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Investor

19-11-2010, 03:37 AM

I know of Malay bumi working in Singapore as a professional.. Bought 9 houses in East Ledang, Horizon Hills etc. IS that you? :)

good that u buy one, as 2012 will see East Ledang starting to "connect" I believe your value will go up dramatically when the professors and professionals from the establishments and universities and the headmen from Kota Iskandar stays full force in Iskandar. I would say 2015 is the best year.

Haha, I'm Singaporean Chinese and I only have 3 units in total, that's far from 9 units :). Actually I like Horizon Hills for its vast landscape, unblock views of the Horizon and cool fresh air from the greenery of the golf course right beside your house :) You can't get that kind of quality living in Singapore unless you pay 10-20 times more. Preference and likings aside, property investment is all about location, thus I've chosen East Ledang instead.

I agree with you about price appreciation of properties in Nusajaya in near future when professionals and high level executives arrive in Nusajaya, but I wouldn't have invested in Nusajaya if it only has EduCity and Kota Iskandar. In the contrary, Nusajaya city is a whole new City in the making. As most of us here already know, other than just EduCity and Kota Iskandar(Johor's State Admin Centre), Nusajaya City also comprises of:

Iskandar Financial District(Medini),
Afiat HealthPark,
International Destination Resort(13.8 times bigger than our RWS + MBS),
SiLC Nusajaya(Southern Industrial and logistics Clusters),
Puteri Harbour
Nusajaya Residences(East Ledang, Ledang Heights, HH, Nusa Idaman and Nusa Bayu)

In fact, the Financial District Medini itself is not just a Financial District, it has an area of 2225 acres, vast enough for the overall development in Medini to be divided into three distinct clusters with separate themes, namely Lifestyle and Leisure, Cultural, and the Iskandar Financial District. Thus, other than Commercials, there are also theme park(Legoland), golf village like Horizon Hills, wellness village, shopping malls, condos, sea front residences, public parks etc.

Puteri Harbour, other than being just a marina, also has in-door theme park, hotels, commercial buildings, condos and water front bungalows.

The list goes on and they are stated in all the individual developers wedsite, I'm only capable of mentioning some highlights :)

Investor

19-11-2010, 04:02 AM

One thing I like about the development of Nusajaya City is that the whole development is controlled by one ultimate developer, UEM Land. Why? It is to ensure the success of Nusajaya City. If UEM just sell 10 different parcel of land in Nusajaya City to 10 different developers and let them develop at their own free will, the city will become a mess as individual developer's only target is 'profit', they won't be bothered to improve infrastruture like spending money to build better roads etc. Eg, Horizon Hills is part of Nusajaya City and UEM land found Gamuda and formed a 50-50 joint venture to develop HH. Some parts of Nusajaya City like Educity and Medini is under the charge Iskandar Investment Berhad(IIB) instead, but IIB is higher in Hierarchy than UEM =)

danteakc

19-11-2010, 06:41 AM

By the way, a lot of car repairs, mud guard, respray ($800-$1000) at the Bukit Indah area. Can haggle, tyre punctures is $5 RM, crankshaft clip replacement $18, korean or local car engine mounting (set of 4) 200 - 700 RM

Food at Station One cafe(not bad the chicken chop) - Typically less than 70 RM for 2 persons for a sumptious meal.

You can get their version of hi card easily, also remember for those staying near Bukit Indah, some of the coffeeshops do take outs for seafood as well as western food. Delivery charge is 1 RM and normally covers until 1am.

There is also a very very nice Indian food joint that is open 24 hours near the Alliance bank. Their nasi brani and nasi lemak not bad, their prata too. There is also a new Korean restaurant nearby there that is a bit pricey but pretty authentic. :)

Are you sure? The one we went at Mount Austin, the girls look like shanghai but they don't take order with paper and their spices are too thick and chilli.

dapbest

19-11-2010, 08:35 AM

Haha, I'm Singaporean Chinese and I only have 3 units in total, that's far from 9 units :). Actually I like Horizon Hills for its vast landscape, unblock views of the Horizon and cool fresh air from the greenery of the golf course right beside your house :) You can't get that kind of quality living in Singapore unless you pay 10-20 times more. Preference and likings aside, property investment is all about location, thus I've chosen East Ledang instead.

I agree with you about price appreciation of properties in Nusajaya in near future when professionals and high level executives arrive in Nusajaya, but I wouldn't have invested in Nusajaya if it only has EduCity and Kota Iskandar. In the contrary, Nusajaya city is a whole new City in the making. As most of us here already know, other than just EduCity and Kota Iskandar(Johor's State Admin Centre), Nusajaya City also comprises of:

Iskandar Financial District(Medini),
Afiat HealthPark,
International Destination Resort(13.8 times bigger than our RWS + MBS),
SiLC Nusajaya(Southern Industrial and logistics Clusters),
Puteri Harbour
Nusajaya Residences(East Ledang, Ledang Heights, HH, Nusa Idaman and Nusa Bayu)

In fact, the Financial District Medini itself is not just a Financial District, it has an area of 2225 acres, vast enough for the overall development in Medini to be divided into three distinct clusters with separate themes, namely Lifestyle and Leisure, Cultural, and the Iskandar Financial District. Thus, other than Commercials, there are also theme park(Legoland), golf village like Horizon Hills, wellness village, shopping malls, condos, sea front residences, public parks etc.

Puteri Harbour, other than being just a marina, also has in-door theme park, hotels, commercial buildings, condos and water front bungalows.

The list goes on and they are stated in all the individual developers wedsite, I'm only capable of mentioning some highlights :)

Yes I also like HH and I am looking to buy a bungalow as the value is just S$1 million and slightly above. Vast land space within the bungalow with fantastic view. Biut I was recently told that 3 storey bungalows are sold out. Waiting for new launches now.

East LEdang, in the longer term, say 5-10 years will reap better investments than HH as ELedang units are not like HH ( HH got 5000+ units ) and Eledang location is centralised, near to Singapore and inside the HQ of the Nusajaya. High-end professionals and professionals working in Singapore will stay there. AFterall, a condo in Singapore cost expats some S$5000 on average.. In East ledang bungalow, the rental can be S$4000 at most..

Investor

19-11-2010, 10:35 AM

Yes I also like HH and I am looking to buy a bungalow as the value is just S$1 million and slightly above. Vast land space within the bungalow with fantastic view. Biut I was recently told that 3 storey bungalows are sold out. Waiting for new launches now.

East LEdang, in the longer term, say 5-10 years will reap better investments than HH as ELedang units are not like HH ( HH got 5000+ units ) and Eledang location is centralised, near to Singapore and inside the HQ of the Nusajaya. High-end professionals and professionals working in Singapore will stay there. AFterall, a condo in Singapore cost expats some S$5000 on average.. In East ledang bungalow, the rental can be S$4000 at most..

Wow congratulations, hope you'll get your dream bungalow soon, enjoy luxury living for free and yet get paid for enjoying it for years, if you know what I mean :) Its a once in a lifetime opportunity for generation like mine who missed the chance to profit from SG properties. I'm making sure I don't miss this chance :)

Investor

19-11-2010, 06:56 PM

Bros, don't go to apply for the MACS. I went there today with family, thinking of doing the application. Wasted trip.

Turns out you have to apply first online and get it approved, etc. You also need a long term visa, a sponsor or the MM2H thing to get this.

Else, you will have a wasted trip so don't go down for this until you got the details right.

Just wondering if you've applied for MACS yet? My dad, a friend and myself just applied for it at Tuas checkpoint's MACS office. Just bring a passport size photo and RM30, fill in the application form and you'll get it in 15mins. No need long term visa, sponsor or whatsoever. It pretty simple and straight forward.

dapbest

19-11-2010, 09:57 PM

Wow congratulations, hope you'll get your dream bungalow soon, enjoy luxury living for free and yet get paid for enjoying it for years, if you know what I mean :) Its a once in a lifetime opportunity for generation like mine who missed the chance to profit from SG properties. I'm making sure I don't miss this chance :)

Yes. Its quite clear Nusajaya is like Singapore properties in the 1970 and 1980s where properties are still quite affordable and reasonable. I mean, the time when u can actually buy good landed @ below $ 1 million. But the time wont last long. Nusajaya is heading towards KL direction.. the environment of international education institutions, theme parks, various attractions etc.

I wont sell all my Singapore properties as I hope to have investments in both place. Afterall, Nusajaya is just a place for me to park my money when Singapore banks are no longer lending me money due to my servicing of existing loans. I was told that Malaysia banks dont care about your committment in Singapore.. that means its a fresh financial sheet for me if i take property loans in JB!

dapbest

19-11-2010, 10:03 PM

[QUOTE=Investor;609720]Haha, I'm Singaporean Chinese and I only have 3 units in total, that's far from 9 units :). Actually I like Horizon Hills for its vast landscape, unblock views of the Horizon and cool fresh air from the greenery of the golf course right beside your house :) You can't get that kind of quality living in Singapore unless you pay 10-20 times more. Preference and likings aside, property investment is all about location, thus I've chosen East Ledang instead.

Iskandar Financial District(Medini),
Afiat HealthPark,
International Destination Resort(13.8 times bigger than our RWS + MBS),
SiLC Nusajaya(Southern Industrial and logistics Clusters),
Puteri Harbour
Nusajaya Residences(East Ledang, Ledang Heights, HH, Nusa Idaman and Nusa Bayu)

Yes even if anyone of those above named failed to materialise, it wont stop the capital appreciation of property values in Nusajaya. Already, those Bumis holding land in Gelang patah has seen their kampongs and land value rising by at least 50% almost every year! IT used to be almost FREE land before the IDR was announced by Badawi. I remembered those infamous mat rempit roaming the highways near Gelang Patah racing against once another and numbers over 100. Now at least they are not so notorious in Gelang patah

I am looking forward to the complete construction of Puteri harbour, Medini and Legoland together with the various universities. Once pieced together in 10 years time together with the coastal highway, it will become a self-substained town with Singapore standard but Mudland's price. Wow!

Investor

20-11-2010, 05:19 AM

louischin78

20-11-2010, 01:17 PM

louischin78

20-11-2010, 01:25 PM

Hi all ,

I am thinking to commit to a link house unit which is 24*75 with 2550SQfeet built up area for RM 466K . It come with free Non-Golf coub membership. Its on one of the highest ground of The Golf Precint . Is this a good buy ? According to the sales the previous link house does not actually come with any free club membership. Is it any true ?

Regards,
Louis

euphony

21-11-2010, 02:37 AM

am happy to see a vibrant community here. for those commuting via causeway, next week will see us using the new bridge. finally no more F1 style navigation (which is perfectly fine except for the fact that its jammed mostly and obstructed by bikes otherwise). i hope traffic will be much much smoother from then. one worry is how the lorries merge to the bridge (they come from the 'wrong' side from JB checkpoint).

as to the cars becos i drive conti don't dare to make any service repairs in jb since oem parts are still cheaper in sg. but will do small stuff like tyre rotation & get 2nd opinion before headin back to sg to prevent getting chopped.

I checked things like engine oil, pint for pint its still cheaper in sg (cos not MY brands la). I used to use cheaper alternatives of engine oil to try out find that they don't last and the engine becomes very rough afterwards (~4 months). So gone on to buy notable brands am on schaeffer 9k now 2 thumbs up.

bro wuqi: do u have a contact number for emergency tow services you trust? thanks for bringing up reminder a few pages back on the forum.

sillysinky: we'll be neighbors! i also looked upon tebrau/austin area favorably bought a place there and hopefully can move in when TOP hopefully coinciding with EDL completion. That'll really smooth things up getting to SG & heading back. btw there's a way to get to austin via adda heights bypassing tebrau highway much much smoother traffic and i chanced upon whilst examining the google map. only 5 traffic light junctions, 1 of which usually green when i pass. go from woodlands pass the shell get onto bridge and then exit, go onto highway exit at datin halimah interchange and straight course all the way till pasir gudang highway (use after/before peak hour). - info for others if you're fed up using tebrau highway. haha.

dapbest

21-11-2010, 03:00 AM

Hi All,

I am thinking to commit to a link house at The Golf Precint , 24*75 with a built up area of about 2500sq feet . The price is RM466K and come with free Non Golf membership . Is this a good buy ? Does the earlier phase come with the free club membership ? The sales told me that previous unit does not come with the club membership , is it true ? Any advise is greatly appreaciated .

Regards,
Louis

Beware of the so-called Golf membership. You still have to pay for other fees amount to RM 100+ per day at least if u want to play golf under membership.

The price is good but if u are a Sinkie, maybe u can buy as minimum value has gone up to RM 500k, unless the sales ex state otherwise as I heard that certain units they close one eye

Investor

21-11-2010, 04:05 AM

Hi All,

I am thinking to commit to a link house at The Golf Precint , 24*75 with a built up area of about 2500sq feet . The price is RM466K and come with free Non Golf membership . Is this a good buy ? Does the earlier phase come with the free club membership ? The sales told me that previous unit does not come with the club membership , is it true ? Any advise is greatly appreaciated .

Regards,
Louis

Very good price if compared to my unit in East Ledang which is an inter-terrace with the specs below,

1) RM646,888*
2) 2766 sq ft - Land (RM234psf vs Your RM186psf)
3) 1950 sq ft - Built up
4) 4 + 1 rooms

*Price inclusive of,
- Stamp duty and legal fee for SPA
- 6 or 7 air-cons for the whole house (Japanese brand, can't remember exact nos)
- 18 months maintenance fee
- A couple of thousand ringgit discount (Can't remember exact) as referral fee as its my 3rd unit bought from them (They take it as I referred myself, so only my first unit don't have this discount)

louischin78

21-11-2010, 09:31 AM

Investor

21-11-2010, 09:39 AM

Very good price if compared to my unit in East Ledang which is an inter-terrace with the specs below,

1) RM646,888*
2) 2766 sq ft - Land (RM234psf vs Your RM186psf)
3) 1950 sq ft - Built up
4) 4 + 1 rooms

*Price inclusive of,
- Stamp duty and legal fee for SPA
- 6 or 7 air-cons for the whole house (Japanese brand, can't remember exact nos)
- 18 months maintenance fee
- A couple of thousand ringgit discount (Can't remember exact) as referral fee as its my 3rd unit bought from them (They take it as I referred myself, so only my first unit don't have this discount)

So there's a mistake, 2766 sq ft is Built up and 1950 sq ft is Land.

markhida22

21-11-2010, 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=euphony;610778]bro wuqi: do u have a contact number for emergency tow services you trust? thanks for bringing up reminder a few pages back on the forum. QUOTE]

I think I can share some info that I've just found on this.

If you have AA Singapore membership, the free 24 hours roadside assistence service (including towing) extend to certain areas in Johor from Johor town to Kulai, Paisir Gudang, and 2nd link.

That means from 2nd link, along the E3 highway all the way to Bukit Indah area is also covered!

That is really good news to me. :)

dapbest

21-11-2010, 10:09 PM

So there's a mistake, 2766 sq ft is Built up and 1950 sq ft is Land.

Did your seller factor in free MOT for you as well? I was told by the sales in HH that MOT cost about 2 or 3 % of the selling price. Its like a transfer of title from Master Title to Individual title a few years down the road and most developers will keep mum about it.

Damn how I love the rise of HH and EL, Kota Iskandar region. Every month there are bound to be new developements or some new launched. In HH, the Greens clusters are launching soon @ RM 700+K but I would advise against buying it. Once can still get existing 3-storey Semi-Ds at the Gateway for just RM 800+k and have free Golf Membership etc.

Yesterday dropped by for the Maybank Golf day. Saw some BMWs 335i, Audi A6, A5, CLS 350, Z4, M3 and Porsche... this is one of the very very few places in Johor where one can see such a luxury collection of top-end cars. The only other time I saw was at Sutera Utama where a BMW M5 and X6 were parked sided by side outside DHL office.

dapbest

21-11-2010, 10:14 PM

As Nusajaya city takes shape, price appriciation of the properties there is a sure thing, but I think it will not be a boring constant climb throughout 10 years.

There will be a much faster climb in 2012 and 2013 with the completion of LegoLand theme park, In-Door theme park, New Castle University, Coaster Highway ect. The city of Nusajaya will be all over the news when Legoland opens, thus creating awareness of this city.

Singaporeans' visitorship will increase exponentially, moreover this news is a thousand times more effective than any property advertisement Nusajaya can create.

At present, I think less than 1% of the total population of Singapore and Malaysia know about Nusajaya and its full development plan. Imagine what the demand will be like when the other 99% know and visit Nusajaya for its theme park!

Yeah I believe for sure year 2011 will be a good precursor to what the entire Nusajaya can offer. Already from Horizon Hills clubhouse, one can see Mabolo university being constructed about 1 km away. Some parts of Singapore can slowly be seen as greenery are gradually being chopped down to make way for new developments. I predict a rise of 10-20% in values once the all-new important Coastal Highway opens in a years time. Even if they open 1 year later than agreed, I dont really mind as I am already snapping up properties around the region since last week. Hope to complete my shopping in a years time. New Clusters in the GREEN will go at RM 700K+. For potential buyers' benefit, the new Clusters at the Gateway were selling @ just RM 300-RM 400k when they were launched some 3-5 years ago. You can roughly see how prices have gone up.

But of course I still believe in the longer term, say 15-20 years, East Ledang price will appreciate better than HH ( not as if HH wont appreciate high of course ), as EH is really where the MELTING POT is.

wuqi256

22-11-2010, 12:43 AM

Mine is free s&p too. Free 24 months maintenance . Free Non Golf membership with monthly fees of rm 75. Can use all the facility except golf which need to pay green fees . Have committed today so hope it's a good buy

That looks about right, there is nothing like the 100 dollar a day that someone was mentioning? I pay almost 200 monthly for mine.
Welcome to the neighbourhood!!

Investor

22-11-2010, 02:07 AM

Mine is free s&p too. Free 24 months maintenance . Free Non Golf membership with monthly fees of rm 75. Can use all the facility except golf which need to pay green fees . Have committed today so hope it's a good buy

Congratulations Louis, are you Malaysian? As for the MOT thing mentioned by dapbest, I've checked my 'Sales Package' and found that the developer is absorbing that too, you should also check yours just to be sure =)

Investor

22-11-2010, 02:13 AM

Did your seller factor in free MOT for you as well? I was told by the sales in HH that MOT cost about 2 or 3 % of the selling price. Its like a transfer of title from Master Title to Individual title.

Hi Dapbest, thank you very much for highlighting about M.O.T. I've checked my 'Sales Package' and luckily it states "Free legal fees and stamp duty on Sales and Purchase Agreement including Stamp duty on Memorandum of Transfer M.O.T :D

Investor

22-11-2010, 02:19 AM

Hi Wuqi,

I read in previous pages and saw you mentioning that you've installed door and window grills. I'm also looking forward to install grills for my unit, may I have the contact details of your installer? Thank you very much in advance :)

markhida22

22-11-2010, 02:33 AM

I think I can share some info that I've just found on this.

If you have AA Singapore membership, the free 24 hours roadside assistence service (including towing) extend to certain areas in Johor from Johor town to Kulai, Paisir Gudang, and 2nd link.

That means from 2nd link, along the E3 highway all the way to Bukit Indah area is also covered!

That is really good news to me. :)

Just to add.. the number to call for AA Johor 24 hrs Breakdown Services is:

07-2267527

Investor

22-11-2010, 02:38 AM

In HH, the Greens clusters are launching soon @ RM 700+K but I would advise against buying it. One can still get existing 3-storey Semi-Ds at the Gateway for just RM 800+k and have free Golf Membership etc.

Owners of existing units at The Gateway will raise their prices to match Developer's new launch prices, thus they won't be selling at RM800+K by then.

I was told that prices will increase between 10-20% for the next launch of terraces at East Ledang and the next launch is happening very very soon, maybe Horizon Hills might be launching soon too.

A rough price guide from my knowledge.
East Ledang's terraces:
1st batch (Year 2008) - RM4xxK
2nd batch (Year 2010) - RM6xxK
3rd batch (Year 2010) - RM7xxK(Estimated)

Maybe someone can contribute the rough price guide for Horizon Hills.

toyohon

22-11-2010, 02:41 AM

Congratulations Louis, are you Malaysian? As for the MOT thing mentioned by dapbest, I've checked my 'Sales Package' and found that the developer is absorbing that too, you should also check yours just to be sure =)

I suppose properties priced close to RM500k should have no problems getting consent/approval from Johor's Land office/State consent? Anyone has direct experience to this situation where intended property purchase is not quite 500k??

Investor

22-11-2010, 03:00 AM

I suppose properties priced close to RM500k should have no problems getting consent/approval from Johor's Land office/State consent? Anyone has direct experience to this situation where intended property purchase is not quite 500k??

Louis will be the one If he is not Malaysian :) Let's wait for his reply.

wuqi256

22-11-2010, 03:49 AM

louischin78

22-11-2010, 04:20 AM

Hi , my wife is a Malaysian so it's fine for us . But the sales staff did tell me they can jack up the s&p price but end up you are paying like 5k more

louischin78

22-11-2010, 12:12 PM

Did your seller factor in free MOT for you as well? I was told by the sales in HH that MOT cost about 2 or 3 % of the selling price. Its like a transfer of title from Master Title to Individual title a few years down the road and most developers will keep mum about it.

Damn how I love the rise of HH and EL, Kota Iskandar region. Every month there are bound to be new developements or some new launched. In HH, the Greens clusters are launching soon @ RM 700+K but I would advise against buying it. Once can still get existing 3-storey Semi-Ds at the Gateway for just RM 800+k and have free Golf Membership etc.

Yesterday dropped by for the Maybank Golf day. Saw some BMWs 335i, Audi A6, A5, CLS 350, Z4, M3 and Porsche... this is one of the very very few places in Johor where one can see such a luxury collection of top-end cars. The only other time I saw was at Sutera Utama where a BMW M5 and X6 were parked sided by side outside DHL office.

HI Dapbest,

Thank you so much for your reminder . Yes MOT is included and will be borned by the Developer. After some research I think its a good buy .

At RM466K (24*75 WITH 2556 SQ FT built up area) with the following throw in .

24 Months free maintenance fee.
Free Non-Golf Membership (Monthly fees is RM75 once I activate it)
Free S&P and Stamp Duty .

Cant wait to join the community hopefully in 18 months time .

dapbest

22-11-2010, 10:50 PM

HI Dapbest,

Thank you so much for your reminder . Yes MOT is included and will be borned by the Developer. After some research I think its a good buy .

At RM466K (24*75 WITH 2556 SQ FT built up area) with the following throw in .

24 Months free maintenance fee.
Free Non-Golf Membership (Monthly fees is RM75 once I activate it)
Free S&P and Stamp Duty .

Cant wait to join the community hopefully in 18 months time .

Hi i think the free 24 months was activated since last year.. The "ending" of the free maintainence will be next year August or Sep I heard. But to me it doesnt matter as its just RM 200+. I am paying S$200 for my condo maintainence in Singapore and my pool is 3-5 times smaller than the pool in HH.

dapbest

22-11-2010, 10:54 PM

Hi Dapbest, thank you very much for highlighting about M.O.T. I've checked my 'Sales Package' and luckily it states "Free legal fees and stamp duty on Sales and Purchase Agreement including Stamp duty on Memorandum of Transfer M.O.T :D

Welcome! Yes at least the sales staff reminded me about this MOT. But I believe big developers like UEM etc wont mind absorbing everything including MOT. I got a strong feeling that those sub 400k houses in Bukit Indah have no free MOT. They have absorbed stamp duties and legal fees though.

Anyway the Hills bungalows are still in very hot demand. Whenever I drop by to discuss with my sales, there will be retirees or "richer" sinkies asking about viewing bungalows.. the 3 storey left only 1 which cost RM 3 million+. Dont think anyone will wanna buy such a big house!

aquilani

23-11-2010, 05:43 AM

I suppose properties priced close to RM500k should have no problems getting consent/approval from Johor's Land office/State consent? Anyone has direct experience to this situation where intended property purchase is not quite 500k??

When I enquired about HH condo, I was quoted RM$471K. The sales explained that we have to pay $500k and credit note will be issued for the difference

danteakc

23-11-2010, 01:26 PM

Sure, PM me. :)

care to pm me as well. Had a quote from Chun Lee 20k for a semi D.

louischin78

23-11-2010, 10:26 PM

care to pm me as well. Had a quote from Chun Lee 20k for a semi D.

I am currently installing grill for my property in setia eco garden . The price quoted by my contractor is quite good. Their workmanship is not bad. If you need pls let me know.

Coolsaint77

24-11-2010, 03:07 AM

This is an interesting thread. We see believers and detractors.

Will Horizon Hill and East Ledang become good quality living of future? Will all these great plans of Medini, EduHub, Legoland, Puteri Harbour,Kota Iskandar, etc bring appreciation potential to your properties? Will Nusajaya become the satellite town of Singaporeans wanting more space or weekend getaway? Or will Nusajaya become another Putrajaya (in terms of residential property appreciation it is a flop) or worst still... somewhere you might not have heard of.. Modern Ghost Town Ordos (look at the beautiful but empty houses!)

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1975397_2094492,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1975397_2094498,00.html

Coolsaint77

24-11-2010, 03:14 AM

dapbest

24-11-2010, 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=Coolsaint77;612686]This is an interesting thread. We see believers and detractors.

Will Horizon Hill and East Ledang become good quality living of future? Will all

Put it this way. As long as the exchange rate is S$1 vs RM 2 and above, Johor will still be an attractive place for Singaporean or pple working in Singapore to visit. I remembered those years when crimes were rampant in JB. Robbers car-jacking cars in public were not uncommon. Singapore news made sure JB crimes were part of their column daily. Big or small news, doesnt matter. AS long as the crime happens in JB, they will splash the headlines.

But one thing I find, they splash and splash the headlines trying to deter Singaporeans from entering Mudland to spend money, every weekend I still need to JAM for 2-3 hours at the Kastam just to go into JB. This shows that no matter what happens, Sinkies will still patronise Mudland. Human beings, esp sinkies enjoy cheap items.

dapbest

24-11-2010, 08:07 AM

I am considering purchasing a unit at East Ledang. Very impressed with those twin-villas built up 3800 sft. The construction costs for a similar house in SG would be about S$400k. If i were to build a similar house myself, in JB, any idea how much would that cost? I am trying to assess if the MYR1.2m price is reasonable. They are giving free MOT, 7 units of aircon and MYR30k Signature kitchen voucher.

Is the UOB loan rate for 3 years lock-down good? Its BR-2.2%.

EL twin villas are good buys for sure. The rental part you can be sure its in high demand as its one of the only 2 higher-end residential enclave in Legoland area. Those high-end exec and CEOs will stay in bungalows and twin Villas. Who cares so long its paid for by their company? Nusa Idaman u can forgo. It attracts quite a fair bit of Bumi from Kota Iskandar. Buying for investment is a nono

dapbest

24-11-2010, 09:44 PM

HI Dapbest,

Thank you so much for your reminder . Yes MOT is included and will be borned by the Developer. After some research I think its a good buy .

At RM466K (24*75 WITH 2556 SQ FT built up area) with the following throw in .

24 Months free maintenance fee.
Free Non-Golf Membership (Monthly fees is RM75 once I activate it)
Free S&P and Stamp Duty .

Cant wait to join the community hopefully in 18 months time .

Yeah great to have you around in 18 months time. By then I would presume its the ideal time to move in with the coastal highway linking 1st link and 2nd link and a few of the developments opening shop. At least thats why the price of the developments will head north a little more dramatically. That time I wouldnt consider buying any developments already as the boat has already started its journey.

aquilani

25-11-2010, 12:34 AM

Dear All,

FYI, there is a JB property fair at City Square this weekend.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5184132538_99ee4759d3_b.jpg

danteakc

25-11-2010, 03:19 PM

Coolsaint77

25-11-2010, 03:26 PM

damn pathetic.
p1 wireless package (http://www.p1.com.my/wimax/wiggy_packages_ref.aspx)
wired modem package merely 2.4m with a cap of 30GB per month. That is not even enough for 10 shows. (http://www.p1.com.my/wimax/packages_ref.aspx)

Singapore package (http://www.singnet.com/insing/images/SNBB300x90_10m_4290.gif)

Which ISP gifs the best speed? cap at 2.4MBPS. Celcom gifs up to 3.6MBPS.
Very pathetic as price is comparable to SingNet but more then the price we need to pay.

Had bad experience with Celcom's 3G or 3.5G wireless in Nusa Idaman area. Better check what is available at your area. The sales guys don't seem to care if they misrep... everything also can... either that or they will tell you "should be ok"

Eventually changed to Time.com's MYR99 p/mth package (fixed line, not wireless). The other popular package would be Telecom Malaysia's streamyx.

wuqi256

25-11-2010, 05:08 PM

Had bad experience with Celcom's 3G or 3.5G wireless in Nusa Idaman area. Better check what is available at your area. The sales guys don't seem to care if they misrep... everything also can... either that or they will tell you "should be ok"

Eventually changed to Time.com's MYR99 p/mth package (fixed line, not wireless). The other popular package would be Telecom Malaysia's streamyx.

Thats very strange, it very works for HH area. Several friends has it and its working fine. I tried it, so far no issues.

Digi doesn't cover this area and a friend tried Maxxis here but results not good.

euphony

25-11-2010, 11:12 PM

i have to agree the ISPs sucks big time compared to what I have in SG, even my M1 wireless broadband (a malaysian outfit) does better than any offering in MY. I am on P1 now, the connection is quite reliable i must say (touch wood) for the most basic internet use. They also give me the feeling they're quite interested in keeping their customers trying to ace their customer service (trying being the operative word here).

louischin78

26-11-2010, 02:35 AM

Hi , I am in the mist of sourcing for loan . Anyone can advise which bank give the best offer

wuqi256

26-11-2010, 04:37 AM

EL twin villas are good buys for sure. The rental part you can be sure its in high demand as its one of the only 2 higher-end residential enclave in Legoland area. Those high-end exec and CEOs will stay in bungalows and twin Villas. Who cares so long its paid for by their company? Nusa Idaman u can forgo. It attracts quite a fair bit of Bumi from Kota Iskandar. Buying for investment is a nono

Agree, with you on the investment part if its part of the consideration factor. The primary consideration should still be to for own stay though unless you have deeper pockets and not risk adverse.

<fud>

26-11-2010, 07:25 AM

Sure, PM me. :)

Hi

Can you let me have the contact for the contractor doing the window and door grilles?

I can't seem to pm anyone. Maybe my account is restricted.

Thanks in advance.

<fud>

26-11-2010, 07:26 AM

I am currently installing grill for my property in setia eco garden . The price quoted by my contractor is quite good. Their workmanship is not bad. If you need pls let me know.

Hi

Can you pm me have the contact for the contractor doing the window and door grilles?

Need to do for my place at Nusa Idaman.

Thanks in advance.

Coolsaint77

26-11-2010, 08:10 AM

Agree, with you on the investment part if its part of the consideration factor. The primary consideration should still be to for own stay though unless you have deeper pockets and not risk adverse.

As you can see i started of as a non-believer. Recently went around looking at properties in JB again. Can feel the vibrant activities around. It seems like a lot of Singaporeans are buying into the second home or weekend home away from home idea. The HH golf course is perpetually busy even on weekdays - i hope it does not get congested eventually.

As i am a Malaysian i don't mind committing on one property. Worst case scenario it becomes my weekend home for long term. If Nusajaya takes off nicely i can just keep it to collect rental for retirement in future. Definitely not for speculative quick gains like in SG.

I'm torn between EL and HH golf-facing semi-D. I want to commit only on one. I simply love the almost 4000 sft double storey build up for EL. Since i am not looking to stay there in the immediate future, i dont mind looking as far as 5 years down the road. MYR1.2m sounds ex but those who have seen the house can understand - it is more than a semi-D. The only entry cost is the bank loan side legal fee + stamp duty about MYR14k in total. Aircon for whole house included, signature kitchen voucher worths 30k, MOT stamp duty and legal fees all absorbed by UEM. (Note: Phase I costs abt 960k to 980k, similar to phase II except it is gated within an area comprising semi-D and terrace ==> higher density. Whereas Phase II costing 1188k is within an area that has only semi-D and bungalows, and the unit sits on the highest ground among all the houses at EL. The fittings and materials are better, according to Sales, but i cannot recall what they gave for Phase I. There is no way i could have committed in Phase I as i feel it is too early to own a property at EL, need to wait a couple of years. Taking into a/c all these factors i value the Phase II at about 10% more ex than Phase I on a like to like basis)

Now, i am comparing to HH 3-storey semi-D golf facing morning sun unit. Land is only 3311 sft, built up 4213 sft - quite nice but the house itself still not as impressive as EL. I think this is under the Golf, they have some 2 storeys and 3 storeys. The new batches are nicer than the older golf-course facing ones at the Gateway, a lot more windows and larger build up. Now, this house costs 1.3m, everything is absorbed, zero entry costs... but no free aircon and kitchen cabinet. (NOte: The 2 storey golf facing units with 2767 sft built-up costs btw 1055k to 1105k, this can be compared to the Gateway 2 storey golf facing units which i believe was about 900+k? Standard lot size for both 2 storeys n 3 storeys are 2800 sft)

Pay for the golf-course (HH) view, or pay for the nice house (EL)?

I recognise i missed the first wave as i wanted to observe the market a longer time. The houses < 500k has certainly shot up in values. But those above 1m did not actually go up that much... comparing like to like it probably has gone up by 10%... i'm ok with that.

So here i am... justifying why i should shell out money to buy a property in a country i still have no faith with... lol

KNNBCCB

26-11-2010, 08:43 AM

damn pathetic.
p1 wireless package (http://www.p1.com.my/wimax/wiggy_packages_ref.aspx)
wired modem package merely 2.4m with a cap of 30GB per month. That is not even enough for 10 shows. (http://www.p1.com.my/wimax/packages_ref.aspx)

Singapore package (http://www.singnet.com/insing/images/SNBB300x90_10m_4290.gif)

Which ISP gifs the best speed? cap at 2.4MBPS. Celcom gifs up to 3.6MBPS.
Very pathetic as price is comparable to SingNet but more then the price we need to pay.

Dun go for P1. Still not stable yet..
you will regret....
Still the best is TMnet Streamyx.
no choice...Msia line cannot fight with sg line..

Coolsaint77

26-11-2010, 01:20 PM

Hi , I am in the mist of sourcing for loan . Anyone can advise which bank give the best offer

Alliance can get 3.95% but lock in 5 years

wiseguy

26-11-2010, 03:04 PM

As you can see i started of as a non-believer. Recently went around looking at properties in JB again. Can feel the vibrant activities around. It seems like a lot of Singaporeans are buying into the second home or weekend home away from home idea. The HH golf course is perpetually busy even on weekdays - i hope it does not get congested eventually.

As i am a Malaysian i don't mind committing on one property. Worst case scenario it becomes my weekend home for long term. If Nusajaya takes off nicely i can just keep it to collect rental for retirement in future. Definitely not for speculative quick gains like in SG.

I'm torn between EL and HH golf-facing semi-D. I want to commit only on one. I simply love the almost 4000 sft double storey build up for EL. Since i am not looking to stay there in the immediate future, i dont mind looking as far as 5 years down the road. MYR1.2m sounds ex but those who have seen the house can understand - it is more than a semi-D. The only entry cost is the bank loan side legal fee + stamp duty about MYR14k in total. Aircon for whole house included, signature kitchen voucher worths 30k, MOT stamp duty and legal fees all absorbed by UEM. (Note: Phase I costs abt 960k to 980k, similar to phase II except it is gated within an area comprising semi-D and terrace ==> higher density. Whereas Phase II costing 1188k is within an area that has only semi-D and bungalows, and the unit sits on the highest ground among all the houses at EL. The fittings and materials are better, according to Sales, but i cannot recall what they gave for Phase I. There is no way i could have committed in Phase I as i feel it is too early to own a property at EL, need to wait a couple of years. Taking into a/c all these factors i value the Phase II at about 10% more ex than Phase I on a like to like basis)

Now, i am comparing to HH 3-storey semi-D golf facing morning sun unit. Land is only 3311 sft, built up 4213 sft - quite nice but the house itself still not as impressive as EL. I think this is under the Golf, they have some 2 storeys and 3 storeys. The new batches are nicer than the older golf-course facing ones at the Gateway, a lot more windows and larger build up. Now, this house costs 1.3m, everything is absorbed, zero entry costs... but no free aircon and kitchen cabinet. (NOte: The 2 storey golf facing units with 2767 sft built-up costs btw 1055k to 1105k, this can be compared to the Gateway 2 storey golf facing units which i believe was about 900+k? Standard lot size for both 2 storeys n 3 storeys are 2800 sft)

Pay for the golf-course (HH) view, or pay for the nice house (EL)?

I recognise i missed the first wave as i wanted to observe the market a longer time. The houses < 500k has certainly shot up in values. But those above 1m did not actually go up that much... comparing like to like it probably has gone up by 10%... i'm ok with that.

So here i am... justifying why i should shell out money to buy a property in a country i still have no faith with... lol

EL obviously has superior quality, finishing, design and spaciousness.

Rental wise, it may face competition from supply in Ujana, 1Medini, Imperia etc in 2-4 yrs.
Agree, it would be popular rental among higher level expats.

But I'm concerned about over supply vs slow growing demands - consider that tenancy target is overly dependant on mainly expats from the Universities.Just my opinion.

Please share your opinion. Thk you.

wiseguy

26-11-2010, 03:37 PM

Heard theres a MAPEX Msian Property Expo this wkd at City Square JB?

dapbest

27-11-2010, 01:40 AM

Hi coolstaint if i were in your shoes, between HH semi-d facing Golf course and EL twin villas, I would not know what to buy. Seriously I was in your shoe just a few months back. What make me give up the idea of EL is the fact that I will most probably be staying with my wife and her parents and EL is pretty far out for older pple. Afterall, as you shd know older pple look for market, supermarket, easy access to amenties and food etc. You drive them to EL they wont be pleased. But if u were to show a professional young couple earning S$10,000 a month or angmo to East Ledang, they wont complain about the lack of amenties or access to supermarket. It is like staying in a GCB in Singapore. I have never heard the owners complain about lack of easy access to food, cos the maid will be the one walking some 30 minute out to the main road to hop into a bus to the supermarket. A few rich expats in Singapore I know of have bought bungalows in HH. A few has bought EL. Between Ang mos and expats, they are equally split between EL and HH. The main benefit of EL is close proximity to 2nd link custom of cos. Now I stay somewhere in Tun Aminah and in the morning, it took me about 15-20 minutes from Tun Aminah to reach the Nusajaya highway exit.. with no traffic condition.. So usually when i reach nusajaya entrance for EL, I will tell myself, if i got a house in EL, I will save 20 minutes to and 20 minutes back daily! But this is life i guess, got pros and cons. I must say if i am sole in Malaysia to stay with my wife and no other old pple, I will buy EL for its close proximity and long term investment in the capital appreciation

Coolsaint77

27-11-2010, 04:57 AM

Coolsaint77

27-11-2010, 04:58 AM

Heard theres a MAPEX Msian Property Expo this wkd at City Square JB?

Yup... they were handing out leaflets at Tuas immigration last night.. but nothing new unless you are interested to explore further hinterland

Coolsaint77

27-11-2010, 05:20 AM

EL obviously has superior quality, finishing, design and spaciousness.

Rental wise, it may face competition from supply in Ujana, 1Medini, Imperia etc in 2-4 yrs.
Agree, it would be popular rental among higher level expats.

But I'm concerned about over supply vs slow growing demands - consider that tenancy target is overly dependant on mainly expats from the Universities.Just my opinion.

Please share your opinion. Thk you.

I share your sentiments. The rental NOW is pretty ok because of limited supply. But as the supply increase it is hard to predict if there will be enough demand to match it.

Basically i do a ballpark estimate of how much it would cost me to buy a piece of land of similar size, build a similar house, at a similar location. At Leisure Farm they are selling bungalow plots at MYR60 psf asking price (about 13000 sft parcel). Hence i estimate the 4050 sft land costs at about MYR200k. The 3800 sft house would cost about S$500k to build in S'pore, hence i assume it costs about MYR500k in Malaysia. ==> Total costs MYR700k. So i am paying MYR500k for being part of the EL development, the convenience of having someone else build the house for me... not forgetting the 500k includes free aircon, 30k signature kitchen voucher, etc.

Obviously it costs the developer a lot less... this is just an estimate for myself

Investor

27-11-2010, 02:57 PM

Alliance can get 3.95% but lock in 5 years

Yup... EL is definitely not ideal for now. Hence the added risk - how fast or how well the surrounding development & amenities turn out. For the long term for sure. Well, in fact the difference between HH to EL is barely 10 minutes. Neverthless i've taken the plunge for EL as i simply love the house too much :-p

Congrats Coolsaint77, so you have bought your semi-d in EL? Mine is type C facing garden of Phase 2. Is yours near the garden?

dapbest

28-11-2010, 01:17 AM

Yup... EL is definitely not ideal for now. Hence the added risk - how fast or how well the surrounding development & amenities turn out. For the long term for sure. Well, in fact the difference between HH to EL is barely 10 minutes. Neverthless i've taken the plunge for EL as i simply love the house too much :-p

EL is definitely not ideal for now but if its just u and your wife wanting to find a huge house in Malaysia to stay and maintaining a close proximity to Singapore via the 2nd link, its a great buy indeed. Imagine if u work in Tuas somemore and your daily time to work will be like 20-30 minutes. Of course the traffic condition is managable given todays standard. Just try not to go in and out of Sg and jb on weekends.. if u must, try before 6am or after 8pm and traffic should be ideal.. meaning no need to Q for more than 5 minutes.

dapbest

28-11-2010, 01:21 AM

I share your sentiments. The rental NOW is pretty ok because of limited supply. But as the supply increase it is hard to predict if there will be enough demand to match it.

Basically i do a ballpark estimate of how much it would cost me to buy a piece of land of similar size, build a similar house, at a similar location. At Leisure Farm they are selling bungalow plots at MYR60 psf asking price (about 13000 sft parcel). Hence i estimate the 4050 sft land costs at about MYR200k. The 3800 sft house would cost about S$500k to build in S'pore, hence i assume it costs about MYR500k in Malaysia. ==> Total costs MYR700k. So i am paying MYR500k for being part of the EL development, the convenience of having someone else build the house for me... not forgetting the 500k includes free aircon, 30k signature kitchen voucher, etc.

Obviously it costs the developer a lot less... this is just an estimate for myself

Hi,cant compare East Ledang with apartments like Ujana as they cater to different market. If u give someone same rents .. between a penthouse condo facing the sea and a sprawling twin villa in EL, they will go for the latter cos of space. So far I can see that EL is perhaps one of the better housing developments who can really cater to the needs of those professionals and professors/rich students moving into Nusajaya universities and developments. Always remember a lot of middle-east rich students will choose Nusajaya over Singapore when it comes to education. The rich arab will choose Islamic Malaysia to park their finance over modern Singapore of course even though Singapore standard is far superior than those of Malaysia.

edm23

28-11-2010, 01:23 AM

Coolsaint77

28-11-2010, 02:43 AM

Congrats Coolsaint77, so you have bought your semi-d in EL? Mine is type C facing garden of Phase 2. Is yours near the garden?

Hi Investor,
Wow... garden facing!
I am a little late into this so the best available for me is a Type B with the Ledang Heights slope at the back. It is more towards the longish garden.
I believe we are all around the same locality... the elevated ground which is the highest point in the development.

Investor

28-11-2010, 08:49 AM

Hi Investor,
Wow... garden facing!
I am a little late into this so the best available for me is a Type B with the Ledang Heights slope at the back. It is more towards the longish garden.
I believe we are all around the same locality... the elevated ground which is the highest point in the development.

Hi Coolsaint77,
I also prefer the layout of type A and B, but none of them is beside the garden except the show unit(type B) which was sold. So I have no choice but to get a type C :) I think the 'longish garden' you were referring to is also border of Phase One and Two right?

Investor

28-11-2010, 08:55 AM

Hi wise ones :)

I have been looking around the prices of properties around the Nusajaya area and found that the prices at Leisure Farm seemingly one of the highest. Can anyone share any views on the reason why?

Hi edm23,
It depends on which developments you are comparing to, as there are many developments ranging from Top-notch to Budget. Even though I don't know the prices of Leisure Farm, I can still be quite sure that it won't be more expensive than East Ledang and Horizon Hills.

Coolsaint77

28-11-2010, 09:20 AM

Hi Coolsaint77,
I also prefer the layout of type A and B, but none of them is beside the garden except the show unit(type B) which was sold. So I have no choice but to get a type C :) I think the 'longish garden' you were referring to is also border of Phase One and Two right?

Yes that's the location. Type A has the biggest living cum dining and a very good upstairs layout which accomodates 4 BRs! But the master is slightly smaller. Type B has the most conventional design... on paper it looks as if the dining cum living is smallest among the 5 designs but the showhouse itself feels good sized. No oversized foyer, dry kitchen nicely tucked at the side and not in direct view from living, nice patio at the back, nice huge family area upstairs... I was trying to decide between Type A and B but chose Type B because that is the only morning sun unit available, unless i go for the lower ground units.

Seems to me type C upstairs rooms are the largest. Haha seriously whichever layout does not really matter... all very nice size.

Every time i look at the layouts i have the urge to rethink if i want to change to another unit. I have not exercised my option so i can still change... hahaha

Coolsaint77

28-11-2010, 09:23 AM

Hi wise ones :)

I have been looking around the prices of properties around the Nusajaya area and found that the prices at Leisure Farm seemingly one of the highest. Can anyone share any views on the reason why?

One year plus ago i was looking at semi-D at Bayou Water Village, it was 700k plus but i believe the price has gone up. Even at 700k plus i find it ex because the house is rather small. Basically they are selling on lifestyle. I gave up on Bayou water village after finding out the concept does not allow fencing at all... i have a dog so no fencing is a problem for me... at least East Ledang has a small fenced up area

Coolsaint77

28-11-2010, 09:29 AM

Investor

28-11-2010, 09:49 AM

EL obviously has superior quality, finishing, design and spaciousness.

Rental wise, it may face competition from supply in Ujana, 1Medini, Imperia etc in 2-4 yrs.
Agree, it would be popular rental among higher level expats.

But I'm concerned about over supply vs slow growing demands - consider that tenancy target is overly dependant on mainly expats from the Universities.Just my opinion.

Please share your opinion. Thk you.

Hi wiseguy,

No worries man, my view is by the end of 2012, demand won't be only from the new populations in New Castle, MDIS, Marlboro College, Maritime Institute, Legoland, Indoor theme park, Traders Hotel and Kota Iskandar. There will definitely be an increase in demand from Singaporeans when they start to know the existence of Nusajaya and visit it.

Comparing this to the investment of a stock counter, we are like the BBs who are collecting it at low price now, by the time news about Nusajaya is out, retailers will rush in with the Herd mentality :)

edm23

28-11-2010, 03:12 PM

Hi edm23,
It depends on which developments you are comparing to, as there are many developments ranging from Top-notch to Budget. Even though I don't know the prices of Leisure Farm, I can still be quite sure that it won't be more expensive than East Ledang and Horizon Hills.

Hi Investor,

I think the one that i saw was more on the budget range. Its Bayou Water Village, a strata titled development consisting of Bangalows, Semi Ds and Terrace units. The terrace units are priced at between 535K to 550K with a land area of 1775sqft, built up area is only ard 1475sqft. Compared to those avaliable at HH or EL, the psf seems alot higher and i really dunno if its worth the premium. Also, there isn't much talk about Leisure Farm and its developments anywhere, so wanted to find out if there is any reason why they are priced that way..

Hope bro Wuqi or any of the experienced bros in the forum could share some insights on this.. Thanks in advance!

danteakc

29-11-2010, 01:04 AM

EL is definitely not ideal for now but if its just u and your wife wanting to find a huge house in Malaysia to stay and maintaining a close proximity to Singapore via the 2nd link, its a great buy indeed. Imagine if u work in Tuas somemore and your daily time to work will be like 20-30 minutes. Of course the traffic condition is managable given todays standard. Just try not to go in and out of Sg and jb on weekends.. if u must, try before 6am or after 8pm and traffic should be ideal.. meaning no need to Q for more than 5 minutes.

Just to confirm if I need to be out of JB via tuas 2nd link on weekends morning. I need to leave my place at HH by 6am or reach tuas b4 6am???

Should I worry about traffic on weekdays morning or afternoon via tuas or woodlands? What is the best time to leave HH to SGP in the afternoon on weekdays and weekends?

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 01:28 AM

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 01:29 AM

Congrats on the purchase of EL! I think you made a good choice there.

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 01:33 AM

Agree, actually the people renting will not only be from the U, there are already starting to be people coming out here whether from SG or from KL for the following:

1. Factories in SiLC
2. Government offices in Kota Iskandar
3. Ports nearby
4. Doctors from the hospital (Columbia Asia)

So potentially, there will be more take up in the immediate area once the U comes up.

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 01:36 AM

Just to confirm if I need to be out of JB via tuas 2nd link on weekends morning. I need to leave my place at HH by 6am or reach tuas b4 6am???

Should I worry about traffic on weekdays morning or afternoon via tuas or woodlands? What is the best time to leave HH to SGP in the afternoon on weekdays and weekends?

Danteakc, welcome to the neighbourhood, you just need to leave by 6am and will be fine if taking the 2nd link at this time.

Outbound to SG on weekday morning, best before 7am and ideally via 2nd link. If you want to use first link, recommend by 5.30am you leave. For afternoon, its smooth traffic outbound to SG by either link except during noon or lunch time when there are more cars.

Coolsaint77

29-11-2010, 06:35 AM

Congrats on the purchase of EL! I think you made a good choice there.

Thanks bro... hope to retire here.

Investor

29-11-2010, 08:28 AM

Thanks bro... hope to retire here.

Hi Coolsaint77,
You are a PR working in Sg right? Are you staying in Johor or Sg?

Investor

29-11-2010, 09:44 AM

Hi edm23, i would not recommend Leisure farm for now as they are still struggling with what they actually want to present themselves as. Its now a big mix of property types but they are finally doing something and not just selling bungalow land anymore.

Gelang Patah area is still pretty empty and security is still a concern there. I would say you are better off with EL or HH. This is as the Bayou types are strata title(very restrictive on what you can do as a result), pretty small although for avid fishermen, its a good spot. ;)

I also would not recommend Leisure farm at present. Firstly, property's price is all about 'Location', its price psf should therefore be lower than EL based on location but it's higher instead. LF's psf is definitely over priced now as compared to EL or HH. LF's location has a chance to become comparable to EL when they open an entrance via future Medini, but there's no guarantee that it will happen.

Secondly, its security is not as good as EL and HH. I'm not talking about the capabiliies of the guards, but the security system used. Eg, EL has top notch system with anti climbing and anti cutting perimeter fence, plus CCTV capturing whole perimeter. Panick button links to guard house and police post which is just outside of EL. LF has normal fence which can be climbed over easily without the guards knowing.

Investor

29-11-2010, 09:53 AM

Coolsaint77

29-11-2010, 10:04 AM

Hi Coolsaint77,
You are a PR working in Sg right? Are you staying in Johor or Sg?

On a trial basis, had been staying in Nusa Idaman for 1.5 years.

Just went to survey the site at EL again before i exercise my option next Monday. The only concern i have is really how tall is the slope at the back (Ledang Height's side) Had a careful look and i think my house's upstairs will be level with Ledang Heights ground level, there are a couple of bungalows at the back so its not a piece of jungle. Compared to if i were to pick a unit with a back-to-back house, i guess it is still better.

Went through the 4 layouts again just to be sure. Your timing is very good to get a type C, i think they build only 6 units and it has the best facing. Apart from type C i am now convinced type B has the best layout. Ok.. so i will not change my selection :)

Investor

29-11-2010, 10:23 AM

Haha alright man, congrats again on getting a house you love so much :)

wiseguy

29-11-2010, 11:09 AM

I share your sentiments. The rental NOW is pretty ok because of limited supply. But as the supply increase it is hard to predict if there will be enough demand to match it

Hi,

I have 2 linked duplex from Phase 1, EL.
Thats why contemplating to purchase #3 at Phase 7, EL

dapbest

29-11-2010, 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=Coolsaint77;616265]On a trial basis, had been staying in Nusa Idaman for 1.5 years.

Just went to survey the site at EL again before i exercise my option next Monday. The only concern i have is really how tall is the slope at the back (Ledang Height's side) Had a careful look and i think my house's upstairs will be level with Ledang Heights ground level, there are a couple of bungalows at the back so its not a piece of jungle. Compared to if i were to pick a unit with a back-to-back house, i guess it is still better.

Congrats on your new house. Actually I would love to live in East Ledang if its just me and my wife. The location is damn close to Singapore and its really exclusive, away from the main crowds of Nusa Bestari side and yet security is good. They even have a police station located nearby.. Needless to say, every developments have their own security guards who can complement and boost the security.

danteakc

29-11-2010, 02:21 PM

Danteakc, welcome to the neighbourhood, you just need to leave by 6am and will be fine if taking the 2nd link at this time.

Outbound to SG on weekday morning, best before 7am and ideally via 2nd link. If you want to use first link, recommend by 5.30am you leave. For afternoon, its smooth traffic outbound to SG by either link except during noon or lunch time when there are more cars.

you meant even on weekends I need to reach tuas 2nd link by 6am to leave JB to SGP? That is alot of traffic for ppl leaving JB to SGP.

This is a tried and tested experience, did a stupid thing today, DO NOT LEAVE JB at 1st link after 4pm. I got jam from JB all the way to woodlands for 2 hrs. Talk about traffic jams. It is a battle of near misses and kisses on both rears and front.

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 02:52 PM

you meant even on weekends I need to reach tuas 2nd link by 6am to leave JB to SGP? That is alot of traffic for ppl leaving JB to SGP.

This is a tried and tested experience, did a stupid thing today, DO NOT LEAVE JB at 1st link after 4pm. I got jam from JB all the way to woodlands for 2 hrs. Talk about traffic jams. It is a battle of near misses and kisses on both rears and front.

No, i meant leaving your home as in your physical house? My neighbours do just that and they have been doing that even before i moved in.

Yes, that is bad, before 4pm is still ok but after will be bad.

wuqi256

29-11-2010, 02:54 PM

Ledang Heights is fully sold, after witnessing the security system used by East Ledang, they pay to upgrade their security system to the same one used by East Ledang and they are in the midst of the upgrade.

HH, in future, will have 3 layers of securities, I think a burglar would rather choose other easier targets than HH.

They need to upgrade LH fast as we had several prospective tenants coming over to scout and rent(all caucasians). They were robbed while staying there. At least now they (LH) care to do something, thats the most important thing.

Coolsaint77

29-11-2010, 03:28 PM

They need to upgrade LH fast as we had several prospective tenants coming over to scout and rent(all caucasians). They were robbed while staying there. At least now they (LH) care to do something, thats the most important thing.

They should trim the bushes beside the roads within Ledang Heights too. UEM simply have too much land! I sympathise with the Ledang Heights bungalow occupants. It is pretty scary to be staying within such a huge land with so low density... its like... maybe 30 to 40 bungalows within 200 acres of land... the trouble is the boundary is so huge it would cost a bomb to protect the perimeter especially the boundary with the highway.

GivenSingaporeanMalay

29-11-2010, 05:48 PM

Hi Guys,

I've been following this thread for quite sometimes and found very interesting, since I cannot find any other similar website like this, I decided to join the discussion. But unfortunately, I don't have anything valuable to contribute yet. Please bear with me for now. I will post if there is any development from my side. Thank you.

I'm Singaporean Malay, (with young kids below 10 years old) going to hold Malaysian Citizenship someday. I've applied Malaysian Citizenship via my dad who is a Malaysian citizen and still holding onto Singapore PR.

I really gave up hope living and staying as Singapore Citizen. Living in HDB flat, most of often than not, I've seen foreigner happy faces working and enjoying living among themselves.

Future employment? Dare not to think anymore, It’s end of the road.

So now I will be heading to Malaysia for future as well as retirement. The problem is; I will drive in and out to Singapore to ferry my wife to the nearest MRT and for my kid to school as well.

If you do not mind to tell or share with me, I have some questions to ask about buying a property in HH.

1. Is HH property still available?
2. Since my budget is limited not more than MYR 320k, is there a price list below MYR320?
3. I wonder if I am eligible under Bumis if so, is bumis lot limited?
4. How is the monthly maintenance fee like?
5. I also understand that driving MY car into Singapore is restricted to number of days, subsequent entry is payable. Since my SG license will be converted into international license issued by Malaysian authority, Can I still drive SG plate car into Singapore?

In the meantime, this is all I have in mind. If you have any additional information, kindly share with me/the rest of us.

Thank you in advanced.

Kind regards;
GivenUpHopeSingaporeanMalay :)

dapbest

29-11-2010, 10:14 PM

you meant even on weekends I need to reach tuas 2nd link by 6am to leave JB to SGP? That is alot of traffic for ppl leaving JB to SGP.

This is a tried and tested experience, did a stupid thing today, DO NOT LEAVE JB at 1st link after 4pm. I got jam from JB all the way to woodlands for 2 hrs. Talk about traffic jams. It is a battle of near misses and kisses on both rears and front.

hey bro,

now is year end holidays so jam during normal weekdays are normal.

safest bet at causeway fr sg to jb is 5am reach custom..clear on both sides.. if 2nd link, 5am plus shd be ok except for those hundreds of bikes who will be by your side which can be abit noisy

dapbest

29-11-2010, 10:20 PM

They need to upgrade LH fast as we had several prospective tenants coming over to scout and rent(all caucasians). They were robbed while staying there. At least now they (LH) care to do something, thats the most important thing.

Hi wuqi were they robbed in the middle of the night or daytime? If robberies become rampant the value of the development may drop. Afterall, words spread damn fast. The expats living in a robbery-rampant development may just move after their lease is up. Lets hope the East Ledang authorities are indeed beefing up security and learn more from places like Horizon Hills or Sutera One. But again, sometimes we cant blame them totally. Ledang Height is such a huge development with so few residents and bungalows. It is difficult to patrol every cm of the development

dapbest

30-11-2010, 05:56 AM

I'm Singaporean Malay, (with young kids below 10 years old) going to hold Malaysian Citizenship someday. I've applied Malaysian Citizenship via my dad who is a Malaysian citizen and still holding onto Singapore PR.
If you do not mind to tell or share with me, I have some questions to ask about buying a property in HH.

1. Is HH property still available? - ( Yes. Please drop by the Sale office to check out more. I have seen some Malay couples doing enquiries recently too.)
2. Since my budget is limited not more than MYR 320k, is there a price list below MYR320? ( Maybe not. I heard the price has risen to RM 400+ even for the smallest terrace. But you can still check out with the agents )
3. I wonder if I am eligible under Bumis if so, is bumis lot limited? [B]( If you are buying existing completed properties and if u are a pure Malaysian Malay, chances are you are considered a bumi and hence a 15% off the properties prices. But this I cant advise you much until I got more concrete info about your citizenship. Cos you started off your thread by stating u are a Singaporean Malay )
/B]4. How is the monthly maintenance fee like? ( About RM 200+ for a semi detach. You get to use swimming pools, tennis, gym etc )

5. I also understand that driving MY car into Singapore is restricted to number of days, subsequent entry is payable. Since my SG license will be converted into international license issued by Malaysian authority, Can I still drive SG plate car into Singapore? ( About 10 days free vehicle entry for Malaysian cars into Singapore. However please note that if u are holding to a Singapore PR or Singapore citizen, you cannot drive your Malaysia cars into Singapore at any time. You can drive SG cars into Singapore. Singapore does not have any laws barring foreigners from driving SG cars )

Hi my friend, you dont have to contribute anything here. We will be glad with share with you anything that we can contribute and share. Pls do see my replies in brackets

dapbest

30-11-2010, 06:03 AM

Before I returned home to JB from Singapore ( now already 3pm and I am working since 5am + ), I would like to drop a note regarding security issues in Nusajaya.

Basic security to secure your home is a must. If u can, install CCTVs in and around your house. Many robberies are done by "air con servicemen or contractors " etc themselves cos they know best who is at home and who is not. If u worry about public crimes such as another car knocking u off the expressway, touch wood so far over the past 5 years its been quite decent and zero rate, except for the young couple who was chased and later slashed by a group of dadahs high on drugs. But they were driving so slow on the highway, around 70-80km/hour, a huge magate for robbers

Always remember, if u must drive at nights or wee hours of the morning, LOCK your door, NEVER stop if any plainclothes in bikes ask u to stop for no reason. Just drive to the nearest petrol ksioks or polis station and ask them WHY they want to stop u. Drive FAST when u hit the highway. 110km/hour or above. Never drive slow as u will be targetted for sure.

Invest in security films for your car windows so that robbers cannot come side by side u and smash your car windows. Also u can be assured that they cant smash your windows if u park outside JUSCO etc

The security in JB is quite decent nowadays compared to 5 or 8 years back. I have witnessed a dramatic change and more polis presence. I usually drive between 8pm-5am to and fro Singapore and JB due to business nature and hence these are the safeguards that I use to protect myself. So far during the wee hours I only encounter road blocks with at least 5-10 policemen manning the blocks, no robbers. :)

Stevewish

30-11-2010, 06:07 AM

Hi Friends,

I'm considering of buying a 3 storey Shop-office and intend to rent out in future. Please advice. Thank you.:)

Batok Seri

30-11-2010, 09:14 AM

Hi Guys,
....
In the meantime, this is all I have in mind. If you have any additional information, kindly share with me/the rest of us.

Thank you in advanced.

Kind regards;
GivenUpHopeSingaporeanMalay :)

1. Yes. But house ready only in 2 years time. Within yr budget would be link or terrace houses in Golf precinct.
2. Bumi lots start from 300k for intermediate terrace.
3. You may be eligible for Bumi Malaysian status if one of your parents are Malaysian Malay Muslim. Bumi lots are limited. Priced lower but you can only re-sell to bumi. Take up for bumi lots for high-end devt like HH is slightly slower.
4. RM250. But includes social membership (no golf but can swim)

5. Sorry can't help here.

Boleh PM me if you need further help.
cheers,

Coolsaint77

30-11-2010, 12:09 PM

Invest in security films for your car windows so that robbers cannot come side by side u and smash your car windows. Also u can be assured that they cant smash your windows if u park outside JUSCO etc

Hey not true. This year 2 WRXs got smashed on the same day outside Jusco Bukit Indah, seems like they came from Pasir Gudang track and someone wanted to steal some track device from their cars. Can't locate the news clip but its in this forum. They did this in broad daylight in front of security, but they were so fast that security could do nothing.

My car got smashed window outside Carrefour Sutera Mall in broad daylight, despite the mgt claim they have 4 security guards patrolling

The thing is, never leave any bags in your car.

Stevewish

30-11-2010, 01:59 PM

Hi Friends,

Any advice for purchasing 3-storey shop-house? Thank you

dapbest

30-11-2010, 09:22 PM

Hey not true. This year 2 WRXs got smashed on the same day outside Jusco Bukit Indah, seems like they came from Pasir Gudang track and someone wanted to steal some track device from their cars. Can't locate the news clip but its in this forum. They did this in broad daylight in front of security, but they were so fast that security could do nothing.

My car got smashed window outside Carrefour Sutera Mall in broad daylight, despite the mgt claim they have 4 security guards patrolling

The thing is, never leave any bags in your car.

Hi Coolstaint I think you mistook my security films for cars as security guards. I have never trusted security guards. What i meant is to invest thoe protective security films on your car windows which can withstand smashes and impact to your car window. Its a huge step to prevent robbers from smashing your car windows.

Security guards? Well I have never trusted them even in Singapore! Best to survive in JB if u want to go shopping and park your car is to install cameras, protective films on your windows, bring valuables down, drive simple cars etc. Some money cannot be saved. As we all know smashing car windows to steal in Malaysia is as common as our Singapore notorious lift robberies.

dapbest

30-11-2010, 09:24 PM

Hi Friends,

Any advice for purchasing 3-storey shop-house? Thank you

hi steve, a bit late if u want to buy now as those bestest ones were snapped up. There are still a lot of vacant lots in Nusa Bestari, Bukit Indah etc but as I say, their location is not prime and the rental yield is peanut. Not really worth considering. Many Singaporeans that I know of got burnt by shophouses.

Stevewish

01-12-2010, 01:10 AM

Coolsaint77

01-12-2010, 05:00 AM

Hi Coolstaint I think you mistook my security films for cars as security guards. I have never trusted security guards. What i meant is to invest thoe protective security films on your car windows which can withstand smashes and impact to your car window. Its a huge step to prevent robbers from smashing your car windows.

Security guards? Well I have never trusted them even in Singapore! Best to survive in JB if u want to go shopping and park your car is to install cameras, protective films on your windows, bring valuables down, drive simple cars etc. Some money cannot be saved. As we all know smashing car windows to steal in Malaysia is as common as our Singapore notorious lift robberies.

Hi Dapbest
I meant to warn the danger of leaving things in car irregardless of location. In fact after my incident i immediately installed anti-shatter film and tinted it as far as possible to permissible darkness.

Investor

01-12-2010, 03:54 PM

GivenSingaporeanMalay

01-12-2010, 05:46 PM

Hi my friend, you dont have to contribute anything here. We will be glad with share with you anything that we can contribute and share. Pls do see my replies in brackets

Hi DAPBEST,

Thank you very much providing me effortless information.

Cheers!

GivenSingaporeanMalay

01-12-2010, 06:04 PM

1. Yes. But house ready only in 2 years time. Within yr budget would be link or terrace houses in Golf precinct.
2. Bumi lots start from 300k for intermediate terrace.
3. You may be eligible for Bumi Malaysian status if one of your parents are Malaysian Malay Muslim. Bumi lots are limited. Priced lower but you can only re-sell to bumi. Take up for bumi lots for high-end devt like HH is slightly slower.
4. RM250. But includes social membership (no golf but can swim)

5. Sorry can't help here.

Boleh PM me if you need further help.
cheers,

Hi Batok Seri,

Thanks to you too.

Last month I applied for Malaysian Citizenship via my dad who is Malaysian Malay citizen. If once my Malaysian citizenship application approve, am I eligible for Bumis?

I intend to buy for myself and my wife in preparing for old age as well as for my Singaporeans children future to take over once I'm dead or my wife or both of us. You know lah in Singapore, not enough money plus CPF (sama as EPF) where are they going to live, right? At least they have permanent roof over their head in JB.

I like semi-D cluster houses, but not sure what are the starting price and how many percent discounted for Bumis (if I am eligible).

No golf is totally fine, at least got swimming pool still not so bad.
I also understand grocery prices vary from places to places, is that true?

We can PM later, meantime, let's share more information so that others who are like me can gain some information as well.

Thank you again and have a nice day ahead.

Cheers!

dapbest

01-12-2010, 10:35 PM

Hi Dapbest
I meant to warn the danger of leaving things in car irregardless of location. In fact after my incident i immediately installed anti-shatter film and tinted it as far as possible to permissible darkness.

Oh yes even in Singapore, smashing of car windows to steal items left in obvious places are very common. Once at a Bedok open-air dark carpark, I see a lone 6 or 7 year old girl walking to each and every car and peep inside. It was like 2am in the morning. I was with my part-time lover rocking and having fun in a secluded corner and saw this girl peeping into at least 30+ cars some distance away. Of course, she see us eventually cos of the engine noise and she stopped her adventure and walked off hurriedly.

My take is that the real culprits send their daughters etc to do the "recce" and see if there are any valuables left unattended. Then once they got the first hand info thru their intelligence, they moved in to smash. In JB this crime is common as well. But I dont usually leave bags etc unattended in my car.. Usually will bring my wallet out of my house and put in my pocket and tats its. There is one period of time when JB car smashing is so rampant that every town will see 1-2 of their cars being smashed every night. Those were the days when JB polis were literally out-numbered by criminals.

dapbest

01-12-2010, 10:38 PM

As a foreigner, can only purchase 3 storey shophouse. Most asking price >RM 1 mil even for non prime area in contruction stage!:mad: What will be the better price to pay without geting burn? thanks for advice:)

Once u purchase, its quite difficult to rent it out now. Cos the supply is literally flooded while demand is not really there. To be frank, the economy of the entire Johor state is probably 10 times smaller than Singapore even though Johor is 50 times bigger than Singapore. So the demand of shophouses will never outstrip the supply. But if u must buy, look out for Nusa Bestari 2 or Sutera Utama side.. Good prospect but capital appreciate is limited as it has already appreciated 100%.

I will still advise you against buying a shoplot. If u got spare cash, drive to East ledang side and see if there are any more apartments to buy and rent to students of the universities.

wahlaneh

01-12-2010, 10:40 PM

wahlaneh...
next time got MRT train direct to Ah Fook Kai liao.:D
"dingdong...next stop johor bahru..."

dapbest

01-12-2010, 10:41 PM

Good news on TV just now, S'pore and M'sia's joint venture project in Iskandar Malaysia is expected to be launched in coming May! S'pore has been sending ppl over to Iskandar region for research and study of the plan.

I cant believe it! A Rapid system is gota connect Singapore directly to Nusajaya 10 years down the road. I can only see capital appreciation in all the properties in and around Iskandar. Now is still 2010 and everything is still in infancy. Come 2020 and I think Iskandar region near Legoland and the various universities, Puteri Harbour will be Singapore's Orchard road x 5 times bigger.

wahlaneh

01-12-2010, 11:16 PM

mas selamat kastari must be laughing in his cell now.:D
"train is coming...train is coming..."
also regretted at the same time: "alamak, should tell me earlier mah then no need to swim across...";)

Investor

02-12-2010, 12:48 AM

I cant believe it! A Rapid system is gota connect Singapore directly to Nusajaya 10 years down the road.

Directly to Nusajaya? Where can I find that news dapbest? Thanks a lot.

dapbest

02-12-2010, 03:21 AM

Directly to Nusajaya? Where can I find that news dapbest? Thanks a lot.

sorry i read it somewhere once even though its not finalised. its just a proposal as of now.. but surely the train will stop at tanjong puteri according to the report.

But there are talks of water taxis and ferry terminals being set up linking puteri harbour to singapore directly. the strait is the narrowest between singapore and malaysia so several years down the road, it shd materalise

Investor

02-12-2010, 04:28 AM

sorry i read it somewhere once even though its not finalised. its just a proposal as of now.. but surely the train will stop at tanjong puteri according to the report.

But there are talks of water taxis and ferry terminals being set up linking puteri harbour to singapore directly. the strait is the narrowest between singapore and malaysia so several years down the road, it shd materalise

Ok lets buy a fleet of motorized boats and offer our Budget Crossing and Budget Straits Cruising services ;D

Investor

02-12-2010, 04:30 AM

sorry i read it somewhere once even though its not finalised. its just a proposal as of now.. but surely the train will stop at tanjong puteri according to the report.

But there are talks of water taxis and ferry terminals being set up linking puteri harbour to singapore directly. the strait is the narrowest between singapore and malaysia so several years down the road, it shd materalise

Oh yah, where is Tanjong Puteri? Is it Puteri Harbour?

<fud>

02-12-2010, 04:48 AM

Hi Coolstaint I think you mistook my security films for cars as security guards. I have never trusted security guards. What i meant is to invest thoe protective security films on your car windows which can withstand smashes and impact to your car window. Its a huge step to prevent robbers from smashing your car windows.

Security guards? Well I have never trusted them even in Singapore! Best to survive in JB if u want to go shopping and park your car is to install cameras, protective films on your windows, bring valuables down, drive simple cars etc. Some money cannot be saved. As we all know smashing car windows to steal in Malaysia is as common as our Singapore notorious lift robberies.

Hi dapbest, where to get such protective security films for cars?

Does film prevent windows from breaking or just hold the broken pieces together?

Thanks. :)

dapbest

02-12-2010, 07:34 AM

Oh yah, where is Tanjong Puteri? Is it Puteri Harbour?

Initially I had tot that it is puteri harbour but i heard tanjong puteri is somewhere near the causeway CIQ.. perhaps to the right side.. not very sure on this but it shd not be puteri harbour.

You see dapbest is not perfect.. my brother papbest in sg knows alot more than dapbest.

dapbest

02-12-2010, 07:37 AM

Hi dapbest, where to get such protective security films for cars?

Does film prevent windows from breaking or just hold the broken pieces together?

Thanks. :)

hi u may do a google search by typing "Security films" etc .. in Singapore together with the solar file it will cost slightly over S$1000.. but its definitely worth it.. in jb i think its worth RM 1000+ too but i dont really trust them and i dont recommend doing in jb. Got once i tot this shop in Tun Aminah can help but he actually sub it out to another "real" company.. never mind this but when talking to the "real" contractors, they told me that the boss actually ask them to install the protective films on the rear windscreens but that bastard charge me for the whole car! one day i will burn down his shop for sure. Its opposite a pratashop along a row of shophouse with the famous tuition centre zhao ji just above and next to it. Avoid this black shop at all cost.

wiseguy

02-12-2010, 01:24 PM

Oh yah, where is Tanjong Puteri? Is it Puteri Harbour?

Tanjung Puteri is slightly east of JB, seems it is under land reclamation?

Coolsaint77

02-12-2010, 03:00 PM

Hi dapbest, where to get such protective security films for cars?

Does film prevent windows from breaking or just hold the broken pieces together?

Thanks. :)

These are know as anti-shatter films. It prevents glass from shattering. Repeated hammering will still break through the glass in less than a minute, but this is still better than unprotected windows which can be broken and things stolen in less than 10 seconds.

wuqi256

02-12-2010, 06:18 PM

Ok guys so heres the deal on a few things:

Puteri Harbour CIQ - Ferry terminal for visitors from SG, very likely to materialise. It will be 5-9 minutes away from places like EH, LH, HH and LF.

The Puteri harbour condos they are now selling have the CIQ in their plans and is built around it.

Solar film is definitely doable, (i did for one car, brand is ice something, whole care less than 540 RM, another car i used Vcool, its about 800RM)but security type ones best to do it in SG or else do it when you ARE ONSITE rather than let them persuade you to go for coffee.

Just wait and see what they use. There should be some kind of sticker as well as warranty card for the good ones. There are bad hats here, just stay clear of those identified as bad and you will be fine.

wuqi256

02-12-2010, 06:23 PM

It will be at Puteri Harbour area:

http://www.jurunilai.com.my/websitearticle/iskandarmalaysiathesoutherndevelopmentcorridor2.ht ml

Map:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:QtjvEZBAE5oJ:www.nusajayacity.com/images/map_puteri_NJ.pdf+puteri+harbour+ciq&hl=en&gl=my&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj6s9cgp8CoGHWPZC-vG_NHUnhO2wNd4yPpp_iI_Svdne8DJcZ9OcJqIwsdMPOqSC-YYfUL984exlUIceTWM0FlkW01NkjxRctxEuOjv_HFSkNm8AkyF gnAhmPMegUGfNrynTjJ&sig=AHIEtbSSllL4Z85Ew-RzkXfHkKQPKsePOw

Wan Abdullah said its high-end residential projects, East Ledang and Horizon Hills, a joint venture between UEM Land and Gamuda Bhd, had attracted a large number of foreign buyers.

“Foreigners made up of 65% and 45% of the buyers at East Ledang and Horizon Hills respectively and the projects have recorded a good take-up rate,’’ he said.

He said UEM Land would sign a contract with the Federal Government this year to build a housing project for the latter’s staff based in Kota Iskandar.

Wan Abdullah said it would also submit a proposal to the Federal Government to build the Customs, Immigration and Quarantine complex (CIQ) at Puteri Harbour.

He said the CIQ Puteri would facilitate visitors coming to Johor Baru from Singapore using water taxis and ferries from nearby islands in the Riau Archipelago such as Bintan and Batam.

Wan Abdullah said the CIQ Puteri would also provide similar facilities for boaters and yachters from all over the world to moor their vessels.

Meanwhile, Iskandar Regional Development Authority chief executive officer Harun Johari said investment in Iskandar Malaysia would be largely driven by the private sector.

Source:
http://www.dangabay.com/en/media-centre/press-room/62-nusajaya-progressing-well-despite-economic-glut

wuqi256

02-12-2010, 06:24 PM

Yes Investor, it is at Puteri Harbour. :)

wuqi256

02-12-2010, 06:26 PM

Think we are too late to start a ferry service, there are already ferry operators in the midst of bidding to do it.

Next time, houses in the area here will be easily reachable by ferry on top of your ubiquitous car and bus services like the CW3.

Whats4

03-12-2010, 01:09 AM

Once u purchase, its quite difficult to rent it out now. Cos the supply is literally flooded while demand is not really there. To be frank, the economy of the entire Johor state is probably 10 times smaller than Singapore even though Johor is 50 times bigger than Singapore. So the demand of shophouses will never outstrip the supply. But if u must buy, look out for Nusa Bestari 2 or Sutera Utama side.. Good prospect but capital appreciate is limited as it has already appreciated 100%.

I will still advise you against buying a shoplot. If u got spare cash, drive to East ledang side and see if there are any more apartments to buy and rent to students of the universities.

even for biz purpose not advisable?

Stevewish

03-12-2010, 02:34 AM

even for biz purpose not advisable?

Hi,

As mentioned, rental is "peanut", that also means the cost of business is very low and shall favour business.:)

very low rental+cheap labour+cheap materials = > higher profit margin ?

No risk no gain

wuqi256

03-12-2010, 04:17 AM

even for biz purpose not advisable?

The Danga Utama shop lot site near Carrefour was sold out when we went back there to check a few hours later. Rental for shops is actually very lucrative but we are too late to buy now as the prices are now 1 plus million for most places worth buying. Commercial property prices are too high now, jacking up rental for most people.

Residential property is still ok, especially in the area near the universities, etc.

dapbest

03-12-2010, 05:38 AM

even for biz purpose not advisable?

Buying for your own use is perfectly ok as its considered value-for-money and u dont have to worry about being able to rent out etc or the rental yield etc.

Investor

03-12-2010, 04:03 PM

Thanks Wuqi, dapbest and wiseguy for your replies :)

Thanks for the link Wuqi, now I'm thinking of getting 1 or 2 more terraces again ;)

wuqi256

03-12-2010, 05:11 PM

dapbest

04-12-2010, 12:13 AM

Ok, just heard the news from excited relatives who came by today, i first heard of the proposal being mooted but now it seems its confirmed the MRT will be connecting to here in 8 years time?

Haven't been watching the news lately, is it really confirmed or still just a proposal?

Old news from May.
http://ansek.tchmachines.com/~smpmlrpd/viewtopic.php?p=249345&highlight=&sid=20f349b05298a9e5e90452cbe7571c9c

hi wuqi, i have just checked online and found that Tanjong puteri is actually inside Stulang laut area right next to the new CIQ. Puteri Harbour and TAnjong putueri are actually two different places. The mrt will now lead to tanjong puteri for sure ( its just like our bus 160/170 ) and it will occur in 5-10 years time.

A MRT leading into Nusajaya is inside the proposal but i am not sure if its 100% confirmed.

dapbest

04-12-2010, 02:19 AM

Thanks Wuqi, dapbest and wiseguy for your replies :)

Thanks for the link Wuqi, now I'm thinking of getting 1 or 2 more terraces again ;)

Hi investor have u checked out the market rate for rentals of semi ds and terraces in HH and East Ledang?

I was told by the sales that a semi-d in Horizon hills currently can fetch between rm6000-rm8000+ a month. Monthly instalment is probably rm3000+. And we are talking about a 7-9% yield in this instance. Not sure if there are actually units being rented out for this rate as I am still checking things out.

Hope bro wuqi can further advise on the rental condition

wiseguy

04-12-2010, 02:47 AM

Land reclamation is planned at the tjg puteri area, which is 10km east of jb town, to facilitate site of the mrt station development. Thk u

Coolsaint77

04-12-2010, 03:04 AM

Hi investor have u checked out the market rate for rentals of semi ds and terraces in HH and East Ledang?

I was told by the sales that a semi-d in Horizon hills currently can fetch between rm6000-rm8000+ a month. Monthly instalment is probably rm3000+. And we are talking about a 7-9% yield in this instance. Not sure if there are actually units being rented out for this rate as I am still checking things out.

Hope bro wuqi can further advise on the rental condition

For EL... i hear varying info... someone put out an ad to rent out a corner unit semi-D with 6300 sft land for just MYR5500 per month, that house must have costs at least 1.3m (phase 1)... at the same time i was told someone rented out a furnished semi-D for MYR7500 p/mth? I think the current rental for EL might not be good due to unavailability of amenities.

Investor

04-12-2010, 03:37 AM

Investor

04-12-2010, 04:36 AM

Hi investor have u checked out the market rate for rentals of semi ds and terraces in HH and East Ledang?

I was told by the sales that a semi-d in Horizon hills currently can fetch between rm6000-rm8000+ a month. Monthly instalment is probably rm3000+. And we are talking about a 7-9% yield in this instance. Not sure if there are actually units being rented out for this rate as I am still checking things out.

Hope bro wuqi can further advise on the rental condition

For EL, terraces bought at RM4xx,xxx are rented out at RM3xxx/mth.(Not rumour, one of our fellow forummer achieved that).

For semi-d in EL, based on the same rental yield, rental should be around RM6xxx/mth.

Rental rates depends on many other factors, above rates are just achievable guideline.

Investor

04-12-2010, 05:07 AM

Being ignorant in this case?

Being uninformed and thinking that all proposed projects will materialized without factoring all risks involved. Yes, that's being ignorant.

Trying to avoid being labeled as ignorant and thus assuming that all projects will not materialize. Yes, that's being equally ignorant, on the other extreme.

I don't think anyone here is ignorant. Supporters, like dapbest, knows that not all projects will succeed, skeptics like Myo said "Just be cautious. We can still hope". No one here is an extremist. Are you?

Investor

04-12-2010, 05:11 AM

Hi Coolsaint,

Have you confirmed your EL Semi-D yet? :)

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:15 AM

hi wuqi, i have just checked online and found that Tanjong puteri is actually inside Stulang laut area right next to the new CIQ. Puteri Harbour and TAnjong putueri are actually two different places. The mrt will now lead to tanjong puteri for sure ( its just like our bus 160/170 ) and it will occur in 5-10 years time.

A MRT leading into Nusajaya is inside the proposal but i am not sure if its 100% confirmed.

Yes, there are going to be multiple CIQs, someone just sent me this:

1. Woodlands (Land access, causeway)
2. Tuas (Land access through bridge)
3. Tanjong Puteri (Land access through train)
4. Puteri Harbour (Access from the sea through ferry)

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:18 AM

Agree, just ignore, there are some people are still adamant that 50 year once in a year flash floods will never occur in Singapore even if it has already occured multiple times in a single year.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:22 AM

Oh yes, it is being rented out at this rate currently, even i was surprised. This rate is unheard of.

A subtle change occured in the local mindset recently from what i can see. Exactly one year ago, contractors coming to fix and install stuff were telling me not to buy here, its over priced, etc etc. It will never go up, it will depreciate immediately, etc.

Now the same guy, in fact even amongst his colleagues are all saying, they should have bought at least one.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:24 AM

In HH, a friend of mine rented out his semi-d to a Singaporean family for $5500 but his immediate neighbour rented out his to a KL family for $7500 and that family transformed the place into some kind of mini palace with bali style furnishings.

$7500, that is some good rental yield.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:26 AM

Even with just 1 development coming up or just the highway materializing, this neighbourhood would be worth more than current. This one is for sure.

Just how much more is the debatable topic.

Investor

04-12-2010, 06:01 AM

Exactly one year ago, contractors coming to fix and install stuff were telling me not to buy here, its over priced, etc etc. It will never go up, it will depreciate immediately, etc.

Now the same guy, in fact even amongst his colleagues are all saying, they should have bought at least one.

They will have deeper regret another year later when Nusajaya comes to life.

LKY's comment about S'poreans being ignorant(uninformed, unaware, lack of knowledge) is indeed correct, so many are not even aware of the progress of their closest neighbor, let alone seizing any potential opportunity.

Coolsaint77

04-12-2010, 06:01 AM

Hi Coolsaint,

Have you confirmed your EL Semi-D yet? :)

Not yet, how about sell me one of your Type C you have 3 units right :-p

Next Monday signing S&P. Beginner's luck... went down again last Thu to survey site and turned up one buyer returned a unit Type B. It is facing the slim garden instead of having a house right beside... i swapped to this unit since it will have its whole stretch facing the slim slim garden, and this unit is not at the boundary

Investor

04-12-2010, 06:12 AM

For Semi-D, I only have one. The other two are terraces of Phase 7 :) I'm thinking of getting 1 or 2 more terraces, will be going to Nusajaya with a friend tomorrow.

Investor

04-12-2010, 06:18 AM

Not yet, how about sell me one of your Type C you have 3 units right :-p

Next Monday signing S&P. Beginner's luck... went down again last Thu to survey site and turned up one buyer returned a unit Type B. It is facing the slim garden instead of having a house right beside... i swapped to this unit since it will have its whole stretch facing the slim slim garden, and this unit is not at the boundary

By the way, you have to take note of the location of an electrical room in Phase 2. Standing on Phase 2 and facing Phase 1, the electrical room is located on the right hand corner between Phase 1 and Phase 2. Your resale value will be affected because many people will choose not to have an electrical room next to their house.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 09:25 AM

By the way, you have to take note of the location of an electrical room in Phase 2. Standing on Phase 2 and facing Phase 1, the electrical room is located on the right hand corner between Phase 1 and Phase 2. Your resale value will be affected because many people will choose not to have an electrical room next to their house.

Astute observation, best to avoid those with high power lines, transformer rooms or electrical power related buildings for health reasons

Coolsaint77

04-12-2010, 09:55 AM

By the way, you have to take note of the location of an electrical room in Phase 2. Standing on Phase 2 and facing Phase 1, the electrical room is located on the right hand corner between Phase 1 and Phase 2. Your resale value will be affected because many people will choose not to have an electrical room next to their house.

To be honest i missed this. If i am standing on phase 2 and facing phase 1, i am towards the left corner... ie towards the Ledang Heights side. I hope i'm quite a distance away?

Coolsaint77

04-12-2010, 10:00 AM

For Semi-D, I only have one. The other two are terraces of Phase 7 :) I'm thinking of getting 1 or 2 more terraces, will be going to Nusajaya with a friend tomorrow.

I somehow have the feeling smaller units will have a better investment return per investment dollar... up to the max size of semi-D

Investor

04-12-2010, 10:39 AM

Astute observation, best to avoid those with high power lines, transformer rooms or electrical power related buildings for health reasons

Yes, I've googled about this before.

Investor

04-12-2010, 10:41 AM

To be honest i missed this. If i am standing on phase 2 and facing phase 1, i am towards the left corner... ie towards the Ledang Heights side. I hope i'm quite a distance away?

Yes no problem at all, the units affected are those right beside the electrical room.

Investor

04-12-2010, 10:47 AM

I somehow have the feeling smaller units will have a better investment return per investment dollar... up to the max size of semi-D

I think so too because price psf of terrace in EL is lowest compared to semi-d and bungalow. So more room left for upside.

wiseguy

04-12-2010, 01:16 PM

To clarify, land reclamation is earmarked at Tjg Puteri to site the MRT station development - in addition to the reclaimed coast stretch along Jln Sultan Ibrahim.

Stevewish

04-12-2010, 02:05 PM

Hi Friends,

Is it true that foreigner is eligible to purchase maximum of TWO residential lot?
Please advice.

Actually someone mentioned, Setia build budget home, but after checking their past few years history on property price, I doubt so. Their selling prices have never "budget" or cheap. Perhaps, it's compared to high end housing or >10 years ago pricing.

Setia Tropical has left one unit land 28 X 85 terrace (very BIG terrace (not corner: normal type land area 20 X 70), build-up never check. The location is very very near to NS highway. The future highway will bypass current Tebrau ( always jam currently) so driving will take 10min at most from causeway CIQ.
Price quoted RM 518k~568K( price cannot confirm but was told within).

Please advice whether it 's a good buy. Thank you.

danteakc

04-12-2010, 02:05 PM

Hi dapbest, where to get such protective security films for cars?

Does film prevent windows from breaking or just hold the broken pieces together?

Thanks. :)

Can google for Wingard at Singapore near Jurong east. Cost is $1500 for all windows. Or can try Llumar at Kakit Bukit same price. However look out for tensile strength n break point. Llumar so far has best points with it's titanium series. Very black Flim. Not LTA friendly. Diamond series exp but LTA friendly. I'm getting Llumar at Taman Molek titanium series as JB is famous for breaking into windows when there is bags or gauges that can be seen from window.
Also take note front screen already equipped with thick glass so not recommended to paste however the side windows are a must! Gdluck

danteakc

04-12-2010, 02:10 PM

All flims are meant to delay protrusion never meant to stop unless u install thicker flims which literally get the window stuck n unable to wind down. The best solution is to prevent green eye monstor. Keep bags n gauges hidden.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 04:12 PM

Since you have highlighted my name, pray point out what kind of vested interest i may have?

You have done so consistently from day one with claims to have superior knowledge about JB, i do not make that claim. I only share my experience.

Again, no one needs to take instruction from me or even your good learned self how they want to do things and spend their hard earned money, they are all adults and know what is right or wrong without needing to cast asperations or insult people at every turn.

I do not profit and those who had PM me and corresponded will know better. Its always been about living in JB and not investing in JB, my properties here are for my own use and i have never approached anyone for sale, etc.

I have also written back to people on my own time or in the middle of the night when they wanted some feedback, etc.

I am glad your stance has remained unchanged(good for you!) as its a good source of reminder but the even the locals here now are starting or already have adapted to a very different view.

"I have friends who dare not drive to Johore till today!" - Good for you and your friends, like what folks here have pointed out, lesser jams for everyone.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 04:18 PM

"Tell that to the ordinary Malaysians - they say you are stupid, if not crazy!"

Actually, that is old news.

They no longer say you are crazy, the guy who came to my place one year ago said did say that. The same guy who just came to install new aircon for my 2nd living room now says he should have bought.

Just like the same guys who scoffed at shoplots sold at 600k in the past at Nusa Bestari, until today still cannot believe it. My neighbour in fact just had a conversation with me about this 3 days back and he is local and going house hunting now.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 04:20 PM

Some of my learned friends will agree with that, again no investment is 100% secure though.

Leongsam

04-12-2010, 05:08 PM

Hi Friends,

Is it true that foreigner is eligible to purchase maximum of TWO residential lot?
Please advice.

Please advice whether it 's a good buy. Thank you.Should be "Please ADVISE.".

"Advice" is a noun.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:12 PM

Hi Stevewish, you can get as much as you wish, banks though will stop lending at the 3rd property. Setia is ok but only selected places are worth buying.

wuqi256

04-12-2010, 05:16 PM

"Forummers like Wuqi are doing a good job sharing their real life experiences living there. Very noble indeed - if it is without vested interest!"

Oh of course you don't, you are perfect and never insult others. You are not superior sounding, know it all and have never claim to have superior experience. (past houses, floods in less than 50 years) You have never cast asperations on others too as you are just trying to help everyone here realise that there is no world outside of Singapore, we will just die and wilt outside.

Oh yes, floods only in JB and nowhere else. Shophouses in JB all are still built on stilts and only single storey. The roofs must still be made of attap too!! :D

Twisting? I leave that to the others to decide. I for sure have moved on, to JB.
Thank you. :D

dapbest

04-12-2010, 11:11 PM

I have friends who dare not drive to Johore till today!

Sure or not Bro Myo369? Maybe your friend is already staying INSIDE Johor?

euphony

05-12-2010, 12:57 AM

Myo:

I will say this once and will not reply to your further posts if you so choose. Also, I don't have a bone to pick with you either just replying to things you've posted. I think you have valid concerns in fact all of us who decided to shift to JB have had these exact same concerns. But the thing is we try to adapt and find ways to get around these. That shows the true human potential no? These concerns are not an end to itself. Else nobody will live in Alaska for the cold and dreary sunless piece of land, nobody will live in HK for the compact and tight living quarters and the list goes on.

Talk about floods what of Bukit Timah? Surely people are still staying put even after the death of their hyper expensive drowned cars. The same place has seen termite infested days too according to my colleague who was a victim. All factors considered we've made our peace and are secretly enjoying our decision. Its good to practice discretion and as the Chinese saying goes '3 thoughts' however, but exercise too much caution to the point of paranoia means most often missing the last boat.

I teach and this is the same thing I tell my students - chart out your own path rather than just follow the nice and trodden path then you'll be ahead and leading the followers rather than be another follower which incidentally is one of the major reasons why SG has so few entrepreneurs because of the 'risks' perceived.

Actually I am not trying to convince you to come over to JB actually that's not my point at all but to point out the intricacies of the thought process for I am not without fault either, my view is definitely biased since I am talking to you from the 'dark' side. haha. cheers and let's have a cuppa and enjoy the Sunny Sunday afternoon fellow formers.

edm23

05-12-2010, 01:38 AM

Just ignore him. This thread is not here to compare the two countries, it is for the sharing of useful information. Don't get sidetracked.

People with his mentality will always create trouble.

Hey bros and friends, as bro ManBearPig62 has rightfully pointed out, let us not sidetrack from the objective of this thread. We are all here to find out and share information about "Living in JB", let us realign our discussions back towards Wuqi's original intend of starting this thread shall we? Peace to all :)

Let me start the ball rolling, i went down to HH yesterday to have a look... There are some serious activities and action going on within the development.. Its my first trip to HH and i have to say it is very impressive indeed! Very envious of all that went in early, the prices have went up by quite a fair bit since a year or two ago.

I think business must be really good coz the sales person that was serving me and my wife can't really be bothered to make my stay an impressionable one. I was made to follow him in my car and he was driving so fast that i have problem catching up with him! He didn't really provide me with much information abt the units that we went to, once we reached, he will just leave us alone to walk about. When we reached the Fairway Suites showroom, he didn't even go in with us?? Just showed us the door and lighted a cigerette... Does anyone have similar experience? Any bros here have better sales person to recommend?

edm23

05-12-2010, 02:28 AM

Hi bros, i am now shopping around for a mortage loan. Would like to find out your opinions and views on loans that are structured around BLR Vs FDR.

From what i understand, EXN BXXk is the only bank offering it now. At first impression, the FDR seems to be better as its 1% + FD rates and logically FD rates should be more stable vs BLR. However after comparing BLR and FDR, it seems that the BLR - 2.3% deals seems to yield a better deal between 2000 onwards largely. Any comments or views?

Funds Transfer

05-12-2010, 04:56 AM

Headlines in The New Paper on Sunday; December 5, 2010

LEAVING IN FEAR

Victim who lost 3 fingers in savage slashing flees Singapore after attackers' release from detention.

Helpless dad fears for son's life, relocates family to 'neighbouring country'.

Is the place safer than Singapore?

See Page 6.

Coolsaint77

05-12-2010, 05:52 AM

...I think business must be really good coz the sales person that was serving me and my wife can't really be bothered to make my stay an impressionable one. I was made to follow him in my car and he was driving so fast that i have problem catching up with him! He didn't really provide me with much information abt the units that we went to, once we reached, he will just leave us alone to walk about. When we reached the Fairway Suites showroom, he didn't even go in with us?? Just showed us the door and lighted a cigerette... Does anyone have similar experience? Any bros here have better sales person to recommend?

Haha so far i met 2 sales person, one Malay guy and another Indian lady. Both seems to be laid back and not keen to "sell". On the 3rd try i met this girl Shinyi who brought me to view the houses. She is a little more keen... and she told me she was hoping to win the top salesperson award so she hopes i could help her... lol... she is not great but certainly better than the rest

Coolsaint77

05-12-2010, 05:55 AM

I have friends who dare not drive to Johore till today!

Sure or not Bro Myo369? Maybe your friend is already staying INSIDE Johor?

To be honest i still do encounter people who dare not drive to JB. There are also friends who think JB houses should not be more than 100-200k. I might invite them to my house when it is ready in 2 years time... see if they still think it is worth 100-200k... :)

Batok Seri

05-12-2010, 07:21 AM

I think business must be really good coz the sales person that was serving me and my wife can't really be bothered to make my stay an impressionable one. I was made to follow him in my car and he was driving so fast that i have problem catching up with him! He didn't really provide me with much information abt the units that we went to, once we reached, he will just leave us alone to walk about. When we reached the Fairway Suites showroom, he didn't even go in with us?? Just showed us the door and lighted a cigerette... Does anyone have similar experience? Any bros here have better sales person to recommend?

I got similar detached treatment from a Adda Heights Chinese sales guy while an Indian East Ledang rep was very professional and followed up closely. So its hardly a race thing.

Experience with Tophills sales folks (rent and resale) was also hit and miss. A few don't answer phones while others don't respond promptly.

Things go at a different pace here.
Don't take it personally.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 10:38 AM

You know what, i don't even want to bother replying anymore as its a gross waste of time.

Maybe i misunderstood but your continuing twisting and turning here is apparent to all but i shall digress here but just like your masters, you clearly think too little of the fellow Singaporeans here.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 10:49 AM

Ok edm, i actually asked a few learned friends here, the locals take on it, out of 5, 3-4 will still look at FD rates for loans.

toyohon

05-12-2010, 10:55 AM

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 10:56 AM

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 11:01 AM

Coolsaint, unfortunately no one looks down on Singaporeans more than those in the civil service and their own countrymen. Hence the need to import FTs by the truckload every day.

Those in the govt service couldn't care less as they are not in the private sector so they are probably still safe, at least for now.

First they came for the poor, and I did not speak out--
because I was not poor;
Then they came for the those in the MNCs, and I did not speak out--
because I was not in any MNC;
Then they came for those in the SMEs, and I did not speak out--
because I was not in any SME;
Then they came for those new graduates, and I did not speak out--
because I was holding on to my job;

Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 12:05 PM

Bro Wuqi
It take all kinds to have a "balance" in this world. Its good to have contrasting views to "remind" us once in a while though it can be irritating once cynicism sets in. Let's just focus and continue the sharing / discussion.;)

Oh the other side of the coin is welcomed! What is not is either folks criticizing or making personal attacks or doubting people's intentions and then editing out their post when people replied or caught them out. Then when they cannot reply or stuck, they will just do the government "move on" routine that everyone is so tired of these days.

When its once or twice, i don't even care but do it too often and its hitting below the belt and starts to get personal. I didn't even mention both Johore and JB first but someone had to and once i pointed that out as he was referring to life over the otherside, then its time to do the point fingers, twist plus "confuse the issue time"

Thanks for the reminder though, i don't even want/bother to reply on this now.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 12:57 PM

Ok, the slashing part is really scary, seems there are lots of slashing crime all over lately.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 01:00 PM

Thanks euphony, there are always different arguments and all are welcome as this is just a discussion on the next steps as we all need to plan ahead long term.

Even if things over here don't take off, its still a good place to retire to, there is a very learned dear friend of mine here who i look up to. He is retiring here nicely and i hope
to be like him when i grow older.

Where are you putting up at in JB? Perharps you can also share with us your experience here.

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 01:06 PM

Its a bit funny, in a way, 2 years ago i was like that exactly and didn't think it was even safe to step in one bit.

By the way, what do you think of the service at the MacDonalds in the round about? Oh also, there is a very good chinese physician near Eon Bank, also at the round about, only thing is he is a bit too expensive but very very effective for back, sprains, etc. Really very good.

The only place i know matches up in SG would not be the Seah ah cheok place (they turned me and my friends away as it was nearing their lunchtime even though my friend couldn't even walk or sit without getting a lot pain) but the place in Ang Mo Kio place at blk 124, can't remember the exact address now. The doc over there (AMK) really good though with accupuncture, etc.

Coolsaint77

05-12-2010, 01:49 PM

First you need to know where to avoid. Next you need to take the necessary safety precautions. The lesson i learnt is never to leave anything in the car that passers-by have visibility. If you keep these in mind then you are pretty ok not just in JB but anywhere in Malaysia. Last but not least you do need some patience in terms of local culture, eg. people can stop their car beside a coffee shop to order food causing jams, park anywhere and everywhere when there are proper parking lots.

There are places which make me feel rather uncomfortable... in particular those old towns deep in the heartland like Tun Aminah area, or Taman Sentosa area... i avoid these places. The coffee shops around where i stay are pretty ok.

There is one coffee shop near Petronas kiosk where you can board a bus to Jurong east - that is a good place to have dinner and breakfast... ever so happening. The "chi chong fan" is made fresh on the spot and i never fail to have that for Sat morning breakfast.

There is a newer coffee shop diagonally opposite the big open area popular for flying kites. The prawn noodles and ngoh hiang are good.

Then there is the coffee shop beside Old Town white coffee along Nusa Bestari. The Thai food is pretty nice.

Bestmart itself also has a nice Thai food stall... and a haven for DVDs... oops

If you want more comfy restaurants, there is a Korean restaurant at the F&B area before carrefour Sutera Mall... its authentic and reasonably priced (look... i dint say cheap cheap cheap). "Soul Thai" near the police station is quite authentic as well, you can have a massage after your dinner... that's life isn't it. The "Eminent" seems extremely popular i wonder why?

I don't quite like the dental clinic, i am only aware of one before Bestmart. I still do my dental treatment in Singapore. For medical i use the Koh clinic along Nusa Bestari if i'm not in Singapore. Dr Koh is a good guy and does have some compassion of a doctor unlike many arrogant doctors we see elsewhere. His clinic opens 16 hours a day. For haircut there are plenty of choices in Sutera Mall, Jusco Bukit Indah... as well as the shops along Nusa Bestari. Car workshops are everywhere. The workshop people are quite ok despite the infamous reputation. If you need to buy some supplies and it is almost 11pm, there is a provision shop near the coffee shop opposite Petronas.

Only fruits are expensive. Today i bought some fruits at Tanjong Pagar market and i thought they are better quality and cheaper... maybe about the same price as JB.

Coolsaint77

05-12-2010, 02:11 PM

Its a bit funny, in a way, 2 years ago i was like that exactly and didn't think it was even safe to step in one bit.

By the way, what do you think of the service at the MacDonalds in the round about? Oh also, there is a very good chinese physician near Eon Bank, also at the round about, only thing is he is a bit too expensive but very very effective for back, sprains, etc. Really very good.

Is it Tabib Bai Yun? Which Mac? Is it the new one opposite Jusco Bukit Indah? I normally do drive through at the Mac opposite Bestmart.

Although i hate to drive through Jalan Nusa Bestari... i still drive through very often... my wife likes to do her wet marketing at Bestmart

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 02:20 PM

Is it Tabib Bai Yun? Which Mac? Is it the new one opposite Jusco Bukit Indah? I normally do drive through at the Mac opposite Bestmart.

Although i hate to drive through Jalan Nusa Bestari... i still drive through very often... my wife likes to do her wet marketing at Bestmart

The one opposite Jusco, thats correct. Oh i used to do that too until this one opened. Me too, its pretty bad. Actually if you want to get veggies and fruits, best is still KIPmart in my humble opinion. :)

wuqi256

05-12-2010, 02:21 PM

Thanks for sharing so much information, much appreciated. :)
Agree, Tun Aminah area, or Taman Sentosa area, best to avoid.

edm23

05-12-2010, 02:22 PM

Sorry to hear edm, its all due to the rumour and scare mongering that has been going on for far too long. Even i was a victim of it but its not too late, there are other properties to consider.

For HH, you may be a bit late though, their sales folks attitudes have changed a bit, it used to be much better as they will take us around, etc in their vehicle. You should make a complain though about this, regardless whether you are going to buy or not.

I guess their sales figures must be doing ok, my dad just told me my learned neighbours friends from Aussieland are here today to discuss about properties here.

Even another learned friend, a very polite local here told me just the other day he will get a unit at the Golf. He just messenged me just now about it, seems the folks here are really moving as well.

Hey Bro Wuqi and CoolSaint, thanks much for the advice on the loans and the situation around HH's sales staff :) On the topic of FD rates, Bro Wuqi, did your friends tell you why they would rather choose the FD rates? There is a lock in period of 5 years (for refinancing) and I understand that FD rates are set at the discretion of the banks Vs BLR which is a blanket rate set by the bank of Negara. I really need to think hard about this as I will be making the call in a weeks time once all the banks gets back to me on my loan application.

Actually yesterday was also the day i committed to a unit at LF's Bayou Water Village. I know i had gone against all the advice on LF, but it just feels right and since i am buying it to stay in, i thought it is wise to just go with my gut feel. Wanted to explore on a second property for investment and so decided to check out HH and perhaps EL next week. If i had knew the service is suboptimal, i would have invested my time at EL instead.

I agree with Wuqi on the mindset of S'poreans (however i do not wish to start another of this conversation) i have actually been travelling into JB since 2000 and to me, it is really quite an ok place. Been broaching to my other half the topic about getting another property in JB since 2007 but have met with little success (she is a sceptic about JB). Until a couple of months back, i managed to persuade her to visit LF and that was where things changed.. Even my parents after visiting the place have agreed without a doubt that things are not as terrible as what they thought out to be. I am glad that the myth has been debunk... Now, the family is looking forward to relocate to our new place in LF and commute daily to SG to work.

Though i am alittle far away from all the HH bros, I hope to be able to catchup with everyone in time to come for a cuppa teh tarek at Bukit Indah :)

Investor

05-12-2010, 03:17 PM

If you want more comfy restaurants, there is a Korean restaurant at the F&B area before carrefour Sutera Mall... its authentic and reasonably priced (look... i dint say cheap cheap cheap). "Soul Thai" near the police station is quite authentic as well, you can have a massage after your dinner... that's life isn't it?

We just went to Soul Thai for massage and thai food, it was our 4th visit. This massage place has very nice reno! :)

Funds Transfer

05-12-2010, 03:57 PM

Discussing about life in Johore seems to be the rage in Singapore blogs.

Take a look at this link.

http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2010/12/cost-of-living-comparison.html

Investor

05-12-2010, 04:17 PM

banks though will stop lending at the 3rd property.

Hi Wuqi,
You mean banks will grant loans to each individual for a maximum of 3 units?

euphony

06-12-2010, 07:55 AM

Where are you putting up at in JB? Perhaps you can also share with us your experience here.

Nothing much to share actually as I am still picking up my experiences for the past 3 months. Am at Prima Regency currently. Bought a studio at Palazio and waiting for TOP as well as EDL's opening.

Otherwise - there is this blog (http://j-travel.blogspot.com/) I find very interesting because he documents some nice food places to try out (mostly JB).

Also for those who want to save even further, maybank's friends and family masters card (SG) is a must have 5% cash back on petrol in JB as well as tescos's, giant and carrefour. =)

linked

06-12-2010, 10:26 AM

Hello all Ive stayed in a condo near angsana since 2005 for 2 years and I really enjoyed staying there. When I stayed there, there was only few singaporeans but now I could see more and more singaporean renting and even bought the apartment there. Though my husband was sceptical about safety issue we still planning to buy our piece of property near gelang patah area. There are pros and cons but I really enjoy everytimes I stay in jb especially since Ive to visit my mom almost every possible weekends who have stayed in kulai for the past 2 years plus. There are rules to "know" and "understand" about staying in jb . Its indescribable the feeling of being in my moms place and able to basically enjoy the easy living there and being back home and felt claustophobic and "stressed". 1 thing I felt in jb is spacious, relax and time slow down and its the opposite when I came back to my own home. I care less about sceptics as Im done living like "zombie" in sg, So I really hoping to get more advise about buying a home there soon and getting my home early next year :)

dapbest

06-12-2010, 09:56 PM

Ok, the slashing part is really scary, seems there are lots of slashing crime all over lately.

Indeed. All along I know Spore got gangs but I am quite disturbed by the fact that they can openly slash to death rival gang members or innocent teenagers in public and broad daylight somemore.

In Johor over the past 3-5 years, I have seldom seen gang members.. even those with tatoos and with gang links are trying so hard to feed their family. They have all toned down. I wonder how come Singapore is learning from Malaysia the wrong way nowadays.

Back to HH, can you advise me on the rental of a bare or renovated semi-d in Gateway currently? The sales ex was bragging about rm8k anytime anyday.. but as u see, sale exs sure brag higher than the norm

dapbest

06-12-2010, 09:59 PM

[QUOTE=linked;620468]Hello all Ive stayed in a condo near angsana since 2005 for 2 years and I really enjoyed staying there. When I stayed there, there was only few singaporeans but now I could see more and more singaporean renting and even bought the apartment there. Though my husband was sceptical about safety issue we still planning to buy our piece of property near gelang patah area. There are pros and cons but I really.

Great to see you here! Actualy I quietly love Gelang Patah.. its the nearest town to the 2nd link and if u are doing business etc or just simple stay, Gelang patah is the surest bet. When my kids are ready to enter p1 in Singapore, I may move back to Singapore and relocate my office somewhere in Gelang Patah and renting out all my properties in HH and EL etc. In ten years time i foresee a rental income of RM 15,000 alone from Nusajaya and another S$3000 from Singapore after instalment payment. Hope I can retire soon as I have been working and hitting 18 hours mon to sun since 5-10 years ago!!

yattokame

06-12-2010, 10:47 PM

Hi all,

Went to view HH but they are all sold out except for the condo. Seems that they are launching superlink houses early next year for about RM700k up.

I quite like HH for its security and landscaping, and the accessibility to JUSCO. Are there any other similar locations? Am looking to buy for stay and for my parents and extended family's retirement.

Sorry i really couldn't read every post; really too much to stomach.

linked

07-12-2010, 02:56 AM

Great to see you here! Actualy I quietly love Gelang Patah.. its the nearest town to the 2nd link and if u are doing business etc or just simple stay, Gelang patah is the surest bet. When my kids are ready to enter p1 in Singapore, I may move back to Singapore and relocate my office somewhere in Gelang Patah and renting out all my properties in HH and EL etc. In ten years time i foresee a rental income of RM 15,000 alone from Nusajaya and another S$3000 from Singapore after instalment payment. Hope I can retire soon as I have been working and hitting 18 hours mon to sun since 5-10 years ago!!

Thanks, my husband is working such hours too just for us to manage our livability in sg hence the reason to start making some adjustments. Im hoping to get more news about the international school and also the news of singapore school that will be in jb soon so that I dont need to send my son to sg daily. Great advises and opinions from you guys, its a good guides for those who might want to have more options in life.:cool:

Coolsaint77

07-12-2010, 03:44 AM

...Been broaching to my other half the topic about getting another property in JB since 2007 but have met with little success (she is a sceptic about JB). Until a couple of months back, i managed to persuade her to visit LF and that was where things changed.. Even my parents after visiting the place have agreed without a doubt that things are not as terrible as what they thought out to be. I am glad that the myth has been debunk... Now, the family is looking forward to relocate to our new place in LF and commute daily to SG to work.

Same for my parents. 18 months ago when i told them i was moving to stay in JB they were like "are you nuts???"

My mum has since stayed over a couple of weekends. When i indicated i might want to move back to SG for a few years before returning to JB again for the convenience of kids, she was like "why? its ok to have kids in JB wad". I can see her enjoying every minute of the relaxed life and big spaces here.

whybornme

07-12-2010, 04:18 AM

Coolsaint77

07-12-2010, 05:27 AM

Parkway unit inks deal to build Gleneagles hospital in Iskandar

Tue, Dec 07, 2010
Reuters

SINGAPORE, Dec 7 (Reuters) - Global Capital & Development (GCD), a consortium whose members include Malaysian state investor Khazanah and Abu Dhabi's Mubadala , will develop a 300-room private hospital in Malaysia's Iskandar region, GCD said on Tuesday.

This follows an agreement with Malaysian hospital operator Pantai worth US$156 million (S$203.2 million) to build the Gleneagles Medini Hospital in the Iskandar economic zone located just north of Singapore.

Pantai is a part of Singapore healthcare group Parkway Holdings , which was taken over by Khazanah earlier this year.

Parkway operates Singapore's Mount Elizabeth and Gleneagles hospitals, which are both very popular with businessmen and politicians from across Asia.

Investor

07-12-2010, 09:42 AM

Straits Times, Tuesday, 7th Dec 2010.(Page B14)

Singapore and Malaysian investors will jointly develop a RM500 million waterfront residential and commercial project in Johor(Danga Bay). Imperial Marina, a Singapore property investment company will chip in RM150 million. The development will comprise of 700 units of serviced apartments spread over several tower blocks with retail space incorporated.

Azea Property Investment educates investors looking to invest in real estate. Azea Property ties its 1,000 investor members with potential deals across the world. Most of the buyers in the Danga Bay development will come from this group of investors.

All available units in one of the tower blocks have already been booked even before the project launch.

dapbest

07-12-2010, 12:08 PM

Same for my parents. 18 months ago when i told them i was moving to stay in JB they were like "are you nuts???"

My mum has since stayed over a couple of weekends. When i indicated i might want to move back to SG for a few years before returning to JB again for the convenience of kids, she was like "why? its ok to have kids in JB wad". I can see her enjoying every minute of the relaxed life and big spaces here.

3 years ago i bought my parents to view HH gateway semi-d showhouse worth rm700k. Facing the golf course. That time The Golf is just a huge piece of empty flat land.. therefore u can imagine the really far golf view from the Gateway.

My mum was blown away by the view. Never in her life after 70+ years of hardship in Singapore has she seen such a beautiful taman. Recently I told her I will invest and stay in a few semi-ds in HH and East Ledang etc, she was so happy that she asked me to drive her to HH again.. this time at least theres a clubhouse to show her around!

dapbest

07-12-2010, 12:10 PM

[QUOTE=Coolsaint77;620921]Parkway unit inks deal to build Gleneagles hospital in Iskandar

Tue, Dec 07, 2010
Reuters
Gleneagles hospital >>

wow.. now Iskandar is the "orchard road" of Johor bahru. When will Tan Tock Seng hospital be built in Iskander to cater to the mass majority?

Coolsaint77

07-12-2010, 01:11 PM

Investor

07-12-2010, 01:30 PM

Coolsaint77

07-12-2010, 02:16 PM

That's why I think terraces of East Ledang at around RM240 psf is the best buy. Moreover, there are no more terraces in EL after last phase 8. In future, all are Semi-Ds and Bungalows. I failed to get one more terrace in phase 7, all sold out :mad::mad::mad:

I noticed the sales staff try to discourage buyers from taking the terraces. I thought the new batch were not launched yet? And wasn't the starting price like 700k +? Anyway, i think our phase 2 balances of Type D & E are the last of the semi-Ds. They have changed their plan to make it all bungalows for the rest of the development. Very ambitious... i hope they succeed though, it is not a bad thing for our properties to be among enclaves comprising mainly bungalows... still i think semi-D would be their best bet of success

Stevewish

07-12-2010, 02:42 PM

Investor

07-12-2010, 03:15 PM

I noticed the sales staff try to discourage buyers from taking the terraces. I thought the new batch were not launched yet? And wasn't the starting price like 700k +? Anyway, i think our phase 2 balances of Type D & E are the last of the semi-Ds. They have changed their plan to make it all bungalows for the rest of the development. Very ambitious... i hope they succeed though, it is not a bad thing for our properties to be among enclaves comprising mainly bungalows... still i think semi-D would be their best bet of success

Luckily I have both types then :) New batch phase 8 will be launching soon, soft launch will be on the 19th for those who've already reserved their units in phase 8.

Presently, phase 7 is fully sold, and so are Bungalows of phase 2, so definitely they will encourage you to buy Semi-D of Phase 2 as they are left with only Semi-Ds now.

ginfreely

07-12-2010, 04:07 PM

Hi, anyone can recommend lawyer to handle conveyancing for purchase of resale property? Pl pm me, thanks.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:08 PM

Hi Yattokame, there are a lot of other places such as LF and EL amongst others. HH wise, you are a bit late. Some properties by Setia is good too. Try to buy direct from developers if you can. Cheers

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:10 PM

Wow, good for you. Its good to have a relaxing place to come home too, i am glad for you and your family.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:11 PM

Ok, the booking part before launch needs to be verified by if true, then it sounds like property here is really moving.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:12 PM

Ok, if Gleneagles come out to Iskandar, that would really be pretty good for everyone as it adds to the convenience(not that anyone wants to visit hospitals of course) :)
Thanks for sharing.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:13 PM

Good for you edm, well done! :)
You can soon fish from the comfort of your own home, that is really nice. :)

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:14 PM

Hi Wuqi,
You mean banks will grant loans to each individual for a maximum of 3 units?

Yes, some banks will have that limit. Other banks may still lend though but the new law to discourage speculators is now to limit to 70% the 3rd loan for a house.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:15 PM

We just went to Soul Thai for massage and thai food, it was our 4th visit. This massage place has very nice reno! :)

Nice, to be fair, we haven't tried the food there yet but the massage was a bit too harsh for my liking, my wife kind of got injured trying their massage.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:21 PM

Good for you Linked, there will always be pro and cons to any place, even in our beloved Singapore. Any country that you will go to, there will be good people and not so nice people. Its always good to put things into perspective and see things for yourself rather than just basing your decision on hearsay. Crime will always happen, somewhere somehow, thats why even our very efficient police says, low crime doesn't mean no crime.

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 04:24 PM

Noticed he will selectively ignore what he doesn't want to hear or reply.
Beware, don't post anything bad about SG as some people will react
very strongly.

Slashings, killings, gangfights and floods, these are only for 3rd world
countries and will NEVER happen in safe and secure SG.

Investor

07-12-2010, 05:07 PM

Nothing much to share actually as I am still picking up my experiences for the past 3 months. Am at Prima Regency currently. Bought a studio at Palazio and waiting for TOP as well as EDL's opening.

Otherwise - there is this blog (http://j-travel.blogspot.com/) I find very interesting because he documents some nice food places to try out (mostly JB).

Also for those who want to save even further, maybank's friends and family masters card (SG) is a must have 5% cash back on petrol in JB as well as tescos's, giant and carrefour. =)

Using SG credit card in overseas, you'll lose on lousy exchange rate from the bank so it's not exactly a 5% cash back. Best is to get a Malaysia's credit card and settle your bills in RM.

Investor

07-12-2010, 05:09 PM

Yes, some banks will have that limit. Other banks may still lend though but the new law to discourage speculators is now to limit to 70% the 3rd loan for a house.

Thanks Wuqi, now I know why I got 70% for my 3rd unit :)

Investor

07-12-2010, 05:14 PM

Nice, to be fair, we haven't tried the food there yet but the massage was a bit too harsh for my liking, my wife kind of got injured trying their massage.

Then you should choose oil massage instead of Thai massage, but price is more than double! To be frank, don't waste your money on their food, I'll give it 5 out of 10. Now you know why I only mentioned about the nice reno :D

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 05:15 PM

Thanks Wuqi, now I know why I got 70% for my 3rd unit :)

Sure, well done. :)

wuqi256

07-12-2010, 05:18 PM

Using SG credit card in overseas, you'll lose on lousy exchange rate from the bank so it's not exactly a 5% cash back. Best is to get a Malaysia's credit card and settle your bills in RM.

Thanks to bro euphony for sharing but i think investor is right here as the exchange rate is pretty bad.

A lot of places in both SG and JB can give you better rates but you must change in larger notes(50 dollar notes will do) and in larger sums. .

One thing we might want to share is the best place to change money in SG and in JB.

Investor

07-12-2010, 05:30 PM

Ok, the booking part before launch needs to be verified by if true, then it sounds like property here is really moving.

About 2 months ago, I was told that almost all the corner units of Phase 8 were already reserved! I found that there was only one left and told the sales person that I wanted to reserve that unit and will pay the deposit as soon as I can. On the next day, she called and told me that her manager had already received a cheque for reservation of that unit :mad: I ended up getting inter-terraces of Phase 7 about one month later when someone couldn't get their loan from the bank and had to give up their units.

Investor

07-12-2010, 05:41 PM

Thanks to bro euphony for sharing but i think investor is right here as the exchange rate is pretty bad.

A lot of places in both SG and JB can give you better rates but you must change in larger notes(50 dollar notes will do) and in larger sums. .

One thing we might want to share is the best place to change money in SG and in JB.

So far I think you can get one of the best rates from The Arcade at Collyer Quay. Not those on the 1st floor but those on the 2nd floor, you can compare their rates as they show it on their electronic display board. What I've noticed is that shop 'A' might be giving the best rate today, but comes tomorrow, shop 'D' is giving the best rate. So just compare when you are there. Difference can be up to RM0.30 per S$100. So if you change S$100k, difference can be RM300.

If comparing the good rate from Arcade and other normal money changer in shopping centres, difference can even be RM1.50 per S$100.

dapbest

07-12-2010, 10:11 PM

Thanks Wuqi, now I know why I got 70% for my 3rd unit :)

hi investor how much % of loan did the bank give you on your first purchase? I was told usually foreigners they will give 80-85% at most so i was quite surprised they gave me 90% loan.. i think from my 2nd house onwards they wont give me anything more than 85% though.

dapbest

07-12-2010, 10:15 PM

Then you should choose oil massage instead of Thai massage, but price is more than double! To be frank, don't waste your money on their food, I'll give it 5 out of 10. Now you know why I only mentioned about the nice reno :D

are u planning to rent out your properties soon in nusajaya? do u have any idea the rental rate for terrace and semi-de or cluster etc?

dapbest

07-12-2010, 10:21 PM

Ghosh i sure hope a property bubble doesn't form here in JB. It is rising a little too fast. Imagine the Ujana apartment is all sold out except 2 bumi units. They are planning to launch the seaview condos at Puteri Harbour at MYR800 psf. Initially they wanted to go for MYR900 psf... then the mgt chicken out and decided to lower the quality of materials a little and price at MYR 700 to 800 psf.

The 7 room small pool inclusive bungalows at EL which were sold at MYR2.4m would have been a good buy, unfortunately we all have missed this. Now they want to launch new phase, bigger than this, but at MYR3.0m... i sure hope the developer gets a little market lesson and suffer a little setback... i prefer a slow and sustainable rise

Hey coolstaint do u know where i can drop by to check out the condo at puteri harbour facing Singapore?

Its the nearest straits of land between singapore and malaysia. I simply cannot imagine the breath-taking sweeping panoramic view of Singapore from the top floor of the condo in puteri harour. Maybe one can even see SAF troops in action or cannons being fired. Full view I must say.

yattokame

07-12-2010, 11:30 PM

Hi Yattokame, there are a lot of other places such as LF and EL amongst others. HH wise, you are a bit late. Some properties by Setia is good too. Try to buy direct from developers if you can. Cheers

Hi thanx for replying.

What's LF and EL? I don't even know where to start. Any websites?

Investor

08-12-2010, 12:47 AM

hi investor how much % of loan did the bank give you on your first purchase? I was told usually foreigners they will give 80-85% at most so i was quite surprised they gave me 90% loan.. i think from my 2nd house onwards they wont give me anything more than 85% though.

I asked for 80% and thus they gave me that rate for both 1st and 2nd units =) Which bank did you get your loan from? What's your interest rate and lock-in period? I think they are willing to give you 90% because of your high income :D

Investor

08-12-2010, 12:58 AM

are u planning to rent out your properties soon in nusajaya? do u have any idea the rental rate for terrace and semi-de or cluster etc?

All my units will only be completed in 2012, so I can only rent them out by then, I'm actually using the Semi-D as weekend home for a start.

For present rental rate, one of our fellow forumer(for his privacy sake, I won't mention his Nick) managed to get RM3400 for his terrace in East Ledang with built up area of 29xx sq ft. As for Semi-D, I only heard from an agent that rental is around RM6xxx.

Investor

08-12-2010, 01:10 AM

Hey coolstaint do u know where i can drop by to check out the condo at puteri harbour facing Singapore?

Its the nearest straits of land between singapore and malaysia. I simply cannot imagine the breath-taking sweeping panoramic view of Singapore from the top floor of the condo in puteri harour. Maybe one can even see SAF troops in action or cannons being fired. Full view I must say.

The sales office is at Puteri Harbour itself, 2nd floor of the clubhouse. They have a 3D model of Puteri Harbour on display, the sales person can show you the exact location of the condo, it is just beside the future indoor theme park and Traders Hotel which are under construction now. Price is expected to be around RM750 psf. Take note of future high-rise nearer to the sea which might block your million dollar view, must choose the correct unit I guess :)
Office Tel: +607-530 2702/2127

Investor

08-12-2010, 01:14 AM

Hi thanx for replying.

What's LF and EL? I don't even know where to start. Any websites?

Hi Yattokame,

LF = Leisure Farm(http://www.leisurefarm.com.my/)
EL = East Ledang(http://www.eastledang.com/)

dapbest

08-12-2010, 01:42 AM

I asked for 80% and thus they gave me that rate for both 1st and 2nd units =) Which bank did you get your loan from? What's your interest rate and lock-in period? I think they are willing to give you 90% because of your high income :D

i got from standchart. Heard that their new office in Nusa Bestari is opening soon.. next to Giant the corner shophouse and opp HSBC i think.

Interest rate i dont have it with me now but its 4.0+% something.. lock in is 5 year standard. yes they were quite strict though.. actually called up my sect in singapore just to confirm that my company existed and even asked for my position in the company.

anyway i was told semi ds can fetch rm8000 now but I think this is just one of the "lucky" ones. normally should rm6000+ minimum. But its actually a great yield considering the fact that my monthly is perhaps rm3300 at most? So its a S$1000 profit monthly into my pocket, which I have never expected as my singapore condo and office didnt leave me much leftovers after instalments

dapbest

08-12-2010, 01:45 AM

The sales office is at Puteri Harbour itself, 2nd floor of the clubhouse. They have a 3D model of Puteri Harbour on display, the sales person can show you the exact location of the condo, it is just beside the future indoor theme park and Traders Hotel which are under construction now. Price is expected to be around RM750 psf. Take note of future high-rise nearer to the sea which might block your million dollar view, must choose the correct unit I guess :)
Office Tel: +607-530 2702/2127

u mean this condo is not the end of the land just facing the sea? IF there is a possibility that something else can be built after it and blocking its sea view, then i think they are now looking for suckers only.. We wont know what is up on their sleeves.. i would foresee a price plunge for sure if something blocks their view though. rm750 psf is considered cheap when we are talking about unobstructed sea view facing Singapore.

Investor

08-12-2010, 01:50 AM

i got from standchart. Heard that their new office in Nusa Bestari is opening soon.. next to Giant the corner shophouse and opp HSBC i think.

Interest rate i dont have it with me now but its 4.0+% something.. lock in is 5 year standard. yes they were quite strict though.. actually called up my sect in singapore just to confirm that my company existed and even asked for my position in the company.

anyway i was told semi ds can fetch rm8000 now but I think this is just one of the "lucky" ones. normally should rm6000+ minimum. But its actually a great yield considering the fact that my monthly is perhaps rm3300 at most? So its a S$1000 profit monthly into my pocket, which I have never expected as my singapore condo and office didnt leave me much leftovers after instalments

Most other banks like UOB and HSBC are giving BLR-2.3% = 4%, with only 3 years lock in. St. Chart banker who stations at UEM office offered me BLR-2.4% = 3.9%. You should ask for better rate.

dapbest

08-12-2010, 01:55 AM

All my units will only be completed in 2012, so I can only rent them out by then, I'm actually using the Semi-D as weekend home for a start.

For present rental rate, one of our fellow forumer(for his privacy sake, I won't mention his Nick) managed to get RM3400 for his terrace in East Ledang with built up area of 29xx sq ft. As for Semi-D, I only heard from an agent that rental is around RM6xxx.

wow using a semi d as weekend home is quite a waste of money leh. for the benefit of ROI, i think i myself will stay in a cheap terrace worth rm300-400k instead and rent out all the semi d and bungalows.

dapbest

08-12-2010, 01:57 AM

Most other banks like UOB and HSBC are giving BLR-2.3% = 4%, with only 3 years lock in. St. Chart banker who stations at UEM office offered me BLR-2.4% = 3.9%. You should ask for better rate.

damn 3.9%? Thats very low given malaysia's interest rate. I think i will call up the stanchart banker and wallop him until he gives me a better rate. If not i will threaten not to get the loan from him for my subsequent loans.

Investor

08-12-2010, 01:58 AM

u mean this condo is not the end of the land just facing the sea? IF there is a possibility that something else can be built after it and blocking its sea view, then i think they are now looking for suckers only.. We wont know what is up on their sleeves.. i would foresee a price plunge for sure if something blocks their view though. rm750 psf is considered cheap when we are talking about unobstructed sea view facing Singapore.

From the 3D model of Puteri Harbour, you can see that one side of the condo is unblocked for high floor units as there are only low buildings of Indoor Theme Park and future CIQ on this side of the condo. This condo is over 30 floors. The other side which is directly towards the sea will be blocked by future high-rise which will be right beside the sea.

Investor

08-12-2010, 02:02 AM

damn 3.9%? Thats very low given malaysia's interest rate. I think i will call up the stanchart banker and wallop him until he gives me a better rate. If not i will threaten not to get the loan from him for my subsequent loans.

Yes, you should do it right now man :D It's a savings of thousands of Ringgit per month in interest considering your total loan amount for a few units.

Investor

08-12-2010, 02:12 AM

wow using a semi d as weekend home is quite a waste of money leh. for the benefit of ROI, i think i myself will stay in a cheap terrace worth rm300-400k instead and rent out all the semi d and bungalows.

Life is short :) We must also be enjoying it ourselves right :p My parents and wife like the bigger space of a semi-d, so have to use other investments for profit :D

dapbest

08-12-2010, 02:22 AM

From the 3D model of Puteri Harbour, you can see that one side of the condo is unblocked for high floor units as there are only low buildings of Indoor Theme Park and future CIQ on this side of the condo. This condo is over 30 floors. The other side which is directly towards the sea will be blocked by future high-rise which will be right beside the sea.

that means this particular condo has one side which will be unblocked but it wont face the sea right?

The real good thing is the one facing the sea but too bad its gota be blocked years down the road. A bit difficult to convince myself to buy either side as i was hoping to buy a unit facing the sea, very high floor n without obstruction.

imagine Putrajaya one day went crazy want to build a 100 storey Merdeka Tower near Puteri Harbour to challenge the twin towers.. the value of EL and nearby projects will surely shoot up like crazy .. comparable to KL

wuqi256

08-12-2010, 03:44 AM

The one we did was the oil massage but it was not really worth the money unless you like pain.

HarrChono

08-12-2010, 05:09 AM

Hi Dapbest,

You know of Taman Laguna? Developer is Nasu Utama Sdn Bhd. It is over at Jln Seri Laguna near to Sg Danga and adjacent of Danga Bay. What do you think of the property there? Terrence going for about 508K. They have Semi-D but will only open for booking after CNY which cost abt 830K to 850K according to the sales person.

I am looking for a place whereby not too far out of city and not too crowded as well. Maybe you can comment alittle?

Thanks :)

HarrChono

08-12-2010, 05:56 AM

Anyone know of the development of Taman Laguna by Nusa Utama? It is near to Sungei Danga and adjcent to Danga bay. Any comment?

jasonjst

08-12-2010, 06:14 AM

IMHO,singaporeans who stay or want to reside in malaysia and commute between singapore for work or for whatever reasons are predominantly working class or lower middle class people.

no rich singaporean folks would want to do stay there,when you are a high net worth person,your priorty over safety overrides cheap living space.

i am a malaysian and i wont be staying in JB anytime soon.

those who do,good luck to you.

Notice some of them here are staying in HH , EL ,LF and even looking at Puteri Harbor , they cant be working class and lower middle class people lah !
Why the rich people alway like to look down on ordinary folks like us ? :(

jasonjst

08-12-2010, 06:28 AM

Hmm...
I am newbaby here in this forum , nice to know that so many people here love living in JB especially in HH ! I am proud resident in Casania , Sutera Area . Have being living there for about 2yrs now ... Hope I can learn and share here too !
rdgs

g3abc

08-12-2010, 08:53 AM

Hello All,

Sori if I sound Ignorant but some questions & comments for your further advice, please,..

1. Has Anyone Bought the only High-Rise (current) at East Ledang, named Ujana ?
selling for about RM 350psf,..what do you think of this development ?
Good for Mistress Apartment ?
Pros ? Cons ?

2. Insider Info Background of UEM Land Bhd ?

3. I hear that there are still some special facilitation being conducted by the likes of Charmain Selvam (ex-Profitable Plots Sales Director),..with Datuk Param (Iskandar Investmets),.. that the Progitable Group Boss has two big bungalows at Leisure Farm,...

4. If say buy East Ledang Bungalows,...say after 5 years, Owner must pay for painting ?
what is the painting cost for a semi-d / bungalow ?

Thanks

cathylmg

08-12-2010, 09:14 AM

Hi! I want to rent out my house next month. Its under renovation now. I'm getting another place. Cross my finger for the loan to be approved. Do you have any contacts for rental agent? Kindly PM me with agent's contact. Thank you in advance.

cathylmg

08-12-2010, 09:18 AM

I got something to share which I feel is a good idea.

I read somewhere that malaysians don't buy educational insurance policies like Singaporeans do. When a child is born, parents buy a house with cash value and rent it out, so that when it is time their children to go to University, they just use their house for mortgage and let the tenents pay for the loan. What a brilliant idea!

I think I should do the same. :)

dapbest

08-12-2010, 12:11 PM

Anyone know of the development of Taman Laguna by Nusa Utama? It is near to Sungei Danga and adjcent to Danga bay. Any comment?

yes i have been there. this taman laguna is very good in a way its near to the coastal highway so its considered near to the causeway and 2nd link is quite convenient too

the space is quite large for a terrace i must say.. 3000+ sq feet? the price is very reasonable and i got a feeling they purposely put the price at slightly over 500k because they know mostly sinkie will buy.

but if u are looking for class, of cos its not as classy as HH but at prices over rm500k, your neighbours cant be that bad, lah!

Good buy and great capital appreciation. In fact, this is one of the other developments i am aiming to invest soon. Only factor drawing me back is the rental part.. pple would choose to rent and stay in HH than taman laguna for sure!

dapbest

08-12-2010, 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=cathylmg;621872]I got something to share which I feel is a good idea.

I read somewhere that malaysians don't buy educational insurance policies like Singaporeans do. When a child is born, parents buy a house with cash value and rent it out, so that when it is time their children to go to University, they just use their house for mortgage and let the tenents pay for the loan. What a brilliant idea!

I am doing just that for my condo and my kid. AFter 20 years i have S$800k for my kid education at least.. i dont like to buy anything to do with insurance etc esp from banks like DBS. kena cheated by the relationship bitch once of $5k

dapbest

08-12-2010, 12:20 PM

Notice some of them here are staying in HH , EL ,LF and even looking at Puteri Harbor , they cant be working class and lower middle class people lah !
Why the rich people alway like to look down on ordinary folks like us ? :(

haha just ignore all these silly comments. I am driving a low-class japanese car worth only $70k when i bought it a few years back. Now I am still driving it because of my very frequent travels to malaysia. I am sure there are a lot of bigger time bosses who are damn rich and driving normal cars to keep low profile too in jb.

I know many sinkies who root in jb and who are millionaires with at least a few paid-up properties in Singapore. I have a few properties in singapore though but because of my desire to live in a place with larger space and less pple, i love jb over singapore.

dapbest

08-12-2010, 12:23 PM

dapbest

08-12-2010, 12:28 PM

Life is really relaxing and leisurely here. Now i am in JB relaxing with a labtop. Lunch here was simple with 2 pratas with egg and 3 kosong together with 2 packets of bandung. damn cost me S$4 "only".. my mistress was shocked at how cheap the things here are. We packet the makan and proceed to euro rich for some world war action and i must say for s$40.. the stay was enjoyable. I simply lived like a king today..

night time i dropped by a cake shop to buy some cake and breads for my breakfast tml in singapore.. dropping by singapore at 5am to beat the jam and snatch all the fresh air.. danger? i have never been robbed, where got danger? anyway, the food in and around bukit indah, sutera utama etc .. are really affordable and tasty. I simply cant get enough.. yummy..

Life is good.
Thank you, DAP,, i will surely vote for u

Coolsaint77

08-12-2010, 12:56 PM

1. Has Anyone Bought the only High-Rise (current) at East Ledang, named Ujana ?
selling for about RM 350psf,..what do you think of this development ?
Good for Mistress Apartment ?
Pros ? Cons ?

err... if u have bought then i would say it's an economical place to keep mistress provided she does not hanky-panky with the toyboys who are kept here... if u have not bought then its irrelevant cos' the project is sold out.

2. Insider Info Background of UEM Land Bhd ?

3. I hear that there are still some special facilitation being conducted by the likes of Charmain Selvam (ex-Profitable Plots Sales Director),..with Datuk Param (Iskandar Investmets),.. that the Progitable Group Boss has two big bungalows at Leisure Farm,...

ans to 2) & 3): whoever that claims to have insider info i say its bull... UEM is owned by Khazanah so the developer is more secured than most others, i think you just need to know if the developer is secured and reliable, and if the JB or M'sian govt is determined to make Nusajaya a success

4. If say buy East Ledang Bungalows,...say after 5 years, Owner must pay for painting ?
what is the painting cost for a semi-d / bungalow ?

Definitely you pay for your own painting as this is your own house, not strata-titled