on a tie as the outcome of the game, as this has a house edge of up to 14%. Rather stick to the safer bets such as the dealer or the player's hand. Even with the 5% banker's 'tax' taken into account, it is still much better to bet on these hands. For an added advantage, look out for online casinos that have a reduced banker's tax.
The number of decks used in the game could directly impact whether you win at baccarat or not. A typical game involves eight decks so look out for online casinos that offer fewer decks. Betting on the dealer's hand when playing with a lower number of decks gives you an even better edge on the game.
You can't argue with the fact that if you know what you are doing, your chances of winning at baccarat increase dramatically. With that in mind, read up as much about the game as possible - whether through online tutorials or in books. Another way of learning more about how the game works is by practicing for free at online casinos on the internet. This great feature offered by these websites provides ample opportunity for players to try different strategies and pick one that they feel comfortable with. Confidence is one of the key factors required for a sure win at baccarat.
Finally, the most important tip to remember when trying to win at baccarat is the need to develop a good money management system. We cannot stress enough the need for players to sit down and plan exactly how much they can afford to spend during their baccarat sessions. You need to consider how much you can afford to lose and at what point you will quit the game. Over and beyond planning a budget, players should also have the willpower to see their decisions through. All too often, players are caught up in the excitement and thrill of baccarat and forget their basic financial decisions. A good money management system that WORKS is absolutely essential if players want to win at baccarat



don't bet on "tie"
Playing Baccarat you have only a choice of three bets, but it does not mean you don't have any options at all.
Betting on the Player Hand - the house edge is 1.29%.
Betting on the Bank Hand - the house edge is 1.01%.
Betting on a Tie Hand - the house edge is 15.75%.
The house edge numbers mean that Banker hand wins more often in the long run. Even after paying a 5% commission it is still a slightly better proposition than betting on "Player hand". So, there is only one good bet to make - Bank Hand.
As for betting on Tie hand the casino will pay nine for one odds. Unfortunately, the casino advantage on this bet is over 15%. So, don't bet on "Tie".
Well, it may be a very boring when you have only one good bet to make, but still the game of baccarat has one of the best odds in casino if you know this.

number of decks and commission
As shown on the Baccarat Odds, you can improve your chances by choosing the right game to play: you should look for the casino that offers the lower number of decks played and lower commission.
The best choice is the 6 deck card game with 4 percent commission on the winning "Banker" hand. As for the single deck, you can find it only at some online casinos which use Microgaming software.
money management
Knowing only the best bet for Baccarat game will not make a good strategy. The next decision is how much to bet.
It is not a secret that many players risks more than they can afford to loose when they put on the table their money - a really good way to go completely broke. But following some simple rules can help you to increase your chances to win:.
Even before you sit down at the baccarat table decide how much you are going to loose.
Divide up your money and control how much you bet at each round.
One of the best ways to manage your money during the play is to pocket a certain percentage of your winnings each time you win or to pocket it all.




For example you have $500 to wager. Start the game betting the table limit (let's say $25). Put the winnings aside, and at the end of the 25ths round you'll only have played $500 even, which is exactly what you intended to spend and any winnings are yours to keep.
This simple strategy gives you chance to enjoy the thrill of gambling for a longer period of time without going broke.
And one more advice: Never underestimate luck, it is the biggest factor when you play any game of chance - if you leave the table having more dollars in your pocket than you started (even if it is only $25) you win!
The sad thing about any gambling strategy is the discipline. Remember, if you do not follow your chosen strategy, you do not have strategy at all!
So, bet on the Banker hand, stick to the money management and let the luck be on you side!

Studying patterns

Studying patterns does not work in Baccarat. It also doesn't work in Roulette, Sic Bo, or any other casino game. You simply cannot study probability because it is unpredictable.

However, there is still hope for those who want to win. In this article, we will be examining some of the strategies designed to help you play more professionally.

4 Simple ways to win when playing Baccarat

1) Almost always bet on the Banker! It has the best odds. Occasionally, you may want to bet on the player, and this is fine. However, almost never bet on the tie because the odds are very low!

2) Set a budget. Never chase losses, especially when you can't afford to lose that money.

3) Have fun. If you get nervous, restless, or bored, you will start betting too much, and you will start losing.

4) Bet what you can afford to lose. If you don't care about losing, you have a much better chance of winning. The only times I ever win are when I don't care about losing!

Use the above for tips and you will win a lot more consistently at Baccarat. Don't waste your money on Baccarat systems because Baccarat is a game of chance!

0939
09-11-2008, 02:52 AM
Mdm Tang

Do you always win like Silverfox. What are your chances when you visit
casinoes. Do you think we can make a living by playing Baccarat if we know
how to control our game?

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 03:30 AM
Mdm Tang

Do you always win like Silverfox. What are your chances when you visit
casinoes. Do you think we can make a living by playing Baccarat if we know
how to control our game?



yes. i "work" on Mon Tue Wed Thus & Fri : i pay S$42 for the ticket.
I buy S$200/- ( i member ) non member must buy S$300/- during weekdays.

my target is S$200/- winnings per day. i gather around "hot" tables .

you must wait and disapline to wait for the "leng" whenyou hear people shourting that's it ...

the louder the table the better ...

1 week i make S$1k : 4 weeks i make 4 k.

i rest on SAT & Sun ( because the real players are doing horse racing
, family days etc... etc...)

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 03:39 AM
Mdm Tang

Do you always win like Silverfox. What are your chances when you visit
casinoes. Do you think we can make a living by playing Baccarat if we know
how to control our game?


************************************************** *******
Life is Short : Its Like a Game of Baccarat


Please enjoy this my favourite song :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHt1KB2s64

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 03:46 AM
************************************************** *******
Life is Short : Its Like a Game of Baccarat


Please enjoy this my favourite song :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHt1KB2s64



also this one very nice :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkSyt3bLdg&feature=related

silverfox@
09-11-2008, 06:12 AM
Do you always win like Silverfox. What are your chances when you visit
casinoes. Do you think we can make a living by playing Baccarat if we know
how to control our game?

Actually on certain occasions, I do lose.
I am not "invincible". It's not a shame to lose, just that every losing session, must know why lose.

I don't go cruise ships because of the timing aspect. Not enough time to rack winnings or recover when losing, as I don't bet every hand or even every shoe.

In casinos, I seen people make a living via playing roulette, baccarat, every day they are there. Some told me they have been there for years. In US, it has become a lifestyle for some via playing at home.
In Thailand, if you reside in thailand, they have online accounts for you to place bets on Baccarat tables with Livefeed. Meaning to say the casino is in Cambodia and the dealer deals the card, feed is sent via internet and people can place their bets online.

Baccarat is a game where it favours Banker. However Banker 6 draws down the advantage and this is an advantage for the casino house. I still stand by the notion that Player bets can not win long run. I have been intensively studying the game for a year. Am now in the final stages where I am hoping to rack a 90% winning rate.
Now I can only rack a 75% "not losing" chance.

That means to say out of 30 shoes,
I win 21 shoes
I draw 2 shoes
I lose 7 shoes

There are various ways to improve if one wants to play professionally.
1) One is to have extra junket commission. You get a 1% at least when you roll. Or you get higher comm if you roll higher amounts.
2) There were occasions when my friend was told to bet with the junket operator. Meaning to say he bet 500 on table, 500 is sidebet with junket side and not on casino. In return, more percentage on commission which is not disclosed to the casino. He even had a whopping 1.8% comm just to roll with a junket. Compared to what we seen on cruise which is 1-1.2%

This few 0.0x% difference can make a lot of difference

silverfox@
09-11-2008, 06:16 AM
Bro silverfox, need your input and views on this. Usually in gambling ships like LJ and Leisure World, 3 free games will be displayed before game commences, or sometimes 5 free games for the 5% commission tables. What if the first 3 results are B-B-B? Must I continue to bet on bank irregardless of the result?

Usually I will always bet on Banker on my first wager, but if the results turns up Player, I will bet another 2 units, and jump table if I lose again. If this a preferred practice? Or will you advised to stay onto this table? :(

Thks sohbuckkong for replying on my behalf. :)
Sometimes I am away, so I can't reply you that fast.
The 3 free games I just note them down.
If you have gone to a table from a start, last it till the end. Don't need to run around. Even if open P-P-P, can still stay around.
In Genting, its 10 free games.

Don't buy Player, it is just not worth the risk.

0939
09-11-2008, 08:54 AM
************************************************** *******
Life is Short : Its Like a Game of Baccarat


Please enjoy this my favourite song :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHt1KB2s64

I will be ready when the IR completed Try to make a living out from casinos.
Made $200 a trip is a good discipline. Thanks Also to Silverfox. Who knows one day we will be on the same table.

skymud
09-11-2008, 12:50 PM
yes. i "work" on Mon Tue Wed Thus & Fri : i pay S$42 for the ticket.
I buy S$200/- ( i member ) non member must buy S$300/- during weekdays.

my target is S$200/- winnings per day. i gather around "hot" tables .

you must wait and disapline to wait for the "leng" whenyou hear people shourting that's it ...

the louder the table the better ...

1 week i make S$1k : 4 weeks i make 4 k.

i rest on SAT & Sun ( because the real players are doing horse racing
, family days etc... etc...)


Mdm Tang, for winning of $200 per day. Usually how much capital do you bring along?

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 04:07 PM
Mdm Tang, for winning of $200 per day. Usually how much capital do you bring along?


i used to bring along $1,000/- even S$2000/-

my biggest setback was at LJ when i lost S$3,000/- (my capital for that day ) within 10 mins upon entering the playing room...those were my early days...

as i am still learning now... an on going processs , i have been told that the
real professional are those that bet S$10/- per round...

i now bring S$250/- on each trip... no atm card and no credit card.

i am a member so i need only buy -in S$200/- on weekdays to get back my
S$40/ - ( ferry ticket S$42/- ) , non member need to buyin S$300/-

its all about money mgt , if i lose S$200/- i still have S$48/- in my pocket to fight again another day... there will be those "down " days when whatever method you play you lose ( difficult to explain ) ...

on my "up" days i set aside my S$200/- profit for the day and use the excess to fight for extra profit...

its not only strategy thats involved here : your mental state of mind and
enough sleep and etc... are very important , eg : never go with girlfriends or boyfriends when you gamble ( apply to most players )

a) money mgt

b) discipline &

c) strategy ( we all have different ones , get one that gel with you )

Mdm Tang
09-11-2008, 04:14 PM
Mdm Tang, for winning of $200 per day. Usually how much capital do you bring along?



view this baccarat tip trailers : good luck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SedgziBcc

skymud
10-11-2008, 01:25 AM
Mdm Tang, just curious do you practise in online casino with livefeed? If you do got any recommendation?

Got burned quite badly last yr, this whole yr never enter casino only reading up on what I can learn. Anyway learned alot from this thread, now just need to find an online casino that can simulate a real 1 with 8 decks and a live feed. Hopefully they allow us to try for free also lol

0939
10-11-2008, 01:41 AM
Mdm Tang, just curious do you practise in online casino with livefeed? If you do got any recommendation?

Got burned quite badly last yr, this whole yr never enter casino only reading up on what I can learn. Anyway learned alot from this thread, now just need to find an online casino that can simulate a real 1 with 8 decks and a live feed. Hopefully they allow us to try for free also lol

You back thead and read all Silverfox's threads. Your answers can be found
there.

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 02:12 AM
You back thead and read all Silverfox's threads. Your answers can be found
there.

aiyah , i prefer just go to LW and watch the big player play...

we learn from their mistakes and gain from their strategy and experience...

just bring enough for ticket and mrt fare and enjoy the meals and free drinks...

i am on the way there... c u...

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 03:13 AM
The first 3 free rounds is not mandatory meaning if you wish to bet also can.
Strictly speaking, the first few results does not have any effect on the outcome of the game, however for superstitious reasons, just like changing of people when dealer losing, some believe if u see more banker in the beginning then most probably the end result will be a banker shoe and vice versa. For me, I will just keep betting banker.

Generally, most people lose not because they have followed a lousy system, but that they have lose control of themselves when losing, and they started to ramp their stakes hoping for a very quick recovery and in the end lost everything.

Baccarat is a game of luck. There is nothing a player can do to change the outcome of the game. The Banker hand will win slightly more than the Banker hand and that is the reason for the commission that you must pay when betting on the Banker.

Many players like to track the outcome and look for trends. The casino supplies sheets you can use to do this. Since the Banker hand will win more frequently that the Player hand you might want to bet on the Banker if you are betting a trend. You are not obligated to bet on every hand. You could bet on the Banker hand until it losses then wait until the Player hand loses and start betting the Banker hand again

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 03:22 AM
Mdm Tang, just curious do you practise in online casino with livefeed? If you do got any recommendation?

Got burned quite badly last yr, this whole yr never enter casino only reading up on what I can learn. Anyway learned alot from this thread, now just need to find an online casino that can simulate a real 1 with 8 decks and a live feed. Hopefully they allow us to try for free also lol



try this :


http://casino.ladbrokes.com/en/live-dealer/profiles/hazel-a

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 03:26 AM
I will be ready when the IR completed Try to make a living out from casinos.
Made $200 a trip is a good discipline. Thanks Also to Silverfox. Who knows one day we will be on the same table.




for your info

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aXPcVG6twOg/baccarat_revealed_1/

silverfox@
10-11-2008, 05:52 AM
Baccarat is a game of luck. There is nothing a player can do to change the outcome of the game. The Banker hand will win slightly more than the Banker hand and that is the reason for the commission that you must pay when betting on the Banker.

1) Baccarat is a game of luck plus its a game based on statistics

2) It's a game where the player can do nothing to change the outcome of the game
3) Banker hand will win slightly more than Player hand. Only slightly.



Many players like to track the outcome and look for trends. The casino supplies sheets you can use to do this. Since the Banker hand will win more frequently that the Player hand you might want to bet on the Banker if you are betting a trend. You are not obligated to bet on every hand. You could bet on the Banker hand until it losses then wait until the Player hand loses and start betting the Banker hand again

1) Tracking for thrends, such as streaks, ding dongs, are not useful.
2) Statistically Banker hands open more, but this advantage will be washed down by Banker 6 where the Banker bets only receive 50% payout.

silverfox@
10-11-2008, 06:02 AM
for your info

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aXPcVG6twOg/baccarat_revealed_1/

I have seen this video by this guy. I think his nick is liveguy7 on youtube.
When I saw the video, I was trying to decipher how he plays. So he plays via monitoring the initial thrends and then based on it, he lays his bets.

I think this is a very common practise in casinos for many players. And I think the video doesn't show what if the outcome does not come out as expected. Also, I think he doubles his bet when he loses a hand. He bets on either player or banker.

Martingale systems or double up, increase units system will never work on a casino table. Regardless of how much bankroll you have. Even if you have a billion dollars, it will not work.
There is no 100% sure win, if there is guaranteed, then martingale system will work.

Remember Baccarat is a game based on statistics from the mathematical calculation of the cards. There will be times when betting Banker has a very high percentage of winning and there will be times when betting Banker has a very low percentage. I emphasise on high percentage. I never say 100% sure win. So that is why when you place a bet during the high percentage period is a higher percentage for one to make money rather than during a 50/50 situation.

silverfox@
10-11-2008, 06:19 AM
Today is R&R day for me, so I just write something in this thread to while some time and also share some stories related to gambling. :o

When Singapore announced plans to open 2 integrated resorts aka casinos, there are many people who said these casinos are going to kill more people. Actually those people who are hardcore, even without these 2 IRs, they would find ways and means to gamble.

It's not hard, can go to cruise, a few cruises to select too.
Or nearest would be Genting, then Cambodia casinos, or even Macau. The further ones would be Australia, US, etc.

Some even play online casinos.

In Genting, its safe because security there is better than the rest of Malaysia. Uncle Lim will never allow crimes to happen and even the underworld have to give face, if not who still dare to play there?

Going to a casino, try not to bring girlfriend, mistress, wife or lover. Wasting time, and a distraction.
Going to a casino, one has to be quite unfriendly. Yes, I don't like to talk too much to neighbours, because I find that when you talk, 50% of attention to the game is gone. Some people may think you are proud, arrogant, but would you rather 'satisfy' them by talking to them or would you rather lose your money? Even if there is conversation, try to keep it short. Best way to play, without people distracting you is to plug your ears with earphones listening to MP3. Even if they try talking to you, at least you can act blur that you can't hear.

Playing in a casino is dangerous when one cannot control his emotions.
Every trip going to a casino, one must understand where he lose.
1) Don't blame luck. Because good luck will never follow you forever
2) Don't blame the dealer, because you could get a dealer another day and you could lose even more.

When a person goes to a casino, he has to think of, How not to LOSE. and not the other way of How to WIN.

Different concepts.

Just like a football match. When you play to win, somehow or another you will underestimate your opponent and they spring surprise results.
When you play knowing how not to let your opponent score, you at least draw the game.

Going to a casino and not losing is more important than going to a casino and think of how much to win.

If example I bring $1000 to a casino and after a day of playing, I lose $500
Next day, I start off with $500 and I need to first win back $500 before I can see any profits.

If I don't lose any on the first day, I would start with $1000 on the next day.
Next day, I win $1, that would be the profit.

So it is why I always aim for not to lose. Even if I don't win, the part on not losing is very very important to fight the battle next day.

silverfox@
10-11-2008, 06:37 AM
In singapore, there are few types of gambling

1) 4D, Toto. The odds are like 1:10000 or 1:1000000 combinations.
It's a game based on LUCK.

2) Horse racing. The odds are like 1:3, 1:5, 1:20 depending on horses
Play horse must be a horse owner, then you be able to win. They feed the horse, pay the jockey, not for people like you and me to win. Odds are meant to deceive.

3) Soccer gambling. Odds will run down the advantage. And soccer gambling is actually playing on the emotions of the soccer fan. Some people like MU, so they die die buy MU. Even MU give 3 ball, they still give. This is why bookies make good money.

4) Share/Stock gambling. Trust me I lost more money losing in shares than playing in football or casino. Shares and Stocks are said to be good investments. That is what educated people say. Bullshit!
When economy crash, financial institutions fail, those holding high positions, good pay cheques, top investment gurus, still lose money like hell. Imagine if the share you buy is at $1, drops to $0.20, do you know how long it will take for it to go back to $1? It will take at least 5 years (optimistic) to a 10 years(realistic) or even 15 years(pessimistic). Some people say nevermind price drop because you still hold on to the share. But how long are you going to hold, because if it doesn't breakeven, you wouldn't sell. If you don't sell, its money that cannot be withdrawn or even be used.
Yes, one can make thousands easily during a bull run, when the bear runs, thousands will be lost. And its not something where everyday you see a bull run. Imagine you buy a share and it drops like hell, what would the situation be if money is put into a bank. You at least get some interest.

5) Properties gambling. Properties investment are just like shares. However, the time to start buying properties is when the shares start to fly up. Because a lot of rich people speculate in properties few months after shares move. They are inter-related. So speculation in property is easier than buying shares. However money involved is also larger.

6) Casino gambling. This is not very popular yet in singapore. But when IR opens, Singapore will be like the next Australia or even US where it is like a lifestyle.
Casino odds don't change odds like soccer gambling. They don't have movement odds like shares/stocks. When people say 10 gamble, 9 lose. Look at the above scenarios I mention, even buying shares and properties don't guarantee money.
So if one ask me, casino has a better chance of making money than the above.
Everyone say casinos make money.
Who doesn't?
Betting houses also make money. Singapore pools also make money, brokerages also make money, so why can't casinos make money. Just because people say, we just have to believe, but we have to understand why they make money and then we leverage the risks and capital involved and returns.

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Published November 10, 2008

Marina IR will go on: MM Lee

By JAMIE LEE




SINGAPORE) The US$4.5 billion Marina Bay Sands integrated resort project in Singapore will go on, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.


This comes on the back of growing concerns that the casino project could be in jeopardy after the parent company said last week it was looking at a capital raising.

'The Sands integrated resort is under pressure,' MM Lee told Tanjong Pagar residents at a community event yesterday, adding that the company was highly-leveraged as it expanded to places such as Macau.

The Chinese have now restricted the number of people who can go to Macau and this has caused the company's share price to decline, he said.

'But in Singapore, that project will go on because we are not depending on China and Chinese workers coming in from the rest of China to visit our integrated resorts.'

Las Vegas Sands chairman Sheldon Adelson had told the local media last week that he felt the need to 'personally reaffirm our commitment to the success of Marina Bay Sands'.

Mr Adelson - who injected US$475 million of his own money into the company recently - also revealed that he had met with Singapore government officials on a range of subjects such as the pace of construction and marketing efforts with the Singapore Tourism Board
The Marina Bay resort is expected to hire some 10,000 workers before it begins operations next year. The three local banks' exposure to the project is said to be around $2.2 billion.

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 11:20 AM
A reliable Baccarat strategy is generally considered a falsehood among gamblers. Although you may often hear people asserting that they have devised the 'perfect' strategy, Baccarat is essentially a game of chance and there is relatively little the player can do strategically to improve the odds.

However, that does not mean that there is no point thinking about the game. There are several central things to remember when playing baccarat that will help you to make correct decisions and play more intelligently and, therefore, increase your chances of success.

Consider the following questions and answers if you want to become a better player:

Use the scoreboard! You will undoubtedly see other players make use of the pencil and chart provided by most casinos, on which they keep track of previous hands and try to determine if there is a pattern. Usually, if they believe there is a pattern, they will change their betting in order to take advantage of a streak. This is erroneous and illogical. The casino encourages this because they know it has no bearing on the game. In Baccarat, as in most games, no hand can have influence on a following hand. Although you will see countless other players marking their score card, you should pay no heed to this. After all, would the casinos really provide everyone with something that would help the customers win more money?! No way!!

Some tables use different numbers of decks. You can maximize returns by playing Baccarat with single decks which offer the best mathematical return (about 1% house edge) for the banker bet, representing the best return possible for any bets in any form of Baccarat.

Never! Avoid it like the plague. No matter what you hear, the Tie is NOT a great option. Although the payout is considerably more than the player and banker bets, and therefore more enticing, it is not a good idea. The house edge on tie bets is at least 5%. Smart gamblers do not bet on the tie.

Technically yes - practically, perhaps not. Looking at the numbers, the odds are always better if you bet on the banker. This Baccarat strategy would be unquestionably dull, and so you wouldn't want to be playing for very long. Remember, the house does have an edge, even though it is relatively small for Baccarat. This means that in the long run the house will win, undeniably. To minimize the house edge, it is advisable to bet on the banker. However, most people play Baccarat for its fun and whimsical nature.

To learn more about the odds and probabilities of Baccarat, click here.

Important note: Practice first before wagering! Almost all online casinos offer the game in both the practice mode and the betting mode. It is always a good idea to practice your chosen game in free play mode as it gives you the chance to check out their software before you start playing for money.

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 11:23 AM
Baccarat players have been duking it out for centuries over whether system play really improves your odds. Some say that there are ways of getting ahead in the game, while others maintain that the idea of affecting a purely random game is sheer poppycock. Find out where GP editorialista Melanie Fischer stands after launching her own personal quest to separate myth from fact:

First up, baccarat is a favorite passtime among gamblers and card players for three main reasons:

Baccarat odds are very good, and the house has only a slight advantage over the game’s players.
Baccarat is a game of chance, not a game of skill.
Baccarat is very easy to learn.
Despite the glitz and glamour that often surround baccarat tables, the game itself isn't that complicated and baccarat odds aren't heavily in favor of either the house or the player. In fact, the house has just a slight winning edge. And although baccarat playing areas in physical casinos are often roped off and exclusive-looking - leading people to believe that the game is high-stakes and, therefore, difficult - it's really not as tough as it looks. Any idiot could learn to comprehend and master it in a matter of seconds, and the tables are usually open to any player who wants to give it a shot.

Baccarat odds vary slightly depending on how many decks are used in the game. The fewer the cards, the better the odds are for the player. The margin of difference between using one deck in a game compared to eight decks, for example, is very small. Yet any percentage, no matter how small, can affect the outcome of the game. Many also believe that using a system in baccarat can give players an advantage, but the validity of this idea is questionable.

The rules of the game allow baccarat probabilities to favor the bank just slightly. According the game's rules, the banker will win the game 50.68 percent of the time, unless there's a tie. This means that the player will win 49.32 percent of the time. With such a slight advantage of winning, many people wonder why casinos even continue to field the game. The answer is that casinos still make money off baccarat because they often require a commission on winning banker bets.

For more information, GamblingPlanet.org goes into great detail on baccarat probabilities, the odds of winning a hand, baccarat systems, and tips on how to make the best wagers.

Most people believe that baccarat is a game of chance and that no amount of knowledge can increase a player's chances of winning. However, this is not entirely true inasmuch as knowing the game's rules before betting a lot of money on it can certainly help any player be more successful.

Stating that any specific baccarat system will work for all players, on the other hand, should be taken with a grain of salt. There are certain strategies published in books and posted on internet blogs, but when scrutinized, most of the systems can't be definitively proven to work.

No baccarat system, in fact, works all the time. If they did, casinos would've gone out of business long ago--which, last time I checked, they haven't. What's more, most of the published baccarat systems are extremely complicated and based on mathematical equations, and they may work in a perfect and controlled environment, but the reality is that no baccarat system can work 100 percent of the time.

A huge majority of casinos, professional gamblers and even gambling novices all agree that there is no such thing as a foolproof baccarat system. Some other casino games involve a little more skill and knowledge, but baccarat is essentially a game of chance.

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 11:28 AM
Casinos look to technology to reduce Macau's baccarat addiction

Culturally-specific slot machines and computerised games to lure Asians away from baccarat. -AFP

Mon, Jun 09, 2008
AFP

MACAU - GAMBLING innovators are betting on creating culturally-specific slot machines and computerised games to lure Asian players away from well-worn seats at the baccarat tables to more profitable pursuits.

In the face of rocketing labour costs and a need to diversify gaming revenue away from the traditional table game, casinos in the gaming haven of Macau are hoping the new designs will recreate the success of slots in Las Vegas.

'There are plenty of games in the market with themes on Star Wars, Spiderman and the like,' said Mr Tony Tong, chief executive officer of PacificNet, a gaming technology company.

He said that while Asians know these stories, they do not have an emotional or cultural attachment to them.

Mr Tong said computerised games needed to use stars such as martial arts actor Jackie Chan, and singers from the hit television series 'Super Voice Girls,' the Chinese equivalent of 'American Idol'.

He also said that although some games were linked to late kung fu star Bruce Lee and ancient Chinese stories such as the Monkey King, they had become outdated for Asian gamblers.

Mr Tong's company employs 500 game designers and engineers in Macau, Hong Kong and China aiming to outdo foreign rivals. If he succeeds he will meet a much-needed shift in the southern Chinese city's model, as the tripling of croupier salaries in recent years has pressured casinos' bottom line.

While gaming revenues in Macau last year overtook those of the Las Vegas Strip, government figures show up to 88 per cent of it was spent on baccarat tables, where one dealer can only serve a maximum 12 players at any one time.

Chinese gamblers tend to congregate around tables they feel are on a lucky streak, with tables nearby standing empty, cutting into casino profits.
Government figures show that only 4.3 per cent of the city's total revenues were from slot machines, compared to what Mr Tong says is as much as 60 per cent in Las Vegas.

There are currently around 15,000 slot machines in Macau's casinos, compared to just 2,000 eight years ago, said Mr Tong. He estimated that number would rise to 30,000 to 40,000 in a few years.

Meanwhile, the race is on to provide electronic tables that retain the element of live dealers and real cards while the wagering is done electronically, without the hassle of making changes or payout. -- AFP

Mdm Tang
10-11-2008, 11:31 AM
June 9, 2008

Casinos look to technology to reduce Macau's baccarat addiction
MACAU - GAMBLING innovators are betting on creating culturally-specific slot machines and computerised games to lure Asian players away from well-worn seats at the baccarat tables to more profitable pursuits. In the face of rocketing labour costs and a need to diversify gaming revenue away from the traditional table game, casinos in the gaming haven of Macau are hoping the new designs will recreate the success of slots in Las Vegas.

'There are plenty of games in the market with themes on Star Wars, Spiderman and the like,' said Mr Tony Tong, chief executive officer of PacificNet, a gaming technology company.

He said that while Asians know these stories, they do not have an emotional or cultural attachment to them.

Mr Tong said computerised games needed to use stars such as martial arts actor Jackie Chan, and singers from the hit television series 'Super Voice Girls,' the Chinese equivalent of 'American Idol'.

He also said that although some games were linked to late kung fu star Bruce Lee and ancient Chinese stories such as the Monkey King, they had become outdated for Asian gamblers.

Mr Tong's company employs 500 game designers and engineers in Macau, Hong Kong and China aiming to outdo foreign rivals. If he succeeds he will meet a much-needed shift in the southern Chinese city's model, as the tripling of croupier salaries in recent years has pressured casinos' bottom line.

While gaming revenues in Macau last year overtook those of the Las Vegas Strip, government figures show up to 88 per cent of it was spent on baccarat tables, where one dealer can only serve a maximum 12 players at any one time.

Chinese gamblers tend to congregate around tables they feel are on a lucky streak, with tables nearby standing empty, cutting into casino profits.
Government figures show that only 4.3 per cent of the city's total revenues were from slot machines, compared to what Mr Tong says is as much as 60 per cent in Las Vegas.

There are currently around 15,000 slot machines in Macau's casinos, compared to just 2,000 eight years ago, said Mr Tong. He estimated that number would rise to 30,000 to 40,000 in a few years.

Meanwhile, the race is on to provide electronic tables that retain the element of live dealers and real cards while the wagering is done electronically, without the hassle of making changes or payout. -- AFP

rofthelper
12-11-2008, 07:51 AM
HOW TO WIN AT BACCARAT

Use the above for tips and you will win a lot more consistently at Baccarat. Don't waste your money on Baccarat systems because Baccarat is a game of chance!

My frd, who is a super regular at darwin casino, LA and macau casino told me this, "You can't stop winning, but you can stop your loss." Basket, damn short and crisp advice.

rofthelper
12-11-2008, 07:58 AM
I lose 7 shoes

There are various ways to improve if one wants to play professionally.
1) One is to have extra junket commission. You get a 1% at least when you roll. Or you get higher comm if you roll higher amounts.
2) There were occasions when my friend was told to bet with the junket operator. Meaning to say he bet 500 on table, 500 is sidebet with junket side and not on casino. In return, more percentage on commission which is not disclosed to the casino. He even had a whopping 1.8% comm just to roll with a junket. Compared to what we seen on cruise which is 1-1.2%

This few 0.0x% difference can make a lot of difference

This I heard before, and it actually happened and it's true. Because my frd is working in "this field" in macau. His monthly commission is my dream, and his reality.

michaely
12-11-2008, 12:25 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/

hyywes
12-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Sounds interesting?
Baccarat is really 50/50. Although when you go macau or Gambling in Cruises or Genting.
You will see dragon trend. Well, just follow the crowd.

Sometimes when i deal, got dragon trend, people also dunno how to make use also no use. make wrong decision etc.

If on cruises, common room use shuffle machine so quite hard to keep track the cards, but if is using pre made shoe, you got super good memory best. can know what card come out already what to bet next.

Banker always have the upper hand, advantage.
The best is to buy Tie, player's pair, banker's pair. One guy last time, keep buying these every game. I think he made about 10000 on a 50 min table.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 04:58 PM
Sounds interesting?
Baccarat is really 50/50. Although when you go macau or Gambling in Cruises or Genting.
You will see dragon trend. Well, just follow the crowd.

Sometimes when i deal, got dragon trend, people also dunno how to make use also no use. make wrong decision etc.

If on cruises, common room use shuffle machine so quite hard to keep track the cards, but if is using pre made shoe, you got super good memory best. can know what card come out already what to bet next.

Banker always have the upper hand, advantage.
The best is to buy Tie, player's pair, banker's pair. One guy last time, keep buying these every game. I think he made about 10000 on a 50 min table.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com

Many Thanks Hyywes


Monday, November 10, 2008

Casino on Land Vs Casino on Cruise

Yes, this topic is about comparison between Casino on cruises and Casino on land.

What's the difference? Pros and cons. In this article, I am going to share with you some insights.

Casino on Land - in Asia maybe southeast Asia, Macau would be the Asian 'Las Vegas'
Land of Opportunities as perceive by many, be it work or play. Nearer to our vincinity would be Genting Highlands in Malaysia.

Casino on Cruise - Mainly Star Cruises, Royal Caribbean Cruise.

What's the main difference?

1.Operating hours. Yes unlike Casinos on land, where operating hours would be 24/7, Casino on Cruise have a certain time where they open and close.
The closing hours on ship will normally be the time where it is reaching a port destination where opening of casino is not allowed. So customers on winning streak must be dissappointed.

2.Games Variety. Yes, On ships, the games offered by casino is pretty limited whereas you can find almost all games available world wide in casino on land, in this case Macau.

Perhaps, you can only play Blackjack, Baccarat, Caribbean Stud Poker, Sic bo on Ships' Casino.
But on land, there more games like Texas hold'em, Craps, three card poker etc.
More chance of winning? Perhaps.

3. Hotels and accomodation
Whenever you are travelling on cruises, you get to experience only one style of hotel you are staying, and limited restaurants for food delicacy. However, if you stay in Casino hotels on land,
you can move to many different hotels like in Macau and experience different kind restaurants food in variety. But on Sea, well not too bad, for people who like to see the sunset feel the ocean breeze and experience 'titanic'.

So which is better? I leave that to you. Its a different kind of experience that you should best give a shot to both holidaying on sea and on land.
Posted by Wesley at 7:31 AM 0 comments

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Sounds interesting?
Baccarat is really 50/50. Although when you go macau or Gambling in Cruises or Genting.
You will see dragon trend. Well, just follow the crowd.

Sometimes when i deal, got dragon trend, people also dunno how to make use also no use. make wrong decision etc.

If on cruises, common room use shuffle machine so quite hard to keep track the cards, but if is using pre made shoe, you got super good memory best. can know what card come out already what to bet next.

Banker always have the upper hand, advantage.
The best is to buy Tie, player's pair, banker's pair. One guy last time, keep buying these every game. I think he made about 10000 on a 50 min table.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com



Sunday, November 2, 2008

Working as a Dealer in Casino on Cruise

What i am about to share with you, is some insight of life working as a dealer on board Cruise's Casino. This applies to Land based casinos as well. Except, Working on Land based requires Dealer to possess license before being able to Check it out..

For me and some of my fellow Singaporeans working on cruise, we already have some education with regard to the games that Casino operates on. To learn more about the games and how to deal and general knowledge about being a croupier, you can check out this website. www.icgtraining.com This is the 1st casino school in Singapore which we graduated, and also the school acts an an agent which gives us the opportunites to get maximum exposure working in a casino environment so as to better prepare students intending to work in casino in Singapore in the future.

Back on to the subject... Where were we??
Oh yes, life as a dealer working in Casino on Cruise.
In the previous post, you can see the general working life on ship, and this article will be more about the dealer's responsibilities and jobscope.

For new trainees, they will be given a game or two to learn, before dealing on floor. Example, Baccarat or Blackjack or Roulette all depending on the Club's arrangement.

During the new game training, trainees will be taught about the game's rule, procedures and
security. Normally each new game takes about 1 month or less depending on the complexity on the game itself. Nearing the end, trainees will be given exposure dealing live games with real time customer. This is to prepare them mentally when they do the actual dealing in the future.
Also, there will be an assessment to test the trainee's understanding and knowledge of the game they learned, failing which will deny them the chance to deal on floor.

Sounds tough? Well maybe, that will depends on how the trainee conduct themselves during
training. If they put in alot of effort, most of the time there would be no problem passing the assessment.

Besides dealing of games, there will be other roles which Casino staff will perform when on duty.

1. Shuffling of premade shoe.
The shuffling of pre made shoe is for Baccarat games in VIP rooms.
Normally, Dealer will shuffle about 15 to 20 shoes a day. Depending on the requirements of management. Each shoe consists of 8 decks of cards to be shuffled. The used cards will be discarded after they have been used during live games.

2. Performing the role of Club host.
During Casino opening hours, some dealers will be assign to play the role of club host.
As a club host, they will be walking around the casino entertaining customers and providing assistance to customer's requirements and needs. They will also report to pit managers for extra ad-hoc duties.

Some other duties are shoe runners, card runners and shoe guard.
The shoe runners and shoe guard will be in charge of taking care the card rooms making sure the decks of cards are in place and issued correctly while card runners are required to attend to customer or any enquiries prior to their membership cards.

Generally, the working hours are not fixed but there are 2 shifts which dealers works in.
The day shift and night shift. Dealers on night shift will be perform 12 hour duties usually as ship will be on sea at night and for day shifts normally be 6 to 7 hours and 12 hours on weekend.
The short working hours on day shift is due to the ship locations when there are certain areas which the ship are in and casino operations are not allow. Every 2 weeks there will be change of shifts from day to night shift and vice versa. All in all, the working hours is irregular.
Also, trainee dealers will not perform duties when they are undergoing training.

Besides, working on floor, dealers will be assigned extra duties from time to time.
These duties consists of receiving supplies,carrying of cash boxes from jackpot machines and gaming tables, counting of cash, and cleaning of equipments.

Above is a rough idea of a dealers jobscope working on ship. Think you got what it takes to work in Casino? All the best!

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:04 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/


Many Thanks Bro n Sis,

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛

Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

MacauCasinoWorld.com is proud to welcome you our honoured visitors to our new series, Baccarat Great Learning from Zuan Xin, a Harvard educated baccarat professional in Fabulous Las Vegas!

In this series, you will be treated to a wealth of expert insight into the world of baccarat the grand game of Macau! Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!

Lesson 5
Lesson 4
Lesson 3
Lesson 2
Lesson 1

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:06 PM
Many Thanks Bro n Sis,

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛

Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

MacauCasinoWorld.com is proud to welcome you our honoured visitors to our new series, Baccarat Great Learning from Zuan Xin, a Harvard educated baccarat professional in Fabulous Las Vegas!

In this series, you will be treated to a wealth of expert insight into the world of baccarat the grand game of Macau! Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!

Lesson 5
Lesson 4
Lesson 3
Lesson 2
Lesson 1


LESSON 1

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛


Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

By Zuan Xin

Welcome to Baccarat Great Learning!

Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Zuan Xin, your teacher. I am a graduate of Harvard University. I live on the fabulous Las Vegas Strip, a mecca for baccarat players from all over the world. I am expert in the mathematics and strategy of baccarat, and I coach selected VIP players who come here to challenge the likes of Steve Wynn and Sheldon Adelson in their home casinos.


In this series, we will highlight important principles that we can use to win at our favorite game, principles that I instill into my baccarat players. I was once engaged by a gaming industry company to figure out how to make baccarat four times more addictive than it already is. So I know all the secrets of the game.

Today we will begin at the beginning. And we will not mince words. We all know that we Chinese people have the gambling gene. Many of us become addicted to baccarat. The structure and the setting of the game pull us in and we cannot seem to get out. That is what the casinos want. So this is where we start. There is no law that forbids us from learning how to do better at baccarat.

Baccarat is a game of chance, but there is no reason why we cannot go beyond gambling and become a player. The game is just as fun and exciting, probably more so. Baccarat, like all games of chance, has an underlying mathematical structure. There is no reason not to do the math. Why not identify the investment opportunities that present themselves during the course of each shoe?

Yes, I said investment opportunities. For players, not for gamblers. Let me give an example. The other day I was at one of the biggest casinos on the Las Vegas Strip enjoying the action. The dealer was aware of my presence and familiar with my ability to understand the hidden patterns of a shoe of baccarat.

Eventually the shoe revealed a glorious investment opportunity where the baccarat player enjoyed a substantial advantage over the house. But none of the seven gamblers at the table placed a bet! The dealer and I exchanged knowing glances. The result was as the math predicted. But there were no players at that table. Just gamblers destined to inevitably lose all of their stack of chips.

At another table, another equally glorious investment opportunity presented itself. There were a couple of bets placed, both in the wrong direction. Both losers. The dealer smiled and I shook my head.

When we are too lazy to do the math, and then we lose, it is easy to blame the loss on bad luck.

So our first principle is the principle of hard work. Maybe the excitement and seduction of baccarat is diminished, but our probability of winning improves substantially. The truth is we cannot be a gambler and win consistently at baccarat. Making our baccarat play hard work also will grind away the game's ability to turn on our gambling gene. Yet the game will be eight times as exciting.

Isn't it more exciting to win?

As an exercise, next time we visit the baccarat table, we make the conscious decision to become a player. We watch closely as the patterns of the shoe unfold, like a flower opening. We no longer bet under the worn excuse of measuring our fate. We invest in a favorable pattern that we have identified through our hard work. We do not invest unless we have a very good reason to invest. We don't sell something for less than we pay for it. Why should we place money at risk on the baccarat table without a very good reason?

Next time we will start to do the hard work, starting with the most basic rules for consistently winning at baccarat.

We have made the decision to be a player. A gambler is always subject to the mathematics of the gambler's ruin. Players can direct their fate. Surely baccarat is a game of chance, and there can be short run outcomes that run contrary to theoretical probabilities. A gambler can enjoy a great shoe now and then, but in making solid investment decisions shoe after shoe as players, we are turning off our gambling gene and finally able to enjoy the thrill of becoming a consistent winner at baccarat.

Please feel free to email me at [email protected] with your suggestions and comments.

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Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:08 PM
Many Thanks Bro n Sis,

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛

Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

MacauCasinoWorld.com is proud to welcome you our honoured visitors to our new series, Baccarat Great Learning from Zuan Xin, a Harvard educated baccarat professional in Fabulous Las Vegas!

In this series, you will be treated to a wealth of expert insight into the world of baccarat the grand game of Macau! Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!

Lesson 5
Lesson 4
Lesson 3
Lesson 2
Lesson 1


LESSON 2

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛


Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

By Zuan Xin



They say that Confucius astutely observed, "Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." That certainly holds true for baccarat. From now on, we players look for the beauty in the pattern of each shoe we play. We have stopped being lazy gamblers and started being hardworking players. We have admitted it is nonsense being too lazy to do the math and then blaming our losses on bad luck.

A problem the game of baccarat presents is data overload. Our job is to concentrate on the data that is useful and ignore the data that is not. Casinos provide scoreboards and scorecards. Why? To overload us with data so that we confuse ourselves. To what end? To take all of our money as fast as they can! After all, that is their business. So what do we do? We look for the beauty in each shoe.

Chinese New Year last, I was at a high end baccarat room on the fabulous Las Vegas Strip. A Hong Kong man and his beautiful wife were gambling. They diligently scanned the scoreboard, and marked their scorecard in traditional Chinese style, and used the eye catching 3 Row and 6 Row pattern tallies for betting analysis. Each betting decision was preceded by extensive animated discussion, watched over gleefully by their VIP hosts.

Inevitably, the casino efficiently reduced their tall stacks of yellow chips down to nothing. I saw them lose $125,000 in less than half a shoe, a cool $25,000 on the last decision alone. As they departed, I ventured to ask him to explain the basis of his last betting decision. His angry wife killed me with her stare. She did not see the beauty in that particular shoe, but there was beauty, much much beauty.

There are 4 rules that this example points out that I must teach us now. And we must follow them religiously. If we fail to follow any of our 4 rules, it is ultimately certain death for us at the baccarat table.

Rule 1. We must exercise total patience. When the shoe reveals an opportunity, then and only then do we place a bet. To practice our ability to follow this rule rigorously, we will attend a baccarat table for two consecutive shoes, tracking them, but never betting, not even once. When we can attend two consecutive shoes without betting, then we are ready to play and win. We wait for the shoe and enjoy the process by which it reveals itself.

Rule 2. Do not use any of our Chinese betting analysis methods. Forget about 3 Row and 6 Row pattern tallies, and any variations and combinations thereof, they are less than a waste of time. These methods do not stand up to logical analysis, they represent the worst seductions of circular reasoning, selectively using consequences to prove their antecedent. Baccarat is a game of chance. Its probabilities are a matter of analysis based on a very very large series of shoes, we certainly must not establish a probability for one shoe based upon itself. The high end baccarat managers here in Las Vegas send private planes and stretch limousines for the masters of our insane Chinese betting analysis methods. Pretty and deadly diagrams are these. We have our way of tracking the shoe and we are sticking to it, concentrating on it. We will learn our tracking method next time.

Rule 3. There is no pattern but there is a pattern of the patterns. Every shoe is unique, like a piece of raw jade. Millions and millions of different shoe patterns can be dealt out of the billion trillion possibilities. We use computers to play millions of shoes quickly, and the data matches up with statistics compiled on the casino floor. Based on standard procedures of play, the average number of hands per shoe will be 80. And on the average, out of those 80 hands there will 8 ties and 72 decisions.

We know the banker wins just slightly more often than the player. But the banker and player decision statistics are not useful data, except that we should hope that the opportunities each shoe reveals will be for the player so that we can avoid paying the 5% commission on the banker. Generally, the banker and player balance becomes roughly equal as the number of shoes analyzed goes beyond a month's worth.

These 72 decisions are our raw jade that is crafted into a beautiful jewel. On the average, these 72 decisions generate 36 runs of 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or more consecutive player hands or banker hands. Out of those 36 runs, 18 will be runs of 1, and 18 will be runs of more than 1. Out of those 18 runs of more than 1, 9 will be runs of 2, and 9 will be runs of more than 2. This pattern of patterns goes on and on like the brilliance of a jewel. The beauty we see in each shoe is the unique pattern of its 72 decisions out of its 80 hands dealt from its limited set of 416 playing cards.

Out of those 36 runs, we calculate that the average number of occurrences of a run of more than 8 or a chop of more than 6 is about 1 in every 3 and 1/2 shoes. The 1 and only 1 trend in a shoe is its mathematics. If we conjure up for ourselves any other trends and gamble, our stack of chips will disappear.

The pattern of the patterns represents the intrinsic beauty of the game of baccarat and is the reason it is the world's grand casino game. Let us resolve to appreciate the pattern of the patterns of baccarat and play each shoe in harmony with the intrinsic unalterable nature of the game.

Rule 4. Never never never never bet the tie bet. That is 4 times never. Tie betters are not players, they are sucker betters. Therefore we will not dishonor ourselves by discussing this further. Never bet the tie, don't even think about it, and ignore those who do. This same rule applies to all other side bets and betting propositions, and any baccarat game and rule variations.

Think 8 times over about our 4 rules. Next time we will learn our tracking method by replaying the winning moments of the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge won here in Las Vegas.

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:09 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/


LESSON 3

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛


Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

By Zuan Xin


Now we learn our method for tracking the shoe. Clear all other methods from your mind and concentrate on our method, created by and designed for players like ourselves.

It is extremely important to learn to track the shoe perfectly accurately. We do not depend on anybody else to track the shoe for us and we do not rely on the scoreboard displayed by the casino. We are players and we trust in ourselves and accept responsibility for our decisions at the baccarat table.





The red-on-gold table shows the hands dealt in the shoe for the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge we won here in Las Vegas. Amidst great excitement, we exercised total patience and we waited for the shoe, enjoying the process by which it revealed its beauty.



Click here for expanded view




The scorecard converts these data with our most useful method of tracking the shoe. All single digit numbers, black for a banker decision and red for a player decision, with thin straight lines at the top of a square to show the ties, a black line for a tie after a banker decision and a red line for a tie after a player decision. We make them thin and at the top because there can be more than one consecutive tie and we need room in that same square for the next decision. The purpose of our tracking method is to provide us with a snapshot of the pattern of the shoe for us to reckon against the known pattern of the patterns of the game of baccarat.

We keep that pattern of the patterns in mind now. Looking at the table, it is possible for us to notice these data: 80 hands, 8 ties, 72 decisions, 37 banker decisions, 35 player decisions. Then we may notice these data: 43 runs of 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 consecutive decisions, 25 runs of 1 consecutive decision, 18 runs of more than 1 consecutive decision. And we may notice these data: 10 runs of 2 consecutive decisions, 8 runs of more than 2 consecutive decisions. Finally we may notice these data: 6 runs of 3 consecutive decisions, 1 run of 4 consecutive decisions, 1 run of 5 consecutive decisions.


We repeat: the point of our tracking method is to effectively present these data to ourselves in order to be able to continually reckon the pattern of the current shoe against the known pattern of the patterns of baccarat. That is that!

When we track the shoe on the scorecard, we proceed from the 1st row at the top going down and from the 1st column at the left going across, keeping each row and column in sequence so that the data will jump right out at us during play. We note the tie hands exactly as described above and shown on the scorecard, never disrupting our sequences of relevant data. We write very clearly in the correct color using our two color pen. And we make certain sure that we know the correct result to enter!


For example, in the first ten hands of this shoe, we start with a banker decision, we track this by entering 1 in black in the 1st row at the top in the 1st column at the left. The next decision is also a banker decision, it is the 1st occurrence of more than 1 consecutive decision, we track this by entering 1 in black in the 2nd row below our 1st entry, still entering in the 1st column at the left because we are still seeing the 1st run of the shoe. Similarly, we track the next banker decision by entering 1 in black in the 3rd row below our 2nd entry, it is the 1st occurrence of more than 2 consecutive decisions. With the next decision a player decision, we note the start of the 2nd run of the shoe, moving on to the 2nd column just to the right of the 1st column, entering 2 in red. And so on.

As the decisions occur, the pattern of our shoe is quick and easy to reckon correctly against the known pattern of the patterns! Observe that each row is an orderly sequence of single digit numbers. We do not use two digit numbers because our tracking will become too difficult. We can see readily what sequence of 10 we are entering. After we enter 0 to mark the end of each sequence of 10, we start the new sequence by entering 1 when a future decision requires an entry in the box in that row further to the right. That's it!


Take some time to contemplate the information. We cannot emphasize strongly enough how important it is for players to track the shoe properly. Copy the scorecard exactly a few times to program your mind to be able to do it well amidst the noise of the baccarat table. Concentrate on readability. There is no time to try to decipher illegible tracking!

No matter what anyone tells you, our tracking method provides us with the relevant information we need presented in an unconfusing manner that is quick and easy to use. We see people writing down lots of irrelevant data, such as the final totals of every banker and player hand. A fundamental rule of decision making under uncertainty is: Do not confuse yourself!

We recommend selecting a baccarat buddy for your play. A baccarat buddy can ensure that his or her baccarat buddy tracks the shoe exactly, and maintains conformance with the proper playing method of a baccarat player. And a good baccarat buddy will prevent his or her baccarat buddy from devolving into a gambler who conjures up all manner of rationalizations for impulsive gambling instead of rational playing.

As we noted, the table and the scoreboard show the hands dealt in the shoe for the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge we won here in Las Vegas. The two best players in our Chinese baccarat community came together.

We were up against a very great player who excelled in our traditional Chinese baccarat playing methods, a first class gentleman known to many of the biggest baccarat players and professionals in America and Asia.

The two competitors were each placed in separate isolated rooms with a dealer to settle any bets placed, while the shoe was dealt out in the center room. This was a contest of playing methods where neither player had any knowledge of how his opponent was playing the shoe!

At the end, we emerged the winner. Our honorable opponent employed a most creative combination of all of the traditional playing methods, including those eye catching 3 Row and 6 Row pattern tallies that we consider less than worthless.

It is an accepted principle that the first test of a baccarat playing method is its average percentage of bets won and lost. As the tie bet is well known to be a significant casino advantage bet, tie bets are not considered in testing the usefulness of a playing method. If a playing method cannot pass this first test, no money management method placed on top of it can make it successful in the long run. Therefore, to distill the challenge down to a pure contest of baccarat playing methods, the winner was determined to be the player with the highest winning percentage.


A winning player bet was treated as 1 won and 0 lost. A winning banker bet was treated as 1 won and 0.05 lost. Any losing bet was treated as 0 won and 1 lost. A tie bet was treated as 0 won and 0 lost.

The winning moments of this most exciting challenge shoe can be seen in the table and found on the scorecard. Our honorable opponent, ever the gambler and proud of it, placed many many bets in accordance with his method, 70 bets in all, and proclaimed his legendary luck still invincible, achieving a 57% winning percentage, and he showed the wide and nervous smile across his sweaty face to match it, said smile only to be wiped off his face upon his learning that our winning percentage was an astounding 95% based on 1 single winning bet on the banker hand at Hand 44.

"Who plays baccarat like that?" asked the confounded former Number 1 baccarat player in Bet City. "Players," we replied with quiet confidence.

And the key to our victory? That we had the discipline not to place bets at Hand 28 and Hand 36 and Hand 66 and especially not at Hand 77!


Consider most very carefully what we have just read together. Next time we will discuss the key winning principles of a player.

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:11 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/



LESSON 4

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛


Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

By Zuan Xin


Now let us consider the key winning principles of a player. Please be sure to be familiar with the previous content.



This is number 4. How dare we number this our next in series as number 4? Only a gambler would ask such a ridiculous question. 4 comes after 3, and that is that. We are players now! We know that all the mathematics associated with the game of baccarat is beautiful, yes, beautiful.

Last time we described our baccarat buddy who will prevent us his or her baccarat buddy from devolving into a gambler who conjures up all manner of rationalizations for impulsive gambling instead of rational playing.

Our baccarat buddy asks, "What do all of these superstitions and shibboleths have to do with the game of baccarat?" Our baccarat buddy says, "4 is beautiful. The thousands of chengyu testify to it."





Let us recall that Confucius taught, " Things have a root and branches, events have an end and a beginning, know what is first and last, then be near the Way." Download the image of this saying and print it out and frame it and do not forget it. This saying most excellently states the number 1 key winning principle of a player.


We players know the game of baccarat. We players know the pattern of the patterns of the game of baccarat, so that we can place bets that are in harmony with the pattern of the patterns. We know that the game of baccarat is a game of chance, and therefore we do not allow the occurrence of improbabilities in any particular situations to invalidate in our minds the immutable underlying mathematics of the game of baccarat.

Gamblers and casino employees scoff at us, convinced that there is no pattern of the patterns of the game of baccarat. Gamblers who are losing dislike players who are winning. They also tell us to bet the tie bet, a bet well known to be a significant casino advantage bet! Not to mention their strange and ineffectual bending, folding, and other manipulations of the playing cards, as if they could magically change the value. They would also have us believe that 4 is bad and 8 is good, and tell us "this is different" when they lose on 4 when their banker 4 draws an 8. They repeat the worn mantra "the trend is your friend" even though everybody knows that that runs against the known intrinsic mathematics of the game.



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Let us take a couple of examples. 1st, here are the first 32 hands of a shoe dealt recently to a table full of VIP gamblers on the Las Vegas Strip. Download the Baccarat Great Learning blank scorecard and print it out and track the shoe according to our method that we explained last time. Be exact! Click here to compare the result with our finished scorecard. Now let us consider the opportunity that Hand 33 presents to us.




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We have already discussed the pattern of the patterns. It is an easy decision at Hand 33. We are looking at a situation of increasing improbability of this course of events, 1st, the continuing nonoccurrence of a run of more than 2 consecutive player decisions or 2 consecutive banker decisions, and 2nd, the lengthening of the already improbable sequence of 8 runs of 2 consecutive decisions to 9 runs. We place a bet on the banker hand. Based on our previous content, try to reckon the magnitude of the increasing improbabilities in this situation. This is a beautiful row 2 situation.

It was quite a hand! The player hand is a 7 of Hearts and a 9 of Hearts for a standing 6. And our banker hand is a 7 of Hearts and a 5 of Diamonds for a lowly 2. We are players, we enjoy the beauty of the shoe, and we trust in the fact that we know the game. We wait for the shoe to reveal itself. We place each bet according to our winning principles and we do not lose heart. And thanks to a most beautiful third card to our banker, a 7 of Diamonds, our banker hand is a happy winning 9.

Had our bet been a losing bet, we simply would have another even better opportunity in the next column to the right where we track the shoe into the 2nd row. Patience!

This is the number 2 key winning principle of a player. We place bets against the occurrence of what is increasingly improbable. That means we wait for the shoe to vary away from the pattern of the patterns and toward increasingly improbable occurrences.



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2nd, here are the first 26 hands of a shoe dealt the next day to another table full of VIP gamblers elsewhere on the Las Vegas Strip. Now print out another downloaded Baccarat Great Learning blank scorecard and track this shoe according to our method. Click here to compare the result with our finished scorecard. An opportunity presents itself at Hand 27.



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Again, it is an easy decision at Hand 27. We are staring at a situation of increasing improbability, that is, the exceedingly low frequency of occurrences of runs of 1 consecutive player decision or 1 consecutive banker decision. We place a bet on the player hand. Now try again to reckon the magnitude of the increasing improbabilities in this situation. This is a beautiful row 1 situation.

Now we watch a tie hand! On to Hand 28. Let the gamblers get all worked up over ties. We are players. Our bet stays in place. And now there is another tie hand! The table is now a noisy henhouse, but we let the gamblers and their dealers cluck over their double tie. We ignore them and their eye catching 3 Row and 6 Row pattern tallies. Our bet stays in place for Hand 29. Patience!

Hand 29 yields our probable player decision and our bet is a winner. And the shoe is still woefully poor of runs of 1 consecutive decision. Had our bet been a losing bet, we simply would have another even better opportunity in the very next column to the right where we track the shoe back into the 1st row at the start of a new run.






Of course, the number 3 key winning principle of a player is the money management principle. We will discuss our spectrum of money management methods next time using this example. This shoe is from the main room of a most exquisite casino, and it is heading into Hand 64. Track this shoe according to our method on another downloaded Baccarat Great Learning blank scorecard. Find the opportunities that reveal themselves, see the beauty of this shoe.

Doesn't it feel good to be a player?

Please feel free to email me at [email protected] with your suggestions and comments. The volume of email is growing so please be patient for our reply. Thank you!


We have noticed many emails inquiring about online baccarat. Online baccarat is a variation of the game of baccarat and therefore falls within the scope of Rule 4 of our 2nd Baccarat Great Learning. To be very specific, never never never never play online baccarat. That is 4 times never. To be a baccarat player, play baccarat in person at one of the many baccarat establishments in Macau. Use the links provided here at MacauCasinoWorld.com and arrange to visit marvelous Macau tomorrow!

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:12 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/


LESSON 5 (last lesson )

百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛


Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

By Zuan Xin


Last time we familiarized ourselves with the number 1 and number 2 key winning principles of a player. It is a good idea to review these principles 1 more time before reading further. We do not proceed further unless and until we have fully absorbed these principles!

There is no shortcut to becoming a player! Our harmonizing of our confidence in our knowledge of the game with our discipline to wait for the shoe to reveal sequences of increasing improbabilities is our way to choose not to be a gambler at the baccarat table.

Of course, the number 3 key winning principle of a player is the money management principle. Now we will discuss our spectrum of money management methods using the 3rd shoe from last time as our example. Recall that this shoe is from the main room of a most exquisite casino on the Las Vegas Strip, and it is heading into Hand 64. We have tracked this shoe according to our method on another downloaded Baccarat Great Learning blank scorecard.








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Money management can be a perplexing matter. None of us have the same exact financial circumstances and none of us have exactly the same level of indifference to short term fluctuations and risk.


Therefore it is essential that we are absolutely objective about our specific individual financial circumstances in order to be able to employ our knowledge successfully to win at baccarat. This is the money management principle.

As we delve deeply into this shoe, let us keep in mind the contents of Rule 3 of our 2nd Baccarat Great Learning about the pattern of the patterns of the game of baccarat. In the zoom view of our scorecard, we study closely the patterns of this shoe unfolding like a beautiful flower. The circled numbers represent the revealing of basic opportunities to place a bet on the immediately following decision. Advanced opportunities such as the 2nd example in our 4th Baccarat Great Learning will be addressed in our Chinese New Year special.



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Our minimally acceptable basic opportunity, no matter what our individual method of money management may be, is placing a bet against an occurrence when the increasing improbability of that occurrence reaches about 1 in every 3 and 1/2 shoes according to the known pattern of the patterns. This is the tight threshold.

That means we wait for the shoe to vary away from the pattern of the patterns and toward at least this level of increasing improbability. Some of us may be more disciplined and tighten our thresholds to the next level of improbability, about 1 in every 7 and 1/8 shoes, or even to the next level beyond that, about 1 in every 14 and 1/4 shoes. Notice that in the must-win situation of the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas, we established our threshold at the 3rd threshold, the tightest threshold, about 1 in every 14 and 1/4 shoes.

Now let us list the 15 possible basic opportunities that this shoe presents to players, culminating with a very outstanding basic opportunity being presented in the upcoming Hand 64. We say possible because each of us establishes our own specific criteria for placing bets and their respective amounts for each basic opportunity.

Study this listing carefully and understand it completely! Note that asterisks point out opportunities in the black numbered banker decision only shoe-within-the-shoe or the red numbered player decision only shoe-within-the-shoe.



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We observe that by Hand 64 the Row 2 situation has really blossomed! A beautiful blossom! In the red numbered player decision only shoe-within-the-shoe, we are looking at an extreme situation of increasing improbability of this course of events, 1st, the continuing nonoccurrence of a run of more than 2 consecutive player decisions, and 2nd, the lengthening of the already improbable sequence of 8 runs of 2 consecutive player decisions to 9 runs. The occurrence of that 9th run in the sequence of runs of 2 consecutive player decisions has an improbability of occurrence of about 1 in every 113 and 3/4 shoes according to the known pattern of the patterns.

We place our bet on the player hand, and we ignore the gamblers at the table who mock us because their talismans tell them there will be no runs of more than 2 consecutive player decisions. And we are content when the shoe finally reverts to the pattern of the patterns, delivering our long awaited 3rd consecutive player decision.

Be aware! These kinds of most extraordinary sequences are also extremely dangerous, in fact, potentially catastrophical. We have all experienced or heard the stories about very long chops or very long runs or very long sequences, and because a very long chop or a very long run or a very long sequence makes a powerful impression on our minds, we tend to form a belief that it occurs more often than it actually does occur. We know what the pattern of the patterns tells us, that these occurrences are extremely improbable, but we also must remember that a very long chop or a very long run or a very long sequence can occur in any particular shoe.

This is our greatest money management challenge, we must be able to manage our way through these potentially catastrophical sequences of occurrences without suffering a catastrophical outcome. Even if it means accepting a losing shoe.

In this shoe, our employing the principle of diversification of bets across the rows enables us to avoid the catastrophical potential of red numbered row 2 and achieve a net win of 7 and 3/4 units by the end of Hand 64. We then embrace prudence and invoke our end-of-shoe strategy, that is, to quit if we are ahead, and if not, to only place low unit bets, so as to not get caught in a minor or major catastrophical sequence that continues to the end of a shoe that fails to revert to the pattern of the patterns.

Now, keeping the money management principle in mind, we must experiment with these data, using as many different combinations of thresholds and betting formulas as is necessary for us to arrive at ourpersonal money management method that we have carefully fitted to our financial circumstances. Some of us may prefer to ignore the red numbered and black numbered shoes-within-the-shoe. Each of us must stay in tune with our particular financial realities. We must not ignore our sensitivities to short term fluctuations, and we must accept the fact that we will experience a losing shoe and take that fact into account.


We are players, and we concentrate on winning each and every shoe, because the shoe is the game! We can win if and only if we do not lose. If we can win more shoes than we lose, we are winners!

Next time is our Chinese New Year Special, and we will meet one of the outstanding baccarat players in Fabulous Las Vegas, a strikingly beautiful Hong Kong born Chinese lady whose nom de jeu is The Queen of Clubs. She will tell us about the shoe that gave her that name, and she will offer us some considered advice on how to make our Year of the Pig a red hot one for us at the baccarat table!

Please feel free to email me at zuanxinbaijiale@yaho[email protected] with your suggestions and comments. The volume of email is growing so please be patient for our reply. Thank you!

We are receiving many emails with very insightful comments and questions. We can see that many baccarat players are now in development! It is impractical to respond specifically to comments and questions that are ultimately related to underlying financial circumstances. Study and contemplate the content very diligently to understand the questions and their answers. Congratulations, we have completed the core of Baccarat Great Learning!

Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 05:13 PM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/



Baccarat Great Learning


百家樂大學 鑽鑫的哈佛

Baccarat Great Learning, from Zuan Xin

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The Last Hand
7 July ... Bet City Baccarat
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Most Very Important Advice
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Examination - Be Cautious / Have Confidence !
Extra - Doctor Huang Comes Back !
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Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Sounds interesting?
Baccarat is really 50/50. Although when you go macau or Gambling in Cruises or Genting.
You will see dragon trend. Well, just follow the crowd.

Sometimes when i deal, got dragon trend, people also dunno how to make use also no use. make wrong decision etc.

If on cruises, common room use shuffle machine so quite hard to keep track the cards, but if is using pre made shoe, you got super good memory best. can know what card come out already what to bet next.

Banker always have the upper hand, advantage.
The best is to buy Tie, player's pair, banker's pair. One guy last time, keep buying these every game. I think he made about 10000 on a 50 min table.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com


Hi Hyywes,


can tell how much a dealer earns at

a) LW
b) LJ
c) SA
d) Genting ?


Thanks

Mdm Tang
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Mdm Tang
12-11-2008, 11:07 PM
Asia Times 5 Sep 07
The casino that ate Macau
By Kent Ewing

HONG KONG - When the Venetian Macau, the world's largest casino, opened its doors last week, Macau completed its transformation from colonial backwater to the Las Vegas of Asia.

And, going strictly by the numbers, that transformation has been a winning bet. In the space of five years, thanks to its booming gambling industry, Macau has overtaken the Las Vegas Strip as the richest gambling market on the planet.

Consequently, the city's economy is surging, with per capita gross domestic product (GDP). surpassing neighboring Hong Kong's last year.

Despite the slick new casinos and bulging city coffers, however, Macau is in trouble.

The singular focus on turning the city into a gambling capital has skewed the economy, draining the labor pool and undermining other industries.

With the highest-paying jobs now available in casinos, a rising number of youth are dropping out of school to grab them, and there is also growing unrest among locals over the cheap foreign labor that has been imported to support the casino boom.

Moreover, corruption has raised its ugly head. The Venetian colossus has been jokingly called "the casino that ate Macau" by William Weidner, president of Las Vegas Sands Corp, which built the mega-resort.

For critics of Macau's single-minded growth strategy, Weidner's joke stands as a dark metaphor for the decline of other sectors of the economy in favor of gambling and for the social ills that have accompanied that decline.

For the moment, however, those voices are a cry in the wilderness of Macau politics, drowned out by the hype and hoopla surrounding the opening of the Venetian.

After all, it's hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale of the US$2.4 billion gamblers' paradise.

Until the Venetian opened it doors on August 28, the $240 million Sands Macau casino resort, which debuted in 2004, had set the standard for opulence. Ten times the size of the Sands, the 32-story Venetian boasts 850 gaming tables, 4,100 slot machines and 3,000 hotel suites - which in a single day accounted for a 65% increase in five-star hotel rooms on offer in the city. Add to that a 93,000-square- meter shopping plaza for 350 different retailers and a sports stadium that seats 15,000, not to mention 111,000 square meters of convention space.

In an attempt to re-create the charm and elegance of Venice, the resort will employ natty gondoliers to transport guests down canals that course through the largest single building in Asia. Indeed, the only building in the world larger than the Venetian was built to hold airplanes - the Boeing plant in Everett, Washington.

The Venetian will carry a payroll of about 15,000 employees, roughly 5% of the labor force in Macau, a city 60 kilometers southwest of Hong Kong with a population of 526,000 and a total land mass of about 16 square kilometers, 40% of which has been reclaimed from sea.

A sleepy Portuguese colony for 442 years, Macau reverted to Chinese rule in 1999. Macau officials hope the Venetian will not only attract the growing number of high- rollers on the mainland - where the economy continues its nearly 30-year miracle of high growth while gambling remains taboo - but also lead to a more diversified economy, enticing to shoppers and conventioneers.

Ultimately, the city hopes to rival Hong Kong as a convention and entertainment hub.

When the Venetian opened, however, with 3,000 people lined up at its doors in anticipation of the event, the main theme was clear. The opening date - August 28, or 8 /28 - was auspicious, as those are lucky numbers that signify "easy riches" in Chinese. And the casino opened at precisely 7:18pm. That's 19:18 on the 24-hour clock, which adds the number 9, which means "eternal", to all the good luck and riches already promised.

Numerology may have taken center stage, but the resort, which is perched on the reclaimed Cotai Strip, also staged an entertainment extravaganza that featured famous pop singers from Taiwan and Hong Kong as well as the Montreal-based Cirque du Soleil and American pop diva Diana Ross.

By all accounts, the opening was a smashing - and, of course, fulsome - success. That success is just the latest and most lavish addition to Macau's gambling culture since the city liberalized its gaming market in 2002 and invited moguls from Las Vegas, Nevada, to compete with Stanley Ho Hung-sun, the 85-year-old Hong Kong-born billionaire who had monopolized the industry for the previous four decades.

Now Macau's 26 casinos are generating more revenue than the 38 resorts on the Las Vegas Strip. Casino revenue in the second quarter of this year grew 48.9% year on year, to more than $2.4 billion. That came on top of first-quarter growth of 43.5%.

As a result of the gambling boom, huge construction projects have pushed investment up 44.4% in the second quarter. The good times should keep rolling as the $1.1 billion MGM Grand Macau and the $308 million Ponte 16 resort, financed in part by Ho, become part of Macau's gambling landscape this year.

Spurred by gaming revenue, the city's GDP growth for the year will exceed 20%, according to government projections. Macau's tourism industry is growing so fast - 26 million visitors are expected this year, and 30 million in 2008 - that the city's transport network has reached a breaking point.

A new ferry terminal, which will include a heliport, is being built on Taipa Island to ease the strain on two existing terminals, which deal with as many as 300 launchings a day. Macau's woefully inadequate taxi supplies will also need a big boost, and the government has proposed a 20-kilometer light-rail system.

Tellingly, however, the proposal has been pilloried by locals because it calls for the link to serve casinos while bypassing low-income areas.

The conflict over the light-rail proposal points to a larger battle over Macau's lost soul. Now that the city is a gaming mecca, problem gambling among locals is on the rise, as is casino-related corruption in the police force.

Ironically - thanks to taxes on casinos - spending on education is higher than ever, but an increasing number of students are dropping out of school in their late teens to take up casino jobs that pay as much as US$2,200 a month, twice the median income in the city.

And some of the young croupiers who work in one casino apparently gamble their earnings away in others. Highlighting the problem this summer, two young card dealers leaped to their deaths from highrise buildings after suffering big losses at the city's gambling tables.

The police are also not immune to the gambling fever. An immigration police officer turned loan shark has been arrested for financing the gambling habit of at least 15 of his colleagues, and another 24-year veteran of the force, a deputy sergeant, has been charged with embezzling $36,000 to cover his gambling losses.

Charges of corruption have reached the highest levels of government. Former secretary of transport and public works Au Man-long, the man who oversaw much of the casino- construction boom over the past few years, was arrested last December on charges of taking and offering bribes and money-laundering.

And a South China Morning Post investigation revealed last month that Macau's chief executive, Edmund Ho Hau-wah, holds an undisclosed, indirect stake in Stanley Ho's gambling empire.

Government information director Victor Chan Chi-ping issued a statement that the chief executive declared all his assets in accordance with the law when he assumed office in 1999 and that the suspect shares had been transferred to his brother, but that is impossible to verify, as the transfer documents have not been made public. Meanwhile, Hong Kong corporate filings show no record of the transfer.

The chief executive, once the darling of his political masters in Beijing, faces mounting criticism and labor unrest that has culminated in violent street protests.

On May 1, Labor Day in most of the world, 2,400 demonstrators turned out to decry official corruption and rail against illegal immigrants working in Macau's construction industry. One of the demonstrators' favorite chants was: "Edmund Ho step down."

When the protest turned into a riot, police fired warning shots into the air to disperse the crowd. A passing motorcyclist was apparently struck in the neck by one of the bullets. The 50-year-old man survived, but the reputation of Macau's police force - and that of city as a whole - took a big blow.

A similar protest also turned violent on the previous May Day. Clearly, despite the glimmering facade of the Venetian, all is not well in Macau.

Kent Ewing is a teacher and writer at Hong Kong International School. He can be reached at [email protected]

hyywes
13-11-2008, 01:47 AM
Hi Hyywes,


can tell how much a dealer earns at

a) LW
b) LJ
c) SA
d) Genting ?


Thanks


Hi Mdm Tang,

As for LJ, SA not too sure about it.
With regard to Genting, I think the dealer get around rm 800 to 1000 depending on the tips.

For dealers on star cruises, 1st contract they get 450USD. Those china and phillipino dealers. For Singaporeans and my fellow batch mates, they get $1000 + Sgd plus tips around there. But for Singaporeans that work there mostly got the job through recommendation from school.


Unlike, Casino in USA Vegas. My friend told me there are plenty of casino school and the course very low. Just complete the course and can work there as croupier. Think they getting around $3000USD plus tips total up to around 5K USD.

hyywes
http://crusing-adventure.blogspot.com

xiu018623
13-11-2008, 02:02 AM
I often go Lesiure world, but i dun understand how the rolling work.
any expert, can lecture on this ?

Thanks.

xiu018623
13-11-2008, 02:11 AM
There are many regular in LW.
do they make a living by going casino every day ?

Is it possible ?

ALso Silver fox, when is the right time to bet on banker ?
any tips ?

hyywes
13-11-2008, 02:31 AM
There are many regular in LW.
do they make a living by going casino every day ?

Is it possible ?

ALso Silver fox, when is the right time to bet on banker ?
any tips ?

Make a living? oh my, lol. for some yes. I havent since one so far who comes constantly on weekend to play when i working in SA. Those big VIP players who comes constantly is like their leisure playing, not for earning or living.
and guess what? they becomes richer.

There are 3 Roulette VIP players in SC who actually won few hundred K to millions sometimes per trip.

There is really no right or wrong time to bet on Banker. For references, you can check previous match up who win more Banker or Player. and whether got dragon trend or not. But generally banker has the advantage
as according to Tableu. e.g banker has 3 points from initial 2 cards, then player has 2 points, and third card is 8 for player so reduce to bacarrat and banker win without drawing. lets say players point initial is 0 to 5. then banker is 3 point, so the third card drawn if 8, player only win if thier initial point is 0 or 1. so the advantage here is already favour banker 4-2.

Some times the dragon trend is not like BBBBBBBB then PPPPPPPP
sometimes is like BBPBBPTBBPBBPT. You see this is also consider dragon
there is a pattern. so really have to see. sometimes really very zun. dun believe also cannot. like the best is player = 44 banker = 99 natural 8 tie game and both pair wins. Easy tie is like 7 point or 6 point always the player say easy tie.


Some player when playing on my table, always bet one sided like player or banker then end up losing end.

The best is go with crowd more ppl bet means hot table sure can win.
all 21 bet full maximum on betting box. U know the table 'pao tai' liao sure jiat.
hehe, better dun waste time go and bet big big.

Or u can play with those dealer whose face always black black one they sure pay u money one. dun play with those smile smile one sure kanna tok hehehe.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com

0939
13-11-2008, 03:10 AM
hyywes

If you will to go casino to bet baccarat. Since you already a dealer, you have seen how they bet. If you are going to bet. Tell us in your own view how will you bet.

hyywes
13-11-2008, 04:03 AM
hyywes

If you will to go casino to bet baccarat. Since you already a dealer, you have seen how they bet. If you are going to bet. Tell us in your own view how will you bet.

Sure, based on my experience and feedback from players themselves.
Can provide some opinion but win or lose dun blame me hor.. hehe

Those regular players who normally have a higher chance or winning when they bet both hot tables instead of sitting at one. So best if you can do multitasking and watch the situation of both tables. machiam like inspector.

Main thing is to follow the crowd, the more ppl there just follow them on what to bet. Warning though, know when to leave the table. You can almost sense when the winning streak for gamblers is going to end and the Dealer's luck is back. One example, i can give you is like you see when the dealer start paying constantly until the float is empty. then when the table is refill with chips from cage or their secondary float. This is the time when you have to be aware that whether turning point or not.

What do i mean? after the float is fill back with chips, normally dealer will have their luck back, quite scary one. i experience it myself, after pay pay pay then no more chips do chip fill then the customer bet what they lose.
then within 3 games, their winning all give back and become deficit.

Betting wise, the best is to bet on banker's pair tie and players pair, this is the one which give u bonus and insurance prior to your betting of player's or banker. Sometimes if you are lucky, the pair always come out like 5 or 6 times in 10 hands,I always encourage the players to bet those additional bets so wont lugi when they come out.

Most importantly, is the flexibility of betting. Like dont die die stick to player or banker if not, sometimes the dragon come out is opposite, then u will tulan like keep cursing.

For like a start, when the table just open they will give you free games normally 3 free games. Just make use of the free games. so you can see the statistics. Or when in the middle of game, you do not know where to bet on
always can place your chips on both player and banker to see which hand wins. One strategy to win also is to bet tie when you r unsure. This time is where the tie game will result usually.

Anybody played Caribbean Stud or Roulette? That one can share also if you like.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com

rofthelper
13-11-2008, 05:40 AM
Hi Bro & Sis, I just come across the following:

"Zuan Xin is a professional baccarat player in Fabulous Las Vegas who also coaches selected VIP baccarat players on baccarat mathematics and strategy. He won the 2005 Chinese baccarat challenge in Las Vegas.

Zuan Xin has also been featured in the Las Vegas Chinese Daily News. He is a graduate of world renowned Harvard College. Click on the links below and enjoy the Baccarat Great Learning!"

http://www.macaucasinoworld.com/baccarat_great_learning/

Can bro silverfox@ comment on Zuan Xin's tactics?

Is it workable?

alvin36
13-11-2008, 07:42 AM
Sure, based on my experience and feedback from players themselves.
Can provide some opinion but win or lose dun blame me hor.. hehe

Those regular players who normally have a higher chance or winning when they bet both hot tables instead of sitting at one. So best if you can do multitasking and watch the situation of both tables. machiam like inspector.

Main thing is to follow the crowd, the more ppl there just follow them on what to bet. Warning though, know when to leave the table. You can almost sense when the winning streak for gamblers is going to end and the Dealer's luck is back. One example, i can give you is like you see when the dealer start paying constantly until the float is empty. then when the table is refill with chips from cage or their secondary float. This is the time when you have to be aware that whether turning point or not.

What do i mean? after the float is fill back with chips, normally dealer will have their luck back, quite scary one. i experience it myself, after pay pay pay then no more chips do chip fill then the customer bet what they lose.
then within 3 games, their winning all give back and become deficit.

Betting wise, the best is to bet on banker's pair tie and players pair, this is the one which give u bonus and insurance prior to your betting of player's or banker. Sometimes if you are lucky, the pair always come out like 5 or 6 times in 10 hands,I always encourage the players to bet those additional bets so wont lugi when they come out.

Most importantly, is the flexibility of betting. Like dont die die stick to player or banker if not, sometimes the dragon come out is opposite, then u will tulan like keep cursing.

For like a start, when the table just open they will give you free games normally 3 free games. Just make use of the free games. so you can see the statistics. Or when in the middle of game, you do not know where to bet on
always can place your chips on both player and banker to see which hand wins. One strategy to win also is to bet tie when you r unsure. This time is where the tie game will result usually.

Anybody played Caribbean Stud or Roulette? That one can share also if you like.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com

hahaha.. I believe Bro SilverFox will not agree with what hyywes says...

I personally dont agree with what hyywes says too.. no offence though... and I'm not into any argument

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 01:34 PM
Hi Mdm Tang,

As for LJ, SA not too sure about it.
With regard to Genting, I think the dealer get around rm 800 to 1000 depending on the tips.

For dealers on star cruises, 1st contract they get 450USD. Those china and phillipino dealers. For Singaporeans and my fellow batch mates, they get $1000 + Sgd plus tips around there. But for Singaporeans that work there mostly got the job through recommendation from school.


Unlike, Casino in USA Vegas. My friend told me there are plenty of casino school and the course very low. Just complete the course and can work there as croupier. Think they getting around $3000USD plus tips total up to around 5K USD.

hyywes
http://crusing-adventure.blogspot.com


Hi Hyywes Thank you for the info....

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 01:41 PM
I often go Lesiure world, but i dun understand how the rolling work.
any expert, can lecture on this ?

Thanks.


i wanted to do "rolling" also but they said that since i am a VAL member
that i cannot "roll" .... i had wanted to "roll" with the "junket" , if i am correct
here, since you are not a VAL member then i think you need someone to intro
you to roll.

i think basically whatever cash chips you have (or when u have) you exchange with them for "their" chips. they will keep a note on the amount
you "exchange" or "roll" if you like. at the end of the day they will calculate
the total you rolled and if you a commission and cash (if you have balance of
"rollong" chips ) i think it is something like that...

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Can bro silverfox@ comment on Zuan Xin's tactics?

Is it workable?



Hmm "Zuan Xin" in chinese/mandarin means " full concentration" ahhh....

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Make a living? oh my, lol. for some yes. I havent since one so far who comes constantly on weekend to play when i working in SA. Those big VIP players who comes constantly is like their leisure playing, not for earning or living.
and guess what? they becomes richer.

There are 3 Roulette VIP players in SC who actually won few hundred K to millions sometimes per trip.

There is really no right or wrong time to bet on Banker. For references, you can check previous match up who win more Banker or Player. and whether got dragon trend or not. But generally banker has the advantage
as according to Tableu. e.g banker has 3 points from initial 2 cards, then player has 2 points, and third card is 8 for player so reduce to bacarrat and banker win without drawing. lets say players point initial is 0 to 5. then banker is 3 point, so the third card drawn if 8, player only win if thier initial point is 0 or 1. so the advantage here is already favour banker 4-2.

Some times the dragon trend is not like BBBBBBBB then PPPPPPPP
sometimes is like BBPBBPTBBPBBPT. You see this is also consider dragon
there is a pattern. so really have to see. sometimes really very zun. dun believe also cannot. like the best is player = 44 banker = 99 natural 8 tie game and both pair wins. Easy tie is like 7 point or 6 point always the player say easy tie.


Some player when playing on my table, always bet one sided like player or banker then end up losing end.

The best is go with crowd more ppl bet means hot table sure can win.
all 21 bet full maximum on betting box. U know the table 'pao tai' liao sure jiat.
hehe, better dun waste time go and bet big big.

Or u can play with those dealer whose face always black black one they sure pay u money one. dun play with those smile smile one sure kanna tok hehehe.

hyywes
http://cruising-adventure.blogspot.com


Dear Hyywes i like your views and have also tried it today... it works.... many thaks

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 10:36 PM
There are many regular in LW.
do they make a living by going casino every day ?

Is it possible ?

ALso Silver fox, when is the right time to bet on banker ?
any tips ?

Baccarat Rules and Strategy
Baccarat is not an exceedingly complex game, but it does have certain idiosyncrasies that take some getting used to. For instance, the banker hand and the player hand:

The casino is more than willing to offer the time-consuming ceremony to its largest bettors. In mini-baccarat, however, the dealer plays out both hands, with no fuss and in half the time.
The object is to bet on the two- or three-card hand that totals closer to nine. Tens and face cards all are worth zero points; all other cards are worth their face value, with the ace worth one point. If a total is more than 10, the second digit is the value of the hand. For example, a 9 and a 6, which total 15, make up a five-point hand.

[Etiquette

As in other table games, buy chips by placing cash on the layout and asking the dealer for change. The dealer is not allowed to take money directly from players' hands.

If you are the bettor with the largest wager on player and receive the player cards, do not look at them until both player and banker hands have been dealt. And if you hold the banker hand, do not look at the cards until the dealer has flipped the player hand faceup.

Baccarat players are allowed to keep track of the results of each hand, and most casinos provide score sheets and pencils to do so. Most players simply put an X in a column beneath "Banker," "Player," or "Tie."

Strategy

This is a pure guessing game. Which hand will win? The banker hand will win slightly more often -- 50.68 percent of all decisions, not including ties -- giving the house its 1.36 percent edge on player bets. But the house collects a 5 percent commission on winning banker bets, leading to the 1.17 percent house edge on banker.

Mathematicians long have suspected that baccarat, like blackjack, might be vulnerable to a card-counting system. But the best system yet developed appears to yield a slight edge to the bettor on the average of about one hand per eight-deck shoe. That's an edge not worth pursuing -- to have the advantage, the customer would have to count down hand after hand after hand, without playing, until this tiny advantage came to pass. The customer would lose more in time than he'd gain in the edge, and the casino would be unlikely to hold a seat for someone spending hours without placing a bet.

For the bettor, baccarat is a game of luck plus money management. Do not make bets too large for your available bankroll, and do not increase bets when losing. Making larger bets while chasing losses is a good way to go broke fast. If you're going to vary your bet size, increase it while winning and bring it down when losing. Set limits on your losses and stick to them.

If you sit down at a mini-baccarat table with $100, tell yourself you're not going to leave with less than $50. Then, if you have a cold streak and you hit that $50 mark, walk away. An important part of casino survival is developing the discipline to leave a table while you still have money.

Learn to walk away with winnings, too. If you have a good run and build that $100 up to $150, try one of these two techniques. Either put the original $100 in your pocket and just play with the $50 in winnings, while keeping that $50 loss limit, or adjust your thinking to tell yourself you'll not walk away from the table with less than $125. Then stick to it.

The longer you play a game with a negative expectation, even one as narrow as 1.17 percent, the more likely it is that the casino will grind down your bankroll. Walk away from the table with at least part of that bankroll intact -- not just at baccarat, but at any casino game -- and you'll be surprised at how much more often you wind up a winner for the day.

Baccarat is not necessarily the most popular game in a casino, but it can be just as exciting as blackjack or craps. Though the organization of the game can seem strange at first, the tips in this article should have you placing bets in no time.

Bets on Ties

Bettors also may wager that the two hands will finish with an equal number of points. Winning bets on ties pay off at 8-1. That sounds tempting, but this wager carries a hefty 9.5 percent house edge. Avoid it.

Etiquette

As in other table games, buy chips by placing cash on the layout and asking the dealer for change. The dealer is not allowed to take money directly from players' hands.

If you are the bettor with the largest wager on player and receive the player cards, do not look at them until both player and banker hands have been dealt. And if you hold the banker hand, do not look at the cards until the dealer has flipped the player hand faceup.

Baccarat players are allowed to keep track of the results of each hand, and most casinos provide score sheets and pencils to do so. Most players simply put an X in a column beneath "Banker," "Player," or "Tie."

Strategy

This is a pure guessing game. Which hand will win? The banker hand will win slightly more often -- 50.68 percent of all decisions, not including ties -- giving the house its 1.36 percent edge on player bets. But the house collects a 5 percent commission on winning banker bets, leading to the 1.17 percent house edge on banker.

Mathematicians long have suspected that baccarat, like blackjack, might be vulnerable to a card-counting system. But the best system yet developed appears to yield a slight edge to the bettor on the average of about one hand per eight-deck shoe. That's an edge not worth pursuing -- to have the advantage, the customer would have to count down hand after hand after hand, without playing, until this tiny advantage came to pass. The customer would lose more in time than he'd gain in the edge, and the casino would be unlikely to hold a seat for someone spending hours without placing a bet.

For the bettor, baccarat is a game of luck plus money management. Do not make bets too large for your available bankroll, and do not increase bets when losing. Making larger bets while chasing losses is a good way to go broke fast. If you're going to vary your bet size, increase it while winning and bring it down when losing. Set limits on your losses and stick to them.

If you sit down at a mini-baccarat table with $100, tell yourself you're not going to leave with less than $50. Then, if you have a cold streak and you hit that $50 mark, walk away. An important part of casino survival is developing the discipline to leave a table while you still have money.

Learn to walk away with winnings, too. If you have a good run and build that $100 up to $150, try one of these two techniques. Either put the original $100 in your pocket and just play with the $50 in winnings, while keeping that $50 loss limit, or adjust your thinking to tell yourself you'll not walk away from the table with less than $125. Then stick to it.

The longer you play a game with a negative expectation, even one as narrow as 1.17 percent, the more likely it is that the casino will grind down your bankroll. Walk away from the table with at least part of that bankroll intact -- not just at baccarat, but at any casino game -- and you'll be surprised at how much more often you wind up a winner for the day.

Baccarat is not necessarily the most popular game in a casino, but it can be just as exciting as blackjack or craps. Though the organization of the game can seem strange at first, the tips in this article should have you placing bets in no time.

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 11:48 PM
There are many regular in LW.
do they make a living by going casino every day ?

Is it possible ?

ALso Silver fox, when is the right time to bet on banker ?
any tips ?


What is the best bet? Or, how do I win?
The heart of the game lies in its patterns or streaks. Most casinos will offer pencils and blank charts in order to track the trends. Remember, it is streaks or patterns you seek.
Many baccarat strategists concentrate on riding the streaks, using a variety of money management theories to parlay their wins. Shoes start to develop characteristics, with Banker rolling off 5...6...7...8 or more wins in a row. The idea is to ride the streak: get on, then off at the right time.
Other shoes are described as "choppy:" Banker, Player, Banker, Tie, Player, Banker, Banker, Player, etc.
If you cannot discern a recognizable pattern, you have the choice of not betting at all. Remember, many baccarat players will buy-in, then sit and wait while the game is being dealt, searching for trends, observing patiently, then pick a spot.
Naturally, this approach requires great discipline.
Shoes do develop outstanding characteristics that can change as the hands progress. I have seen shoes that are absolutely delightful, with outstanding patterns that repeat time after time.
I know, there is not a great deal of logic to this, but I will submit that there isn't a great deal of logic to a shooter at a craps table making pass after pass, while at the next table over, the dice pass every 2 minutes, each shooter as cold as a glacier.
Same thing is true a player who has been losing a few, winning a few, but never really getting anywhere but mostly down, the house edge nipping away at the treasured bankroll. Then, out-of-nowhere he rips off 5 wins in a row. What is to account for this happening?
There have been numerous theories posed and written concerning mathematical deviations and streaks in gambling.
I will propose that if you see a noticeable pattern or streak develop, pay attention to it.
If there is a run of 6 bankers in a row, there is no reason that there can be another one.
There are some who upon seeing a run of three Bankers or Players, will bet against it, figuring it can't happen again.
It is important to remember that each event or deal, is totally independent of the preceding and following. But with this understanding, there are streaks that occur.
The old, "flip an unbiased coin 100 times" example will illustrate my point. That is too small a sample to get the results of exactly 50 heads and tails each.
The results will most likely be a deviation for one side or the other, possibly 54 heads to 46 tails. But, within the coin tosses, you will probably have small "runs" of 3, 4, or more of one side of the coin than the other.
The same holds true in baccarat. Despite the independent nature of these events, baccarat aficionados look for repetitious patterns in the game's outcome.
They will tell you that you can only lose once when betting into a streak, but lose many times betting against it.
I have personally witnessed regular runs of 5,6,7, or more on one side. Most recently I was watching a table where 21 Bankers in a row came out.
The fellow sitting next to me kept exclaiming, "There can't be more Bankers after 5 in a row," and proceeded to put his money on Player for another 6 hands.
He had lost 11 in a row when he finally switched sides. These are the shoes for which one dreams. Three weeks before, I witnessed 11 Players in a row.
Streaks are the easiest pattern to recognize, but there are also several others which are easy to follow as well. One has a pattern of several wins for one side then switches to the other then back.

Below are several common repeating patterns you will encounter sooner or later.
P-P-B-P-P-B-P-P-B-T-P-P-B-B-P-P-B-T-P-P-B
P-P-P-B-T-P-P-P-P-P-B-B-P-P-P-P-B
P-P-B-B-P-P-B-B-B-P-P-B-P-T-P-B-B-B-P-P
B-P-B-P-B-P-B-P-B-P-B-B-P-P-B-B-P-P

Whatever approach you take, consider baccarat. There is a reason this is the game of choice for the highest of rollers. One of them, author/publisher/player, Lyle Stuart (Lyle Stuart on Baccarat) sums it up:
"The Rule of Three says you either bet on the streak, or you don't bet at all...If you bet with the streak and you're wrong, you lose only one wager. If you bet against it and are stubborn, the casino will soon own your potato farm."

Mdm Tang
13-11-2008, 11:51 PM
There are many regular in LW.
do they make a living by going casino every day ?

Is it possible ?

ALso Silver fox, when is the right time to bet on banker ?
any tips ?


This is the hardest area for recreational gamblers to digest, simply because it requires you to come up with a betting scheme to dovetail with your gambling theories to maximize your profits.
Translated that means: bet smart to win big.
From old timers to some of the more astute gamblers on the Strip, the best money management strategy can be reduced to this simple directive: bet slow and small when you are losing and bet more when you are winning (see the information on streaks above).
In other words, one of the worst things you can do is "chase" your losses. This means betting more and more until you finally win. I have seen losing streaks of as many as 10-15 hands.
It seems like you are a genius when you are making the right decisions and winning and a torrid loser when you couldn't name the missing letter in the word m-o-n-y.
You need to account for these possibilities.
If you are a $5 bettor, increase your bet to $10 or $15. When you lose, decrease it back to $5. On the other hand, if you keep losing, change tables.
Don't be afraid of that four letter word: walk.
One other tip: if and when you win, don't give it back. Try not to think of your winnings as "theirs."
You've won and it isn't their money any longer. Do you honestly believe casino-managers take your money thinking, "Ah-ha, now I'm playing with their money."
If you won the money, it is yours, period.