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rofthelper

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Aiyo, now you also can go on board. Free Buffet Food. Free trip considered if you change non-negotiable chips.

If you never change any single chip, got free food, free transport. No casino invite you:p

Bro, btw are you familiar and experienced with Texas hold 'em? Any poker tips for novice player like me?
 

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Hi bro, I read your threads and find it very interesting that you can make a living out
of gambling. I am not a compulsive gambler and never believe I can always win. When ever I am in a casino, I do bet. I always believe in prepare to lose than to win.

In your theory, can you tell me how you can win 20 per cent with a bankroll of $1000.
In Baccarat is 50-50 odds. From what I see, you favour Player. Can you illustrate the step by step betting until you reach your 20 per cent mark winnings. I would glad to learn from you.

Nope I never favour Player bets.

Between Banker, Player and Tie, I never buy Player and Tie.
Playing Baccarat, people love to buy either Banker or Player, maybe plus occasionally Tie. But by doing this, one is actually exposing his risk of losing to 2 sides.

So by concentrating on buying on 1 side which is Banker, the probability of losing is halved by 50% compared to buying on Banker or Player.

In order to start winning, first must start on losing less. When one lose less, any wins can easily cover the losses. So a lot of people have the mistaken concept of going into casino thinking how to win more, when its actually on how to lose less. When you can stop the loss, the profits will come.:p

Generally, I find playing to win Baccarat is very very very boring. To make it fun, is to guess the outcome. And that normally ends in losses.
 

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When you can stop the loss, the profits will come./QUOTE]

Thanks for your reply. I can see you are a careful bettor. When you gamble, one must always prepare to lose. That is when you know when to stop. Like
going to war, you may lose your first battle but not the war.
You said" profits will come". In gambling it is always 50-50, unlike war you use strategies for your next encounter.
Can you elaborate more on this? Do you rely on luck or your instinct?
Perhaps future gamblers will be well prepared for the coming IRs in S'pore.
 

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Thanks for your reply. I can see you are a careful bettor. When you gamble, one must always prepare to lose. That is when you know when to stop. Like
going to war, you may lose your first battle but not the war.
You said" profits will come". In gambling it is always 50-50, unlike war you use strategies for your next encounter.
Can you elaborate more on this? Do you rely on luck or your instinct?
Perhaps future gamblers will be well prepared for the coming IRs in S'pore.

I love to use mathematics and statistics, so here goes

Let's say for instance, every gambler is supposed to win 100 units in X amount of playing time.

Why is it Gambler A can win 10 units after 5 hours of playing while Gambler B can hit losses of 20 units.

The key is in losing less.

First of all one must understand the game you are playing very well. Rather than knowing to play all games in a casino, (Roulette, Pontoon, Blackjack, Baccarat, Three Picture, Pai Gow, Carribean Stud Poker, Texas Hold'Em Poker....) Just concentrate on 1 game.

For eg Baccarat, just observe that 99% of people's betting patterns. They choice of bets is either Banker, Player, Tie. So they are exposed to 3 sides.
A person who concentrates his bets on Banker only and another who diversifies on 3 sides, actually doesn't mean the one who makes choice on Banker, Player, Tie will win more. In fact, when one does that, he exposes his risk of losing to 3 sides. The one who bets on Banker only exposes his risk of losing to 1 side.

There is no point in relying on luck. Because today you can be very lucky. Tomorrow you can be very unlucky. That is why I said one must understand the game very well.

In Baccarat, the game is played over 8 decks.
I can say 90% of people who play Baccarat as past time, do not know the conditions of when the player need to take 3rd card, when the banker need to take 3rd card. So when one is ignorant of the rules, they have a very high chance of losing.

That is why I go casino, I don't waste time playing games which I am not familiar with. I just play Baccarat. :o
 

rofthelper

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That is why I go casino, I don't waste time playing games which I am not familiar with. I just play Baccarat. :o

Understood. :wink:

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(
 

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Understood. :wink:

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(

for me, i believe that all these ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... have no logical sense. You see... every game is independent. The result of past 20 games will have no impact of the 21st game. right ?

for example, after 19 straight BANKER, and the 20th game is PLAYER, there is still no way to predict the result of 21st game. It is always and will be forever the same odds for each indiviadual game.
 

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Understood. :wink:

Can I roughly know, before you sit down on a Baccarat table, inside you how you determine whether the chance of banker or player will hit in your first wager? Roughly how many misses will you jump to the next table?

The reason I'm asking is that, before I placeD my wager, I always get affected by all those ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... :(

Every result is independent. And I can only say I do card counting. A counting where when it favours banker, I will buy Banker. I don't look at the thrends, simi pingpong, what banker streak, player streak. its all bullshit and coincidence
 

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Every result is independent. A............I will buy Banker. I don't look at the thrends, simi pingpong, what banker streak, player streak. its all bullshit and coincidence

I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.
 

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for me, i believe that all these ping-pongs, doubles, or the "回头一笑".... have no logical sense. You see... every game is independent. The result of past 20 games will have no impact of the 21st game. right ?

for example, after 19 straight BANKER, and the 20th game is PLAYER, there is still no way to predict the result of 21st game. It is always and will be forever the same odds for each indiviadual game.

One also have to agree that our Universe are also filled with many mysteries, henceforth we cant be for sure what governs the law of probability eg, maybe the past results may have an impact on the outcome.

I have gambled for many years, ponder upon the law of chance many yrs, thought of all the different systems to play against casinos, have done research on the results of baccarat, roulette. Regarding baccarat, based on my research using 8 decks of cards, I noted that the dragons, banker or player, dont exceed more than 30 times in a row. If the past have no effect on the future outcome, then how do one explain the fact that the dragons dont exceed a certain amount of times in a row. One can say, "Oh its just a coincidence" but this is just too simple an excuse. I am not suggesting that the past have an outcome on the results but I am just saying that there are many unknowns and statistics are very real and important.
 

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I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.

I have to believe that, you are damn lucky at that time. :wink:
 

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I fully agree with you on the above. I am glad to find someone who's playing style is very similar to me. When I play baccarat, I only play Banker, nothing else.

My greatest achievement was a time when I won sg$100k in Genting highland many years ago with just only 1k, just playing ONLY Banker.

Wow, that's a very big achievement in itself.

Buying Banker only, will enable us to lose less and capitalise on winning.
My recent visit with a friend of mine, he brought $100K Ringgit capital, in 3 nights won after conversion $50K SGD just on Baccarat, and he only buy Banker selectively. My bets not as big as his, so I didn't won that much.
His one single bet is $2K Ringgit, progressively increase to $3K and then $4K. Mine is sometimes $800, $1000. As I didn't bring that much capital as him.

But basically me and him had the same school of thoughts. I do statistic calculation, he do money management on bankroll, so we combine our analysis often.
 

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Tsk tsk tsk.... people never learn... *sigh*
I grew up in gaming dens since the day I was born till my army days (my grandfather operated one in chinatown and my mother was helping to run several others in balestier / river valley area). In all my 50+ years of life I have yet to see any gaming operator lose $$$ to this day...... that's why I always prefer to be on their side n work for them :biggrin:
 

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great say sliverfox pal.

I knw I can always win. but i still yet to overcome my greed. Which is normal. I am not hardcore player. but i do set aside. once lose SGD 1K. i stop. just like silverfox pal. i play only barca. and my method is always double up.

to be honest. i always win. once I win. I start to place big bet, and that where i start to lose.

I will have to need more time to train myself. waiting for SG IR to open. and i will happy to make SGD 500/day. Say is always easy. To do it. one need to overcome the greed within.

my biggest win is so far 30K RM. within 2 hrs with 2000RM capital.

Any advice on my method silverfox pal.
 

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Tsk tsk tsk.... people never learn... *sigh*
I grew up in gaming dens since the day I was born till my army days (my grandfather operated one in chinatown and my mother was helping to run several others in balestier / river valley area). In all my 50+ years of life I have yet to see any gaming operator lose $$$ to this day...... that's why I always prefer to be on their side n work for them :biggrin:

Not trying to dispute what you said is wrong, but not going to agree with you wholeheartedly either.

First of all it depends on what kinds of games that the casino operates. I can only say in your 50+ yrs of life you have never seen any gaming operator lose $$$, I may agree, but maybe you have not seen how people have been playing professionally and winning money consistently.
 

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great say sliverfox pal.

I knw I can always win. but i still yet to overcome my greed. Which is normal. I am not hardcore player. but i do set aside. once lose SGD 1K. i stop. just like silverfox pal. i play only barca. and my method is always double up.

to be honest. i always win. once I win. I start to place big bet, and that where i start to lose.

I will have to need more time to train myself. waiting for SG IR to open. and i will happy to make SGD 500/day. Say is always easy. To do it. one need to overcome the greed within.

my biggest win is so far 30K RM. within 2 hrs with 2000RM capital.

Any advice on my method silverfox pal.

If you have not overcome your greed, how will you know you will always win?:p

When you always win, you start to place big bet, that is normal, Happens to 90% of all gamblers. And that is when they start to lose. Out of this 90%, 90% will lose. The remaining wins purely on luck.

If you are happy to make $500SGD/day, question is how much capital will you bring to the casino? $500? $1000, $10,000?

Double up method is sure-fire way of losing in casino. This is one of the very bad habits and the casino just love people who do that.

When I mention winning, (read few posts back), I already said many times, minimise exposure to losing. That is to just buy Banker if you wish to place a bet. Never one moment, buy Player, then you like it, buy Banker, then again buy Player again. This will confirm lose. If you win, just plain lucky. No one can do that consistently.

Next thing is bankroll. I see people bet $100 but bring $2000 to the casino, thinking can win big money. It's not even enough. When I said my friend won $50K SGD, his first night won $30K ringgit and that is when he bring 100K ringgit in with each bet at $2K. That is a comfy 50 units to start off with.
Want to bet big, bankroll must be big. Want to win big and expect to have small bankroll to manage, will be no different to commit suicide in casino.

When people see a big player bet big, they bet big too, But they never knew how much bankroll he has to finance. By the time lose 5 in a row, most would be licking wounds but the guy with the biggest bankroll can still sustain another assault.

I be honest with you, your bankroll of $1000, is enough for $20 a bet. Can you take it or not? A lot of people think it is very boring to bet so small cannot see much winnings and start to be comfortable and bet bigger when they win $100-$200. That is when the casinos kill. Most of the time, the casino don't kill, its people succumbing to greed that loses. :o
 

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Games I seen in Genting, since its nearest(not including cruise ship, as i don't include them as decent full-fledged casino)

1) Mini-Baccarat
2) Roulette
3) Tai-Sai
4) Three Pictures
5) Three Card Poker
6) Carribean Stud Poker
7) Pontoon (aka Blackjack but not so)
8) Pai Gow
9) Casino War
10) French Boule
11) Money Wheel and other small games


The ones which are the most popular are Roulette and Mini-Baccarat, as you see a lot of tables.

1) Roulette is a game where I feel unless the one who spins the ball is very well-trained and do 100 spins at consistent speed (hardly possible) or the wheel is biased (meaning to say after spins over number of years, the wheel is more tilted), if not it would not be possible to know the results

2) Tai-Sai is dice game. Housed edge will bring down player slowly.

3) Pontoon, another version of Blackjack. This game the basic strategy says split, double down, but real life experience I have seen when players start splitting, double down, the dealer will be able to win almost all the players. So what book says and real life is different. And the house edge increase greatly because of different people who plays differently. So its a dynamic game where a dynamic way has to be used in order to win. This one I will probably share it another day.

4) Three-Picture is getting popular, but this game is basically one of the most useless game and luck is highly dependable in order to win.

5) Baccarat is the only game where the gambler has the best odds. Because unlike games eg, Pontoon, you can only stake at Player, but Baccarat is the game where you have the choice to bet either on Banker, Player, Tie. Casinos have known to incur financial losses when big whales win big on Baccarat. However 1 big whale is equivalent to many small fishes so long run, casino still make.

I am not saying this just because I play Baccarat only. Contrary, I find Baccarat is the most boring game in casino. It has no excitement, no thrill unlike games such as Roulette, 3-picture. But the motive of going to a casino is not to find thrill like a tourist gamer. My motive is to win. So take it like a job. Most people hate their jobs and yet they still do it. Likewise, i have to do it even though I think its boring:o
 

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Gambling is not a get-rich-quick scheme. If it is, everyone would have gotten rich fast.

It is a get-rich-slowly scheme, just like working.

Hard to explain in words but philosophically, this is a way of life.
 

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Gambling is not a get-rich-quick scheme. If it is, everyone would have gotten rich fast.

It is a get-rich-slowly scheme, just like working.

Hard to explain in words but philosophically, this is a way of life.

Sliverfox pal.

That I utterly agree with you. When I play barca, I place bet base on the previous result.

I truly winning everytime I start placing bet in Genting. I will base on your advice, try it out in Genting again... hmmmmm... Have yet to visit genting since 2006. By the way. I never stick one table, I always jump table. Once I hit 500-1000RM. I will jump to other table or walk around for awhile to cool myself down.

Wish me luck Sliverfox dude. Cheers
 

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If I will place a $100 bet in baccarat, what will be my capital?
Do I change my capital to all to chips?
 
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