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vincentck
25-12-2011, 01:57 AM
Merry Christmas to everyone... surfing using Maxis mobile broadband at HH now and woke up this morning to the loud CNY music playing across the street. WIfe came down and said they're inconsiderate for playing CNY music on Christmas Day and blasting it loud too... definitely inconsiderate for playing loud music, regardless of what kind of songs....


Last month or so, I did see e water like reservoir col. So not always Teh Tarik.
Hi Crystal, so you're at 8/8 right? I'm at 8/9 and I believe your house has a great view of the lake... shuld be very soothing, like what I saw from the show house.


Sibei sian. Today 2nd link super jam. Go in at 12.15 end up 4.30 then come out of JB CIQ. Have to cancel all appointment with agent and also cannot go setia bukit indah as well as NI and ND. Maybe it's god will to prevent me
From buyin property in JB - this is what I told my wife. No fate. And she say I think too much. Hahha

Anyway Merry Xmas to all bro and sis hereNo lar Bro Okane, it's not god. Of course Sat will be jam on a long weekend... also, on normal weekends, try not to enter MY between 12-4/5pm; have seen a few times where there's a long queue at the MY side going into MY.

sggecko
25-12-2011, 05:15 AM
hi admin,

can u allow me topost without approval?
It's been 1 day my post never been released.

nitecrawllerr
25-12-2011, 05:33 AM
So many location to chose fm. Quite confuse as to which property is best for retirement.

Currently i am early 50s. How many max yrs loan i could get fm msian banks? Whats the rate now?

Is it safe to leave the house empty cos I dont forsee I would be going/living there regularly. I am working. Just that if the price is affordable, may as well buy now than wait till retirement...10yr fm now.

Heard fm some friends 500K threshold only apply to new homes? Cant we buy fm secondary mkt i.e. resale pte properties?

Any bro can assist?

Tks.

Aisanbo
25-12-2011, 07:07 AM
Hi guys,

there are so many developments and some already fully sold.
Can you advice me which one I still can buy from developer? And it is preferably the landed.


Not sure if you mentioned budget around RM500k. But if it is and you prefer landed, then really not much choices within Nusajaya if you wish to buy from developer.

For Nusjaya area,
East Ledang, Horizon Hills, Leisure farm is >>500k.
Even their condo is more than 500k already.
Bestari Heights - Astoria (I believe prices increased much over 500k budget already)
Maybe Medini1 condo in future may have condo within budget but that is not freehold.

Possible landed projects in Nusjaya around 500k,
Nusa Idaman
Sutera Utama have clusters (Casania) about 550k few months back.

For Tebrau area, I think there's more choices.
Setia Indah may have some new corner terraces around 500k.
Setia Eco Cascadia currently only have bigger units (more exp) but can wait for more of the smaller units to be launched next yr.
Kempas Heights within budget.
Setia Tropika only have larger and more expensive unit left
Setia Eco Gardens also do not have that kind of budget left when I inquired few months back (but their website seems to have)
Can check out Seri Austin & Bandar Dato onn.

For other popular areas,
Straits View Residences (in Permas jaya area) is out of budget.
Taman Molek 2....i dunno.

If upfront payment is the concern, SP Setia typically give good discounts and lowers your upfront to around 5% rather than 20%.
They will also let you pay installment after property completion and absorb the interests payable during construction period.

sggecko
25-12-2011, 07:26 AM
Aisanbo,

thanks for your feedback.
I'm still confused with the layout of so many projects.

Of course I prefer a location within new town centre. But where would be the new financial centre?
This still confused me as I don't have proper map of each projects.

I'll compile the projects and budget and post it here to share with everyone from the feedback.

thanks.

Aisanbo
25-12-2011, 08:12 AM
Launch the Interactive Map to get a overview of all the developments in Iskandar.
It is not most updated and the newer projects may not be inside.
http://www.iskandarmalaysia.com.my/committed-development-within-iskandar-malaysia

sggecko
25-12-2011, 08:31 AM
Launch the Interactive Map to get a overview of all the developments in Iskandar.
It is not most updated and the newer projects may not be inside.
http://www.iskandarmalaysia.com.my/committed-development-within-iskandar-malaysia

thanks,
this is very helpful.

sggecko
25-12-2011, 08:47 AM
Based on my analysis the Flagship B (Nusajaya) would be the most interesting as it comprised of:
- Kota Iskandar (residential, business, healthcare, leisure and tourism such as Legoland and retail malls)
- Puteri harbour
- Educity (NuMED, Netherland Maritime Institute of Tech, Marlborough College, etc)
- Soutern Industrial Logistic
- Afiat Health Park
- Columbia Asia Hospital
- Bio-XCell

Educity itself would have a population of 16,000 students once fully completed.
With healthcare centres being setup, biotech companies are coming, retail mall and other inustries.
This could be the future Raffles Place?

It would be interesting for those who have properties in this Flagship B.
East Ledang, Horizon Hills, Nusa Idaman, and Nusa Bayu
Ujana Executive Apartments. 1Mediini

Too bad I can only afford 1Medini if I select this flagship/zone.

Aisanbo
25-12-2011, 09:25 AM
Land Development Blueprint for Iskandar Malaysia http://www.iskandarmalaysia.com.my/pdf/blueprint/land-blueprint.pdf

sggecko
25-12-2011, 09:50 AM
anyone can recommend which development I should pay my first visit?

thanks.

vincentck
25-12-2011, 10:45 AM
Hi guys,

there are so many developments and some already fully sold.
Can you advice me which one I still can buy from developer? And it is preferably the landed.

Below is the list of developments which I've compiled from this thread:

East Ledang

Horizon Residence

Fortune Point
Nusa Idaman

Horizon Hills
-Fairway Suites
-The Gateway
-The Golf
-The Hills Precinct

Hi sggecko, not sure if you have read thru the whole forum, but FYI The Gateway, The Golf and The Hills precincts and Fairway Suites are all located in Horizon Hills, developer is Gamuda. Newly launched precincts in HH should be The Greens.

East Ledang is the nearest residential development to the 2nd Link, together with Leisure Farm. However, only resale and bumi lots are available for sale in East Ledang; dunno about Leisure Farm.

Horizon Residence is a condo development located in Bukit Indah, in the middle of housing estates. I've not been to the sales gallery because I prefer landed and I don't see a good opportunity for rental income from high-rise in Bukit Indah area.

If I'm not mistaken, Fortune Point is a commercial development near Nusa Idaman area. As for NI, I was at the sales gallery on Saturday. There are intermediate units available in NI Precinct 8B and 7B (Courtyard 3). I went to both show houses and the Courtyard 3 houses are big, 2400sf (24x80), prices range from RM540-640k. There is only 1 corner unit in Courtyard 3, but it is a bumi lot. There are also units still available from sale from the developer in NI P8B. One thing I like about NI/HH is that the location is accessible via both Woodlands and Tuas checkpoints. In fact, it's a shorter drive from Woodlands to HH/NI because of the Coastal Highway.

If your budget is around RM500k, NI P8B and 7B are good places to start looking. All the best.

Aisanbo
25-12-2011, 10:58 AM
anyone can recommend which development I should pay my first visit?

thanks.
If budget is 500k, Landed, & from developer, I would suggest:
a) Sutera Utama , Casania
b) Bandar Dato Onn (I remember someone bought there around this budget recently)
c) Setia Indah/Setia Eco Cascadia

Can always call first to enquire before making the visit.

I thought Casania is actually quite value for money.
I like it but bought Eco Cascadia instead for it being a new concept project, with clubhouse, landed-strata and better financial package (setia offering interest free during construction, lesser upfront, installment upon completion, etc).
Setia Indah is more value for money than Cascadia but the Setia Indah township is >10 years old and the planned design might be outdated.
I did not consider Bandar Dato Onn at that time because I'm too lazy to check it out.

sggecko
25-12-2011, 11:13 AM
vincentck and aisanbo thanks for feedback from both of you.

appreciated.

sggecko
25-12-2011, 11:32 AM
As the iskandar development looks like 3/4 of Singapore size.
I feel it is extremely important to know which location of the property one purchases.
Without the increase of population the property would hardly appreciate.

I think, Puteri Harbour would definitely appreciate as it is nearest to Kota Iskandar and other important commercial development.
East Ledang , Ledang Heights, Medini and Horizon Hills.
I'm not certain about others outside the Zone B as I feel, Zone B would be the future city.

But I feel it is best for me just to visit the place to understand it better.

TrulyAsia
25-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Thanks for the info! I thought my HDB flat (bought in Yr-08, resale/bank loan) also subjected to 3 years MOP since it was purchased before 30-Aug-10, which in fact is incorrect.


MOP is minimum occupation period. Any HDB purchased after 30 Aug 2010 has MOP of 5yrs. For details refer to HDB site:
http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10322p.nsf/w/SellFlatMinimumOccupationPerid?OpenDocument

TrulyAsia
25-12-2011, 12:19 PM
Bro, nothing is forever...freehold land can be forcefully acquired by the state, compensation may not be as good as those leasehold at excellent location.


Take note that 1 Medini is 99 years leasehold, not freehold.

TrulyAsia
25-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Yes, seeing is believing. Hope you have a fruitful trip.


As the iskandar development looks like 3/4 of Singapore size.
I feel it is extremely important to know which location of the property one purchases.
Without the increase of population the property would hardly appreciate.

I think, Puteri Harbour would definitely appreciate as it is nearest to Kota Iskandar and other important commercial development.
East Ledang , Ledang Heights, Medini and Horizon Hills.
I'm not certain about others outside the Zone B as I feel, Zone B would be the future city.

But I feel it is best for me just to visit the place to understand it better.

Puteri harbour
25-12-2011, 12:31 PM
Hi all,

Anyone know which bank have the lowest interest rate for Malaysia property financing now?

Cheers,
PH

TrulyAsia
25-12-2011, 12:41 PM
You bought a unit at Skyloft or Horizon Residence? Able to share more (psf, level, facing etc,), thanks!


what documents required to open a such bank account in Johor Malaysia and which bank it is for Singaporean? Thanks.
Just bought a condo in Bukit indah. Transfer the first money from Singapore bank to their banks. The exchange rate is only about 2.409 and 30$ per transfer last week against money exchange 2.439 at that time.

crystal_tiong
25-12-2011, 12:44 PM
Hi all,

Anyone know which bank have the lowest interest rate for Malaysia property financing now?

Cheers,
PH

Rhb -2.5 but loan percentage only 80% for foreigners n must buy mrta

sggecko
25-12-2011, 01:04 PM
Rhb -2.5 but loan percentage only 80% for foreigners n must buy mrta

I saw the interest rate 6.6% for CIMB.

Lord Aragorn
25-12-2011, 01:21 PM
Hi guys,

there are so many developments and some already fully sold.
Can you advice me which one I still can buy from developer? And it is preferably the landed.

Below is the list of developments which I've compiled from this thread:

Bestari Heights - Astoria
Bukit Indah, Amelia 1
East Ledang

Fairway Suites
Fortune Point

Horizon Hills
Horizon Residence
HH Golf

Imperia@Puteri Harbour
Indahwalk3

Kempas

Leisure farm's Polo View
Leisure Farm's Bayou Water Village
Leisure Farm's Pinggiran Bayou

Nusa Duta
Nusa jaya
Nusa Idaman
Nusa Villa

Permas Jaya

Mt Austin

The Gateway
The Golf
The Hills Precinct
The Straits View Residences

Setia Tropika
Setia Eco Garden
Sungai Chat
Sutera Utama
Sky Gardens Residences @ Setia Tropika

taman molek

The Straits View Residences is available from developer. Senibong cove as well. All from subsequent phases that are recently launched.

Investor
25-12-2011, 01:22 PM
As the iskandar development looks like 3/4 of Singapore size.
I feel it is extremely important to know which location of the property one purchases.
Without the increase of population the property would hardly appreciate.

I think, Puteri Harbour would definitely appreciate as it is nearest to Kota Iskandar and other important commercial development.
East Ledang , Ledang Heights, Medini and Horizon Hills.
I'm not certain about others outside the Zone B as I feel, Zone B would be the future city.

But I feel it is best for me just to visit the place to understand it better.

Iskandar is 3 times the size of Singapore, not 3/4.
Nusajaya(flagship B) is 1/6 the size of Singapore.

lastresort
25-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Hope that they can find the promised land real soon before price of land go higher for them , haha ! Seem to me got very little land around the Indah Circle already .

actually I think in Bukit Indah 2 area. Saw since last month there was a gated and guarded carpark built. Not multi storey.

IskandarRocks
25-12-2011, 04:10 PM
Based on my analysis the Flagship B (Nusajaya) would be the most interesting as it comprised of:
- Kota Iskandar (residential, business, healthcare, leisure and tourism such as Legoland and retail malls)
- Puteri harbour
- Educity (NuMED, Netherland Maritime Institute of Tech, Marlborough College, etc)
- Soutern Industrial Logistic
- Afiat Health Park
- Columbia Asia Hospital
- Bio-XCell

Educity itself would have a population of 16,000 students once fully completed.
With healthcare centres being setup, biotech companies are coming, retail mall and other inustries.
This could be the future Raffles Place?

It would be interesting for those who have properties in this Flagship B.
East Ledang, Horizon Hills, Nusa Idaman, and Nusa Bayu
Ujana Executive Apartments. 1Mediini

Too bad I can only afford 1Medini if I select this flagship/zone.

If you are looking for something near Medini, Educity, you may also want to look into Impiana (East Ledang). This is freehold. Phase 1 is more or less sold out. They launched Phase 2 in early December. You maybe able to get a 2 bedroom for 550k or so. My own view is that the potential for rental here may be quite decent. As you pointed out, Educity is targeting 16,000 students, however, the international student village will house 4,000.

LeMans2011
25-12-2011, 04:12 PM
Sibei sian. Today 2nd link super jam. Go in at 12.15 end up 4.30 then come out of JB CIQ. Have to cancel all appointment with agent and also cannot go setia bukit indah as well as NI and ND. Maybe it's god will to prevent me
From buyin property in JB - this is what I told my wife. No fate. And she say I think too much. Hahha

Anyway Merry Xmas to all bro and sis here

How about a possible alternative explanation... long holiday weekends and many Malaysians heading back to hometown :)

IskandarRocks
25-12-2011, 04:13 PM
I saw the interest rate 6.6% for CIMB.

This is the Bank Lending Rate (BLR). Banks typically offer a discount of 2.4-2.5%. So, you may be able to get an effective interest rate of 4.1-4.2%. This is a floating rate. Your rate may change if the BLR gets revised.

IskandarRocks
25-12-2011, 04:16 PM
Interesting recent article ....

http://www.nst.com.my/local/general/building-on-iskandar-s-successes-1.23900

iamapseudoneem
25-12-2011, 04:51 PM
Drove up this around 5pm today and it took us around 30 minutes to clear the checkpoints and get on the coastal highway. We have been noticing an interesting development as we drive along the coastal highway. It's on an island on the left connected by a medieval looking bridge and I thought it was cool and had a very exclusive feel to it. Is it Danga Island? Anyone know how much those properties are going for?

I'm also glad to see the 2nd lake (a mini one) they promised us near our houses in NI P8 looks like it's being built. I noticed a "No Swimming" and "No Fishing" sign placed and perimeter fence similar to the main lake set up around it.

LeMans2011
25-12-2011, 04:55 PM
Yes Crystal, it was Teh Tarik. Went into google map and saw the satellite image with the original lake and superimposed it with the developer's master plan. i notice that the lake was originally bigger, stretching towards North-Easterly, i.e. part of phase 8C was a lake! Therefore the present shape of the lake has been "reconfigured" thereby rendering it muddy due to the earth in the lake having been disturbed in the process of reconstruction. The mud will settle as time progresses, hopefully, and a surface layer of alge form to hold the mud in place. A sinister thought at the back of my mind is that some irresponsible contractors pour unwanted construction waste/earth into the lake when nobody is looking :mad:

But i am not betting it will be as clear as mirror, if it can become like pungol park water quality i am happy already. More is a bonus ;)

Here's wishing you Merry X'mas and a happy new year :)

Had lunch with a friend over the weekend and chat about living in JB in general. Friend moved here since 2006 whereas i moved here in early 2009. We agreed on a couple of things:

1) Main draw - feasible abode for daily commute to work in Singapore, earn S$ and spend MYR

2) Investment potential - we both purchased before 2011 and are prepared for "worst case scenario" => a nice and big house for retirement
We rule out the possibility that JB will become so bad till uninhabitable

3) Any degree of success in the Nusajaya blueprint is a plus point to the investments - be it 30%, 50% or 80%

4) We both observe increasing number of Singaporeans venturing here today due to "push factor" ie escalating costs and overcrowding

5) We both agreed the best of the developers here are nowhere near "maturity" and that was the crux of our conversation
UEM built lots of nice houses but fails terribly in quickly bringing on a "lifestyle" to purchasers. The rental of the shops around Mydin is set at about MYR8 psf and that is way too expensive. As a result early purchasers have to endure possibly a whole decade of less than ideal amenities. This fails terribly compared to Tanah Sutera who introduced a whole mix of restaurants and shops near the houses they built. The nearest restaurants (eg. at EL clubhouse) are mediocre in quality and service. The management mixes religion with business and appears to be a confused lot. Neither are they diligent in controlling the purchasers in terms of making extensions to the nice houses although everyone signs a covenant. Response to defects reports at EL are "satisfactory" but not good. We also though Gamuda's mass bulding would possibly produce a glut in a down market.

6) Security - we both thought the police will remain hopeless in the forseeable future. We shared what we know about break-ins and victims of crime and i was quite shocked despite having personally experienced crime here. Our mutual friend at an older NI precint experienced a near breakin recently. Luckily his house is secured with construction grade rebar, our friend had an exchange with the robbers who tried to saw through the rebars... apparently they threw stones at each other. Despite the fact he has 2 fierce dogs at home. He also told me about the Sri Lankan group who purchased 72 units at HH - apparently one of the lead investor was a victim of crime in JB as well. We believe JB is livable but one must definitely blend into the local community and do not appear prominent.

Hence our word of advice to all friends who venture to JB - do so with your eyes open, set your expectations right and you will not be disappointed :)

Merry Xmas to everyone !

sggecko
25-12-2011, 10:49 PM
If you are looking for something near Medini, Educity, you may also want to look into Impiana (East Ledang). This is freehold. Phase 1 is more or less sold out. They launched Phase 2 in early December. You maybe able to get a 2 bedroom for 550k or so. My own view is that the potential for rental here may be quite decent. As you pointed out, Educity is targeting 16,000 students, however, the international student village will house 4,000.

thanks..
I guess Impiana is a good choice as well.
Actually I like 1Medini very much but too bad it is leasehold.

Who decides the property to be leasehold or freehold? and why would they do that?

sggecko
25-12-2011, 11:00 PM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.


On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

Icyraine
25-12-2011, 11:10 PM
We have been noticing an interesting development as we drive along the coastal highway. It's on an island on the left connected by a medieval looking bridge and I thought it was cool and had a very exclusive feel to it. Is it Danga Island? Anyone know how much those properties are going for?


Those are going for RM 4 mil and above, all bungalows. But most of the units have individual yacht "jetty" attached to the house. It is located between nusajaya and danga waterfront development so it pretty cool but beyond my budget.

chupacabra
25-12-2011, 11:25 PM
Been living in JB for the past year, it's not as bad as alot of people thinks it is. Just stay away from trouble. But if you have kids, it's not easy. For one thing, taxis in JB are shitmobiles. One cannot ferry an entire family everywhere and everyday so its inevitable that some members of the family gonna use taxis. My advice is to get a hold of a few cabbies fone numbers that you trust because alot of taxi drivers in JB are sons of bitches.

As for me, I don't see a long term view about living in JB because most of my retirement monies will be tied up in CPF. In other words, I still got to travel to peesai when i am old and needs medical care. When It comes to peesai, I feel that cutting all ties including financial ties is the best in leaving that shithole. Living in JB is like having a foot still trapped in a snare in peesai. Thats my own view. You guys can screw me all you want. I'm a wide open whore. HAHa

LeMans2011
26-12-2011, 12:16 AM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.

On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

It really depends on who are your fellow occupants.
Condo is higher density and i would say it poses a higher and not lower security risk. The risk comes from within the condo itself as you cannot control whom the owners rent their houses to... criminals can easily enter the condo in the form of owners or tenants friends. You also face the risk of owners not paying maintenance charge which is very common here.

The only decent condo i can think of is Molek Pine and one or two beside the golf course in Permas Jaya. You have more control over the well being and security of your house as compared to communal living in condo which depends heavily on who constitutes the community.

It would be a mistake to assume condo living in JB would be similar to SG... in the first place condo living in SG is full of problems.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 12:18 AM
actually I think in Bukit Indah 2 area. Saw since last month there was a gated and guarded carpark built. Not multi storey.

Dont know whats their grand plan. I believe they will build a bus-stop at the new parking area. This will allow more residents living in the surrounding area to park their cars so that they will not need to drive to the circular and clog up the streets there. I think the terminal will still remain at the circular as it is nearer to the shopping belt.

Will wait for their grand plan to unfold.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 12:24 AM
It really depends on who are your fellow occupants.
Condo is higher density and i would say it poses a higher and not lower security risk. The risk comes from within the condo itself as you cannot control whom the owners rent their houses to... criminals can easily enter the condo in the form of owners or tenants friends. You also face the risk of owners not paying maintenance charge which is very common here.

Yes. in condos, there are more common facilities to maintain - pool, lift, playground etc.. so every $ of the sinking and maintenance funds are crucial. If a few families start to default, it will pose a problem and worse if a vicious cycle starts to develop, it will spell the end of development. Some JB condos find themselves in this predicament today.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 12:30 AM
Been living in JB for the past year, it's not as bad as alot of people thinks it is. Just stay away from trouble. But if you have kids, it's not easy. For one thing, taxis in JB are shitmobiles. One cannot ferry an entire family everywhere and everyday so its inevitable that some members of the family gonna use taxis. My advice is to get a hold of a few cabbies fone numbers that you trust because alot of taxi drivers in JB are sons of bitches.

As for me, I don't see a long term view about living in JB because most of my retirement monies will be tied up in CPF. In other words, I still got to travel to peesai when i am old and needs medical care. When It comes to peesai, I feel that cutting all ties including financial ties is the best in leaving that shithole. Living in JB is like having a foot still trapped in a snare in peesai. Thats my own view. You guys can screw me all you want. I'm a wide open whore. HAHa

Your language is crude bro but your points are salient. In fact i like your 'peesai' description. haha.

Tho i cannot quite agree with the cutting of all ties with peesai. Peesai no matter how stinkie or small will always be a good shithole to return to just in case it gets too windy outside. haha.

Cheers bro.

TayJC
26-12-2011, 12:42 AM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.

On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

Hi sggecko,

For landed property, maintenance of the road will be passed on to the local authority eventually.
As for security, as I understood, it can be improved after the residents take over the management from the developer. As an example, residents at earlier NI precints installed card access system after they took over the management from UEM.

spidey
26-12-2011, 01:16 AM
If budget is 500k, Landed, & from developer
b) Bandar Dato Onn (I remember someone bought there around this budget

I did not consider Bandar Dato Onn at that time because I'm too lazy to check it out.
Yup, I bought there recently, the 24x70 sizes are decently price, but note not HH full of golf view and what not, it's just a simple double storey hse... I think they still hv end lot with 10' land...Slight more than 500k

Really depends on what u want, for me I wanted some place not too expensive and dun need a big place as it will be my retirement home, just me and my wife and some land to plant fruits...hahaha! Most important not too far from all the amenities/city ctr, but not too close too...as I hate traffic, be it human or cars..

U right comming out with a list and budget as well as what u want/need, then start the hunt, I believe most of the bros/sis did here... The other thing is enjoy the hunt...

jasonjst
26-12-2011, 01:29 AM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.


On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

Bro ,
I am sure the picture you taken are those low cost terrace and non guarded type.
My developement , after 4 to 5yrs is still tip top conditions even more beautiful than was new. Because the house owners pump lot of money on landscaping their gardens . The management runing a surplus of 10K a month , last year they have aquired a cluster unit as our community centre at discount from developer . This will be use as Karaok rooms , games rooms and meetings . Can be an investment too since its current value have go up to 650K already .
Pls go and see places like EL, HH, Sutera Utama and post your picture .

spidey
26-12-2011, 01:32 AM
Hi sggecko,

For landed property, maintenance of the road will be passed on to the local authority eventually.
As for security, as I understood, it can be improved after the residents take over the management from the developer. As an example, residents at earlier NI precints installed card access system after they took over the management from UEM.

Agree here bro, moreover, personal view here, we are already staying in "mid air" in sg(unless u hv landed, then different story ah) landed would e 1st choice!
Also the picture u took are old houses/tamans, look at the new ones, they are not so bad...
Really depends on what u want/purpose...investment,retirement, weekend home...ect ect

arsenal
26-12-2011, 01:36 AM
These houses that you shown here could be probably 70-100K RM?

Singaporean are not allowed to buy, another way for the Malaysia to protect their residents.



I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.


On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

TrulyAsia
26-12-2011, 01:45 AM
Bros and sis here, any comment on Bukit Indah Prime area?


Sir, Which properties in Bukit Indah do you considered them as PRIME ?

TrulyAsia
26-12-2011, 02:05 AM
These houses that you shown here could be probably 70-100K RM?
Singaporean are not allowed to buy, another way for the Malaysia to protect their residents.
Foreigners are allowed to purchase if the declared transaction price for the house is above RM500k, because this is a normal double storey terrace and not government subsidized low cost terrace house. You can buy too if you like,

Nusajaya
26-12-2011, 02:05 AM
Hi sggecko,

You probably received enough materials for you to start your hunt!

Just before you do that, my advice is you must be clear with what you need and what you want. Differentiate the Needs and the Wants. The Needs are things/conditions which you absolutely can't compromise as in terms of objectives (must be satisfied as part of your hunt around). As for the Wants are things/conditions which you would like to have. Simply put, must haves vs nice to haves.

For example: You mentioned in your earlier message that you wanted a place for retirement but you also said you wanted income out of it in the meantime. Good thinking indeed, nothing wrong with it but you need to be very clear which one is a Need and which is Want. One very clear message you had was your budget of RM 500k.

Once you are clear with your objectives, answers to leasehold or freehold, landed or condo, HH or EL, etc will be alot clearer. Otherwise, your hunt around can be at times frustrating! As some forummers had rightfully pointed out, you can find nice homes that satisfied what your rental requirement while others might satisfy your retirement call. This condition can pull you apart and more likely than not, most will resolved to our emotional decision which is often less desirable.

PM me if you want me to help you out on this.



I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.


On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

TrulyAsia
26-12-2011, 02:20 AM
For those visited to Horizon Residence, do you share the same perspectives?


Living in JB


Actually horizon residence is a good place, I bought 2 unit from jacky, he is my very good friend ,all the while my investment with him is Making quite a lot of money , honest and sincere guy.
Previuously I also bought few investment from him, under his introductory I have make a lot of money . this chap idea is good only dare to recommend good stuff so I trust him .
The project location is very strategic and by the natural reserve , across the road is the linear park, fresh air .the view from sky is good.
I believe the potential gain is very high because the location is very strategic, 7 min can reach town which I believe so cuz jacky driver got drive me using part of the coastal highway and the view of coastal highway is very nice.
After my analysist I believe this should be a very good investment , the puteri harbor which is few km away selling 6 km away about RM 700persqft. After my comparison I see this building got 4 best thing in term of outlook,security system and location.
The issue u mention jacky already show me the proof and approval by local authority.
Yesterday I went to opposite the hill just found out not only got park and also water feature . good life , I think my life here will be very good a cup of coffee nice atmosphere, want to shopping is also so near ,to city and to Danga Bay 7 minutes only to puteri harbor 4 minutes only, I would suggest all of u go and grab 1 unit .

pasture8
26-12-2011, 02:47 AM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.


On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
3269

A relation of ours stayed in a condo in KL. The view was breathtaking at 20th floor. You see mountains and the twin tower n fireworks on festive occasions.

Initially condo was nice but after awhile, the condition started to deteriorate...renovation contractors just dump their construction waste at a corner on the ground floor and nobidy care...lift buttons were stolen,yes, they were plied and removed, thus on every floor only can press one button thank god they had the conscience not to remove the other mimic button! Yes, it was guarded with barrier access.

They stayed there for five years but have since moved to a landed.

arsenal
26-12-2011, 03:40 AM
Someone tore down my Singapore neighbour 60 year old house and have it rebuilt. The house was bought for 10K. Sold at 2M. Rebuild at another 1+M.

So if you have a landed house, even if it is badly maintained and unoccupied, it is still an asset and might be sold one day for a decent profit..



A relation of ours stayed in a condo in KL. The view was breathtaking at 20th floor. You see mountains and the twin tower n fireworks on festive occasions.

Initially condo was nice but after awhile, the condition started to deteriorate...renovation contractors just dump their construction waste at a corner on the ground floor and nobidy care...lift buttons were stolen,yes, they were plied and removed, thus on every floor only can press one button thank god they had the conscience not to remove the other mimic button! Yes, it was guarded with barrier access.

They stayed there for five years but have since moved to a landed.

IskandarRocks
26-12-2011, 04:16 AM
Someone tore down my Singapore neighbour 60 year old house and have it rebuilt. The house was bought for 10K. Sold at 2M. Rebuild at another 1+M.

So if you have a landed house, even if it is badly maintained and unoccupied, it is still an asset and might be sold one day for a decent profit..

Could not agree more. Once an area gets saturated and land price constitutes a bigger proportion of a property price, landed homes escalate much faster in price. You can always increase the supply of condos by redeveloping land, but landed properties will be limited. This is something that we will appreciate in Iskandar perhaps in 7-10 years time when the area is mostly developed.

tutucake
26-12-2011, 05:22 AM
Had lunch with a friend over the weekend and chat about living in JB in general. Friend moved here since 2006 whereas i moved here in early 2009. We agreed on a couple of things:

1) Main draw - feasible abode for daily commute to work in Singapore, earn S$ and spend MYR

2) Investment potential - we both purchased before 2011 and are prepared for "worst case scenario" => a nice and big house for retirement
We rule out the possibility that JB will become so bad till uninhabitable

3) Any degree of success in the Nusajaya blueprint is a plus point to the investments - be it 30%, 50% or 80%

4) We both observe increasing number of Singaporeans venturing here today due to "push factor" ie escalating costs and overcrowding

5) We both agreed the best of the developers here are nowhere near "maturity" and that was the crux of our conversation
UEM built lots of nice houses but fails terribly in quickly bringing on a "lifestyle" to purchasers. The rental of the shops around Mydin is set at about MYR8 psf and that is way too expensive. As a result early purchasers have to endure possibly a whole decade of less than ideal amenities. This fails terribly compared to Tanah Sutera who introduced a whole mix of restaurants and shops near the houses they built. The nearest restaurants (eg. at EL clubhouse) are mediocre in quality and service. The management mixes religion with business and appears to be a confused lot. Neither are they diligent in controlling the purchasers in terms of making extensions to the nice houses although everyone signs a covenant. Response to defects reports at EL are "satisfactory" but not good. We also though Gamuda's mass bulding would possibly produce a glut in a down market.

6) Security - we both thought the police will remain hopeless in the forseeable future. We shared what we know about break-ins and victims of crime and i was quite shocked despite having personally experienced crime here. Our mutual friend at an older NI precint experienced a near breakin recently. Luckily his house is secured with construction grade rebar, our friend had an exchange with the robbers who tried to saw through the rebars... apparently they threw stones at each other. Despite the fact he has 2 fierce dogs at home. He also told me about the Sri Lankan group who purchased 72 units at HH - apparently one of the lead investor was a victim of crime in JB as well. We believe JB is livable but one must definitely blend into the local community and do not appear prominent.

Hence our word of advice to all friends who venture to JB - do so with your eyes open, set your expectations right and you will not be disappointed :)

Merry Xmas to everyone !

Hi LeMans,

Thanks for the heads up on the security issues... it got me worried that the robbers got the balls to sneak into a G&G estate, picked a house with 2 fierce dogs and attempt to saw thru such solid grilles without the fear of alerting the security and neighbours.... The tenants are in the house during the break in.... i cant imagine the outcome if the robbers managed to break into the house.... Seems like nothing can stop these lowlife bastards...

jasonjst
26-12-2011, 05:36 AM
Hi LeMans,

Thanks for the heads up on the security issues... it got me worried that the robbers got the balls to sneak into a G&G estate, picked a house with 2 fierce dogs and attempt to saw thru such solid grilles without the fear of alerting the security and neighbours.... The tenants are in the house during the break in.... i cant imagine the outcome if the robbers managed to break into the house.... Seems like nothing can stop these lowlife bastards...

Bro ,
In the such an event , just trigger the panic button to set off alarm . 100% security and your neighbours will come and help lah ! I know this because we test these guards at least once in a month . There was one attempt few month back , at least 20 neighbours responsed , security guards came and police the last to come . Fortunately that bugger run fast enough and disapeared like spiderman , if kena caught , we prepare to BBQ him jialat liao !

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 05:41 AM
Strange but true.

JB is increasingly safer than Singapore. :D



Bro ,
In the such an event , just trigger the panic button to set off alarm . 100% security and your neighbours will come and help lah ! I know this because we test these guards at least once in a month . There was one attempt few month back , at least 20 neighbours responsed , security guards came and police the last to come . Fortunately that bugger run fast enough and disapear , if kena caught , we prepare to BBQ him jilat liao !

tutucake
26-12-2011, 06:03 AM
Bro ,
In the such an event , just trigger the panic button to set off alarm . 100% security and your neighbours will come and help lah ! I know this because we test these guards at least once in a month . There was one attempt few month back , at least 20 neighbours responsed , security guards came and police the last to come . Fortunately that bugger run fast enough and disapeared like spiderman , if kena caught , we prepare to BBQ him jilat liao !


Panic button? is it something that comes together with any security alarm system? not familiar with that....

if can trigger that panic button good lah....but if u open ur eyes in the midnight, the burglar already got a parang at your neck....then really lan lan liao....

thats y im concerned abt this robbers having the balls to attempt to break in a G&G estate with good grilles and 2 dogs.... not to mentioned those households

without all these in place....

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 06:08 AM
The medieval looking bridge only came up recently. Just a few weeks ago when I started travelling on the Coastal highway, the place looked like a tsunami region, swampy area and a few houses looking as if they just survived. But the pace of change in Iskandar is amazing.

Don't know the developments but believe you could check with the Danga properties folks.


Drove up this around 5pm today and it took us around 30 minutes to clear the checkpoints and get on the coastal highway. We have been noticing an interesting development as we drive along the coastal highway. It's on an island on the left connected by a medieval looking bridge and I thought it was cool and had a very exclusive feel to it. Is it Danga Island? Anyone know how much those properties are going for?

I'm also glad to see the 2nd lake (a mini one) they promised us near our houses in NI P8 looks like it's being built. I noticed a "No Swimming" and "No Fishing" sign placed and perimeter fence similar to the main lake set up around it.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 06:23 AM
Panic button? is it something that comes together with any security alarm system? not familiar with that....

if can trigger that panic button good lah....but if u open ur eyes in the midnight, the burglar already got a parang at your neck....then really lan lan liao....

thats y im concerned abt this robbers having the balls to attempt to break in a G&G estate with good grilles and 2 dogs.... not to mentioned those households

without all these in place....

There was a very famous case in Adda Heights (sometime in April this year I think) which made it into the local newspapers/forum. The 3 robbers were armed with parangs and took the wife hostage before forcing the husband to hand over the monies. I believe the panic button was pressed but the guards were still "sleeping" and did not respond. Many of the neighbouring units were owned by Singaporeans who used them as weekend homes, so no neighbours came to their aid too. The owner was badly affected and later complained to the developer and asked for compensation.

The robbers had cut through the metal perimeter and attempted to break into one unit. However they did not managed to get in and hide themselves in the other unit. When the wife came out to clear the rubbish, they forced their way into the house. So you can have the best grilles, locks, alarm etc, but if you happen to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time, still can kanna. Worse if the guards are in cahoots with the robber.

There are many lessons to be learnt from this one incident.

Cheers.

jasonjst
26-12-2011, 07:00 AM
Panic button? is it something that comes together with any security alarm system? not familiar with that....

if can trigger that panic button good lah....but if u open ur eyes in the midnight, the burglar already got a parang at your neck....then really lan lan liao....

thats y im concerned abt this robbers having the balls to attempt to break in a G&G estate with good grilles and 2 dogs.... not to mentioned those households

without all these in place....

Bro ,
How do you come into the house without triggering the electronic alarm system . The same system used by Cisco and ADT in Singapore , infact better because they detect vibration of window grill and glass pannel . Pls do arm your alarm when you sleep at night .

tutucake
26-12-2011, 07:19 AM
There was a very famous case in Adda Heights (sometime in April this year I think) which made it into the local newspapers/forum. The 3 robbers were armed with parangs and took the wife hostage before forcing the husband to hand over the monies. I believe the panic button was pressed but the guards were still "sleeping" and did not respond. Many of the neighbouring units were owned by Singaporeans who used them as weekend homes, so no neighbours came to their aid too. The owner was badly affected and later complained to the developer and asked for compensation.

The robbers had cut through the metal perimeter and attempted to break into one unit. However they did not managed to get in and hide themselves in the other unit. When the wife came out to clear the rubbish, they forced their way into the house. So you can have the best grilles, locks, alarm etc, but if you happen to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time, still can kanna. Worse if the guards are in cahoots with the robber.

There are many lessons to be learnt from this one incident.

Cheers.

Hmmm... i think my taman (Sp Setia BI) is not equipped with this panic button feature....

I dont wanna be paranoid, but these stories always freaks me out.... its like no matter how low profile u are, how highly secured ur house is, if shit happens...it happen....

Thanks for the info~

Diaspora
26-12-2011, 07:22 AM
As the iskandar development looks like 3/4 of Singapore size.
I feel it is extremely important to know which location of the property one purchases.
Without the increase of population the property would hardly appreciate.

I think, Puteri Harbour would definitely appreciate as it is nearest to Kota Iskandar and other important commercial development.
East Ledang , Ledang Heights, Medini and Horizon Hills.
I'm not certain about others outside the Zone B as I feel, Zone B would be the future city.

But I feel it is best for me just to visit the place to understand it better.


Bro sggecko,

As have been pointd out by numerous bros and sisters here, you must really know what you need / want out of your property. Is it for investment or for own stay? As has been rightly pointed out by one of the bro here, Impiana at EL is an option you may want to consider. I bought a 2BR unit at mid level floor, 1,206 sq ft for about RM550k during the 1st phase launch. Mind you, UEMLand, the developer is promoting this as Resorts Apartments not condo...why..? I also don't know... :-)
NI, which is under the same developer is also a good option. And for RM550k, you can own an end lot DST with 4BR... and 2,116 sq ft !! Both are freehold. I was informed by the SA that the 10% rebate promotion will end this Sat!! That's why I am so kan cheong now...hahaha. P8 is the only precinct with DMC so far.
Feel free to contact me for more info. Cheers !

TinkerMan
26-12-2011, 09:11 AM
Even in Monopoly, so diificult to buy house......Here people are buying like.....as if using Banana Notes

iamapseudoneem
26-12-2011, 10:17 AM
Bro sggecko,

As have been pointd out by numerous bros and sisters here, you must really know what you need / want out of your property. Is it for investment or for own stay? As has been rightly pointed out by one of the bro here, Impiana at EL is an option you may want to consider. I bought a 2BR unit at mid level floor, 1,206 sq ft for about RM550k during the 1st phase launch. Mind you, UEMLand, the developer is promoting this as Resorts Apartments not condo...why..? I also don't know... :-)
NI, which is under the same developer is also a good option. And for RM550k, you can own an end lot DST with 4BR... and 2,116 sq ft !! Both are freehold. I was informed by the SA that the 10% rebate promotion will end this Sat!! That's why I am so kan cheong now...hahaha. P8 is the only precinct with DMC so far.
Feel free to contact me for more info. Cheers !

DST = double storey terrace?. What is DMC?

Grago
26-12-2011, 10:20 AM
Bro sggecko,As have been pointd out by numerous bros and sisters here, you must really know what you need / want out of your property. Is it for investment or for own stay? As has been rightly pointed out by one of the bro here, Impiana at EL is an option you may want to consider. I bought a 2BR unit at mid level floor, 1,206 sq ft for about RM550k during the 1st phase launch. Mind you, UEMLand, the developer is promoting this as Resorts Apartments not condo...why..? I also don't know... :-) NI, which is under the same developer is also a good option. And for RM550k, you can own an end lot DST with 4BR... and 2,116 sq ft !! Both are freehold. I was informed by the SA that the 10% rebate promotion will end this Sat!! That's why I am so kan cheong now...hahaha. P8 is the only precinct with DMC so far.Feel free to contact me for more info. Cheers !Hi Diaspora, with all the acronyms being used I'm afraid I' lost. Could you kindly elaborate what 'DST', 'SA' and 'DMC' are, would appreciate it. thanks.
Even in Monopoly, so diificult to buy house......Here people are buying like.....as if using Banana NotesBro Tinkerman you mean 'MONOPOLY MONEY'...... :)

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 10:21 AM
Tinkerman

No choice, with inflation, fair valued real estate is a good hedge. With SG too expensive even for middle class, where else to go but out of this island. No prices for guessing that this is PAP's aim too!

FT


Even in Monopoly, so diificult to buy house......Here people are buying like.....as if using Banana Notes

Lord Aragorn
26-12-2011, 10:24 AM
I'm a bit sceptical with having a landed in Malaysia purely of security and maintenance reason as compared to owning a high end condo.
1. Security
Initially security can be tight as developer wants to manage and maintain the reputation while developing the area.
But to manage security for large area (township) where population is growing is a headache. And I will see more lapses in the future.
It is easily to manage and maintain high level of security in a condo rather than a large housing area

2. Maintenance
The condo owners pay maintenance fee hence it is sufficient to maintain a condo to tip/top condition.
The landed owners also pay maintenance fee however it won't not be sufficient to maintain large area. Who is repairing the road, etc when it needs repair? This is costly.
And over the years I think the area will just look like old town.

On the other hand some landed owners won't have budget to maintain their own house hence it just look ugly like this:
<img src="http://www.sammyboy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3269"/>

Not all landed is created equal. There is a type of landed that has the same security and maintainance features as condo, ie. strata landed. For eg. StraitsView (http://www.straitsview.com.my) Residences at Permas Jaya, which is just beside Straits View Condo, is the first strata landed project in JB. Pretty exclusive with only 218 units, a clubhouse, swimming pool, tennis court and only semi Ds and Bungalows. I bought a unit there because of its potential esp after the 2nd Permas bridge and EDL is completed next year.

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 10:24 AM
Hi all, just registered and pls bear with me if I'm asking questions that have been well deliberated before. I have read so many pages and I'm not sure I have digested all of it lol

Hi diaspora, pertaining to NI P8b, is the rebate 10% or 10k? I was told by the marketing agent that it's 10k. If it is 10%, it will be a different ball game to me. I think the P8b (with only 10k rebates) is quite steep, for the quality of the finishes that they are providing. I have had 3 sleepless nights thinking and tossing if I should buy i. This will be my first home purchase. If it's 10% rebates, then I will have a different view on it, and I think I will buy it right away.

Concurrently, also looking at the phase 7A (hillside home, not the courtyard). I noticed that for these 2 phases, there are still quite a lot of vacant units (especially the intermediate), despite the fact that phase 7A was launched in may/June and 8b in September. What do u guys think these 2 phases are receiving low response, when the other phases were so well received, and the price is much cheaper than the new launches of HH? And not only that, with the low response, the agent said that from 1st jan 12, there will be no discount whatsoever, and this is consistent with the marketing practice of the other precincts. Is it true? Is it true that for every launch, they will first offer 20k rebates, then 10k and follow by "nothing"? The agent also said that for all new launches, the 8c etc, the prices will increase even more, despite the gloomy economic.

I have really torn as to what to do now (this house is for own stay). Shall I keep dreaming that they will give more discounts (especially for P7A - due to its completion date of June 12 and poor response) or shall I just buy it? Also come across HH the gateway, there are some terraced house going for slightly less than 500k. I'm torn. Both locations meet my needs, so it's now a matter of which one gives me better sentiment, and I'm inclined to choose HH, but I hate going into subsale market as I'm not familiar with it. Have to stress again that Im buying my first home for own stay, so being very cautious in the thinking process. Buying subsale also means I must have negotiation skill and gotta pay all the fees.

I also read that standard chartered bank, UOB, HSBC and public bank are not good. That will leave only banks like cimb, am bank, rhb, alliance and may bank to choose? I'm sure some of u guys have explored the different options. Can some one be nice enough to summarize and direct me to the best and most efficient bank to deal with? I'm looking for flexi payment, earlier redemption of loan without penalty and online payment (extra payment, as and when). From cimb's website, their package seems to tick all my boxes. Any body has experiences dealing with them? Rhb is also possible, but the website says that I can only get 80% plus MRtA is compulsory. I'm a local, do u know if rhb will extend 90% to me instead?

I really do hope u guys can enlighten me and any advice will be greatly appreciated. Much thanks bros and sis :-)

Having boxing day btw :-)

Lord Aragorn
26-12-2011, 10:26 AM
Those are going for RM 4 mil and above, all bungalows. But most of the units have individual yacht "jetty" attached to the house. It is located between nusajaya and danga waterfront development so it pretty cool but beyond my budget.

What is the name of the development?

jasonjst
26-12-2011, 10:33 AM
Not all landed is created equal. There is a type of landed that has the same security and maintainance features as condo, ie. strata landed. For eg. StraitsView (http://www.straitsview.com.my) Residences at Permas Jaya, which is just beside Straits View Condo, is the first strata landed project in JB. Pretty exclusive with only 218 units, a clubhouse, swimming pool, tennis court and only semi Ds and Bungalows. I bought a unit there because of its potential esp after the 2nd Permas bridge and EDL is completed next year.

Bro , what is price range for semi Ds in Straits View , also how much is monthly fees for such developement , thanks

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 10:35 AM
What is the name of the development?

Casa Amira?

avelc
26-12-2011, 10:38 AM
Tinkerman

No choice, with inflation, fair valued real estate is a good hedge. With SG too expensive even for middle class, where else to go but out of this island. No prices for guessing that this is PAP's aim too!

FT

Yea, one bro here mentioned about his taxi ride which cost $9, a few years ago it only cost $4 ! November's inflation year-on-year was 5.7% -- this means keeping money in CPF account, makes us worse off in real terms within that 1 year.

It is scary the way prices go up, am so glad to be hedged in some way with property, and a place to retire in future.

lastresort
26-12-2011, 10:51 AM
I read this post with interest. By a resident from The Hills, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Horizon-Hills-GCC-Nusajaya-Homeowners-Page/182278325136252. Many of us know about his facebook page, but this post is quite interesting..


Ahhhh... Malaysia TRULY Asia!!!... I guess when you see that header, you know there's a zinger coming..well, you're right..read on!

Hey... our doorbell just rang... it was a neighbor from about a mile away, who for some reason had not been to his home in a year... he was holding about 3 pounds of mail addressed correctly to us...some dating back to October 2010... that had been delivered to his h...ouse a mile away.. I guess the freakin mail monkey cannot tell the difference between Jalan ANJUNG and Jalan AMPUNG... so, the asshole just dumps the shit anywhere... You ask yourself.. how freakin stupid are these monkeys up here... ANSWER: VERY FREAKIN STUPID...

We've complained many times that we weren't getting mail... finally gave up.. well, it arrived!! Thank you neighbor!

Ahhh... Malaysia.. sometimes it makes the THIRD WORLD look like star wars in comparison.

Oh... internet is so slow today that web pages are loading.. well, you get a blank page with a post-it note thattry again! God awful service.. and this is what these monkeys are proud to describe as "hi speed internet service".. Ha-Ha.. TM Malaysia... 1 megabite download speed... StarHub Singapore (just 20KM away) has 1 GIGABYTE download speed.

And people wanna live up here??? What a freakin mistake we made.... NOTHING FREAKIN WORKS UP HERE... and certainly not the monkeys that work for the Malaysian postal service!!

jasonjst
26-12-2011, 10:52 AM
Tinkerman

No choice, with inflation, fair valued real estate is a good hedge. With SG too expensive even for middle class, where else to go but out of this island. No prices for guessing that this is PAP's aim too!

FT

Bro you mean PAP's aim to flush us out of this island to JB ?:oIo:

Lord Aragorn
26-12-2011, 10:53 AM
Bro , what is price range for semi Ds in Straits View , also how much is monthly fees for such developement , thanks

Bro, the semi Ds are about 1.3mil to 1.6mil. Phase 1-3 all sold out except for bumi reserves. Phase 4 was launched about 3 mths ago. More than 50% sold, mostly near the clubhouse. You might want to consider bumi release phase 3 for sea facing units. The clubhouse is about 75% completed. Pretty impressive - you should drop by and check it out.

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 10:54 AM
Hi, I tried to make a post earlier. But it's not shown in the thread. Anybody knows what's wrong? Is it pending authorization from moderator? Thanks

Lord Aragorn
26-12-2011, 10:57 AM
Casa Amira?

The Straits View Residences. It's a development by listed company BRDB. They are known for high end project developments. Straits View condo is developed by them 20 years ago. This website has more info on the development: www.straitsview.com.my

Diaspora
26-12-2011, 10:57 AM
Hi Diaspora, with all the acronyms being used I'm afraid I' lost. Could you kindly elaborate what 'DST', 'SA' and 'DMC' are, would appreciate it. thanks. Bro Tinkerman you mean 'MONOPOLY MONEY'...... :)

Sorry bros for the numerous acronyms...
DST: Double Storey Terrace
SA: Sales Administrator
DMC: Deed of Mutual Convenant http://www.hba.org.my/articles/buyer_watch/biz_mag/2004/dmc.htm

:-)

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 11:04 AM
We are not goldfish and would not go down the pipes that easily.

But with costs rising, it is easy to see that alternatives need to be provided. Be it residences or business space for SMEs.

You will see soon enough. There will be specially designed 'wellness' projects meant to entice Singapore residents. More space, fresh air may seem like good reasons but the aim is obvious.

FT



Bro you mean PAP's aim to flush us out of this island to JB ?:oIo:

Investor
26-12-2011, 11:12 AM
We are not goldfish and would not go down the pipes that easily.

But with costs rising, it is easy to see that alternatives need to be provided. Be it residences or business space for SMEs.

You will see soon enough. There will be specially designed 'wellness' projects meant to entice Singapore residents. More space, fresh air may seem like good reasons but the aim is obvious.

FT

Hi are you the same FT from CNA Market Talk?

sggecko
26-12-2011, 11:16 AM
Bro Nusajaya, Diaspora,and others...

thanks for your mind advice.
It is in fact good to ask myself what I need or want.

What I don't need:
- I don't need a place for stay (other than my current place) for next 20-25 years. At least I believe, I should work for this duration.

What I want:
- I want a property for investment
- It needs to easily find tenants.
- Hopefully it appreciates faster than surrounding and probably I can invest for my 2nd property

In case my expectation doesn't work out:
- I may just use this property as holiday home/weekend home.
- and if I'm no more competitive earlier than I thought: I may migrate out earlier and earn my rental income from SG property.


I analysed this whole development over this weekend period and I finally believe:
1) It may take 20-30 years for the whole Iskandar (3x of SG) to fully develop.
2) The 1st 10 years will focus on inner Zone B (East Ledang, Medini, Kota iskandar, Puteri Harbour, Educity)
This is the key of the development. If it succeed, others will. If it fails, others have not much chance to survive.

Therefore I feel it is very important for me to pick property in this region as there will be many business activities in this area which requires housing.
The housing in this area:
- East Ledang is no more affordable for me.
- Puteri Harbour is too expensive
- 1Madini is very interesting. But it is Leasehold and using commercial term (electricity, tax, etc will be higher).
- Ujana sold out.
- Impiana has some available looking as the best candidate in this area for me.

The outer zone B such as:
- Horizon Hills
- Nusa Idaman

are the next on my list. But as it is separated by highway to the city, it becomes less appealing to me. But I have not totally given up on this area unless someone prove me otherwise.


So this morning I went to Impiana Showroom (Nusajaya Centre) and signed a contract by giving RM10k deposit. Pick up the highest available floor (9th) from 3rd phase release.
There will be final phase next year which has 22nd floor as its peak.

I had an agreement that in case I cancel it within 2 weeks and they'll refund me RM9500. So I will only lose RM500. Which is worth a bet and my trip.

3274

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 11:20 AM
Hi are you the same FT from CNA Market Talk?

Sorry, I am not a TV celebrity. :))

Grago
26-12-2011, 11:29 AM
Bro sggecko,As have been pointd out by numerous bros and sisters here, you must really know what you need / want out of your property. Is it for investment or for own stay? As has been rightly pointed out by one of the bro here, Impiana at EL is an option you may want to consider. I bought a 2BR unit at mid level floor, 1,206 sq ft for about RM550k during the 1st phase launch. Mind you, UEMLand, the developer is promoting this as Resorts Apartments not condo...why..? I also don't know... :-) NI, which is under the same developer is also a good option. And for RM550k, you can own an end lot DST with 4BR... and 2,116 sq ft !! Both are freehold. I was informed by the SA that the 10% rebate promotion will end this Sat!! That's why I am so kan cheong now...hahaha. P8 is the only precinct with DMC so far.Feel free to contact me for more info. Cheers !
Sorry bros for the numerous acronyms...DST: Double Storey TerraceSA: Sales AdministratorDMC: Deed of Mutual Convenant http://www.hba.org.my/articles/buyer_watch/biz_mag/2004/dmc.htm:-)Thank you for the clarification and also the link.

Investor
26-12-2011, 11:55 AM
Sorry, I am not a TV celebrity. :))

Just realised that you were here since last Sept and went missing for 1 whole year.

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 12:18 PM
Just realised that you were here since last Sept and went missing for 1 whole year.

Hi all, I tried to submit posts. Why is none of them showing? Thx

Investor
26-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Talking about the security system of a gated and guarded development.
Other than having alarm systems installed for each and every house, I think it's a lot safer to have the outer perimeter fencing of the entire development installed with sensors which can trigger alarms upon detection of forced entries like eg.;
1) Cutting of fencing
2) Climbing over fencing
With early detection of forced-entries into the compound of the development and triggering the super-loud alarm, we are able to expose the presence of the burglars/robbers early and scare them off before they are able to commit any crime.

In fact, the 2 above detections cannot be considered as the earliest detection. The security system should have video cameras with motion sensors which detect movements of suspicious characters loitering outside the perimeter fencing and triggering the soft alarm to alert the guards inside the guardhouse. The guards can thus take preventive actions like intentionally patrolling that particular area and keeping their presence known to the would-be burglars/robbers, thus preventing a possible break-in.

At night, these video cameras should have infra-red to detect movements in darkness and triggering the alarms.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 12:28 PM
So this morning I went to Impiana Showroom (Nusajaya Centre) and signed a contract by giving RM10k deposit. Pick up the highest available floor (9th) from 3rd phase release.
There will be final phase next year which has 22nd floor as its peak.

I had an agreement that in case I cancel it within 2 weeks and they'll refund me RM9500. So I will only lose RM500. Which is worth a bet and my trip.

3274

Impiana seems like a good idea bro. may drop by these few days to look see look see the place.

Funds Transfer
26-12-2011, 12:33 PM
Just realised that you were here since last Sept and went missing for 1 whole year.

Well, 2011 was a busy year. Glad to be back and contributing!

tutucake
26-12-2011, 01:13 PM
Talking about the security system of a gated and guarded development.
Other than having alarm systems installed for each and every house, I think it's a lot safer to have the outer perimeter fencing of the entire development installed with sensors which can trigger alarms upon detection of forced entries like eg.;
1) Cutting of fencing
2) Climbing over fencing
With early detection of forced-entries into the compound of the development and triggering the super-loud alarm, we are able to expose the presence of the burglars/robbers early and scare them off before they are able to commit any crime.

In fact, the 2 above detections cannot be considered as the earliest detection. The security system should have video cameras with motion sensors which detect movements of suspicious characters loitering outside the perimeter fencing and triggering the soft alarm to alert the guards inside the guardhouse. The guards can thus take preventive actions like intentionally patrolling that particular area and keeping their presence known to the would-be burglars/robbers, thus preventing a possible break-in.

At night, these video cameras should have infra-red to detect movements in darkness and triggering the alarms.

I think heard from somewhere EL is equipped wif the infrared sensors which detects motion at the perimeter fencing....but the guards must be awake in order for this to be useful....

sggecko
26-12-2011, 01:18 PM
bro DREAMorACTION,

your mailbox is full.

Investor
26-12-2011, 01:21 PM
I think heard from somewhere EL is equipped wif the infrared sensors which detects motion at the perimeter fencing....but the guards must be awake in order for this to be useful....

The main purpose of a sensor here is to trigger an alarm. The purpose of the alarm is either to;
1) Wake up the guards(even if they're sleeping)
2) Wake up the entire township
3) Wake up the burglars/robbers themselves(as they are still thinking that they have the cover of darkness or stealth and nobody knows of their presence)

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 01:39 PM
bro DREAMorACTION,

your mailbox is full.

Sorry bro, just cleared it! Didn't know there was quota. Paiseh! :)

tutucake
26-12-2011, 01:40 PM
The main purpose of a sensor here is to trigger an alarm. The purpose of the alarm is either to;
1) Wake up the guards(even if they're sleeping)
2) Wake up the entire township
3) Wake up the burglars/robbers themselves(as they are still thinking that they have the cover of darkness or stealth and nobody knows of their presence)


Wonder if this kind of security measures can be implemented at my taman in the future.... i do agree this makes alot more sense then just a guard post at the entry...

LeMans2011
26-12-2011, 01:54 PM
Hi LeMans,

Thanks for the heads up on the security issues... it got me worried that the robbers got the balls to sneak into a G&G estate, picked a house with 2 fierce dogs and attempt to saw thru such solid grilles without the fear of alerting the security and neighbours.... The tenants are in the house during the break in.... i cant imagine the outcome if the robbers managed to break into the house.... Seems like nothing can stop these lowlife bastards...

Well... in this case the grilles did stop them :)
Just in case it gets you overly worried, there are always reasons why certain houses are targetted. In this case it is because his house is next to the hills at a remote corner. But you are right.. these buggers totally do not consider the existence of "police" or "law and order". For your case, the vulnerable period is at the initial handover stage when occupants have not moved in.
Secure your house with very strong grilles and good alarm system, stay vigilant but not paranoid.

Investor
26-12-2011, 02:01 PM
Wonder if this kind of security measures can be implemented at my taman in the future.... i do agree this makes alot more sense then just a guard post at the entry...

Without such sensors to activate the alarms, the burglars/robbers can breach the outer perimeter and walk right up to your doorsteps without anyone noticing. They will even have the luxury of time to slowly cut your grilles. Early detection is a good protection but such a perimeter security system is very expensive.

tutucake
26-12-2011, 02:11 PM
Well... in this case the grilles did stop them :)
Just in case it gets you overly worried, there are always reasons why certain houses are targetted. In this case it is because his house is next to the hills at a remote corner. But you are right.. these buggers totally do not consider the existence of "police" or "law and order". For your case, the vulnerable period is at the initial handover stage when occupants have not moved in.
Secure your house with very strong grilles and good alarm system, stay vigilant but not paranoid.

Thanx Lemans, now that you mention this, I feel abit better now....
Thats one of the reasons (other than cost) why my malaysian wife insisted on an intermediate unit...
I will definitely move in when the precinct is 80-90% occupied....
Thank you!!

LeMans2011
26-12-2011, 02:15 PM
Without such sensors to activate the alarms, the burglars/robbers can breach the outer perimeter and walk right up to your doorsteps without anyone noticing. They will even have the luxury of time to slowly cut your grilles. Early detection is a good protection but such a perimeter security system is very expensive.

Seriously... i feel that no matter how advance the system is... the management culture determine the outcome. Sadly i don't see Gamuda or UEM truly up to the mark yet. Leisure Farm had a case of intrusion several years back - what followed was management engaged a security consultant company to thoroughly re-evaluate the security setup which they thought was safe enough... they spent something like RM5m to upgrade the setup and there has not been a breach since.

Sadly, for the case of Ledang Heights, since the land are all sold... i am not sure whose responsibility and whose expense is it now to improve on the security setup and perimeter fencing??

I never rule out the freaky situation whereby they can have a great security setup, but for some reason the system is out of order and no one realises it? UEM as the master developer will have to follow through the area more than the intial few years... they need to take a longer term view than making quick bucks

tutucake
26-12-2011, 02:17 PM
Without such sensors to activate the alarms, the burglars/robbers can breach the outer perimeter and walk right up to your doorsteps without anyone noticing. They will even have the luxury of time to slowly cut your grilles. Early detection is a good protection but such a perimeter security system is very expensive.

i doubt the residents in my middle class taman will invest in this....

yonglip
26-12-2011, 02:17 PM
Well... in this case the grilles did stop them :)
Just in case it gets you overly worried, there are always reasons why certain houses are targetted. In this case it is because his house is next to the hills at a remote corner. But you are right.. these buggers totally do not consider the existence of "police" or "law and order". For your case, the vulnerable period is at the initial handover stage when occupants have not moved in.
Secure your house with very strong grilles and good alarm system, stay vigilant but not paranoid.

i had in the past asked a few people who stay at unguarded landed at bukit indah whether security is a concern. To my surprise, they said its ok. no major issues. Just install basic alarm + grilles can liao. I would have assumed that being ungated and unguarded, it will naturally have more "hits". Interestingly, it is those G&G tamans that are being visited by robbers more often. One theory is that the robbers might think that those who are rich and with more cash at home would naturally like to stay in tamans that are g&g. Especially more so if they see houses armed to the teeth with security cameras, alarms, grilles, solid gates, dogs etc..tell tale signs that the bugger living within is loaded and scared of being robbed. Hence they take on the 'challenge'/risk for greater rewards.

That being the case, I may just open my gate/main door big big at night to test out the theory next time...haha

Cheers.

LeMans2011
26-12-2011, 02:27 PM
i had in the past asked a few people who stay at unguarded landed at bukit indah whether security is a concern. To my surprise, they said its ok. no major issues. Just install basic alarm + grilles can liao. I would have assumed that being ungated and unguarded, it will naturally have more "hits". Interestingly, it is those G&G tamans that are being visited by robbers more often. One theory is that the robbers might think that those who are rich and with more cash at home would naturally like to stay in tamans that are g&g. Especially more so if they see houses armed to the teeth with security cameras, alarms, grilles, solid gates, dogs etc..tell tale signs that the bugger living within is loaded and scared of being robbed. Hence they take on the 'challenge'/risk for greater rewards.

That being the case, I may just open my gate/main door big big at night to test out the theory next time...haha

Cheers.

I always believe these buggers do not break-in "randomly". They must have observed the occupants habits... who lives there... how many people lives there... whether he appears rich... whether he looks vulnerable, etc. Tutucake's wife is right - much as we desire corner units, the lesser walls you have the fewer access points for the intruders - hence for intermediate you just need to guard front and back.

Tutu, not to scare you again but would like to point out a possible misperception. Take the Nusa Idaman Phase 2 house i am staying for example: the roof attic is "through" meaning you can climb into your neighbour's house through the ceiling if they did not lock the access point. In other words, the intruder can access your house through your neighbour's roof attic.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 02:33 PM
I always believe these buggers do not break-in "randomly". They must have observed the occupants habits... who lives there... how many people lives there... whether he appears rich... whether he looks vulnerable, etc. Tutucake's wife is right - much as we desire corner units, the lesser walls you have the fewer access points for the intruders - hence for intermediate you just need to guard front and back.

Tutu, not to scare you again but would like to point out a possible misperception. Take the Nusa Idaman Phase 2 house i am staying for example: the roof attic is "through" meaning you can climb into your neighbour's house through the ceiling if they did not lock the access point. In other words, the intruder can access your house through your neighbour's roof attic.

Bro..after your post, i think many of your neighbours will quickly go and lock up the roof access points tonight..haha.

arsenal
26-12-2011, 02:34 PM
Also, you should put some $30-50 on the table to reward the thief for their hardwork.. In case they get pissed and smashed up the house..


i had in the past asked a few people who stay at unguarded landed at bukit indah whether security is a concern. To my surprise, they said its ok. no major issues. Just install basic alarm + grilles can liao. I would have assumed that being ungated and unguarded, it will naturally have more "hits". Interestingly, it is those G&G tamans that are being visited by robbers more often. One theory is that the robbers might think that those who are rich and with more cash at home would naturally like to stay in tamans that are g&g. Especially more so if they see houses armed to the teeth with security cameras, alarms, grilles, solid gates, dogs etc..tell tale signs that the bugger living within is loaded and scared of being robbed. Hence they take on the 'challenge'/risk for greater rewards.

That being the case, I may just open my gate/main door big big at night to test out the theory next time...haha

Cheers.

crystal_tiong
26-12-2011, 02:36 PM
Hi diaspora

U mentioned ni having 10% rebate ? R u sure ? I bought last mth n promotion is 10k discount. That's a great difference!

Investor
26-12-2011, 02:38 PM
i had in the past asked a few people who stay at unguarded landed at bukit indah whether security is a concern. To my surprise, they said its ok. no major issues. Just install basic alarm + grilles can liao. I would have assumed that being ungated and unguarded, it will naturally have more "hits". Interestingly, it is those G&G tamans that are being visited by robbers more often. One theory is that the robbers might think that those who are rich and with more cash at home would naturally like to stay in tamans that are g&g. Especially more so if they see houses armed to the teeth with security cameras, alarms, grilles, solid gates, dogs etc..tell tale signs that the bugger living within is loaded and scared of being robbed. Hence they take on the 'challenge'/risk for greater rewards.

That being the case, I may just open my gate/main door big big at night to test out the theory next time...haha

Cheers.

Mine have neither gates nor fencing, want to open also cannot - Always wide open(not legs hor) :D
Actually those gates and low fencing are not for security at all(even kids can climb over them), they are just some clear-cut marking of ones territory and for some level of privacy.

crystal_tiong
26-12-2011, 02:43 PM
Hey wuqi, I can only find ah poo , dun have Poh Near to satu Malaysia workshop....
Anyway he quoted me total rm650 to spray front n back bumpers n side door n repair e dent. he is a young BENG boss.
I think e price is reasonable. Coz I sprayed bumper in sg it's sgd200 Liao.
Jus that I dun know how to kill my time coz I got to wait there till evening. Not too sure is it safe for me to walk to jusco since no car.

LeMans2011
26-12-2011, 02:45 PM
Bro..after your post, i think many of your neighbours will quickly go and lock up the roof access points tonight..haha.

Haha it is always good to secure your roof access though we normally don't... i did not know about this until my landlord told me. Next possible intrusion point we should look at is underground... sometimes the thieves dig a tunnel to get into your house hence not advisable to have garden within house... means those without concrete type... just kidding :D

yonglip
26-12-2011, 02:47 PM
Hey wuqi, I can only find ah poo , dun have Poh Near to satu Malaysia workshop....
Anyway he quoted me total rm650 to spray front n back bumpers n side door n repair e dent. he is a young BENG boss.
I think e price is reasonable. Coz I sprayed bumper in sg it's sgd200 Liao.
Jus that I dun know how to kill my time coz I got to wait there till evening. Not too sure is it safe for me to walk to jusco since no car.

hi crystal..suggest you post "Chio Bu needs ride from workshop to Jusco" in the forum, you will be surprised how many 'kind souls' there are in this forum.

jus kidding hor. cheers.

arsenal
26-12-2011, 02:48 PM
Haha it is always good to secure your roof access though we normally don't... i did not know about this until my landlord told me. Next possible intrusion point we should look at is underground... sometimes the thieves dig a tunnel to get into your house hence not advisable to have garden within house... means those without concrete type... just kidding :D

Might need to hire personal gugah guards..

arsenal
26-12-2011, 02:49 PM
Go station1 to serve Internet.. Wifi access code is 1234567890


Hey wuqi, I can only find ah poo , dun have Poh Near to satu Malaysia workshop....
Anyway he quoted me total rm650 to spray front n back bumpers n side door n repair e dent. he is a young BENG boss.
I think e price is reasonable. Coz I sprayed bumper in sg it's sgd200 Liao.
Jus that I dun know how to kill my time coz I got to wait there till evening. Not too sure is it safe for me to walk to jusco since no car.

crystal_tiong
26-12-2011, 02:49 PM
Btw I tried e beef noodles , it's not bad but e chilli is very spicy! I can eat spicy one but this one is solid , eat until I got flu ah. And I tried the dental which sanur recommended. I find that still ok, check up n cleaning is rm100. But e receptionist cant speak english well. Although I have Appointment , I still waited 1 hr plus , a bit screwed up. The dentist is patience to explain the progress of my teeth, in sg they never speak to me more than 3 mins on my condition. E dentist suggesting me to close up e gap between my teeth. Which 2 or 3 will be very obvious. Hmmm, wondering should I do or not. Each teeth will cost rm200-300. Maybe should seek for second opinion.

crystal_tiong
26-12-2011, 02:52 PM
hi crystal..suggest you post "Chio Bu needs ride from workshop to Jusco" in the forum, you will be surprised how many 'kind souls' there are in this forum.

jus kidding hor. cheers.

Hahha. Me not chio leh. I think I take taxi ba. Without car is so inconvenient leh. Wonder got any cwp bus I can take to explore or not. Else 8 hrs dun know do wat. Bring 1 book to read , do pedi n mani at jusco , wat else can do ? No cinema leh.

crystal_tiong
26-12-2011, 02:55 PM
Go station1 to serve Internet.. Wifi access code is 1234567890
Wow , u r e best ! I bring iPad over !

Investor
26-12-2011, 02:58 PM
Hi LeMans,

Thanks for the heads up on the security issues... it got me worried that the robbers got the balls to sneak into a G&G estate, picked a house with 2 fierce dogs and attempt to saw thru such solid grilles without the fear of alerting the security and neighbours.... The tenants are in the house during the break in.... i cant imagine the outcome if the robbers managed to break into the house.... Seems like nothing can stop these lowlife bastards...

If they have no fear, they wouldn't be wasting their time cutting grilles. They would be walking into Jusco during the day and rob everyone, rob the banks, rape the girls and bring back a few girls in your car as sex slaves, load all the loots in everyone's car in the car park and drive off slowly - one car at a time(laughing loudly when driving off).

Did they do that? Nope.
Why? They fear.

Knowing this, you can reduce your chances of being the next statistic of house break-in by;
1) Getting a unit away from the outer perimeter of the development, preferably in the middle of the development.
2) Install good quality security grilles.
3) Install good alarm system with sensors for movements, cutting vibration etc.
4) Eliminate dark corners outside your house by illuminating it. If electricity charges is a concern, install movement sensors which will activate the Bright Lights only when movement is detected.(Don't be surprised that many landed houses in Singapore have that)
5) Land mines and electric fencing (Just Joking) :D
6) As Lemans mentioned - Be vigilant, not paranoid.

Nothing can assure 100% prevention, at least chances are reduced.
Singapore's crime fighting slogan - Don't be an easy target!

yonglip
26-12-2011, 03:03 PM
If they have no fear, they wouldn't be wasting their time cutting grilles. They would be walking into Jusco during the day and rob everyone, rob the banks, rape the girls and bring back a few girls in your car as sex slaves, load all the loots in everyone's car in the car park and drive off slowly - one car at a time(laughing loudly when driving off).

Did they do that? Nope.
Why? They fear.

Knowing this, you can reduce your chances of being the next statistic of house break-in by;
1) Getting a unit away from the outer perimeter of the development, preferably in the middle of the development.
2) Install good quality security grilles.
3) Install good alarm system with sensors for movements, cutting vibration etc.
4) Eliminate dark corners outside your house by illuminating it. If electricity charges is a concern, install movement sensors which will activate the Bright Lights only when movement is detected.(Don't be surprised that many landed houses in Singapore have that)
5) Land mines and electric fencing (Just Joking) :D
6) As Lemans mentioned - Be vigilant, not paranoid.

Nothing can assure 100% prevention, at least chances are reduced.
Singapore's crime fighting slogan - Don't be an easy target!

bro...u remind me of the guy from 'Crimewatch'..haha.

yonglip
26-12-2011, 03:07 PM
Singapore crime watch slogan is "Low crime doesnt mean no crime"

I think JB's crime watch slogan is "High crime doesnt mean every time"..haha.

Investor
26-12-2011, 03:09 PM
Haha it is always good to secure your roof access though we normally don't... i did not know about this until my landlord told me. Next possible intrusion point we should look at is underground... sometimes the thieves dig a tunnel to get into your house hence not advisable to have garden within house... means those without concrete type... just kidding :D

Haha this kinda house's design seems familiar to me leh :D

Investor
26-12-2011, 03:21 PM
Singapore crime watch slogan is "Low crime doesnt mean no crime"

I think JB's crime watch slogan is "High crime doesnt mean every time"..haha.

Hahaha! That's a good one.
By the way Singapore is really good at 'advertising'. The slogan sounds more like telling people about our 'Low Crime' rather than alerting people about 'doesn't mean no crime'.

tutucake
26-12-2011, 04:00 PM
If they have no fear, they wouldn't be wasting their time cutting grilles. They would be walking into Jusco during the day and rob everyone, rob the banks, rape the girls and bring back a few girls in your car as sex slaves, load all the loots in everyone's car in the car park and drive off slowly - one car at a time(laughing loudly when driving off).

Did they do that? Nope.
Why? They fear.

Knowing this, you can reduce your chances of being the next statistic of house break-in by;
1) Getting a unit away from the outer perimeter of the development, preferably in the middle of the development.
2) Install good quality security grilles.
3) Install good alarm system with sensors for movements, cutting vibration etc.
4) Eliminate dark corners outside your house by illuminating it. If electricity charges is a concern, install movement sensors which will activate the Bright Lights only when movement is detected.(Don't be surprised that many landed houses in Singapore have that)
5) Land mines and electric fencing (Just Joking) :D
6) As Lemans mentioned - Be vigilant, not paranoid.

Nothing can assure 100% prevention, at least chances are reduced.
Singapore's crime fighting slogan - Don't be an easy target!


Alamak... when i say "without fear"... Im not talking abt the extreme to the extend of walking into Jusco and rob everyone.... But i'm sure you have seen videos of robbers walking into coffeeshops with parang and snatching the patrons laptops and ripping off the cash register from the counter.... damn "Chang Kuang"

Do you have a good idea of how much would a good alarm system with all those features you mentioned cost? im now saving $700 per month for my renovation.... will need to budget this in as well... =\

Investor
26-12-2011, 04:13 PM
Alamak... when i say "without fear"... Im not talking abt the extreme to the extend of walking into Jusco and rob everyone.... But i'm sure you have seen videos of robbers walking into coffeeshops with parang and snatching the patrons laptops and ripping off the cash register from the counter.... damn "Chang Kuang"

Do you have a good idea of how much would a good alarm system with all those features you mentioned cost? im now saving $700 per month for my renovation.... will need to budget this in as well... =\

Haha I stated the extreme just to make it interesting mah :) and most importantly to highlight that they have fear, not no fear!
Did you see the robbers sitting down for a cup of coffee after robbing? :D (haha just another extreme)
They ran away quickly to avoid being caught as they are afraid of the consequences too.
So, the loud alarm is to make them run before they even start to rob.
How much? I also dunno :D Just goggle for it tutucake :)

tutucake
26-12-2011, 04:36 PM
Haha I stated the extreme just to make it interesting mah :) and most importantly to highlight that they have fear, not no fear!
Did you see the robbers sitting down for a cup of coffee after robbing? :D (haha just another extreme)
They ran away quickly to avoid being caught as they are afraid of the consequences too.
So, the loud alarm is to make them run before they even start to rob.
How much? I also dunno :D Just goggle for it tutucake :)


LOL.... i think i saw one robber tabaoing a Milo Peng before fleeing.... :D
Thanks for the info dude.... I will post the info up if i manage to find anything on the internet...

mathstub
26-12-2011, 06:29 PM
Dear Bros and Sis,

Have been out of SG for so many days and have just got a chance to come by the forum to wish everyone here has had a Merry X mas and have a Happy New Year and my best wishes and blessing to all of you who have bought or rented or will buy or rent the properties in Iskandar Malaysia!

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 11:14 PM
For those visited to Horizon Residence, do you share the same perspectives?

Hi, I went to look at it. Price is reasonable and they include good kitchen cabinets and nice floor finishes. What stopped me from thinking of buying was :-

1) if it is meant for investment, the location will lose to the giant tower suites in BI
2) the pool is not big
3) the location is right inside low cost housing, and I have reserve
4) the sales person was pushy and I sensed some fishy marketing tactic. They have been marketing for more than 9 months and some units are still available. When u enquire, they will tell u that only one or two units are available due to the loan application not being approved by the previous applicant. Once u said u don't like the limited selected units, they will leave it for a day and call u the next day to tell u that they are more rejected application coming in and thus persuade u to consider and buy. I mean come on, the price is not that high and yet so many loans were rejected? I just didn't buy it.
5) the developer has yet to proved themselves on middle to high end development. So, that discounted a bit, for me.

Thats Just my opinion :-) don't smack me if my points are being irrelevant. Cheers

DREAMorACTION
26-12-2011, 11:27 PM
Hi diaspora

U mentioned ni having 10% rebate ? R u sure ? I bought last mth n promotion is 10k discount. That's a great difference!

Hi crystal, I was also being told that it's 10k only. If it was 10%, I will grab it without hesitation. Still thinking if I shall buy at P8b. The 10k promotion will end by end of this month. Argh!!'

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 01:15 AM
Hey wuqi, I can only find ah poo , dun have Poh Near to satu Malaysia workshop....
Anyway he quoted me total rm650 to spray front n back bumpers n side door n repair e dent. he is a young BENG boss.
I think e price is reasonable. Coz I sprayed bumper in sg it's sgd200 Liao.
Jus that I dun know how to kill my time coz I got to wait there till evening. Not too sure is it safe for me to walk to jusco since no car.

Normally you can request the machanic to sent you Jusco . When the job is done , pick you up again at Jusco . This is what I normally do when sending my car for repair at BI area.

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 01:21 AM
Bro, the semi Ds are about 1.3mil to 1.6mil. Phase 1-3 all sold out except for bumi reserves. Phase 4 was launched about 3 mths ago. More than 50% sold, mostly near the clubhouse. You might want to consider bumi release phase 3 for sea facing units. The clubhouse is about 75% completed. Pretty impressive - you should drop by and check it out.

Bro , thanks for info . Just wanted to have a feel of how is market like lah. No intention to buy anything as bullet is limited.

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 01:32 AM
Bro Nusajaya, Diaspora,and others...

thanks for your mind advice.
It is in fact good to ask myself what I need or want.

What I don't need:
- I don't need a place for stay (other than my current place) for next 20-25 years. At least I believe, I should work for this duration.

What I want:
- I want a property for investment
- It needs to easily find tenants.
- Hopefully it appreciates faster than surrounding and probably I can invest for my 2nd property

In case my expectation doesn't work out:
- I may just use this property as holiday home/weekend home.
- and if I'm no more competitive earlier than I thought: I may migrate out earlier and earn my rental income from SG property.


I analysed this whole development over this weekend period and I finally believe:
1) It may take 20-30 years for the whole Iskandar (3x of SG) to fully develop.
2) The 1st 10 years will focus on inner Zone B (East Ledang, Medini, Kota iskandar, Puteri Harbour, Educity)
This is the key of the development. If it succeed, others will. If it fails, others have not much chance to survive.

Therefore I feel it is very important for me to pick property in this region as there will be many business activities in this area which requires housing.
The housing in this area:
- East Ledang is no more affordable for me.
- Puteri Harbour is too expensive
- 1Madini is very interesting. But it is Leasehold and using commercial term (electricity, tax, etc will be higher).
- Ujana sold out.
- Impiana has some available looking as the best candidate in this area for me.

The outer zone B such as:
- Horizon Hills
- Nusa Idaman

are the next on my list. But as it is separated by highway to the city, it becomes less appealing to me. But I have not totally given up on this area unless someone prove me otherwise.


So this morning I went to Impiana Showroom (Nusajaya Centre) and signed a contract by giving RM10k deposit. Pick up the highest available floor (9th) from 3rd phase release.
There will be final phase next year which has 22nd floor as its peak.

I had an agreement that in case I cancel it within 2 weeks and they'll refund me RM9500. So I will only lose RM500. Which is worth a bet and my trip.

3274

Bro Impiana seem a good idea ... cheer !

Investor
27-12-2011, 02:34 AM
Hi all, I tried to submit posts. Why is none of them showing? Thx

Your first 10 posts will be delayed due to moderation. Subsequent posts will all be immediate.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 02:37 AM
Your first 10 posts will be delayed due to moderation. Subsequent posts will all be immediate.

Oh I see. I thought it was something to do with iPhone. The suspense and delay in posting is not much fun when I'm so looking forward to the replies to my post. The suspense is killing me lol. Thanks for clarifying, investor :)

Investor
27-12-2011, 02:38 AM
Posted by DREAMorACTION.


Hi all, just registered and pls bear with me if I'm asking questions that have been well deliberated before. I have read so many pages and I'm not sure I have digested all of it lol

Hi diaspora, pertaining to NI P8b, is the rebate 10% or 10k? I was told by the marketing agent that it's 10k. If it is 10%, it will be a different ball game to me. I think the P8b (with only 10k rebates) is quite steep, for the quality of the finishes that they are providing. I have had 3 sleepless nights thinking and tossing if I should buy i. This will be my first home purchase. If it's 10% rebates, then I will have a different view on it, and I think I will buy it right away.

Concurrently, also looking at the phase 7A (hillside home, not the courtyard). I noticed that for these 2 phases, there are still quite a lot of vacant units (especially the intermediate), despite the fact that phase 7A was launched in may/June and 8b in September. What do u guys think these 2 phases are receiving low response, when the other phases were so well received, and the price is much cheaper than the new launches of HH? And not only that, with the low response, the agent said that from 1st jan 12, there will be no discount whatsoever, and this is consistent with the marketing practice of the other precincts. Is it true? Is it true that for every launch, they will first offer 20k rebates, then 10k and follow by "nothing"? The agent also said that for all new launches, the 8c etc, the prices will increase even more, despite the gloomy economic.

I have really torn as to what to do now (this house is for own stay). Shall I keep dreaming that they will give more discounts (especially for P7A - due to its completion date of June 12 and poor response) or shall I just buy it? Also come across HH the gateway, there are some terraced house going for slightly less than 500k. I'm torn. Both locations meet my needs, so it's now a matter of which one gives me better sentiment, and I'm inclined to choose HH, but I hate going into subsale market as I'm not familiar with it. Have to stress again that Im buying my first home for own stay, so being very cautious in the thinking process. Buying subsale also means I must have negotiation skill and gotta pay all the fees.

I also read that standard chartered bank, UOB, HSBC and public bank are not good. That will leave only banks like cimb, am bank, rhb, alliance and may bank to choose? I'm sure some of u guys have explored the different options. Can some one be nice enough to summarize and direct me to the best and most efficient bank to deal with? I'm looking for flexi payment, earlier redemption of loan without penalty and online payment (extra payment, as and when). From cimb's website, their package seems to tick all my boxes. Any body has experiences dealing with them? Rhb is also possible, but the website says that I can only get 80% plus MRtA is compulsory. I'm a local, do u know if rhb will extend 90% to me instead?

I really do hope u guys can enlighten me and any advice will be greatly appreciated. Much thanks bros and sis :-)

Having boxing day btw :-)

greddy88
27-12-2011, 02:38 AM
vulnerable period is at the initial handover stage when occupants have not moved in.

i believe there are some timer-based system that will automatically turn on lights and electrical stuff at a programmed interval. this will probably give people outside a false impression that the house has occupants.

sggecko
27-12-2011, 02:41 AM
anyone know the price for Nusa Idaman Project 2-sty Terrace/Link House?

do u know where I can see the location map?

thanks.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 02:45 AM
Most of these burglars are professionals and they break and run many times a night. Some come from other states and they will flee once the jobs are done. I know there is a group who stays in a well guarded taman (in the northern side of Iskandar Malaysia), so they might even be your neighbors. These guys drive luxury cars when they are doing their job. Police officers once commented these guys can't be burglars since they drive BMWs.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 02:46 AM
Putrajaya contracts Gemas-JB double-track to Chinese firm

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/putrajaya-contracts-gemas-jb-double-track-to-chinese-firm/

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 27 — Putrajaya has agreed to award a Chinese firm, most likely the Chinese Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) with local partner Gamuda Bhd, a multi-billion ringgit contract to build the 197-km Gemas-Johor Baru electrified double tracking project (EDTP), instead of front-runner China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), sources say.

The Malaysian Insider understands the project is worth between RM7 and RM8 billion, after it was put under a mid-term review in the Ninth Malaysia Plan. The Gemas-Johor Baru sector would be the final package for the EDTP, with the other sectors being the Ipoh-Padang Besar and Seremban-Gemas lines.

“Putrajaya has decided on China Road and Bridge Corporation after some last-minute lobbying,” a source told The Malaysian Insider.

Another source said the award could be a wrinkle in Putrajaya-Beijing ties as only CRCC is authorised to tender for rail-related projects abroad. “The decision has been made and will be announced very soon,” the source disclosed.

Putrajaya and Beijing maintain very good political and business ties, with China taking palm oil and other commodities apart from a flow of goods being traded under the Asean-China Free Trade Agreement (FTA). However, the Penang Second Bridge project has not drawn down a US$800 million soft loan from Beijing while Putrajaya has also rejected a Chinese firm’s US$1 billion (RM3.1 billion) redevelopment bid for the Pudu Jail land.

But the Gemas-Johor Baru EDTP has always been seen as a project for Chinese companies, the sources said.

The project includes building nearly 200km of parallel railway tracks, including stations, depots, halts, yards and bridges and cover systems such as electrification, signalling and communications. This includes a realignment between Pulau Sebang, Melaka and the Gemas section.

Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha said in July that the Gemas-Johor Baru stretch was already in the final stage of design but declined to state if the tender would be open to foreign parties when it is completed by end of the year.

He said the EDTP in the northern section was slated for completion by end-2013 and the line to Johor by 2016.

There has always been great interest in Malaysia’s double-tracking project as it was part of a larger Trans-Asian rail link between Singapore to China.

On May 2009, Global Rail Sdn Bhd, a relatively small contractor and its Chinese partner, China Infraglobe, submitted a proposal to Putrajaya to build and upgrade tracks from Gemas to Johor Baru at a cost of RM5 billion. The Business Times reported that the project will be on a private finance initiative (PFI) basis and the plan submitted to the Finance Ministry later in June 2009 was conditional upon signing over mineral rights in Johor State.

Kong said last January that the government hoped to appoint the contractor for the project this year and Malaysia is still in the midst of talking with CRCC but nothing had been confirmed yet. He also said two consultants had been appointed, a design consultant and an independent checker, to monitor the project..

LeMans2011
27-12-2011, 02:53 AM
Most of these burglars are professionals and they break and run many times a night. Some come from other states and they will flee once the jobs are done. I know there is a group who stays in a well guarded taman (in the northern side of Iskandar Malaysia), so they might even be your neighbors. These guys drive luxury cars when they are doing their job. Police officers once commented these guys can't be burglars since they drive BMWs.

There is a guy who drives an old model 3-series staying at my precinct, he parks his car far away from his house and we have many theories speculating why he needs to do that. If you have a BMW, why do you park it far away from your house??? Another guy often drops him at our taman in a new 5-series and they are always very secretive.. i have been watching him. My theory is this guy is a criminal (possibly one of those professional burglars).

I have a pair of binoculars and whenever any car stops for too long nearby i will observe them.
Haven't caught anything so far other than some young couple stopped their car to hanky panky :)

LeMans2011
27-12-2011, 02:56 AM
Haha this kinda house's design seems familiar to me leh :D

Yes, i have one and i believe you have one too... oops

LeMans2011
27-12-2011, 03:00 AM
i believe there are some timer-based system that will automatically turn on lights and electrical stuff at a programmed interval. this will probably give people outside a false impression that the house has occupants.

Yes that is available... what i mean is if only 30% of the occupants have moved in, you don't have enough "eyes" in the neighbourhood and there are many easy hiding place for burglars like what happened at Adda Heights

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 03:05 AM
Yes, i have one and i believe you have one too... oops

What is this "through" concept. Any pics to illustrate? I'm still puzzled. I will want to look my soon-to-buy house too, so no peeping from u guys lol. Honestly, what is this through concept.

pasture8
27-12-2011, 03:11 AM
Alamak... when i say "without fear"... Im not talking abt the extreme to the extend of walking into Jusco and rob everyone.... But i'm sure you have seen videos of robbers walking into coffeeshops with parang and snatching the patrons laptops and ripping off the cash register from the counter.... damn "Chang Kuang"

Do you have a good idea of how much would a good alarm system with all those features you mentioned cost? im now saving $700 per month for my renovation.... will need to budget this in as well... =\

Talking about "Chang Kuang" ... a colleague of mine who stays in Kulai (her parent's )... The robbers use a gas cylinder to smash the roof and enter via it! Her uncle kena before! Tied up and robbed in his house. She said cases of robbery increases during periods of financial troubles i.e. 1998, 2003.

The MY gov need to bring employment to the ppl inorder to reduce such cases. The Johor gov has recently recruited a 900+ strong police battalion. This serves two function, 1 - to increase police presence and manpower for patroling and 2 - create middle class jobs for the polytechnic and university graduates. Let the ppl of Johor have a share of the progress they can see around them everyday.

pasture8
27-12-2011, 03:19 AM
anyone know the price for Nusa Idaman Project 2-sty Terrace/Link House?

do u know where I can see the location map?

thanks.

hi sggecko

www.nusaidaman.com

sggecko
27-12-2011, 03:29 AM
I check rental rates in Malaysia sucks big time as compared to its property prices.
Some condos value of RM500k rent out only less than RM1.5k/month.

Nusajaya properties seems to be sold at premium. I see properties around Johor with equal comfort level is sold at least at 40% discount.

Leongsam
27-12-2011, 03:36 AM
Your first 10 posts will be delayed due to moderation. Subsequent posts will all be immediate.

That's absolute rubbish. You can post 100 messages and still be in moderation. In fact, you might end up being banned.

I already explained it to you in THIS POST (http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?35746-Living-in-JB&p=849433&highlight=moderation#post849433) the last time you wrote the same bullshit. Stop spreading fallacies. All you do is confuse new members.

sggecko
27-12-2011, 03:38 AM
That's absolute rubbish. You can post 100 messages and still be in moderation. In fact, you might end up being banned.

I already explained it to you in THIS POST (http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?35746-Living-in-JB&p=849433&highlight=moderation#post849433) the last time you wrote the same bullshit. Stop spreading fallacies. All you do is confuse new members.

Bro, he is just being helpful.
as admin you need to provide guidance and be more polite.

thanks.

pasture8
27-12-2011, 03:42 AM
I check rental rates in Malaysia sucks big time as compared to its property prices.
Some condos value of RM500k rent out only less than RM1.5k/month.

Nusajaya properties seems to be sold at premium. I see properties around Johor with equal comfort level is sold at least at 40% discount.

As you gather more and more info, your misconceptions will be cleared. So at the end of the day, you really need to know your philosophy and once you have answered yourself why you want to come to JB, then you will action on it. It is also a journey of discovery of JB and yourself, don't you think? :)

Leongsam
27-12-2011, 03:46 AM
Bro, he is just being helpful.
as admin you need to provide guidance and be more polite.

thanks.

That's exactly what I did the first time round. I explained to him how moderation works and why posting 10 messages would not lift moderation.

However, a couple of months later, he repeats exactly the same falsehoods. He either has his own agenda or he didn't even bother to read my message. I see no reason why I should be polite given the circumstances.

tutucake
27-12-2011, 04:52 AM
There is a guy who drives an old model 3-series staying at my precinct, he parks his car far away from his house and we have many theories speculating why he needs to do that. If you have a BMW, why do you park it far away from your house??? Another guy often drops him at our taman in a new 5-series and they are always very secretive.. i have been watching him. My theory is this guy is a criminal (possibly one of those professional burglars).

I have a pair of binoculars and whenever any car stops for too long nearby i will observe them.
Haven't caught anything so far other than some young couple stopped their car to hanky panky :)

Wow...I wish i'm rich enuff to be your neighbour... then we can take rotating shifts to do guard duty....:D

LeMans2011
27-12-2011, 04:57 AM
Wow...I wish i'm rich enuff to be your neighbour... then we can take rotating shifts to do guard duty....:D

I'm not rich and you are welcome to be my neighbour... but you are right... neighbourhood watch is a powerful force :)

sggecko
27-12-2011, 05:08 AM
anyone invests in JB Shophouses?

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 05:09 AM
I'm so sorry to have caused this exchange of arguments. I get it now, and I know it's under moderation. I thought it was my iPhone playing up on me. The reply was made based on good intention. I appreciate the time spent to read and reply. U r a kind bunch. Thanks for clarifying everything.


That's exactly what I did the first time round. I explained to him how moderation works and why posting 10 messages would not lift moderation.

However, a couple of months later, he repeats exactly the same falsehoods. He either has his own agenda or he didn't even bother to read my message. I see no reason why I should be polite given the circumstances.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 05:12 AM
Using the slip road next to the HH (from bukit indah 2), when u read the end of the road, u should see the sales office on the right, next to a lake. Hope it helps


hi sggecko

www.nusaidaman.com

lastresort
27-12-2011, 06:19 AM
There is a guy who drives an old model 3-series staying at my precinct, he parks his car far away from his house and we have many theories speculating why he needs to do that. If you have a BMW, why do you park it far away from your house??? Another guy often drops him at our taman in a new 5-series and they are always very secretive.. i have been watching him. My theory is this guy is a criminal (possibly one of those professional burglars).

I have a pair of binoculars and whenever any car stops for too long nearby i will observe them.
Haven't caught anything so far other than some young couple stopped their car to hanky panky :)

haha, better take close look at them, esp the young couple, you never know what they are up to. =)

Investor
27-12-2011, 06:29 AM
That won't work because the moderation period is time as well as post dependent. Posting 20 "test" messages in quick succession won't change the duration of probation. It's at least 24 hours no matter what. It could well be longer. In fact, posting a large number of repetitive messages in a short period of time may result in the script classifying a genuine member as a spam bot and the account will be terminated.

A member also has to maintain a rep score at 10 points or more. If rep falls below 10, it's back into moderation mode so don't post nonsense. You might end up getting points deducted.


Ok noted Mr Leongsam :)

Yes, last time I did suggest to new members that they should post 10 "test" messages in quick succession so that they can get through the moderation period faster. All I wanted to do was to encourage new members to continue their participation in your forum and continue posting instead of giving up because their questions were not answered due to the delay, and they don't even know why their post didn't appear.

You posted the above to explain and I read and acknowledged it.


Your first 10 posts will be delayed due to moderation. Subsequent posts will all be immediate.


Oh I see. I thought it was something to do with iPhone. The suspense and delay in posting is not much fun when I'm so looking forward to the replies to my post. The suspense is killing me lol. Thanks for clarifying, investor :)

Thus this time, I did not suggest to the new member that he should post 10 "test" messages in quick succession.
New member DREAMorACTION asked the question, "Why didn't my post appear?". I answered him because of the same good intention I stated above. New members don't know what happened to their post because the 'notification' message(about moderation) only appears for a while and disappears, many new members will miss that notification message.


Posted by DREAMorACTION.


That's absolute rubbish. You can post 100 messages and still be in moderation. In fact, you might end up being banned.

I already explained it to you in THIS POST (http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?35746-Living-in-JB&p=849433&highlight=moderation#post849433) the last time you wrote the same bullshit. Stop spreading fallacies. All you do is confuse new members.

You got angry because you thought/assumed that I was again telling the new members to post 10 "test" or meaningless messages, which I didn't. That was why you, again but frustratedly this time, emphasized that a new member can post 100 messages and still be in moderation.

I specified "1st 10 messages" simply because that was so far the standard default from the system which we have observed(provided that a new member's messages are not classified as spam by the system, and that the 24 hour "Time" criteria is met too, yes I got your message).


Bro, he is just being helpful.
as admin you need to provide guidance and be more polite.

thanks.


That's exactly what I did the first time round. I explained to him how moderation works and why posting 10 messages would not lift moderation.

However, a couple of months later, he repeats exactly the same falsehoods. He either has his own agenda or he didn't even bother to read my message. I see no reason why I should be polite given the circumstances.

After all my explanation above, you can still think that I have my own agenda, but most other members would know that your thought is absolute rubbish/bullshit(the same way you think of mine).

Try asking DREAMorACTION whether my answer to him has encouraged him to continue posting or the opposite.
DREAMorACTION thanked me didn't he? He's now happily participating in your forum... No??

Moreover, I reposted his 1st post which everyone missed out, so that everyone can read it and help to reply. Please tell me what my intention/agenda is for that Einstein?

lastresort
27-12-2011, 06:40 AM
Investor bro, dont need to worry, I am sure most brothers and sisters here know what you mean. It might be just a misunderstanding. =)

HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheerss!

Investor
27-12-2011, 06:51 AM
Investor bro, dont need to worry, I am sure most brothers and sisters here know what you mean. It might be just a misunderstanding. =)

HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheerss!

Cheers bro. HAPPY NEW YEAR to you too :)

avelc
27-12-2011, 07:01 AM
Wishing all brothers and sisters Happy New Year, a prosperous year ahead !

Investor
27-12-2011, 07:19 AM
Oh I see. I thought it was something to do with iPhone. The suspense and delay in posting is not much fun when I'm so looking forward to the replies to my post. The suspense is killing me lol. Thanks for clarifying, investor :)

No problem at all :)


Bro, he is just being helpful.
as admin you need to provide guidance and be more polite.

thanks.

Thanks for helping sggecko :)

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 07:28 AM
Normally you can request the machanic to sent you Jusco . When the job is done , pick you up again at Jusco . This is what I normally do when sending my car for repair at BI area.

Oh I want they faster do my car. Anyway I walked to jusco so that I can observe what they have here. Next time can try facial at e shop houses.
Now I am using mac wifi to surf forum, Hee. Still got 1.5hrs to collect my car. I had already done my pedi, hair cut , Wash and treatment Liao. Nothing nice to buy at e moment so stop by n try e wif. I am glad it works!!!

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 07:50 AM
Hi crystal, I was also being told that it's 10k only. If it was 10%, I will grab it without hesitation. Still thinking if I shall buy at P8b. The 10k promotion will end by end of this month. Argh!!'

I read fr fb that e developers are gg to reduce price. Include ni.
I think more promotion will come. By right ni -10k should end by end nov, that's y I rushed last mth to buy. Ends up it extended to end of dec. so far not even 50% sold leh. So u ask e sales any better promotion coming? When I get home today, I will paste e fb link to here for u to see what's e discussion about.

gskalra
27-12-2011, 08:06 AM
Hi all,

I am at page 441 now and have read the last 48 pages of the forum too. Hope to be fully through in 2 weeks time.

I read in between that someone had problems with their physical bill tracking in Singapore/Malaysia. A friend of mine started this online portal called "gogreenpost.com". It is supposed to help you consolidate your bills online(so you see everything in one place and don't waste paper) and in the future it will have an online payment system.

It is mainly in Singapore and I think a few vendors in Malaysia too. I stress that I am putting this up, so that it will be easy for you guys to monitor your bills. Its a free service and I am not trying to sell anything.

Hope to join you guys in JB soon too. Thanks

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 08:21 AM
Hi crystal, yah, when I enquired in November, they did say that the promotion was until end nov. they have taken off all the banners, but yet the promotion is still ongoing (quietly). When I asked if there is a new promotion coming up (due to the vacancy I observed from their plan), the answer was "our strategy has always been offering 20k for the first 20 customers, then offer 10k for a period of time, follow by no discount whatsoever. This is in line with the promotion strategy we had done for past phases. In fact, the prices might even go higher when more units are sold". I thot the increase of prices was absolute rubbish, so my reply was "what?! Price increase despite the gloomy economy being forecasted! (in a nice jokingly manner of course). But that aside, my consideration was whether 10k and the nett price is making it all worthwhile. Im on the fence but having said that, I'm inclined to rush in a secure one now. But I had some doubts in my earlier post, which was very kindly reported by "investor" and I'm still waiting for some kind souls to shed some lights.

Yeah, pls kindly post the link because personally, I do think more promotion should be coming in view of the low response, as well as the tightening of loan policy now. Increasingly, there are more people not able to obtain loan approval.

Havig said all these, if uem really slash the price or even give out greater promotion, existing buyer will feel shortchanged. Not sure if they will go down that road. However, if they don't slash the price, there is no other incentives to give as they have already absorp all costs. Unless maybe they absorp interests during construction (can't see that being beneficial as the construction has been quite advanced). I want to buy NI P8, just not sure if it should be now or wait till jan. I think if they dont do more promotion, likely I will just have to scratch my face and beg for the 10k to be given, due to my keen interests and since I have been enquiring lol

Awaiting for your link to be posted. Thanks and have a great dinner at jusco :-)


I read fr fb that e developers are gg to reduce price. Include ni.
I think more promotion will come. By right ni -10k should end by end nov, that's y I rushed last mth to buy. Ends up it extended to end of dec. so far not even 50% sold leh. So u ask e sales any better promotion coming? When I get home today, I will paste e fb link to here for u to see what's e discussion about.

Vincent77
27-12-2011, 08:27 AM
Investor bro, dont need to worry, I am sure most brothers and sisters here know what you mean. It might be just a misunderstanding. =)

HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheerss!

i suppose this is georgetown, for mainland, this price is pretty expensive.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 08:27 AM
Bro investor, u guys are the reason why I'm investing time to actively participate. It's actually fun and there are full of knowledgable people here. U learn a lot and open your perspectives on things. We r all adults and we can judge. I personally do not think u have agenda to mislead anybody, whatsoever. U have contributed a lot up the forum as I can see it, pls continue to do so and do my be affected by the accusation. I feel awful to have started this fight unintentionally. But I agree that perhaps the admin can post the rules as a sticky.

Anyway, let's clear the misunderstanding that we may all have, and make this a fun, exciting, active and lovable forum. I thank u all for being nice and kind people. If there is disagreement, it's purely the difference in opinion and belief. We are all entitled to own belief/thoughts. Let's close this issue and continue contributing in other more valuable posts :-) cheers


Yes, last time I did suggest to new members that they should post 10 "test" messages in quick succession so that they can get through the moderation period faster. All I wanted to do was to encourage new members to continue their participation in your forum and continue posting instead of giving up because their questions were not answered due to the delay, and they don't even know why their post didn't appear.

You posted the above to explain and I read and acknowledged it.





Thus this time, I did not suggest to the new member that he should post 10 "test" messages in quick succession.
New member DREAMorACTION asked the question, "Why didn't my post appear?". I answered him because of the same good intention I stated above. New members don't know what happened to their post because the 'notification' message(about moderation) only appears for a while and disappears, many new members will miss that notification message.





You got angry because you thought/assumed that I was again telling the new members to post 10 "test" or meaningless messages, which I didn't. That was why you, again but frustratedly this time, emphasized that a new member can post 100 messages and still be in moderation. I specified "1st 10 messages" because that was so far the standard default from the system which we observed(provided that a new member's messages are not classified as spam by the system, and that the 24 hour "Time" criteria is met too, yes I got your message).





After all my explanation above, you can still think that I have my own agenda, but most other members would know that your thought is absolute rubbish/bullshit(the same way you think of mine).
Try asking DREAMorACTION whether my answer to him has encouraged him to continue posting or the opposite.
DREAMorACTION thanked me didn't he? He's now happily participating in your forum... No??
Moreover, I reposted his 1st post which everyone missed out, so that everyone can read it and help to reply. Please tell me what's my intention/agenda for that Einstein?

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 08:31 AM
No, I think shop houses in good location like those in Sutera have crossed the 1.5mil mark. It's for rich people to invest. I'm rich in my own definition but not rich in having so much money lol :p


anyone invests in JB Shophouses?

harveen
27-12-2011, 08:48 AM
how do you guys handle your mails from singapore companies ? example singtel mobile lines , LTA letters etc ? do they send to malaysia address ?


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warmest,
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sggecko
27-12-2011, 09:12 AM
This is how much your property value should be if the bank charge you 4.2% interest per annum and you pay RM300 maintenance fee based on property value of RM500k in order to breakeven:

Year Value
0 500000
1 524600
2 550233.2
3 576942.9944
4 604774.6002
5 633775.1334
6 663993.689
7 695481.4239
8 728291.6437
9 762479.8928
10 798104.0482
11 835224.4183
12 873903.8438
13 914207.8053
14 956204.5331
15 999965.1235
16 1045563.659
17 1093077.332
18 1142586.58
19 1194175.217
20 1247930.576
21 1303943.66
22 1362309.294
23 1423126.284
24 1486497.588
25 1552530.487
26 1621336.767
27 1693032.911
28 1767740.294
29 1845585.386
30 1926699.972

spidey
27-12-2011, 09:21 AM
This is how much your property value should be if the bank charge you 4.2% interest per annum and you pay RM300 maintenance fee based on property value of RM500k in order to breakeven:

Year Value
0 500000
1 524600
2 550233.2
3 576942.9944
4 604774.6002
5 633775.1334
6 663993.689
7 695481.4239
8 728291.6437
9 762479.8928
10 798104.0482
11 835224.4183
12 873903.8438
13 914207.8053
14 956204.5331
15 999965.1235
16 1045563.659
17 1093077.332
18 1142586.58
19 1194175.217
20 1247930.576
21 1303943.66
22 1362309.294
23 1423126.284
24 1486497.588
25 1552530.487
26 1621336.767
27 1693032.911
28 1767740.294
29 1845585.386
30 1926699.972

Bro, need to go to such extent??? Then what about Inflation ratelah, NPV lah, opportunity cost lah, country GDP lan...like that no need to buy already....coz by the 30th yr - if yr house is not fetching 1,926,699...then lugiloh!! So, do you think 500k will become 1.9 mio in 30 yrs time???
or live that long or not...i know i probably won't!! hehehhe

spidey
27-12-2011, 09:23 AM
No problem at all :)



Thanks for helping sggecko :)

Bro, we all know you are just being helpful!!

spidey
27-12-2011, 09:24 AM
Oh I want they faster do my car. Anyway I walked to jusco so that I can observe what they have here. Next time can try facial at e shop houses.
Now I am using mac wifi to surf forum, Hee. Still got 1.5hrs to collect my car. I had already done my pedi, hair cut , Wash and treatment Liao. Nothing nice to buy at e moment so stop by n try e wif. I am glad it works!!!

Wahhh...you really "Tai Tai" ahh...no need to work...

TrulyAsia
27-12-2011, 09:35 AM
Hi, I went to look at it. Price is reasonable and they include good kitchen cabinets and nice floor finishes. What stopped me from thinking of buying was :-

1) if it is meant for investment, the location will lose to the giant tower suites in BI
2) the pool is not big
3) the location is right inside low cost housing, and I have reserve
4) the sales person was pushy and I sensed some fishy marketing tactic. They have been marketing for more than 9 months and some units are still available. When u enquire, they will tell u that only one or two units are available due to the loan application not being approved by the previous applicant. Once u said u don't like the limited selected units, they will leave it for a day and call u the next day to tell u that they are more rejected application coming in and thus persuade u to consider and buy. I mean come on, the price is not that high and yet so many loans were rejected? I just didn't buy it.
5) the developer has yet to proved themselves on middle to high end development. So, that discounted a bit, for me.

Thats Just my opinion :-) don't smack me if my points are being irrelevant. Cheers

Thank you DREAMorACTION for sharing your observations!
(Finally somebody replied me after several postings, yes I know about the need for moderation)

I agreed with your points albeit I also bought one unit there, will be interesting to see how the first serviced apartment in Bukit Indah (opposite Giant and right beside Tesco) is managed as well as the market demand for such.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 09:36 AM
1.4 million profit in 30 years. But if the inflation is higher than 4.2, we'll still lose lol


This is how much your property value should be if the bank charge you 4.2% interest per annum and you pay RM300 maintenance fee based on property value of RM500k in order to breakeven:

Year Value
0 500000
1 524600
2 550233.2
3 576942.9944
4 604774.6002
5 633775.1334
6 663993.689
7 695481.4239
8 728291.6437
9 762479.8928
10 798104.0482
11 835224.4183
12 873903.8438
13 914207.8053
14 956204.5331
15 999965.1235
16 1045563.659
17 1093077.332
18 1142586.58
19 1194175.217
20 1247930.576
21 1303943.66
22 1362309.294
23 1423126.284
24 1486497.588
25 1552530.487
26 1621336.767
27 1693032.911
28 1767740.294
29 1845585.386
30 1926699.972

Investor
27-12-2011, 09:38 AM
Bro, we all know you are just being helpful!!

Thanks Spidey.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 09:49 AM
Yeah, I think they will do quite well, web compared to those existing suites such as embassy in JB town and the regency in molek. I personally like it being next to jusco and opposite McDonald. I will never be short of food and don't need to drive out lol. Dunno how the traffic will cope tho.

If all things work out, horizon residence could be quite prominent and light up the link road towards NI. Residents nearby will definitely benefit from it as well. All in all, the price is right for its location so I think u have a good but there. The points I highlighted are merely my personal view and I don't think that is major concerns to everyone else, especially if it's for own stay :)


Thank you DREAMorACTION for sharing your observations!
(Finally somebody replied me after several postings, yes I know about the need for moderation)

I agreed with your points albeit I also bought one unit there, will be interesting to see how the first serviced apartment in Bukit Indah (opposite Giant and right beside Tesco) is managed as well as the market demand for such.

marineblue911
27-12-2011, 10:00 AM
Hi, I have been reading (lots of reading) but realised there isn't many purchases in Setia's Bukit Indah estate. Most seem to be Horizon Hills.

Any one can enlighten me if Bukit Indah is desirable. I thought with Jusco nearby, it should be more convenient.

Thks folks!

lastresort
27-12-2011, 10:01 AM
i suppose this is georgetown, for mainland, this price is pretty expensive.

yup, it's in Penang Island and for investors looking for little down, anyways this will be the first and last post I am posting about this cause it is OT. If anyone is interested, pm me and I will provide more info or just refer you to the seller. Address is Pintasan Kenari, Sungai Ara. Price is definitely above Malaysia average, but lower than Nusajaya. =)

IskandarRocks
27-12-2011, 10:09 AM
No, I think shop houses in good location like those in Sutera have crossed the 1.5mil mark. It's for rich people to invest. I'm rich in my own definition but not rich in having so much money lol :p

Recently, some agent in Singapore was marketing shophouses in Nusajaya for around RM 850K, in a development named Nusa Sentral. I have no idea about the project or the exact location though. Wonder if anyone else has heard about this.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 10:14 AM
Im planning a road trip to Melaka after one night stay in JB next weekend, After jalan-ing in JB for awhile, I am looking to go on longer road trips, hopefully can cover most of the built up urban areas in Malaysia soon. Plan to cover Kuantan, Melaka, Perak (Ipoh), Penang, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, More Selangor districts, KK, Kuching, Alor Setar, Penang. It is so much easier to start journey on a saturday morning after a good rest on Friday night in JB. No jam no hassle. Been to some other places in Johor like Kluang, Yong Peng (im sure most have gone there).

My aim is to get to know more Malaysian major cities. =)

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 10:15 AM
I was there last weekend. The developer is country view. Google it. Their houses are going for about 400k, after discount. Built up about 2300 sqft. The location is a bit remote to me, but will have direct access to te road leading to gelang patah


Recently, some agent in Singapore was marketing shophouses in Nusajaya for around RM 850K, in a development named Nusa Sentral. I have no idea about the project or the exact location though. Wonder if anyone else has heard about this.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 10:20 AM
Bro, road trip wot get u to kk nor Kuching. Unless ur car can float on the water, but the water patrol boat will meet and greet u first, before the pirates lol. Just kidding. Air Asia has daily flights at cheap rates. Check them out :)


Im planning a road trip to Melaka after one night stay in JB next weekend, After jalan-ing in JB for awhile, I am looking to go on longer road trips, hopefully can cover most of the built up urban areas in Malaysia soon. Plan to cover Kuantan, Melaka, Perak (Ipoh), Penang, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, More Selangor districts, KK, Kuching, Alor Setar, Penang. It is so much easier to start journey on a saturday morning after a good rest on Friday night in JB. No jam no hassle. Been to some other places in Johor like Kluang, Yong Peng (im sure most have gone there).

My aim is to get to know more Malaysian major cities. =)

lastresort
27-12-2011, 10:32 AM
Hi, I went to look at it. Price is reasonable and they include good kitchen cabinets and nice floor finishes. What stopped me from thinking of buying was :-

1) if it is meant for investment, the location will lose to the giant tower suites in BI
2) the pool is not big
3) the location is right inside low cost housing, and I have reserve
4) the sales person was pushy and I sensed some fishy marketing tactic. They have been marketing for more than 9 months and some units are still available. When u enquire, they will tell u that only one or two units are available due to the loan application not being approved by the previous applicant. Once u said u don't like the limited selected units, they will leave it for a day and call u the next day to tell u that they are more rejected application coming in and thus persuade u to consider and buy. I mean come on, the price is not that high and yet so many loans were rejected? I just didn't buy it.
5) the developer has yet to proved themselves on middle to high end development. So, that discounted a bit, for me.

Thats Just my opinion :-) don't smack me if my points are being irrelevant. Cheers

Hi DREAMorACTION,

Welcome to the forum and hope you put action to find your dream soon! missed this earlier post. I met their friendly GM during expo, I think it is a good developer but they made a mistake by employing another company to do marketing. Nothing against them, in fact I am very impressed by them for being able to grow so fast. Hope this coming downturn will not affect their operations though.

Can I know the latest starting psf price for lower floor no pool view units. The last time I asked the GM, he said around 400 up. also left less than 20 units.

vincentck
27-12-2011, 10:36 AM
Hi all,

Anyone know which bank have the lowest interest rate for Malaysia property financing now?

Cheers,
PHHi PH, my package with RHB Bank gave me BLR-2.5% for whole tenure, 31 years. Best I've seen so far.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 10:45 AM
Hi, agree, not against them. They are like angels because they revived many buildings/locations, including the pandan city. They are trying to get listed hence they want to secure as much sales as possible. This unfortunately translated into some fishy marketing to me which put me off a bit. However, if I had more $$, it's a good buy at much cheaper price than other surrounding suites. It's just that I'm being picky to start off my investment journey. And for the first one, I'm buying for own stay, so being extra cautious and considering a lot of things. Once bitten twice shy, I like love bite but not this kind of monetary bites lol kidding

When I enquired, there was no ground floor. A unit at upper level (higher than 8th floor) for 1045 sqft was going for about 330 - 340 Psf, after discount.


Hi DREAMorACTION,

Welcome to the forum and hope you put action to find your dream soon! missed this earlier post. I met their friendly GM during expo, I think it is a good developer but they made a mistake by employing another company to do marketing. Nothing against them, in fact I am very impressed by them for being able to grow so fast. Hope this coming downturn will not affect their operations though.

Can I know the latest starting psf price for lower floor no pool view units. The last time I asked the GM, he said around 400 up. also left less than 20 units.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 10:54 AM
Hi, agree, not against them. They are like angels because they revived many buildings/locations, including the pandan city. They are trying to get listed hence they want to secure as much sales as possible. This unfortunately translated into some fishy marketing to me which put me off a bit. However, if I had more $$, it's a good buy at much cheaper price than other surrounding suites. It's just that I'm being picky to start off my investment journey. And for the first one, I'm buying for own stay, so being extra cautious and considering a lot of things. Once bitten twice shy, I like love bite but not this kind of monetary bites lol kidding

When I enquired, there was no ground floor. A unit at upper level (higher than 8th floor) for 1045 sqft was going for about 330 - 340 Psf, after discount.

I am surprised if they are still selling at 330-340 after discount.. do you remember who served you?

They sub their sales and marketing team to Premier Plus, so can't blame them for the service you received.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 11:05 AM
If u look at their market selling price as in those in the brochure, it's a lot higher as those are latest inflated price. When they tried to sell to me, it was based on the old price that the last buyer has secured but defaulted due to failure in obtaining loan approval. I think they are desperate enough now to secure the deals before the economy turns further south, hence the lower Psf price. All developers are biz men, and no one would offer old price except they know something is coming up that we don't. Don't recall the name of the sales person but u can call and enquire if u still can get such price. Chances are u will get it. Good luck


I am surprised if they are still selling at 330-340 after discount.. do you remember who served you?

They sub their sales and marketing team to Premier Plus, so can't blame them for the service you received.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 11:11 AM
Hi Vincent,

R u local? Did they offer 90%? Is yours the revolving package? How efficient is rhb and any hassles in applying their loan? I'm considering cimb or rhb. Thanks :)


Hi PH, my package with RHB Bank gave me BLR-2.5% for whole tenure, 31 years. Best I've seen so far.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 11:15 AM
foreigners can loan up to 90%, but very very rare, we got 90% margin too.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 11:16 AM
If u look at their market selling price as in those in the brochure, it's a lot higher as those are latest inflated price. When they tried to sell to me, it was based on the old price that the last buyer has secured but defaulted due to failure in obtaining loan approval. I think they are desperate enough now to secure the deals before the economy turns further south, hence the lower Psf price. All developers are biz men, and no one would offer old price except they know something is coming up that we don't. Don't recall the name of the sales person but u can call and enquire if u still can get such price. Chances are u will get it. Good luck

good info, thanks! We had an unpleasant time with the outsourced sales people too.

TayJC
27-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Hi all,

I am scouting for bank loan and was offered this flexi loan package. A checking account comes with this offer. Interest rate on the checking account is the same as that charge on my loan. This is fantastic as I can take advantage of compounding effect to grow my money in my checking account to pay off the loan earlier. This seems too good to be true for me. I am afraid that I might missed some important considerartions.

Can Brother and Sister offer me some advice on flexi loan?

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 11:31 AM
I'm opting for flexi package too. I know UOB and cimb does it. Based on feedback here, UOB service on loan approval is not efficient. For cimb, I asked the same question and pending reply.

To me, it's not too good to be true. It's just a concept that money in my hand is better than in yours. If u are cash rich, u can spend ur money in many ways including paying property purchase by cash. But instead of giving cash to the developer, they want ur money instead because they will have more money to invest in many other things. Banks have so many investment tools and the return can be much more than the 4.2%. So they rather have cash in their picket. That's how I try to interpret and understand the concept :-) might not be accurate but hope it helps


Hi all,

I am scouting for bank loan and was offered this flexi loan package. A checking account comes with this offer. Interest rate on the checking account is the same as that charge on my loan. This is fantastic as I can take advantage of compounding effect to grow my money in my checking account to pay off the loan earlier. This seems too good to be true for me. I am afraid that I might missed some important considerartions.

Can Brother and Sister offer me some advice on flexi loan?

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 11:36 AM
Wahhh...you really "Tai Tai" ahh...no need to work...
I wished!! But I am Lao tai tai ..... Haha. Just out fr jb nia.

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Hi PH, my package with RHB Bank gave me BLR-2.5% for whole tenure, 31 years. Best I've seen so far.
Rhb quoted me 80% loan n must buy mrta.

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 11:39 AM
If u look at their market selling price as in those in the brochure, it's a lot higher as those are latest inflated price. When they tried to sell to me, it was based on the old price that the last buyer has secured but defaulted due to failure in obtaining loan approval. I think they are desperate enough now to secure the deals before the economy turns further south, hence the lower Psf price. All developers are biz men, and no one would offer old price except they know something is coming up that we don't. Don't recall the name of the sales person but u can call and enquire if u still can get such price. Chances are u will get it. Good luck

You give me a impression that JB properties will be going south soon ? Developers are going to give out more discount and hence one should wait ?

A few developer tell me that they are going to up the prices for their new launch . For example Nusa Duta new launch for custers shall be 800K instead of current 560K , Semi D shall be 1.2M to 1.5m instead of 780K to 950K currently. Infact current houses are all fully sold .

Bro , so which is the true views ?

Aisanbo
27-12-2011, 11:40 AM
Bro, need to go to such extent??? Then what about Inflation ratelah, NPV lah, opportunity cost lah, country GDP lan...like that no need to buy already....coz by the 30th yr - if yr house is not fetching 1,926,699...then lugiloh!! So, do you think 500k will become 1.9 mio in 30 yrs time???
or live that long or not...i know i probably won't!! hehehhe

Agree loh. Remember you get to use the house for 30years.
Be it rental or for own use, there are some value derived from the house in the 30yrs.

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 11:41 AM
foreigners can loan up to 90%, but very very rare, we got 90% margin too.
Yes n I m 1 of it who got 90% loan.

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 11:44 AM
Dreamoraction
Did u think of e jam when it's too near to amenities?
For me, I prefer jam free road to reach my house if I m going to stay there everyday? Sg jam doesn't drive u crazy?

yonglip
27-12-2011, 11:48 AM
You give me a impression that JB properties will be going south soon ? Developers are going to give out more discount and hence one should wait ?

A few developer tell me that they are going to up the prices for their new launch . For example Nusa Duta new launch for custers shall be 800K instead of current 560K , Semi D shall be 1.2M to 1.5m instead of 780K to 950K currently. Infact current houses are all fully sold .

Bro , so which is the true views ?

Developers who upp price think they are potentially sitting on GOLD MINE..while developers who down price think they are potentially sitting on LAND MINE.

cheers.

crystal_tiong
27-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Hi all,

I am scouting for bank loan and was offered this flexi loan package. A checking account comes with this offer. Interest rate on the checking account is the same as that charge on my loan. This is fantastic as I can take advantage of compounding effect to grow my money in my checking account to pay off the loan earlier. This seems too good to be true for me. I am afraid that I might missed some important considerartions.

Can Brother and Sister offer me some advice on flexi loan?

If this is yr first Msia bank, then I think it's ok with e cheque facilities but they hv monthly fee.
I hv 2 banks in Msia. Cimb n hong LEONG bank. Hlb with cheque facilities but no maintenance fees as long I maintain min 1k in e acct. so I took up normal uob mortgage loan as I will prefer to remit bi monthly in sg as e remit rate is better n no admin charge if remit 10k. And Uob only hv one branch in jb which is inconvenient.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 11:51 AM
You give me a impression that JB properties will be going south soon ? Developers are going to give out more discount and hence one should wait ?

A few developer tell me that they are going to up the prices for their new launch . For example Nusa Duta new launch for custers shall be 800K instead of current 560K , Semi D shall be 1.2M to 1.5m instead of 780K to 950K currently. Infact current houses are all fully sold .

Bro , so which is the true views ?

Jason bro, I need to know when did you hear about this indicative price. Could it be planned before the latest forecast economic slowdown

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 11:57 AM
Jason bro, I need to know when did you hear about this indicative price. Could it be planned before the latest forecast economic slowdown

Just two weeks ago ... from the horse mouth.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 11:58 AM
Bro, im not an expect and im not trying to predict anything. It's just my opinion after visited almost all the developments in JB in the past 4 weeks. And some agents did tell me that increasingly, many people are unable to get loan. No loan = lesser demand = lower price soon? I'm in as great a dilemma as I'm still trying to make a call whether to buy at NI now :S

P/s: The banks used to approve loan based on gross income and your installment up to 40% of gross income. Now it's based on nett income and max 30%. The effect on sales is there already, based on what I have gathered


You give me a impression that JB properties will be going south soon ? Developers are going to give out more discount and hence one should wait ?

A few developer tell me that they are going to up the prices for their new launch . For example Nusa Duta new launch for custers shall be 800K instead of current 560K , Semi D shall be 1.2M to 1.5m instead of 780K to 950K currently. Infact current houses are all fully sold .

Bro , so which is the true views ?

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:02 PM
Yes, I did. In fact, try to see the condition on a Friday evening. The road outside giant is always bad. Can't imagine it when the suite completes. But a place with good amenities like Sutera, I won't mind whatsoever :-)


Dreamoraction
Did u think of e jam when it's too near to amenities?
For me, I prefer jam free road to reach my house if I m going to stay there everyday? Sg jam doesn't drive u crazy?

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:02 PM
My opinion is that mahabuilders is growing too rapidly, they have wholly owned subsidiaries like MB land developing Perling Heights. They want to move fast because they can't afford to hold long.

Whereas for IJM, they are top 5 in Malaysia and have the holding power. Furthermore, their main landbank is not in JB, so given this small taman, they can afford to dabble.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Agree loh. Remember you get to use the house for 30years.
Be it rental or for own use, there are some value derived from the house in the 30yrs.

If after 30 years and fully paid, i found out i can't sell for 2 million, i am willing to stay in it than to sell. But a 4 fold increase over such a long time is reasonable. =)

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:08 PM
Agree. They told me the same. They have one semi d now going for 788,888. Last unit and competing in about 6 months, if memory serves correct.

Uem also told me the same but look at the latest 2 launches, it's barely 50% sold. Yet they have the cheek to tell me that they will up the price.

Is that a tell tale sign u think?


Jason bro, I need to know when did you hear about this indicative price. Could it be planned before the latest forecast economic slowdown

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:08 PM
Just two weeks ago ... from the horse mouth.

Brother, which horse are you referring to, Premier one or maha own horse. haha

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:09 PM
Agree. They told me the same. They have one semi d now going for 788,888. Last unit and competing in about 6 months, if memory serves correct.

Uem also told me the same but look at the latest 2 launches, it's barely 50% sold. Yet they have the cheek to tell me that they will up the price.

Is that a tell tale sign u think?

Are you saying the orange color semi dee!!

now still selling old one at 788 888 but launching new one from 1.2 to 1.5!?!

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:13 PM
I think ijm is desperate too. I keep seeing them promoting at the customs for the d'ambience. They are the only one promoting at ciq now. nonetheless, can't deny the fact that they have much better holding power

Mahabuilders also planning to be listed. They are also selling d'larkin apartment. Last check 2 weeks ago, 90% sold


My opinion is that mahabuilders is growing too rapidly, they have wholly owned subsidiaries like MB land developing Perling Heights. They want to move fast because they can't afford to hold long.

Whereas for IJM, they are top 5 in Malaysia and have the holding power. Furthermore, their main landbank is not in JB, so given this small taman, they can afford to dabble.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:17 PM
Orange? Think it's grey. It's 40x80. Built up about 3000 sq ft. It's a bumi released lot.


Are you saying the orange color semi dee!!

now still selling old one at 788 888 but launching new one from 1.2 to 1.5!?!

Lord Aragorn
27-12-2011, 12:18 PM
If after 30 years and fully paid, i found out i can't sell for 2 million, i am willing to stay in it than to sell. But a 4 fold increase over such a long time is reasonable. =)

This statement is not accurate. 4 fold increase over 30 years is reasonable if we factor inflation. However, 2mil figure do not count inflation. It only counts bank interest and maintenance. Are we comparing apples with oranges here?

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:18 PM
I think ijm is desperate too. I keep seeing them promoting at the customs for the d'ambience. They are the only one promoting at ciq now. nonetheless, can't deny the fact that they have much better holding power

Mahabuilders also planning to be listed. They are also selling d'larkin apartment. Last check 2 weeks ago, 90% sold

Hmmm can't look at it this way because in my humble opinion, d'ambience is not in a popular locality. Harder to sell. Different development, different strategy.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Yeah agree. Nusa duta is more highly sought after. But I see them as desperate because they grab everyone that walk past their booth and the agents all look desperate. Haha. These agents represent the company hence I relate the "desperate-ness" to ijm :p


Hmmm can't look at it this way because in my humble opinion, d'ambience is not in a popular locality. Harder to sell. Different development, different strategy.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:22 PM
This statement is not accurate. 4 fold increase over 30 years is reasonable if we factor inflation. However, 2mil figure do not count inflation. It only counts bank interest and maintenance. Are we comparing apples with oranges here?

Brother, someone posted a Doshi Milan article before. If you have read it, that is what I was saying. =)

Diaspora
27-12-2011, 12:28 PM
Bro sggecko,

As have been pointd out by numerous bros and sisters here, you must really know what you need / want out of your property. Is it for investment or for own stay? As has been rightly pointed out by one of the bro here, Impiana at EL is an option you may want to consider. I bought a 2BR unit at mid level floor, 1,206 sq ft for about RM550k during the 1st phase launch. Mind you, UEMLand, the developer is promoting this as Resorts Apartments not condo...why..? I also don't know... :-)
NI, which is under the same developer is also a good option. And for RM550k, you can own an end lot DST with 4BR... and 2,116 sq ft !! Both are freehold. I was informed by the SA that the 10% rebate promotion will end this Sat!! That's why I am so kan cheong now...hahaha. P8 is the only precinct with DMC so far.
Feel free to contact me for more info. Cheers !


Correction:
I was informed by the SA that the 10% --> 10k rebate promotion will end this Sat!!

Thank you to Bro DreamorAction for pointing this out...:p what a difference...how I wish it was a 10% rebate....hahaha...

lastresort
27-12-2011, 12:31 PM
Correction:
I was informed by the SA that the 10% --> 10k rebate promotion will end this Sat!!

Thank you to Bro DreamorAction for pointing this out...:p what a difference...how I wish it was a 10% rebate....hahaha...

hahaha, so far, i haven't heard UEM giving such a generous christmas present.. so good that you have corrected.. hehe

yonglip
27-12-2011, 12:34 PM
Yes, I did. In fact, try to see the condition on a Friday evening. The road outside giant is always bad. Can't imagine it when the suite completes. But a place with good amenities like Sutera, I won't mind whatsoever :-)

bro. i think u are still not very familiar with the location of places there. the condos are located near the circular and therefore if coming from Sing, one does not really need to go thro the always jammed nusa bestari roads (which is the road outside giant) to get to and from the condos. As a matter of fact that road is used by people to/from Sutera Utama.

Diaspora
27-12-2011, 12:41 PM
i had in the past asked a few people who stay at unguarded landed at bukit indah whether security is a concern. To my surprise, they said its ok. no major issues. Just install basic alarm + grilles can liao. I would have assumed that being ungated and unguarded, it will naturally have more "hits". Interestingly, it is those G&G tamans that are being visited by robbers more often. One theory is that the robbers might think that those who are rich and with more cash at home would naturally like to stay in tamans that are g&g. Especially more so if they see houses armed to the teeth with security cameras, alarms, grilles, solid gates, dogs etc..tell tale signs that the bugger living within is loaded and scared of being robbed. Hence they take on the 'challenge'/risk for greater rewards.

That being the case, I may just open my gate/main door big big at night to test out the theory next time...haha

Cheers.

Bro Yonglip,
One of my colleagues just related to me how the rented BI house of one of his ex-colleague was broken into and have most of its things moved out using a lorry in broad daylight.
His neighbour in the taman noticed a few people came in a lorry to move his things and the neighbour thought my collegue's friend was moving house. Suspected nothing amiss....
My advice to him was..."Know Thy Neighbour"....
Nowadays, many hardly socialize with their neighbours. To me, one's neighbours are the closest one can get to help us to look after our house, especially, if the house is vacant during the day time...

Whathefish
27-12-2011, 12:42 PM
1.4 million profit in 30 years. But if the inflation is higher than 4.2, we'll still lose lol

Er, sggecko's figures are way off. Amortisation does not work this way.

Diaspora
27-12-2011, 12:46 PM
Hi diaspora

U mentioned ni having 10% rebate ? R u sure ? I bought last mth n promotion is 10k discount. That's a great difference!

Hi Sister Crystal,

Rightly spotted...it was 10k and not 10%...sorry for the booboo....hahaha...

Whathefish
27-12-2011, 12:48 PM
for a 500k loan at 4.2% interest rate, the interest paid over 30yrs is 380k.

Aisanbo
27-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Bro, im not an expect and im not trying to predict anything. It's just my opinion after visited almost all the developments in JB in the past 4 weeks. And some agents did tell me that increasingly, many people are unable to get loan. No loan = lesser demand = lower price soon? I'm in as great a dilemma as I'm still trying to make a call whether to buy at NI now :S

P/s: The banks used to approve loan based on gross income and your installment up to 40% of gross income. Now it's based on nett income and max 30%. The effect on sales is there already, based on what I have gathered

I think this is good that the bank are tighter when it comes to approving loan. The US property crash (and rise) happens because of the lack of control in giving out loans. People who buy JB property should therefore be able to hold on to it and less likely to a forced lelong sale.

I also note that JB price held steady during 2008-2009 where SG property crash bigtime.
It depends very much on developers price setting. Are they so desparate to make new sales next yr or can they hold on for some time? It's anybody's guess but my personal feel is that people would still buy at current price when they realize prices are not dropping...provided Iskandar story continue evolving. The tipping point of IM next year might provide support for the poor economic conditions anticipated.

pasture8
27-12-2011, 12:49 PM
If after 30 years and fully paid, i found out i can't sell for 2 million, i am willing to stay in it than to sell. But a 4 fold increase over such a long time is reasonable. =)

Agree, the mom and i intend to leave the houses to our children. If the future price is the same as current value is also good by us. The children don't have to come up with a single cent and they get to inherit a HDB flat (which must liquidate once we are gone), a free-hold landed house in nearby johor (which they can stay fully paid up or sell to reinvest...) and maybe another one in ... They have a few roofs over their heads in 3 different locations, hedge against local, regional and global reconomic forces as well as global warming,rising sea level,etc... we are not flippers.

yonglip
27-12-2011, 12:51 PM
Bro Yonglip,
One of my colleagues just related to me how the rented BI house of one of his ex-colleague was broken into and have most of its things moved out using a lorry in broad daylight.
His neighbour in the taman noticed a few people came in a lorry to move his things and the neighbour thought my collegue's friend was moving house. Suspected nothing amiss....
My advice to him was..."Know Thy Neighbour"....
Nowadays, many hardly socialize with their neighbours. To me, one's neighbours are the closest one can get to help us to look after our house, especially, if the house is vacant during the day time...

yes. the moving lorry trick. My cousin's bungalow at Palm resort (senai) also kanna the same trick sometime ago. But i tot this trick outdated liao?..nowadays, parang and direct entry seems to be the rage.

cheers.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:52 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)


Correction:
I was informed by the SA that the 10% --> 10k rebate promotion will end this Sat!!

Thank you to Bro DreamorAction for pointing this out...:p what a difference...how I wish it was a 10% rebate....hahaha...

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 12:57 PM
Hi yonglip, my statement was based on the fact from coming from woodlands. U r right. I'm familiar with the surrounding. Yes, agree that the road is jammed because of the traffic going to Sutera. Skudai highway is another murder. I like to eat in Sutera, and on Friday I always look forward to go there. BI road is the best alternative and skudai, so what to do, just join the queue lor haha. In fact on a weekend, lots of illegal parings outside jusco now. I think the problem won't be solved even with the multi stores carpark. It's just getting too vibrant which has its pros and cons. All in all, more vibrancy means more shops (and hopefully more food shops) and I'll be happily spending my $$$ lol


bro. i think u are still not very familiar with the location of places there. the condos are located near the circular and therefore if coming from Sing, one does not really need to go thro the always jammed nusa bestari roads (which is the road outside giant) to get to and from the condos. As a matter of fact that road is used by people to/from Sutera Utama.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:05 PM
Cash rich people especially international investors will try to grab and in turns hold the price, if not forcing it upwards. But we r only talking about the high end properties. For those in middle range and less than 500k, I think it will drop to suit local's appetite?? Just guessing. Yes, there was little effects in 08/09, but then the entry point/barrier was much lower then? It was 250k right?

Recently, there is no more big new excitements for nusajaya / medini? The latest was only sunway purchasing a piece of land? Hope the momentum can go on strong ......

I think this is good that the bank are tighter when it comes to approving loan. The US property crash (and rise) happens because of the lack of control in giving out loans. People who buy JB property should therefore be able to hold on to it and less likely to a forced lelong sale.

I also note that JB price held steady during 2008-2009 where SG property crash bigtime.
It depends very much on developers price setting. Are they so desparate to make new sales next yr or can they hold on for some time? It's anybody's guess but my personal feel is that people would still buy at current price when they realize prices are not dropping...provided Iskandar story continue evolving. The tipping point of IM next year might provide support for the poor economic conditions anticipated.

yonglip
27-12-2011, 01:06 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)

I suspect the DMC is the same for all tamans that practice it..the lawyers just change the development name thats all. Its just a piece of document detailing what u as the purchaser can or cannot do (a lot of clauses) and also what the vendor (i.e. the developer) should do (very little).

I specifically rem one clause inside..."purchaser shall not run around the precint naked"...haha..kidding la.

One eg. cannot use the house for illegal purpose

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:10 PM
I dont mind having the clause of "no alteration or addition without prior approval". This will maintain consistency of the precinct and no house still stand out like a sore eye.

Yah, u just cracked me up laughing out loud. I will request for that clause - No running naked but can swim in the lake naked! Muahahahhaha


I suspect the DMC is the same for all tamans that practice it..the lawyers just change the development name thats all. Its just a piece of document detailing what u as the purchaser can or cannot do (a lot of clauses) and also what the vendor (i.e. the developer) should do (very little).

I specifically rem one clause inside..."purchaser shall not run around the precint naked"...haha..kidding la.

One eg. cannot use the house for illegal purpose

pasture8
27-12-2011, 01:14 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)

Bro, have you target a particular unit in NI8B already? Intermediate or end lot or corner unit? In any case, whether now or Jan 12, let me welcome you to the neighbourhood :)

CameraMan
27-12-2011, 01:18 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)

Hi DREAMorACTION,

Foreigner can only purchae property above RM500k. Terrace at NI8B is about RM540k. If price really drop, then foreigner can't buy anymore. Hence, I suspect that UEM will not drop the price. Even if they do, it should be marginal.

Just my 2 cents thought.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:19 PM
Cash rich people especially international investors will try to grab and in turns hold the price, if not forcing it upwards. But we r only talking about the high end properties. For those in middle range and less than 500k, I think it will drop to suit local's appetite?? Just guessing. Yes, there was little effects in 08/09, but then the entry point/barrier was much lower then? It was 250k right?

Recently, there is no more big new excitements for nusajaya / medini? The latest was only sunway purchasing a piece of land? Hope the momentum can go on strong ......

The announcement in Jan. Wait for LHL and Najib announcement..

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)

Don't panic, haha. Be firm, the speculation that NI will give discount was among ourselves and it was quickly corrected. In my opinion, UEM will not be so generous, at most they will give 10k, DIBS, etc.

Anyways, these GLC have holding power and it is good for us if they sell slowly rather than keep selling and building causing oversupply. They have been selling too much earning so much from cheap land for the past few years, it's time they take it slow and lonnnng.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:28 PM
Oh, likely to be intermediate. End lot is left with those shorter version, bout 65" instead of 70 or 75. Oh u have secured one? When was it and what was the price then? Yeah, I hope to join p8b soon. Decision decision decision!

Just being nosey abit. What convinced u to buy in 8b? :)

P7a targets to complete by middle next year. If I want to move in fast, I might also consider it. Lots of intermediate in 7a and 8b left, so no hurry except the 10k promo ... Arghhhh!


Bro, have you target a particular unit in NI8B already? Intermediate or end lot or corner unit? In any case, whether now or Jan 12, let me welcome you to the neighbourhood :)

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:30 PM
I suspect the DMC is the same for all tamans that practice it..the lawyers just change the development name thats all. Its just a piece of document detailing what u as the purchaser can or cannot do (a lot of clauses) and also what the vendor (i.e. the developer) should do (very little).

I specifically rem one clause inside..."purchaser shall not run around the precint naked"...haha..kidding la.

One eg. cannot use the house for illegal purpose

Yonglip bro is full of jokes these days. Must be in good mood, I like the low crime high crime joke especially. =)

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:31 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/weijie/20111225_144729.jpg

Yonglip bro, your hotel is progressing well ^^ can enjoy your holidays there =)

pasture8
27-12-2011, 01:31 PM
the clause of "no alteration or addition without prior approval". This will maintain consistency of the precinct. ...

This is good also. I remember reading somewhere in this forum that some properties at Leisure Farm has the same criteria. Looking at Nusa Duta, some residence remove the side windows and plaster up, some extent their master bedroom belcony with various configurations. But then again this is free-hold landed living. You go to 6th avenue, simon road, st michaels road etc...in 30 years time all look different... but personally i prefer some rules to preserve the architectural coherency of the neighbourhood.

There is a new development along AMK ave 5, Luxus Hill. Looks impressive, uniform, contemporary, spacious too. But what happen when owners begin to add here, add there, alter here, alter there, remove this, remove that, change the colour and add a neo classical very orbiang column into his car porch? Vomit blood ?! :eek: So in 30 years time, all will look different. LOL ...

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:32 PM
Huh? What's I the grapevine? Share share leh :D


The announcement in Jan. Wait for LHL and Najib announcement..

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Huh? What's I the grapevine? Share share leh :D

I heard Singapore will be part of Iskandar.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Yah right. Okay. Nice try lol


I heard Singapore will be part of Iskandar.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:37 PM
Yah right. Okay. Nice try lol

I heard the developers had a close door meeting with gov officers that the new IM will include SG and KL in their master plan. Maybe it will not be all about Johor.

jasonjst
27-12-2011, 01:38 PM
Cash rich people especially international investors will try to grab and in turns hold the price, if not forcing it upwards. But we r only talking about the high end properties. For those in middle range and less than 500k, I think it will drop to suit local's appetite?? Just guessing. Yes, there was little effects in 08/09, but then the entry point/barrier was much lower then? It was 250k right?

Recently, there is no more big new excitements for nusajaya / medini? The latest was only sunway purchasing a piece of land? Hope the momentum can go on strong ......

Bro ,
I dont see big different from now to jan 12 if you are talking about NI basic unit of 550K less discount 540K . In a recession , normally the luxury segment are the one that suffer most because these houses are not a NEEDs.
For mass market 500K range , I dont think affect much, unless gov lower limit for foreigner which is very very unlikely ! From what I know prime land owners are no longer interested to built landed houses less than 500K liao . Basically they have no more land on hand within 2KM radius of Jusco BI . Like what bro yonglip say , they think they are sitting on Gold Mine , which is quite true .
Area outside of Nusajaya might feel the heat of the recession. Hence , my thinking is it depend on which location you are talking about .

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:39 PM
How about the view on the variety as the spice of life lol, inject some colors, design, and make it fun. We can have competition and award the best "innovative" idea lol


This is good also. I remember reading somewhere in this forum that some properties at Leisure
Farm has the same criteria. Looking at Nusa Duta, some residence remove the side windows and plaster up, some extent their master bedroom belcony with various configurations. But then again this is free-hold landed living. You go to 6th avenue, simon road, st michaels road etc...in 30 years time all look different... but personally i prefer some rules to preserve the architectural coherency of the neighbourhood.

There is a new development along AMK ave 5, Luxus Hill. Looks impressive, uniform, contemporary, spacious too. But what happen when owners begin to add here, add there, alter here, alter there, remove this, remove that, change the colour and add a neo classical very orbiang column into his car porch? Vomit blood ?! :eek: So in 30 years time, all will look different. LOL ...

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:39 PM
The announcement in Jan. Wait for LHL and Najib announcement..

Actually not only Mr Najib although its going to get really interesting. A few bros have shared recently on pretty good infrastructure/business developments that will be ongoing, more companies going into Iskandar area and if its really true about some of the plans, i think its good news for everyone.

As always though, buy for own stay is always my 2 cents worth. Buy 1-2 more if you want to leave for kids, etc but flipping is always dangerous. IMHO, flippers are like day trading, the risks are higher. Folks who are in it for the long haul like me prefer blue chips and i hedge in a way by having buying and keeping properties in different countries.

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:41 PM
I heard the developers had a close door meeting with gov officers that the new IM will include SG and KL in their master plan. Maybe it will not be all about Johor.

There will be some surprising news, thats for sure. :)

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Hmmm, those are valid points. Oh god, this is getting so hard. How a bout making it more interesting? How about a show of hand? Who thinks I should buy at NI now (yes now, December 2011), and who thinks I shall wait till next year.


Bro ,
I dont see big different from now to jan 12 if you are talking about NI basic unit of 550K less discount 540K . In a recession , normally the luxury segment are the one that suffer most because these houses are not a NEEDs.
For mass market 500K range , I dont think affect much, unless gov lower limit for foreigner which is very very unlikely ! From what I know prime land owners are no longer interested to built landed houses less than 500K liao . Basically they have no more land on hand within 2KM radius of Jusco BI . Like what bro yonglip say , they think they are sitting on Gold Mine , which is quite true .
Area outside of Nusajaya might feel the heat of the recession. Hence , my thinking is it depend on which location you are talking about .

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:45 PM
There will be some surprising news, thats for sure. :)

good things are definitely worth waiting!

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:45 PM
Huh... KL is in the picture now? Let me think how to associate them together .....


I heard the developers had a close door meeting with gov officers that the new IM will include SG and KL in their master plan. Maybe it will not be all about Johor.

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:46 PM
Yes, I'm shaking and contemplating what to do. I want NI but is this the entry point now or jan 12, based on speculation that they might reduce price. What's the odds? Big guess here

And darn, I was going to go to NI office, bang table and demand for 10%, now I can only bang myself haha

Btw, I didn't know about the dmc for P8. Can u share what u have gathered about the dmc? I know about he maintenance clause only. Thanks :)


Just wait and see for next year or buy? It will be an interesting year, it may get bad or it may get better. Who knows really? ;)
For me, i am here for the long haul so i am still in the buying mode. Interestingly, one learned elder who was was against too much into Malaysia recently bought a large number of properties here using cash. We influence each other in turn. Bless his soul, he always looks out for me.

pasture8
27-12-2011, 01:50 PM
Oh, likely to be intermediate. End lot is left with those shorter version, bout 65" instead of 70 or 75. Oh u have secured one? When was it and what was the price then? Yeah, I hope to join p8b soon. Decision decision decision!

Just being nosey abit. What convinced u to buy in 8b? :)

P7a targets to complete by middle next year. If I want to move in fast, I might also consider it. Lots of intermediate in 7a and 8b left, so no hurry except the 10k promo ... Arghhhh!

May i know where are the shorter version end-lots? 8/8, 8/9, 8/10, 8/11? Din realised got shorter version?...

Ours is End-lot 32' by 75'. We purchase for 539,888.

Long story... Location, Lay-out, Surrounding ambience, Developer, Pricing, which ties in with our outlook and purpose of relocating to Nusajaya eventually...

Come and join our neighbourhood. Do you cook? :)

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:51 PM
You give me a impression that JB properties will be going south soon ? Developers are going to give out more discount and hence one should wait ?

A few developer tell me that they are going to up the prices for their new launch . For example Nusa Duta new launch for custers shall be 800K instead of current 560K , Semi D shall be 1.2M to 1.5m instead of 780K to 950K currently. Infact current houses are all fully sold .

Bro , so which is the true views ?

I hope they do but from what i heard, its the same as what you have heard Jasonjst. This is as 2 bros went to ask and got same reply. One is local.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 01:53 PM
Yah bro, I'm looking for long haul too. I started late but starting young. Being the first purchase im getting myself into, I trying to assess and learn concurrently. I need to make the first purchase right to boost my confidence for subsequent journey. It has been exciting learning and visiting all these show houses and developers. I have decided my first purchase shall be in NI. Let's hope it all work out for me.

I tried to google the "big" news. No results leh?! Where did u all read the news?


Just wait and see for next year or buy? It will be an interesting year, it may get bad or it may get better. Who knows really? ;)
For me, i am here for the long haul so i am still in the buying mode. Interestingly, one learned elder who was was against too much into Malaysia recently bought a large number of properties here using cash. We influence each other in turn. Bless his soul, he always looks out for me.

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:55 PM
Bro, im not an expect and im not trying to predict anything. It's just my opinion after visited almost all the developments in JB in the past 4 weeks. And some agents did tell me that increasingly, many people are unable to get loan. No loan = lesser demand = lower price soon? I'm in as great a dilemma as I'm still trying to make a call whether to buy at NI now :S

P/s: The banks used to approve loan based on gross income and your installment up to 40% of gross income. Now it's based on nett income and max 30%. The effect on sales is there already, based on what I have gathered

Its actually their way to ensure the market stays warm enough but not too warm. There are some who did not buy with loans or those who bought with loans and then repaid them in a year or two. There are also those that may have financial issues and some agents promised them they could get a loan at certain percentage. When it didn't go through and they find themselves in a tight bind with no banks to lend them, thats when they have no choice but to pass it on.

Happened 3 years ago when someone got rid of their property (i bought a few subsale) by selling to me. Happened for 1 unit 1 year plus back when a relative bought from someone who couldn't get a loan as well. Its pretty hard not to be able to get a loan here though.

Bros who are into cars may consider banks like Ambank, HLB for car loans.

lastresort
27-12-2011, 01:57 PM
Yah bro, I'm looking for long haul too. I started late but starting young. Being the first purchase im getting myself into, I trying to assess and learn concurrently. I need to make the first purchase right to boost my confidence for subsequent journey. It has been exciting learning and visiting all these show houses and developers. I have devices my first purchase shall be in NI. Let's hope it all work out for me.

I tried to google the "big" news. No results leh?! Where did u all read the news?

Hi DreamorACTION bro/sis, are you young? I think if buying and looking long haul, you can book your unit now and secure the good unit and discount first. Nothing to lose!

whats the booking fee for NI again? i cant remember

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 01:58 PM
Recently, some agent in Singapore was marketing shophouses in Nusajaya for around RM 850K, in a development named Nusa Sentral. I have no idea about the project or the exact location though. Wonder if anyone else has heard about this.

Its very remote, accessible only via Gelang Patah but...........
It has a new road which will link it to NI easily, thus ensuring ease of access.

Its very near to the SILC area. I would consider shops there as its 3 storey.

wuqi256
27-12-2011, 02:00 PM
I was there last weekend. The developer is country view. Google it. Their houses are going for about 400k, after discount. Built up about 2300 sqft. The location is a bit remote to me, but will have direct access to te road leading to gelang patah

Yes, you are right, i didn't like the design of the houses so much but still quite ok. The shops are better. It will be far more accessible once their new roads are done u;.

DREAMorACTION
27-12-2011, 02:00 PM
It's 8/8 bro. Lot number 169401, 169525 etc. u might not see difference on the plan, but the agent told me its shorter and informed me so that I get no surprised. I prefer it longer so I'm gonna choose intermediate. Price around 470++, before 10k discount.

Cook? I can cook ... U dare to eat? Hahahah


May i know where are the shorter version end-lots? 8/8, 8/9, 8/10, 8/11? Din realised got shorter version?...

Ours is End-lot 32' by 75'. We purchase for 539,888.

Long story... Location, Lay-out, Surrounding ambience, Developer, Pricing, which ties in with our outlook and purpose of relocating to Nusajaya eventually...

Come and join our neighbourhood. Do you cook? :)