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jasonjst
26-10-2011, 10:17 AM
ur bro must be an early bird ... i bought The Coral...420k for intermediate.....20x70 only....1747 built up.... damn ex....

Wow quite ex leh ... KNN ask my bros to buy together with me during 2009 , he dont want , at that time prices for cluster house 33x70 only 400K . He waited one over year , price go up crazy , kanchiong anyhow buy , go buy The Jade because buget is only around 300K . The Jade was the nearest project that fit his pocket lor !

Sanur
26-10-2011, 10:25 AM
Yes it does.... but i heard if you do extension to the house, the termite warranty becomes void.... and yes, i intend to extend my living room =X

Hi tutucake,

If u get the main con to do extension, will they warrant it too??

SeriAustinian
26-10-2011, 10:45 AM
hey bro horrizonhills... Don't scare me lei, 1 out of 5!! jialat leow now I'll have sleepless night till mid next year sigh!!!..hahaaa...

Bro thegolf, that makes the 2 of us w sleepless nites!

Jokes aside, a friend just collected keys to his South Golf 22X70 and invited me to visit. Backed out last minute due to work commitment n recent busy schedule. The last time I asked no complaint about defects from him yet if that's any consolation.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 10:50 AM
Wow quite ex leh ... KNN ask my bros to buy together with me during 2009 , he dont want , at that time prices for cluster house 33x70 only 400K . He waited one over year , price go up crazy , kanhiong anyhow buy , go buy The Jade because buget is only around 300K . The Jade was the nearest project that fit his pocket lor !

I dont think he anyhow buy lah...the layout for the jade is quite good... plus at 350K, its quite a steal liao....

I'm the real sucker for getting a intermediate unit at 420k.... but wad to do? im the late late bird....

can only console myself by thinking, small house= less housework

tutucake
26-10-2011, 10:51 AM
Hi tutucake,

If u get the main con to do extension, will they warrant it too??

Hi Sanur,

i dont know if we can get the main con to do extension though.... cant help you on this~

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 11:20 AM
I dont think he anyhow buy lah...the layout for the jade is quite good... plus at 350K, its quite a steal liao....

I'm the real sucker for getting a intermediate unit at 420k.... but wad to do? im the late late bird....

can only console myself by thinking, small house= less housework

But I think the location is not bad right , still under construction cant really see the picture clearly / dont allow us to drive in to see leh .

tutucake
26-10-2011, 11:28 AM
But I think the location is not bad right , still under construction cant really see the picture clearly / dont allow us to drive in to see leh .

ya, to me the location is not bad...
if you ask me, i prefer that location compared to Nusa Duta/Nusa Idaman and Bestari Heights....personal preferance lah...

Sanur
26-10-2011, 11:38 AM
Hi Sanur,

i dont know if we can get the main con to do extension though.... cant help you on this~

MMMn , am just suggesting as I don have a place there

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 11:38 AM
ya, to me the location is not bad...
if you ask me, i prefer that location compared to Nusa Duta/Nusa Idaman and Bestari Heights....personal preferance lah...

What are the reasons? vs Nusa Idaman, not so big difference. But vs Nusa Duta or Bestari Height is within walking distance to Giant / Tescco / Jusco / McDonnald - supper convenient leh . Access to Tuas / Coastal High Way/ Medini , maybe Bukit Indah II got advantage.

Fook Seng
26-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Just 10m from my house in Singapore, 1 owner tore and rebuilt his house.. I can see very clearly they are using timber for the roof.. Copper piping is not corrosive proof.. Life span is around 10 years... PVC piping is not corrosive and cheaper..
So it might be a bad thing.. Anyone in forum can confirm? Of course for showing area, copper might be better for heated water..


Copper is OK even if it can corrode but it important that the piping is thick enough to last. If there is break in the piping, whether copper or PVC, you get water leakage. To repair this you have to locate the leak and tear up parts of your garden, even floor. This is not only expensive but leaves ugly repair signs.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 11:52 AM
Copper is OK even if it can corrode but it important that the piping is thick enough to last. If there is break in the piping, whether copper or PVC, you get water leakage. To repair this you have to locate the leak and tear up parts of your garden, even floor. This is not only expensive but leaves ugly repair signs.

in terms of lasting...copper pipe definitely last longer than PVC ones....regardless how thin the copper pipes are...
At what instance does a pipe breaks?

Batok Seri
26-10-2011, 12:00 PM
Yes, mayb all of u bend together to negotiate a special price for pest control.

Deepavali LOL.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 12:02 PM
What are the reasons? vs Nusa Idaman, not so big difference. But vs Nusa Duta or Bestari Height is within walking distance to Giant / Tescco / Jusco / McDonnald - supper convenient leh . Access to Tuas / Coastal High Way/ Medini , maybe Bukit Indah II got advantage.

it's really a personally preferance....i felt that the roads outside of Bestari Heights and Nusa Duta are kinda busy.... i had a headache (literally) when i was driving around that area...the shops there gives me a messy feeling.... i know its very near to tesco, jusco and all... to me in malaysia, i will still move ard by car no matter how near it is.... just walking out from my house to the security post u chuan liao...

The place where i bought, it's mostly residential... so it gives me a more peaceful feeling....its only 3 mins drive to jusco.... so its still convenient.... access to 2nd link is also very convenient...

then again... it's really personal preferance... plus a good way to console myself for getting an expensive, small and low quality house... =)

tutucake
26-10-2011, 12:03 PM
What are the reasons? vs Nusa Idaman, not so big difference. But vs Nusa Duta or Bestari Height is within walking distance to Giant / Tescco / Jusco / McDonnald - supper convenient leh . Access to Tuas / Coastal High Way/ Medini , maybe Bukit Indah II got advantage.

it's really a personally preferance....i felt that the roads outside of Bestari Heights and Nusa Duta are kinda busy.... i had a headache (literally) when i was driving around that area...the shops there gives me a messy feeling.... i know its very near to tesco, jusco and all... to me in malaysia, i will still move ard by car no matter how near it is.... just walking out from my house to the security post u chuan liao...

The place where i bought, it's mostly residential... so it gives me a more peaceful feeling....its only 3 mins drive to jusco.... so its still convenient.... access to 2nd link is also very convenient...

then again... it's really personal preferance... plus a good way to console myself for getting an expensive, small and low quality house... =)

btw, where is bukit indah 2

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 12:04 PM
in terms of lasting...copper pipe definitely last longer than PVC ones....regardless how thin the copper pipes are...
At what instance does a pipe breaks?

Quite high especially in JB where they buried the PVC under the concrete. If the wall cracks, the pipe will leak due to movement. This happen to my bro house in Gela Patah.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 12:06 PM
Quite high especially in JB where they buried the PVC under the concrete. If the wall cracks, the pipe will leak due to movement. This happen to my bro house in Gela Patah.

Siao Liao Lor.............

Can someone from other developments come out and console me by telling me their pipes are also PVC type....:o

thegolf
26-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Hi thegolf,
I'm impatiently waiting for my South Golf 24X75 to be completed next year. Seems so long! Took the plunge last Dec when they offer free club membership. Personally prefer the layout of South Golf 22X70 (staircase by the side after entering main door) but sold out due to contemplating for too long. U too?


Bro thegolf, that makes the 2 of us w sleepless nites!

Jokes aside, a friend just collected keys to his South Golf 22X70 and invited me to visit. Backed out last minute due to work commitment n recent busy schedule. The last time I asked no complaint about defects from him yet if that's any consolation.

Sorry bro, I had miss out ur first post and hope everything will be fine @ 1B9. :)

Investor
26-10-2011, 01:28 PM
I'm the real sucker for getting a intermediate unit at 420k.... but wad to do? im the late late bird....

Don't worry, I can guarantee you that by next year 2012, you'll be saying "Luckily I bought mine last year, I'm the early early bird" :)

thegolf
26-10-2011, 01:29 PM
Photo of roof installation @ Horizon Hills

2612

2613

2614

2615

2616

Now you guys don't have to guess what's above your ceiling. :)

Any comments on the steel structure of the roof ????


Hi Sanur,

now my biggest headache is the timber roof structure... i have no means to check how badly it is 'eaten' up.... and i think getting a contractor to re-do the structure using metal will be too expensive... damn pissed with SP Setia....

Guess we are fortunate here @ Horizon Hills which use steel structure for the roof :)

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 01:54 PM
Siao Liao Lor.............

Can someone from other developments come out and console me by telling me their pipes are also PVC type....:o

Dont worry , my house from Sutera also use PVC pipes , so far so good nothing happen. Like what a bros say, do good things and hope haven protect the house , ha-ha . If it want to happen , nothing we can do . Contactor can hack the wall , do a re piping if can locate the leaks , else do a totally new pipe without conceal , not too costly.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Don't worry, I can guarantee you that by next year 2012, you'll be saying "Luckily I bought mine last year, I'm the early early bird" :)

Ya... But not early enuff... else I would definitely be a proud owner of my dream development, horizon hills...

Thanx dude~

yonglip
26-10-2011, 02:15 PM
Metal roofing with steel frames normally has a layer of radiant barrier (the silver colour foil material you see in between the steel roof structure) for reduction of radiant heat. Thus no issue with metal conducting heat into the bulding. The primary reason for using metal is durability.

Cheers.

tutucake
26-10-2011, 02:16 PM
Dont worry , my house from Sutera also use PVC pipes , so far so good nothing happen. Like what a bros say, do good things and hope haven protect the house , ha-ha . If it want to happen , nothing we can do . Contactor can hack the wall , do a re piping if can locate the leaks , else do a totally new pipe without conceal , not too costly.

If it will break... It better break within the 3yrs warranty...I cannOt imagine the hassle my family will suffer if we already shift in... Let's keep our fingers crossed

yonglip
26-10-2011, 02:17 PM
Did my MACS with wife at Jusco today. Passport ALONE suffice.

Thanks to bros here for pointing the way.

Cheers.

ginfreely
26-10-2011, 02:21 PM
Well I dare say Tanah Sutera (Capital Land JV) is quite responsible. After got my house for 3 years already and have no complain on cracks, leakages. We were surprised when they come and upgrade/ waterproofing our toilets drainage system last month for free! They say that this is to prevent future water leakage and it supposed to last 40 to 50 years! Now this is how the work is carried out over the weekend for 4 days. First they hack away loose concrete around the drainage hole. Next the apply a few coats of black water proofing compound (take a few days between coats to dry). Lastly they plug the pipe with a small ball, filled the toilet with water about 1-2 inch of water. Next day the supervisor and owner inspect the toilet for any sign of leakage. (If water is drained off mean waterproofing is not working). All 3 toilets upstair , they say cost about 500 buck a toilet to do the job , all for free.

Wow I am impressed, your developer really got standard! Eh it is Keppel Land JV, not Capitaland lah.

cleyeo
26-10-2011, 02:22 PM
Did my MACS with wife at Jusco today. Passport ALONE suffice.

Thanks to bros here for pointing the way.

Cheers.

I was at Jusco too today around 2 PM. Car park was full !!! I parked at the road side !
Did you see the progress of your house ?. For the opposite of your unit, they are putting tiles for its car port now !!

yonglip
26-10-2011, 02:26 PM
eh bro...i was there also around 3+..i too parked at the road side. one thing good about M'sia...when i parked at roadside..i dont feel any stress at all..hahaha. the TGV cinema progressing nicely..and its huge..cant wait for its opening man!

seems you are more excited than me about the development bro. haha.

cheers.

aangsc
26-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Hi everyone,

Does yOur property comes with termite warranty???

HH has termite treatment during building stage and it has a anti-termite during the defect warranty period. These terms wasn't stated anywhere but when I inquired with maintenance office, that was what they told me. Anyway, when I approach pest control they said if you see normal ants around, unlikely to have termite infestation, i have too many normal ants around in my HH place, hurray !

thegolf
26-10-2011, 02:38 PM
Was viewing and inquire about purchase of EC in sg, due to the new rules of those who currently have hdb and overseas property are not eligible to apply but the agent said they can appeal on my behalf and the chance are very high!!!

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 02:44 PM
Metal roofing with steel frames normally has a layer of radiant barrier (the silver colour foil material you see in between the steel roof structure) for reduction of radiant heat. Thus no issue with metal conducting heat into the bulding. The primary reason for using metal is durability.

Cheers.

not necessary metal roof last longer vs roof titles . Both got its pro and con . maybe in near future we have stainless steel sheets for roofing , last a life time. !

lastresort
26-10-2011, 03:15 PM
Wow I am impressed, your developer really got standard! Eh it is Keppel Land JV, not Capitaland lah.

Tanah Sutera is a JV between "Keppel Land", "Capitaland", "Lee Rubber Co", "Pelangi Berhad" and "Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera (Armed Forces Fund Board)". Land was owned by Lee Plantation. About 1300 acres with a big portion still left undeveloped.

That is why you can find OCBC branch at Sutera and OCBC bankers are very willing to offer loan for this development.

Other GLC presence in JB:

Capitaland also has a approx 20% share of UM land (not UEM). That is why it's subsidiary Ascott managed to secure the management of the new serviced apartment at Puteri Habour.

City Square owned by GIC real estate.

lastresort
26-10-2011, 03:16 PM
subsidiary awarded management to another subsidiary.

lastresort
26-10-2011, 03:22 PM
There is Sunway Development in Malaysia, a top quality developer whom was bought over by UEM recently. Any development is bound to have defects and I was believe in luck, whether you are lucky to have a good unit or not. Just like a brand new car, even Mercedes have its flaws too.

just a correction, UEM bought over Sunrise. Sunway is another big conglo in which Singapore's GIC has a share. But last I heard GIC sold its share. GIC brought it back from 1997 crisis as it was almost bankrupted. It owns sunway college, sunway lagoon, sunway pyramid, sunway golf and country club, also was in the lime light recently as it almost merged with Suncity another developer. :)

lastresort
26-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Lee Family has a controlling stake in OCBC. It is one of the biggest land owner in Malaysia. I also have seen a confidential map showing all the land price transaction, you will be surprised much of the Nusajaya land was acquired for less than 50 sens psf, but now can fetch up to RM 200 psf in certain areas. a 400 times difference. Pelangi Berhad a local developer is now no longer part of the Tanah Sutera consortium.

maxpark
26-10-2011, 03:34 PM
HH has termite treatment during building stage and it has a anti-termite during the defect warranty period. These terms wasn't stated anywhere but when I inquired with maintenance office, that was what they told me. Anyway, when I approach pest control they said if you see normal ants around, unlikely to have termite infestation, i have too many normal ants around in my HH place, hurray !


I've heard that one too... so must be true... :)

ODYSSEY
26-10-2011, 03:35 PM
Anybody did their housing loan with OCBC? How's their service and bank rate?

ODYSSEY
26-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Looking to buy a link house at HH after reading so much about the place - anyone selling?

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Tanah Sutera is a JV between "Keppel Land", "Capitaland", "Lee Rubber Co", "Pelangi Berhad" and "Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera (Armed Forces Fund Board)". Land was owned by Lee Plantation. About 1300 acres with a big portion still left undeveloped.

That is why you can find OCBC branch at Sutera and OCBC bankers are very willing to offer loan for this development.

Other GLC presence in JB:

Capitaland also has a approx 20% share of UM land (not UEM). That is why it's subsidiary Ascott managed to secure the management of the new serviced apartment at Puteri Habour.

City Square owned by GIC real estate.

Wow I can see that you are really keen about properties and investment in Malaysia ...
How do you compare such JV with our GICs vs the all Malaysian GICs . In term of value , quality , chances of sucess ,any differances ? So far I can see they are quite good in term of quality . Look at Sutera Mall , it is one of the best in JB dispite the so so location. Their shophouses is very well layout , look very neat vs those at Bestari / Indah area. Biz there are good dispite the so so location. I miss big time to buy their shophouses when it was 800K , now they wanted 2.5M for those near the mall / front rows. Ended up bought one at Bestari , biz fark even though the location is supposed to be better. :(

arsenal
26-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Lee Family has a controlling stake in OCBC. It is one of the biggest land owner in Malaysia. I also have seen a confidential map showing all the land price transaction, you will be surprised much of the Nusajaya land was acquired for less than 50 sens psf, but now can fetch up to RM 200 psf in certain areas. a 400 times difference. Pelangi Berhad a local developer is now no longer part of the Tanah Sutera consortium.

Lee family related to our LKY?

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 03:46 PM
Lee Family has a controlling stake in OCBC. It is one of the biggest land owner in Malaysia. I also have seen a confidential map showing all the land price transaction, you will be surprised much of the Nusajaya land was acquired for less than 50 sens psf, but now can fetch up to RM 200 psf in certain areas. a 400 times difference. Pelangi Berhad a local developer is now no longer part of the Tanah Sutera consortium.

Wow 50cts sell for 200psf ! no wonder we are getting poorer, the rich get richer !:mad:

lastresort
26-10-2011, 03:47 PM
Lee Family has a controlling stake in OCBC. It is one of the biggest land owner in Malaysia. I also have seen a confidential map showing all the land price transaction, you will be surprised much of the Nusajaya land was acquired for less than 50 sens psf, but now can fetch up to RM 200 psf in certain areas. a 400 times difference. Pelangi Berhad a local developer is now no longer part of the Tanah Sutera consortium.

Anyways, i was refering to the less famous Lee Rubber Lee family, not the Lee Dynasty Lee Family.

Many locals in the early days bought into Tanah Sutera because of Pelangi Berhad's good reputation. The entire Tanah Sutera development is a well planned one, from the mall to the commercial and residential area. It still is and has remained one of the favourite local community towns. Singaporeans who vested in the early days had faith in Kep, Cap and Lee Rubber.

Now Malaysia Gov fund PNB has acquired Pelangi Berhad, merged it with other acquired developer, namely Petaling Garden, Island and Peninsular into one big useless government linked developer.

lastresort
26-10-2011, 04:10 PM
Wow I can see that you are really keen about properties and investment in Malaysia ...
How do you compare such JV with our GICs vs the all Malaysian GICs . In term of value , quality , chances of sucess ,any differances ? So far I can see they are quite good in term of quality . Look at Sutera Mall , it is one of the best in JB dispite the so so location. Their shophouses is very well layout , look very neat vs those at Bestari / Indah area. Biz there are good dispite the so so location. I miss big time to buy their shophouses when it was 800K , now they wanted 2.5M for those near the mall / front rows. Ended up bought one at Bestari , biz fark even though the location is supposed to be better. :(

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mobile/business/article/uem-aims-for-a-malaysian-capitaland-with-sunrise-takeover/

UEM aims to become the Malaysian's Capitaland.

The way I see it, UEM is trying to become like Capitaland. Setia is more like Far East Organisation.

The all Malaysian GLCs now are very much different from the past Mahathir led GLCs. The Khazanah group is now better managed. So things can become much better.

But there is a big advantage for them. How they even tendered to become the master developer of Nusajaya is still unknown. So they are able to clinch contracts from the government and sub contract out (they call it Ali BABA). They JV with UM land, Gamuda Land, Temasek, sold a big portion to the middle easterns (Medini). In Singapore, Capitaland, Keppel Land or any other GLC developer has to bid for land openly and fairly.

Another big advantage for being the master developer, UEM can do lots of land planning, it advice where to build a new coastal highway that will benefit it's own development all using tax payer's money to fund the project. :) This is just one example.

They had also converted some leasehold development in Danga Bay to freehold, so easy to approve meh?

Sutera development is well managed because we know Cap and Kep are experts. Not just in residential area, but the MALL too! They have done very well in management and layout of shoplots. I agree too, they are able to turn a wet swamp land and plantation in a so so area around.

I think UEM is slowly gaining experience and expertise since taking over sunrise. They have less to lose.

Hard to answer your question leh, because things are changing! Last time where got Iskandar Malaysia! :D

lastresort
26-10-2011, 04:19 PM
Lee family related to our LKY?

Lee Kong Chian!

His wealth is unknown, but to say it is many times more than the Ng Teng Fong family is an understatement.

LeMans2011
26-10-2011, 04:26 PM
Lee Kong Chian!

His wealth is unknown, but to say it is many times more than the Ng Teng Fong family is an understatement.

err... overstatement you mean?
The Lee group in Malaysia has the same parents as the OCBC Lees in SG

LeMans2011
26-10-2011, 04:34 PM
I thought nowadays everybody use PVC pipes... dint know people still use copper pipes... but i'm pretty sure PVC is fine.
I used to own an old HDB flat in SG and the metal pipes corroded like hell, causing seepage between floors.

As for termites, i would imagine developers do a treatment before building on new grounds. We had a lot of argument in SG on termites. Termites attacked some of the ground floor units in an FEO condo and there were many theories put forward by the developer:
1) The ground was treated for termites, but termites could bore a hole from neighbouring land parcel into your existing ground
2) There are diff types of termites.. there are those that could fly hence infesting a treated ground.

I said to them: BULLSHIT ! The ground was not treated... or not properly treated - the company that certified the treatment colluded with main con / developer so that costs were kept to minimum !

Investor
26-10-2011, 04:40 PM
Lee Family has a controlling stake in OCBC. It is one of the biggest land owner in Malaysia. I also have seen a confidential map showing all the land price transaction, you will be surprised much of the Nusajaya land was acquired for less than 50 sens psf, but now can fetch up to RM 200 psf in certain areas. a 400 times difference. Pelangi Berhad a local developer is now no longer part of the Tanah Sutera consortium.

No wonder you are interested in undervalued land in Iskandar.
At just 23 yrs old, your hard work in your research on property investment has already yielded more knowledge than many of the novice investors whom already made it to be entry-level millionaires from properties. Your challenge now is how you can draft out a plan to get capital in order to turn your knowledge into action. (eg. one of my friend, having no money, convinced a few rich investors with his biz plan and they came out with SGD1 mil for him to set up that biz)

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 05:04 PM
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mobile/business/article/uem-aims-for-a-malaysian-capitaland-with-sunrise-takeover/

UEM aims to become the Malaysian's Capitaland.

The way I see it, UEM is trying to become like Capitaland. Setia is more like Far East Organisation.

The all Malaysian GLCs now are very much different from the past Mahathir led GLCs. The Khazanah group is now better managed. So things can become much better.

But there is a big advantage for them. How they even tendered to become the master developer of Nusajaya is still unknown. So they are able to clinch contracts from the government and sub contract out (they call it Ali BABA). They JV with UM land, Gamuda Land, Temasek, sold a big portion to the middle easterns (Medini). In Singapore, Capitaland, Keppel Land or any other GLC developer has to bid for land openly and fairly.

Another big advantage for being the master developer, UEM can do lots of land planning, it advice where to build a new coastal highway that will benefit it's own development all using tax payer's money to fund the project. :) This is just one example.

They had also converted some leasehold development in Danga Bay to freehold, so easy to approve meh?

Sutera development is well managed because we know Cap and Kep are experts. Not just in residential area, but the MALL too! They have done very well in management and layout of shoplots. I agree too, they are able to turn a wet swamp land and plantation in a so so area around.

I think UEM is slowly gaining experience and expertise since taking over sunrise. They have less to lose.

Hard to answer your question leh, because things are changing! Last time where got Iskandar Malaysia! :D

Great ! No wonder all the highway entry/exit point all so near to UEM / Setia development.

jasonjst
26-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Was viewing and inquire about purchase of EC in sg, due to the new rules of those who currently have hdb and overseas property are not eligible to apply but the agent said they can appeal on my behalf and the chance are very high!!!

What is market price like now ? Waiting for it to come down leh , it hurt the pocket to buy now.

cockcansing
27-10-2011, 12:40 AM
Bro, sorry I took a while to find the nos. I vaguely remember liao as I used their service once before renting out.
I believe it is on FB now.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/TSCS/109028512503011?sk=info

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Thanks Bro Aangsc

thegolf
27-10-2011, 01:07 AM
What is market price like now ? Waiting for it to come down leh , it hurt the pocket to buy now.

Blossom Residences EC @ Segar, 1055 sqft their price range is between $720 to $780. Guess the agent wanted to try his luck on appeal to close the deal :rolleyes:

tutucake
27-10-2011, 02:03 AM
I thought nowadays everybody use PVC pipes... dint know people still use copper pipes... but i'm pretty sure PVC is fine.
I used to own an old HDB flat in SG and the metal pipes corroded like hell, causing seepage between floors.

As for termites, i would imagine developers do a treatment before building on new grounds. We had a lot of argument in SG on termites. Termites attacked some of the ground floor units in an FEO condo and there were many theories put forward by the developer:
1) The ground was treated for termites, but termites could bore a hole from neighbouring land parcel into your existing ground
2) There are diff types of termites.. there are those that could fly hence infesting a treated ground.

I said to them: BULLSHIT ! The ground was not treated... or not properly treated - the company that certified the treatment colluded with main con / developer so that costs were kept to minimum !

Thanx for the reassurance bro lemans....

ODYSSEY
27-10-2011, 02:03 AM
Did my MACS with wife at Jusco today. Passport ALONE suffice.

Thanks to bros here for pointing the way.

Cheers.

You mean we can get the MACS done at Jusco Bukit Indah, besides 2nd Link or Causeway?

crystal_tiong
27-10-2011, 03:33 AM
Blossom Residences EC @ Segar, 1055 sqft their price range is between $720 to $780. Guess the agent wanted to try his luck on appeal to close the deal :rolleyes:

this is new to me , didnt know can appeal ....
maybe applies to EC but not hdb ...

SeriAustinian
27-10-2011, 03:42 AM
Looking to buy a link house at HH after reading so much about the place - anyone selling?

Hi Odyssey,

Seems like majority of the HH owners here are either buying for own stay or long term investment. Besides iproperty.com.my, u may wanna try out thinkproperty.com.my and type in "Horizon Hills"? Returns quite a few listings and some are new units. All the best in your house-hunting!

ShawnLow
27-10-2011, 03:50 AM
Hi Odyssey,

Seems like majority of the HH owners here are either buying for own stay or long term investment. Besides iproperty.com.my, u may wanna try out thinkproperty.com.my and type in "Horizon Hills"? Returns quite a few listings and some are new units. All the best in your house-hunting!

U may also try tophills.com.my inside there u can search the property. Happy buying~

LeMans2011
27-10-2011, 04:02 AM
Hmmm.... i thought govt dept sticks by the rule... i have never heard of a case whereby appeal for an exception gets approved

cockcansing
27-10-2011, 04:12 AM
eh bro...i was there also around 3+..i too parked at the road side. one thing good about M'sia...when i parked at roadside..i dont feel any stress at all..hahaha. the TGV cinema progressing nicely..and its huge..cant wait for its opening man!

seems you are more excited than me about the development bro. haha.

cheers.

Well a cenima will make it more convienent as I usually goes to KSL or Tebrau city to catch a movie with the family. Nice to know. Thanks

Cheers

cockcansing
27-10-2011, 04:16 AM
not necessary metal roof last longer vs roof titles . Both got its pro and con . maybe in near future we have stainless steel sheets for roofing , last a life time. !

Nowaday the compound mixed in stainless steel are not really stainless steel material. It will rust but at a slower pace. Haha

geritan
27-10-2011, 04:30 AM
Hi aangsc,

Thanks for the info. Will contact them to clean up my house.

thegolf
27-10-2011, 04:36 AM
this is new to me , didnt know can appeal ....
maybe applies to EC but not hdb ...

Was told can be appeal only those who had purchase overseas property before the new ruling kicks in and not after, if cannot appeal the agent of the EC would not have suggested in the first place, but that was before the Increase of Income Ceiling from $10,000 to $12,000. As for now I don't know.

cathylmg
27-10-2011, 05:10 AM
Siao Liao Lor.............

Can someone from other developments come out and console me by telling me their pipes are also PVC type....:o

The pipes of my mums house in Simei was also PVC if there is any consolations to you. It had been for 15 odd years before being sold off. No problem leh.... :D

Relax lah...take things as it comes, one at a time...don't be kancheong dai xin? :D

Termites are everywhere in JB. Branded or not branded estates its all the same because most new estates are build up from either palm tree or virgin land which are termite's natural habitats. Depends on how you manage the problem. Maybe you can look back the pages on our previous discussion about termites...

Last of all, no estate is as perfect as we would have wanted them to be. I'm sure that after having paid so much everyone of us would have wanted our house to be in tip top conditions. But then again, maybe we should focus more on the positive side of things. Then our journey as well as our destination would be a more pleasant experience instead. ;)

cathylmg
27-10-2011, 05:26 AM
it's really a personally preferance....i felt that the roads outside of Bestari Heights and Nusa Duta are kinda busy.... i had a headache (literally) when i was driving around that area...the shops there gives me a messy feeling.... i know its very near to tesco, jusco and all... to me in malaysia, i will still move ard by car no matter how near it is.... just walking out from my house to the security post u chuan liao...

The place where i bought, it's mostly residential... so it gives me a more peaceful feeling....its only 3 mins drive to jusco.... so its still convenient.... access to 2nd link is also very convenient...

then again... it's really personal preferance... plus a good way to console myself for getting an expensive, small and low quality house... =)

btw, where is bukit indah 2

Sometimes I feel although we have a choice, where we live, how we live, in a particular time frame, is more or less predestinated. For me, my hubby had been wanting to migrate after we first got married. Wanting to sell the hdb, wanting to go to Australia, wanting to get out of here......It was I who had been stopping him again and again due to my own reasons.

Alas we fell in love with Setia Tropika and it was love at first sight. Once we saw it, although still goes shopping around, nothing else could match up to it. Looks like fate is the one playing its trick on us. ;)

So if you have paid for the house, its fated that you own this piece of land. You deserve this space of yours. Just enjoy the positive side of it as well as it last. Who know fate might decide that you deserve a bigger, better place later on in live? :)

Three Cheers to Living in JB! :)

cathylmg
27-10-2011, 05:30 AM
Did my MACS with wife at Jusco today. Passport ALONE suffice.

Thanks to bros here for pointing the way.

Cheers.

We went to Woodland custom to do the MAC for my children but was still have 2 yrs validity requirement. I wonder whether Tuas custom has the 13 months passport validity promotion?

ODYSSEY
27-10-2011, 06:06 AM
Hi Odyssey,

Seems like majority of the HH owners here are either buying for own stay or long term investment. Besides iproperty.com.my, u may wanna try out thinkproperty.com.my and type in "Horizon Hills"? Returns quite a few listings and some are new units. All the best in your house-hunting!

Thanks for the referral and best wishes. Havent tried thinkproperty yet.

ODYSSEY
27-10-2011, 06:17 AM
U may also try tophills.com.my inside there u can search the property. Happy buying~

Thanks ShawnLow. Tried them but they take quite some time to return msg - or maybe I m impatient haha.

spidey
27-10-2011, 06:17 AM
U may also try tophills.com.my inside there u can search the property. Happy buying~

Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

ODYSSEY
27-10-2011, 06:25 AM
Alas we fell in love with Setia Tropika and it was love at first sight. Once we saw it, although still goes shopping around, nothing else could match up to it. Looks like fate is the one playing its trick on us. ;)


So very true wat u said - I experienced that when we bought our present place in SG. It was love at first sight too! Then u will kno u hv made the right choice!

LeMans2011
27-10-2011, 07:54 AM
Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

Din't expect market to be that crazy... i was at Nusa Idaman Phase 7 launch just 2 or 3 months back... there was still end lot going for slightly above 500k (ie with corner land, though not huge)

My landlord (i stay in NI Phase 2 corner terrace) selling his house... you interested?

cathylmg
27-10-2011, 08:01 AM
Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

I think there is 1 unit on sales at iproperty.com.my Intermediate lot. Caryota Tropic at Setia Tropika. Area 2280 sqft. Renovated. come with aircon, water heaters, etc... Asking price $548K. Proberly you can bargain it down. No harm trying. ;)

euphony
27-10-2011, 08:18 AM
I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

Erm, I think its adda heights :)
yah, I think the past months since june things hot up a lot. I am very very thankful to have snatched up a place before everything shot up to the heavens.
Looks like Setia Cascadia is looking up for you. U can discuss this with asianbo, I think he's also very interested in the project too!

euphony
27-10-2011, 08:37 AM
after months of looking around for good furniture, I have come to a dead end really. Seems like the really nice modern contemporary designs are shipped direct to SG. I cannot find something here that is both aesthetically pleasing with quality for any price at all. The shops in JB mostly thinks modern contemporary is lux and opulence. So I went back to SG to hunt around. Lots of choices though the prices seem to stretch from dear to costing an arm and a leg + an organ in places like proof living, XZQT, space.

Anyway found something at koda (http://www.kodaonline.com/contactus.php), the built quality looks great and design is finally the modern contemporary minimalism I was looking for and the company is apparently one of the few in the Singapore furniture Association of some sort. For those who are interested there is a warehouse sale going on, there is 1 walnut table going for $290!!! very sleek and nicely grained though the edge is a tiny bit banged up, if you can live with it, it is a STEAL!!! When you get there go to the showroom to look for help otherwise, just go upstairs and act like you looked lost, a pretty girl :D will come to your aid.

If any of you would like what you see and bought stuff too we can share the shipment to JB to reduce cost since currently, I only ordered a table. Am in no hurry at the moment, my timeline is just before Christmas so its back to eating on the kitchen counter-top for now haha :(

Aisanbo
27-10-2011, 09:08 AM
Erm, I think its adda heights :)
yah, I think the past months since june things hot up a lot. I am very very thankful to have snatched up a place before everything shot up to the heavens.
Looks like Setia Cascadia is looking up for you. U can discuss this with asianbo, I think he's also very interested in the project too!

Right....I had also booked the 501k terrace but still considering because also had confirmed a condo at sky garden residences. If I dropped out cascadia, then there'll be an available lot for you loh.
Actually nearly cancelled but the sales agent warned that the small unit would be easily snapped up if I drop.
Depends on luck also.... my sky garden Unit also just nice someone else cancelled booking and I just happen to be there. If not, all sold out already and left bumi units.

euphony
27-10-2011, 09:18 AM
Right....I had also booked the 501k terrace but still considering because also had confirmed a condo at sky garden residences. If I dropped out cascadia, then there'll be an available lot for you loh.
Actually nearly cancelled but the sales agent warned that the small unit would be easily snapped up if I drop.
Depends on luck also.... my sky garden Unit also just nice someone else cancelled booking and I just happen to be there. If not, all sold out already and left bumi units.

so which one is going to be your living abode and which one as investment?

aangsc
27-10-2011, 09:24 AM
Right....I had also booked the 501k terrace but still considering because also had confirmed a condo at sky garden residences. If I dropped out cascadia, then there'll be an available lot for you loh.
Actually nearly cancelled but the sales agent warned that the small unit would be easily snapped up if I drop.
Depends on luck also.... my sky garden Unit also just nice someone else cancelled booking and I just happen to be there. If not, all sold out already and left bumi units.

Do you have more detail about Cascadia to share ? How big the project, how many terrace , semi-d , etc.
The website is nice showing lot of nature but I am still suspicious how far reality is from story-telling .
Any idea how long is driving distance and time to Tuas ? Not sure if I want to make a trip to see but would like to hear some feedback first . Anyone who has done a feasibility study of project please share. Thanks.

glitters
27-10-2011, 09:34 AM
Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

Hey bro,

Try Scientex, cluster at 5XXk(35x65) with 30K discount for 1st 25 person whom placed booking.

Regards,
glitters

Aisanbo
27-10-2011, 09:35 AM
so which one is going to be your living abode and which one as investment?

Both intend to rent out. On off I can treat as holiday home if not rented out.
Maybe in 15yrs time can really retire in one of them and rent out the other, and the Sg home.
The other theory is to buy only in 15 years time.
I guess I feel good to invest now and dun mind to retire in a older property....can still renovate interior to a comfortable level. Further, I can loan now but may not be able to loan later.
I also think in 15 yrs time, new projects may be in further location? I mean people always say Johor got plenty of land to build house but the land near a city area is limited. In future, we may only be able to afford area in senai or beyond....

Aisanbo
27-10-2011, 09:36 AM
Do you have more detail about Cascadia to share ? How big the project, how many terrace , semi-d , etc.
The website is nice showing lot of nature but I am still suspicious how far reality is from story-telling .
Any idea how long is driving distance and time to Tuas ? Not sure if I want to make a trip to see but would like to hear some feedback first . Anyone who has done a feasibility study of project please share. Thanks.

If you are a tuas person, dun go for cascadia.
Cascadia is nearer to woodlands causeway especially when the EDL is ready next year.

Sales ppt slides. Hope the link works.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23293145/SEC%20slide%20show%2015-07-2011.pdf

Jogs1
27-10-2011, 09:38 AM
[QUOTE=euphony;

hmmm i think at this point i sound like a sales rep! :D well that was because when i was first deciding LF, I met this lady sales rep whom i took my hats off. We were chatting about everything for a bit after i signed the first commitment letter. We sat next to the pond and talked about everything under the sky, she told me about her past sales experience, how she had to help residents with the weirdest demands, picking up english and communicating with foreigners of different 'tongues'. For those taking about foreigners, you should visit any bungalow precincts and you'd be surprised if it was a caucasian country :) just sitting there, we chatted for 4 hours. Normally, a sales rep would have chucked me out after making the business. [/QUOTE]

I think I know where is the bungalow precinct, issit beside bayou creek? Yup, the beautiful houses there are so looks alike in Caucasian country.. At the moment I was thought I'm in overseas:)

spidey
27-10-2011, 09:42 AM
Erm, I think its adda heights :)
yah, I think the past months since june things hot up a lot. I am very very thankful to have snatched up a place before everything shot up to the heavens.
Looks like Setia Cascadia is looking up for you. U can discuss this with asianbo, I think he's also very interested in the project too!

on the wait list leh bro....not sure if there is any ppl who will pull out....but only intermediate available...501k and the smallest one too..but no land at the side...:-((

Jogs1
27-10-2011, 09:49 AM
Hi Sanur, may I know how much u pay for LF in house maintenance cleaning service? Thanks.

spidey
27-10-2011, 09:49 AM
Both intend to rent out. On off I can treat as holiday home if not rented out.
Maybe in 15yrs time can really retire in one of them and rent out the other, and the Sg home.
The other theory is to buy only in 15 years time.
I guess I feel good to invest now and dun mind to retire in a older property....can still renovate interior to a comfortable level. Further, I can loan now but may not be able to loan later.
I also think in 15 yrs time, new projects may be in further location? I mean people always say Johor got plenty of land to build house but the land near a city area is limited. In future, we may only be able to afford area in senai or beyond....

wah you, like me leh...intend to rent out - but you gung ho then me coz you looking at 2 properties...i just want one for retirement....:-))
and me looking house with land so that when i grow old can sit back and relax with a little gardening and BBQ at the side of the house and grazing the stars with my loved one...:-))) goodleh...but heck so difficult to find something in the 500k region...i mean literally 500k....

I know some bros recommended me 550k and something, but really, my budget is really tight...probbaly can go max 510k...looks like i may have missed the boat....
that's why the cascadia one 501k - i put in a booking...though no land at the side....hhhmmmmm...

euphony
27-10-2011, 09:56 AM
The other theory is to buy only in 15 years time.
I guess I feel good to invest now and dun mind to retire in a older property....can still renovate interior to a comfortable level. Further, I can loan now but may not be able to loan later.
I also think in 15 yrs time, new projects may be in further location? I mean people always say Johor got plenty of land to build house but the land near a city area is limited. In future, we may only be able to afford area in senai or beyond....

concurs with your views too.

spidey
27-10-2011, 09:57 AM
Do you have more detail about Cascadia to share ? How big the project, how many terrace , semi-d , etc.
The website is nice showing lot of nature but I am still suspicious how far reality is from story-telling .
Any idea how long is driving distance and time to Tuas ? Not sure if I want to make a trip to see but would like to hear some feedback first . Anyone who has done a feasibility study of project please share. Thanks.

Cascadia have a few design and types - double storey from 2100 sq ft to - 2500 sq ft and semi-ds....it's quite a big development....
I don't know in future it will look like, but now the only water flowing is mud water ...all brown in color...hahahha!!
I think it will be a nice place once it is all done up....

the only gripe i have is no land at the side...no budget!! nia..:-(

also, to get into the area, a lot of turning here and there...i don't particularly like this too....but it's a matured area with lots of shops and amenities - so I believe it is very easy to rent out...! that the advantage here...

euphony
27-10-2011, 09:59 AM
I think I know where is the bungalow precinct, issit beside bayou creek? Yup, the beautiful houses there are so looks alike in Caucasian country.. At the moment I was thought I'm in overseas:)

yeh, that one, polo view, victoria meadows, merbok spring etc. :)

crystal_tiong
27-10-2011, 10:07 AM
Hey guys

can anyone advise the direction of the main door facing to avoid the afternoon sun ?
But also not too dim in the house .
Wan to prepare myself first then smoke by the sales ppl.

Thanks

checkers
27-10-2011, 10:13 AM
If you are a tuas person, dun go for cascadia.
Cascadia is nearer to woodlands causeway especially when the EDL is ready next year.

Sales ppt slides. Hope the link works.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23293145/SEC%20slide%20show%2015-07-2011.pdf

Go for Cascadia if you are confident in Setia properties and workmanship. :)

ODYSSEY
27-10-2011, 10:16 AM
"can anyone advise the direction of the main door facing to avoid the afternoon sun ?"

Just dont face WEST.

toyohon
27-10-2011, 10:32 AM
Cascadia have a few design and types - double storey from 2100 sq ft to - 2500 sq ft and semi-ds....it's quite a big development....
I don't know in future it will look like, but now the only water flowing is mud water ...all brown in color...hahahha!!
I think it will be a nice place once it is all done up....

the only gripe i have is no land at the side...no budget!! nia..:-(

also, to get into the area, a lot of turning here and there...i don't particularly like this too....but it's a matured area with lots of shops and amenities - so I believe it is very easy to rent out...! that the advantage here...

Spidey, to be honest, if you expect easy-to-rent + good rental for double-storey terrace property in this area and most part of Johore, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. But if you are buying it for retirement/weekend stay it'll be alright. Why don't you look at completed or secondary (resale) properties instead? At least you get to enjoy the house immediately (whether own stay or rental) instead of waiting for another couple of years?

tutucake
27-10-2011, 10:43 AM
Sometimes I feel although we have a choice, where we live, how we live, in a particular time frame, is more or less predestinated. For me, my hubby had been wanting to migrate after we first got married. Wanting to sell the hdb, wanting to go to Australia, wanting to get out of here......It was I who had been stopping him again and again due to my own reasons.

Alas we fell in love with Setia Tropika and it was love at first sight. Once we saw it, although still goes shopping around, nothing else could match up to it. Looks like fate is the one playing its trick on us. ;)

So if you have paid for the house, its fated that you own this piece of land. You deserve this space of yours. Just enjoy the positive side of it as well as it last. Who know fate might decide that you deserve a bigger, better place later on in live? :)

Three Cheers to Living in JB! :)

Hi sister cathylmg,

Thanks for opening up my mind.... I think i've been too narrow minded all these while.... But cant help it especially when I see how fellow malaysians complain about their Bukit Indah houses.....

U r right..who knows....maybe my house will bring me luck and help my strike toto.... i'll just take each step as it goes... and not think so much... huat ah!

spidey
27-10-2011, 11:10 AM
Spidey, to be honest, if you expect easy-to-rent + good rental for double-storey terrace property in this area and most part of Johore, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. But if you are buying it for retirement/weekend stay it'll be alright. Why don't you look at completed or secondary (resale) properties instead? At least you get to enjoy the house immediately (whether own stay or rental) instead of waiting for another couple of years?

Hi Bro, yes buying for retirement leh...just that now want to rent out - same intention with the other bro here.
i know the rental is not great in jb, just tat if it can cover more than 50% of the instalment, i am happy..i can pay for the rest...

i wan to invest now coz looking at the amt of of investment that is going into JB - Iskandar, MRT, New highways and those mega things - and i understand JB houses are still way below KL and PG... there is room for appreciation now.
like what the bro said, if i dun buy now and buy 15 yrs down the road, prices may not be the same...

i have scan the resale - and the couple of areas i haved looked at are not to my satisfaction - so not going there, reason being houses are pretty old and not well kpet - buy and then need to throw in another 50-60k to renovate and get the fittings and furnishing before renting out...hhhhmmm, not worth it leh!!! personally!!

yonglip
27-10-2011, 11:18 AM
You mean we can get the MACS done at Jusco Bukit Indah, besides 2nd Link or Causeway?

yes bro...jusco at 2nd link...

they din check passport validity, no finger printing no nothing..just give them passport and RM30..wait for 1 minute..i.e. if no one in front of you...wa la..done liao. i think they big leh long on the MACS these days...valid for one year..

relaxmannn
27-10-2011, 12:11 PM
Hi bro, I was told by ERA agent that my property in Jb above RM500k++, she said very hard to appeal unless is half the amount.



Was viewing and inquire about purchase of EC in sg, due to the new rules of those who currently have hdb and overseas property are not eligible to apply but the agent said they can appeal on my behalf and the chance are very high!!!

relaxmannn
27-10-2011, 12:22 PM
Hi spidey, go check with Horizon Residence.
Heard they have units that are below RM500k, some below RM400k.




Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

mathstub
27-10-2011, 12:48 PM
yes bro...jusco at 2nd link...

they din check passport validity, no finger printing no nothing..just give them passport and RM30..wait for 1 minute..i.e. if no one in front of you...wa la..done liao. i think they big leh long on the MACS these days...valid for one year..

For those Bros who want to get MACS, better be quick. The ladies there told me they only gave this out easily as a promotion. After Nov 15 2011, there is no more promotion (unless for some unknown reason, there is an extension for promotion which is very unlikely), everyone who wants to apply for MACS needs to fill in forms and submits photos etc and it will not be as fast and convenient as what is done in Jusco right now!

mathstub
27-10-2011, 12:54 PM
Thanks for sharing this video. Need to warn all forummers to avert their wife/wives eyes. :)

Have gone abroad for a few days and so many pages have been added. Need to catch up.

Oops, my wife has just seen this video while I am looking at this page and she immediately requests to go to take a look.

I am sweating now!

mathstub
27-10-2011, 12:57 PM
Bro, 14800 does not include the 20 yrs interest of it. So including the interest, it should be close to 92RM/month.


eh bro..14800 divide by 240 where got 92?..only 61.6 la..or around S$25 per month...ok la.

u scaring your ownself la bro..haha.

mathstub
27-10-2011, 12:59 PM
Great news for LF owner. No need to pass the dark road in front of LF!


whoah, hope to visit some mtv cribs in JB next time!


http://youtu.be/VlDpOr0ryLo

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Bro, I was originally considering LF but backed out in the last minute because of the dark road in front. Bro Euphony seems to have a very good time there.

If I knew the thing about the new exit, I would have given a even more serious consideration before buying HH.


If I know LF got in house cleaning maintenance plus the new exit, I would have considered LF... (HH is the only property I have viewed in JB..)
Not sure if we can get in house cleaning maintenance in HH as well...

I am prepared to do renovation for my HH property.. It is going to be busy.. so whatever poor furnishing is not important..as long as pipe and roof don't leak..

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Actually I asked the banker whether I could pay lump sum. The banker said "cannot".


Interest leh? They put into the loan gotta charge interest I believe.
If not confirm people dun pay lump sum.

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:07 PM
Bro Wuqi, please make a guess what the rating for the materials for HH Hill precinct will be (above 4 possible?).


Agree with your assessment, for certain units, its definitely only a 3.

If i have to choose between 2 places and one has lesser amenities but much better finishing and the other has better amenities but poorer finishing. I would still choose the one with better amenities. Have made this clear before as i can always change finishing but i cannot "buy" amenities.

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:09 PM
Hi Bro, how comes you get the one with zero interest??


ya..i forgot about your interest bro..cos mine is interest free. :D if u factor in interest, it will be closer to your figure.

mine MTRA is RM8,000 over 15 years..CIMB Aviva...i think one of the cheapest in the mkt if i am not wrong.

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:10 PM
I am at the same age as Bro Wuqi. But I still think I am pretty young.


Wa bro wuqi

At 34 u said old, I must b in the museum Liao..;)

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Bro, if I have more money, I would certainly love to get one at LF.


interesting observations. I think or I am sure there were break-ins very long ago. LF is marching into the 15-20yr bracket already. Iskandar was only really taken for real in the last 2-3yrs. I cannot imagine how much less populated LF was initially. Because most buyers really bought the vast lands to land bank rather than built bungalows on them. those lone bungalows wouldn't have withstood the test of time then and could have become magnets for breakins.

some of them, abandoned, stands till this day as a reminder of yesterday if you look carefully as you drive towards the sales gallery. the sales rep told me the developer was frustrated with that and they started to offer BTS solutions as well as giving discounts to land-bankers to induce them to build resulting in what it is today. Actually, the roads were maintained by mbjb and the std is as the std across JB minus the newer roads. Sales rep told me that those big bungalows needed to break ground for electric works leading to re-pavings.

hmmm i think at this point i sound like a sales rep! :D well that was because when i was first deciding LF, I met this lady sales rep whom i took my hats off. We were chatting about everything for a bit after i signed the first commitment letter. We sat next to the pond and talked about everything under the sky, she told me about her past sales experience, how she had to help residents with the weirdest demands, picking up english and communicating with foreigners of different 'tongues'. For those taking about foreigners, you should visit any bungalow precincts and you'd be surprised if it was a caucasian country :) just sitting there, we chatted for 4 hours. Normally, a sales rep would have chucked me out after making the business.

that was then when I realized I wasn't just buying a property. I was buying into a community. A neighbor dropped me a nice welcome on the forum. 29ers. He kept me up to date with great advice getting in, getting out etc which I really appreciated, and he helped solve my ant infestation problem when I shifted in not too long ago! Cheers mate. Whenever I walk along to the clubhouse (to steal bandwidth hurhur) or drive my way out, neighbors I don't know greet me all the time and I smile back. I found out one of my students i used to teach has a weekend home here too. So LFers (haha did I first coin this term investor?) I guess have made what seems like an iconoclastic decision but really each of us knows LF has ate right into a special place in our hearts and its not just about the roof over our head...

mathstub
27-10-2011, 01:19 PM
For those Bros who bought the landed properties while they were still under construction, how many of you chose to pay the first regular instalment after the construction was complete and pay just the interest before the construction is complete?

For those Bros who have bought the properties at HH and chose to pay the interest after the construction is complete, mind sharing how much interest you are paying and how it is calculated. Thanks.

jasonjst
27-10-2011, 01:30 PM
Have gone abroad for a few days and so many pages have been added. Need to catch up.

Oops, my wife has just seen this video while I am looking at this page and she immediately requests to go to take a look.

I am sweating now!

What this video got to do with JB huh ? You mean that house is in LF or what ?

spidey
27-10-2011, 01:42 PM
Hi spidey, go check with Horizon Residence.
Heard they have units that are below RM500k, some below RM400k.

Bro, is this HH? The last I checked 3 weeks ago, it is going for 760k and above...only a few units left. These are the super link ...dun think in HH u can get anything less than 500k!!
They hv recently launched the cluster and going for 920k... Checked and double checked!! Coz HH was my 1st choice.
Only condo left which I am not interested... Pay so much of course wanna feel the land mah!!

jazjoz
27-10-2011, 01:52 PM
For those Bros who bought the landed properties while they were still under construction, how many of you chose to pay the first regular instalment after the construction was complete and pay just the interest before the construction is complete?

For those Bros who have bought the properties at HH and chose to pay the interest after the construction is complete, mind sharing how much interest you are paying and how it is calculated. Thanks.

I am with HSBC and I'm paying interest until it's completed. No defered payment. BLR-2.3

yonglip
27-10-2011, 02:09 PM
Hi Bro, how comes you get the one with zero interest??

100% loan offset..:D

cheers.

jasonjst
27-10-2011, 02:14 PM
For those Bros who want to get MACS, better be quick. The ladies there told me they only gave this out easily as a promotion. After Nov 15 2011, there is no more promotion (unless for some unknown reason, there is an extension for promotion which is very unlikely), everyone who wants to apply for MACS needs to fill in forms and submits photos etc and it will not be as fast and convenient as what is done in Jusco right now!

Bros any idea are they open on a Sunday ? Thinking of going there this Sunday with some friends to do MAC leh .

crystal_tiong
27-10-2011, 02:24 PM
I am with HSBC and I'm paying interest until it's completed. No defered payment. BLR-2.3

Hi
So how much is e interest to pay monthly before complete?

yonglip
27-10-2011, 02:25 PM
just went to cascadia website...impressive..

that said. i am always wary of developers who spent tons of money on fancy websites/advertising...it means less money on things that really matters the most. based on their modus operandi, one can expect even smaller houses at record breaking prices.

cheers.

mathstub
27-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Hi Bro, so what you mean is you are not paying any to the principal before your house's completed?

I am with HSBC and I'm paying interest until it's completed. No defered payment. BLR-2.3

spidey
27-10-2011, 02:37 PM
Maintainence is at 300 per mth... Heard from sales girl...I find it pretty steep! T maintain clubhouse and the watery surroundings and greenery...

Any comments on bandar dato onn? Recommended by a fren, I did pass by the area after hitting Setia indah/cascadia..but did not check out the place! It was on the way out to NSHW hitting Setia tropika..
The place is just a few row of houses only, if I am not mistaken...maybe I looked in from the main road, so did not check it out, location wise it's pretty good, less than 5 mins to the NSHW and probably less that 15 mins to CIQ once the EDL is up....any bros bought there care to comments...???

arsenal
27-10-2011, 02:38 PM
Visited the LF show house at Bayou Creek today.. I am very impressed.. Fully furnished.. However I can only have max 1 house in JB.. unless someone is willing to take over my golf facing semi D in HH? PM offer only if serious.. This proposal will close within next 2 day..



Bro, I was originally considering LF but backed out in the last minute because of the dark road in front. Bro Euphony seems to have a very good time there.

If I knew the thing about the new exit, I would have given a even more serious consideration before buying HH.

crystal_tiong
27-10-2011, 02:50 PM
"can anyone advise the direction of the main door facing to avoid the afternoon sun ?"

Just dont face WEST.

Tks for e advise!!

ginfreely
27-10-2011, 02:50 PM
Maintainence is at 300 per mth... Heard from sales girl...I find it pretty steep! T maintain clubhouse and the watery surroundings and greenery...

Any comments on bandar dato onn? Recommended by a fren, I did pass by the area after hitting Setia indah/cascadia..but did not check out the place! It was on the way out to NSHW hitting Setia tropika..
The place is just a few row of houses only, if I am not mistaken...maybe I looked in from the main road, so did not check it out, location wise it's pretty good, less than 5 mins to the NSHW and probably less that 15 mins to CIQ once the EDL is up....any bros bought there care to comments...???

This is a big development, with eleven precincts launched already. Last year I was viewing Precinct 10 and very tempted to buy a semi d there at about Rm560k but in the end didn't becos only one unit left by the time i saw it and the unit is facing a public toilet in the town park. The new precinct 11 is nicer but much higher price, semi d about Rm740k based on one advert I saw two months ago.

Narmi
27-10-2011, 02:53 PM
Bros any idea are they open on a Sunday ? Thinking of going there this Sunday with some friends to do MAC leh .

Bro jason
They are opened daily even weekends. I went last Sunday to make wif my 2 kids after checking on the progress of my hse. its open fr ard 1030/11am. Less than 10 mins its done.

They may not exceed beyond their roadshow date cos i overheard they had complaints on their FB fr public who feels they behave like sales promoters for actively promoting macs.

Aisanbo
27-10-2011, 03:16 PM
Spidey, to be honest, if you expect easy-to-rent + good rental for double-storey terrace property in this area and most part of Johore, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. But if you are buying it for retirement/weekend stay it'll be alright. Why don't you look at completed or secondary (resale) properties instead? At least you get to enjoy the house immediately (whether own stay or rental) instead of waiting for another couple of years?

This is something I dun quite understand also.
It used to be that market rate for 2 storey terrace about RM1k.
Now, the asking rate for terrace in newer G&G projects can be >2.5k and even up to 5k for semi-D.
I can see, for eg, Adda Heights and Austin Heights at that price range.
Of course HH & LF is also high.
If I can rent out a 500k property at 2k/mth (add rm300 for maintenance fee), I would be quite satisfied.

Would a 2100sf terrace with facilitites & 24hr security renting at Rm2.3k (SGD960) have demand ?
If I were a retired couple staying in HDB, it makes a lot of sense to "upgrade" from Sg HDB to JB landed and yet get extra income of about rm2.5k per month (assume HDB rent out for S$2k) and enjoy lower cost of living. No need to fork out any downpayment too.

Anyone who had paid up fully their HDB flat can actually retire (or semi-retire) already, if you dare.

So I can't really believe that a G&G terrace can only fetch RM1k or so. Just my views.

SeriAustinian
27-10-2011, 03:21 PM
Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.

Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...


Hi Spidey,

Wow! U seems to have covered majority of the newer developments during the weekends!

Since u hv been to Adda Height, Setia Tropika n Setia Indah/Eco-Cascadia, u may wanna check out Taman Dato Onn (Johor Land) and Seri Austin (UM Land) as well? These 2 developments are further away from North-South Highway with lesser amenities and hence less popular n property prices have not risen so much yet. Between the 2, we chose Seri Austin due to the preferred layout of the house as well as it being next to Setia Indah(now Eco Cascadia too) hence nearer to amenities of a matured township(Setia Indah). Certain parts of Dato Onn were near to the overhead cables which make us uncomfortable even tho they r quite a distance away. During our last visit to Seri Austin, there's still corner lots of older launch(Alisma) starting at $422,800(in case u r Malaysian). There's also new launches of terrace(Emery, but dunno if corner/end lot stil available)) and upcoming clusters(Citrine, 32'X75") starting just above RM500K.

We were drooling over Adda Height then but didn't wanna commit too much money on our 1st JB property. A blessing in disguise which resulted in us buying HH after that (with reassurance and affirmation from this precious forum!)

SeriAustinian
27-10-2011, 03:25 PM
Spidey, to be honest, if you expect easy-to-rent + good rental for double-storey terrace property in this area and most part of Johore, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. But if you are buying it for retirement/weekend stay it'll be alright. Why don't you look at completed or secondary (resale) properties instead? At least you get to enjoy the house immediately (whether own stay or rental) instead of waiting for another couple of years?

Fully agree with Toyohon on that.

SeriAustinian
27-10-2011, 03:27 PM
Another upcoming development at Puteri Harbour as discussed earlier:

http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-views/8627.html

jasonjst
27-10-2011, 03:28 PM
Bro jason
They are opened daily even weekends. I went last Sunday to make wif my 2 kids after checking on the progress of my hse. its open fr ard 1030/11am. Less than 10 mins its done.

They may not exceed beyond their roadshow date cos i overheard they had complaints on their FB fr public who feels they behave like sales promoters for actively promoting macs.
thks ... must make effort to go down ...

thegolf
27-10-2011, 03:31 PM
Hehee...Save my trip for going in again. Thank you HorizonHillsGCC's for uploading the latest update on construction of 'the golf' in youtube :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx05hEJ9nWU

Construction noise intensified... this was supposed to be a freakin' public holiday! HORIZON HILLS DEVELOPMENT SDN BHD issued a notice "No work on Deepavali Public Holiday".. this is a developer that says one thing and does another. They could care less about their homeowners, or whatever laws there are.. they make their own rules, then break them.

Good luck trying to get them to help you with a problem once you've paid your $$$... they push everything back to the contractor.. again..good freakin luck! Is this a developer you want to give a few million $$ to?

They apologize constantly AFTER the damage is done! Ha-ha... what a joke...There is a reason why Malaysian real estate is so much cheaper than Singapore...think about it friends.. we made a big freakin mistake buying here. We've been "rectifying" problems in our Horizon Hills Hills Precinct bungalow for over a year now...

Still cannot get the garbage collected regularly.. still don't have the correct front door.. it goes on and on..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbqCo0l09hY&feature=related

We were woken up at 845AM by the sounds of heavy construction. This was supposed to be a public holiday...it's Deepavali. Horizon Hills management made a very big deal about there being no work allowed on this public holiday.

As you can see.. they were very busy... this is typical of Horizon Hills Develeopment.. they say one thing and do another, with little regard for their homeowners who have paid millions of dollars to live here.

I SMS'ed Mr. Lim Chai Seng, the Assistant General Manager..he replied with an "apology" and said he was sending instructions to stop them... BULLSHIT... as you can see from the next video taken an hour later, they not only continued to work, but increased their workforce and were working steadily at 3 worksites on a Public Holiday.

ginfreely
27-10-2011, 03:32 PM
This is something I dun quite understand also.
It used to be that market rate for 2 storey terrace about RM1k.
Now, the asking rate for terrace in newer G&G projects can be >2.5k and even up to 5k for semi-D.
I can see, for eg, Adda Heights and Austin Heights at that price range.
Of course HH & LF is also high.
If I can rent out a 500k property at 2k/mth (add rm300 for maintenance fee), I would be quite satisfied.

Would a 2100sf terrace with facilitites & 24hr security renting at Rm2.3k (SGD960) have demand ?
If I were a retired couple staying in HDB, it makes a lot of sense to "upgrade" from Sg HDB to JB landed and yet get extra income of about rm2.5k per month (assume HDB rent out for S$2k) and enjoy lower cost of living. No need to fork out any downpayment too.

Anyone who had paid up fully their HDB flat can actually retire (or semi-retire) already, if you dare.

So I can't really believe that a G&G terrace can only fetch RM1k or so. Just my views.

From what I heard from property agent, brand new and unfurnished G&G terrace at Bukit Indah already asking Rm1.75k rent.

LeMans2011
27-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Gentlemen and ladies,
If the developer sale has little choice units left, don't dismiss the resale market completely. There are very "prominent" bros here who bought resale and have absolutely no "repercussions" as compared to buying new. If you do some research you will spot "pockets of opportunities" in the resale market :)

jasonjst
27-10-2011, 04:10 PM
From what I heard from property agent, brand new and unfurnished G&G terrace at Bukit Indah already asking Rm1.75k rent.

Just few days back someone here rented a terrace at HH for 1.8K isnt it ?
Consider low if based on current price of 600K - 700K , but is OK if owner brought it at the 300K range .

jasonjst
27-10-2011, 04:40 PM
This is something I dun quite understand also.
It used to be that market rate for 2 storey terrace about RM1k.
Now, the asking rate for terrace in newer G&G projects can be >2.5k and even up to 5k for semi-D.
I can see, for eg, Adda Heights and Austin Heights at that price range.
Of course HH & LF is also high.
If I can rent out a 500k property at 2k/mth (add rm300 for maintenance fee), I would be quite satisfied.

Would a 2100sf terrace with facilitites & 24hr security renting at Rm2.3k (SGD960) have demand ?
If I were a retired couple staying in HDB, it makes a lot of sense to "upgrade" from Sg HDB to JB landed and yet get extra income of about rm2.5k per month (assume HDB rent out for S$2k) and enjoy lower cost of living. No need to fork out any downpayment too.

Anyone who had paid up fully their HDB flat can actually retire (or semi-retire) already, if you dare.

So I can't really believe that a G&G terrace can only fetch RM1k or so. Just my views.

Rental market is a joke in JB lah !
You move around JB , how often you come across a FTs that earn 5 - 10K a month ?
I have yet to met one in my 3yrs stay in JB lor. But back in SG, everywhere I go , I sure to see one. KNN , Singapore is the only country in the world where FTs stay terrace houses and senior citizen wipe tables and clean toilet one.
So who you want to rent your house to in JB ?

jazjoz
27-10-2011, 04:52 PM
Hi Bro, so what you mean is you are not paying any to the principal before your house's completed?

correct. But u can always park some money in the account to offset the interest.

jazjoz
27-10-2011, 05:10 PM
Hi
So how much is e interest to pay monthly before complete?

For a loan of 720k, eventually will be up to 700+ per month, depending on how much the HH has taken from the bank.

wuqi256
27-10-2011, 05:44 PM
Gentlemen and ladies,
If the developer sale has little choice units left, don't dismiss the resale market completely. There are very "prominent" bros here who bought resale and have absolutely no "repercussions" as compared to buying new. If you do some research you will spot "pockets of opportunities" in the resale market :)

I am definitely not prominent but i have bought 3 units resale, the rest straight from the developer. 2 to invest and 1 was at least 50% because i wanted to help someone i thought was my "bro". Anyway hard lesson learnt there. No issues with the other 2 units subsale.

The main problem (actually only problem) i had with a subsale was in the unit i bought from this "bro".
The one i thought was my only real friend in Johore.

Anyway its really sad but to cut a long story short, towards the end, didn't honour what he said earlier and made it worse by repeatedly promising (and not delivering) and not transferring DMC. Even said i maligned him when i spoke online about it(when first i tried to contact him many times and he did not respond for months) Then sent me rude SMS when i said i wanted to resolve this amicably. Maybe i wasn't tactful or nice enough. For all the shennigans, in the end, he did all this in vain. Lawyer side told me lots of stuff and in a way some of the people he knew also tried to drum me up to take action but i declined, just felt sad enough at that time.

Turns out in the end it would affect him adversely if the DMC (with HH and etc) wasn't completed (taxation and other issues) and then he asked lawyer side to chase me repeatedly.(probably fearing i would do the same to him)

I didn't want to make things difficult for him and by the time the lawyer side called me, i already did all the necessary things and paid up the necessary stuff so the transfer went ahead smoothly. He probably will never know this but i paid all the tax stuff ahead already for him before i even did the rest of my other properties, didn't want to affect him buying other properties as he is still young.

Still, no hard feelings any more but just to share all on the pitfalls, just get all the paperwork done and don't just depend on trust no matter how much you like or trust someone. Imagine, back then i trusted this guy more than alot of my family members.

I still do alot of business based on trust but i learnt a hard lesson in life.

wuqi256
27-10-2011, 05:56 PM
Bros who are thinking of buying properties here mainly to rent out. Only some areas are good, most aren't so great, at least not yet.

A bro of mine has several and most of his are terraces. His are $2500-$2800. He shared with me only has one family (his tenants) that he likes a lot (i actually recommended them to him if i am not mistaken) so always kept low for them. My semi-d neighbours has no issues with renting out at 5000MYR or more. These are fully furnished units, just sharing some experience in The Gateway, your mileage may vary.

I was able to rent out some units and some references:

The Gateway:
1. Terrace - $2600 MYR
2. Terrace - $2800 MYR
3. Cluster - $3600 MYR

All fully furnished with aircon units, curtains, dining sets, wardrobe sets water heaters, sofa sets, queen/king sized beds, lighting/fans, kitchen stoves, etc. Only things required are some shelves/cupboards and personal clothing. Average of 1-3 months within taking of keys to rent out. Rented without the use of agents except for the Cluster one as i wanted a higher price.

GorengPisang
27-10-2011, 06:19 PM
For the past few mths of daily researching n reading up on Iskandar's properties, have found many useful info n insights frm various forums, of which 1 would be right here...and happy to say that i have secured a new unit myself. However since the beginning up till now, everyday i read up on new posting with mix emotions. 1st-ly im a msian myself (a spr), like many im buying a house for own consumption yet do not want to be too far away frm spore as i've spent most of my life in SG, where all my good friends are sporean, thus johor properties seem like a natural choice. Next , i belive what im gona say will probably ruffle some feathers.

On 1 hand being a m'sian i would love to see msia (specifically in this context, johor) prosper and achieve economic progress, on the other hand, i feel upset whenever i hear abt sporean getting ripped off doing business in msia, or paid for a housing project that gets abandoned halfway thru or...take the plunge into a purchase and got confused into buying something that's overpriced.

Now my rantings....in this particular forum which draws thousands of readership regarding properties in iskandar johor, im not surprised that there are many many johor real estate agents amongst us here, and i see some really clever marketing of properties. Well fine, as long as genuine house hunters get useful info, then all is good. But increasingly i smell many rats n smelly fishes doing their rounds in a bid to apply pressure on potential purchasers to committ on a purchase (there are only a handful of active agents in johor's market, by coming together to promote properties, its only a matter of time when the units they are marketing gets picked, so its really ok to remain anonymous n continue posting here). So genuine home hunters, do not just believe all that you read, property purchase is (no matter how cheap, or no matter how strong SG currency is) proceed with care and do your own logical research b4 you take that plunge.

Last but not least, to our friend spidey's post, here's my 2 cents worth:


Bros, Over the weekend and yesterday day off, I went to a few places in JB as recommended by a few Bros here to get a feel of the place as well as the location (drive there, and check out the distance)...and end of the day, my hunt didn't go too well...

My budget was slightly above 500k - and I would like a small land at the side - (looking for corner or end lot with 10 ft land) and realized that places like :

HH - No way can get a one!

Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k
Putting aside uncertainty whether u r sporean or msian, you have just wasted 1 whole day of your life getting wrong info. NI intermediate starts frm RM450k, end lot corner frm 539k. And that's b4 discount. The only intermediate going for 500k and above are a couple of subsale units. Next Nusa Sentral, this is even more absurd...intermediate new currently frm 360k with further 10% rebate=rm330k, hugeeee corner with 15-20 feet land going for RM550k (after 10% rebate=RM490k <--------------Perfect for your budget, if u are really putting in your hard earned $, i dont think u would've missed out on this important price point)

Bukit Indah - new ones > 500k for corner and do not like the quality - for > 550k and the front does not even comes with tiles!!! and the floor is not even marble/ or the huge shinning tiles, it's the small tiles type - personally i don't see quality in Bukit Indah - just that's it located near Tuas! paying 500k for an intermediate lot and then another 100k to renovate!! to me not worth it...(my personal feel)
Went to look for resale market - < 500K, there are units being sold <500k , but you wouldn't venture there - condition is really bad and without G&G....so no point!! These are older launches...

Again i seriously do not know where u get all this info, while not as bad as your homework on NI/Nusa Sentral, there are still fairly new subsale units Gated&Guarded for below RM400k

EL - No need to see

Puteri Harbour - No need to se

I think from HH onwards to Tuas checkpoint - No need to see already - All > 600k liao!!!

Austin Hills - don't like the location - but I think is also more than 550k for corner.


Austin Heights - nothing for sale yet, but launching cluster homes - cheapest >600k

Setia Cascadia - put in a deposit - but all sold out...like the design and area...sales girl will let me know if there is a pull out...only the 501k intermediate lots! if corner no need to say ...above my budget!!
This is my current best one todate!!!

Setia Tropika - also intermediate lot already >500k...saw some Garage houses - don't like the design at all...left 2 units..other no need to see - all >500k...all others sold out!!
At least a couple of subsale unit below RM500k

Setia Indah - all > 500k - design like Bukit Indah....don't see the quality there and going for >500k for corner lots - left 1 or 2 units - bumi release lot! Area so so - a lot of twisting and turning getting into the housing estate...

Taman Daya - no need to see ....all old houses..

I went to Addax(I can't recall the name...but very high class place and very nice), near to Setia Tropika - no need to see...

So, Bros - looks like it's really difficult to find anything for around 500k in JB now if you want a corner house with land and in a good location!!!

That sums my hunt...

My summary /interpretation is this: From a fresh reader's perspective, i would have interpreted it as: Damn, i better hurry up n buy smthing cos even at 500k i cant get a decent gated&guarded house....wat the heck, 600k quickly go grab 1st. After buying n move in, realise neighbour's house for sale for 400k for past 6 mths still no buyer, end up either auction or sell to his/her agent for 350k. End of the day sporean buy expensive/overpriced house, poor uneducated johor uncle sell house away cheaply, housing market gets inflated, local johorean blames sporean for high property prices. Well, i might get shot n flamed for this long posting, but i sincerely hope there are as many who will benefit frm my sharing.

3_M
27-10-2011, 06:37 PM
Bros who are thinking of buying properties here mainly to rent out. Only some areas are good, most aren't so great, at least not yet.

A bro of mine has several and most of his are terraces. His are $2500-$2800. He shared with me only has one family (his tenants) that he likes a lot (i actually recommended them to him if i am not mistaken) so always kept low for them. My semi-d neighbours has no issues with renting out at 5000MYR or more. These are fully furnished units, just sharing some experience in The Gateway, your mileage may vary.

I was able to rent out some units and some references:

The Gateway:
1. Terrace - $2600 MYR
2. Terrace - $2800 MYR
3. Cluster - $3600 MYR

All fully furnished with aircon units, curtains, dining sets, wardrobe sets water heaters, sofa sets, queen/king sized beds, lighting/fans, kitchen stoves, etc. Only things required are some shelves/cupboards and personal clothing. Average of 1-3 months within taking of keys to rent out. Rented without the use of agents except for the Cluster one as i wanted a higher price.

Bro I have some qns.

1. There doesn't seem to be a very huge expat population in JB. So where could this rental potential be from?
2. How long is the tenancy agreement?
3. What is the rental price range for semi-d in HH assuming fully furnish unit?
4. Is it easier to rent out a smaller unit like terrace/cluster compare to semi D? If so, does it mean longer waiting time to rent out for semi d?

wuqi256
27-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Thanks for sharing Goreng Pisang, i am sure that there are definitely agents here doing their job. I always like to believe that they mean no harm but as always, this is mainly about living in JB so its just to share findings. Maybe Spidey didn't really look at subsales? Its good that you shared this so people can see that there are still good gems around.

Speaking of agents. I myself was in the very beginning accused by people (not referring to you HorizonHills) to be an agent or having ulterior motives and even just recently, the lady friend of my Italian buddy even said loudly i must be getting commissions when i brought them to view houses.

Today, even though they were all here with new friends to look at houses, i didn't join them as i didn't want them to misunderstand but i did send SMS to offer my help where i can. I was busy with work today and just had a fall yesterday so wasn't too well anyway but mainly i just want to avoid having to explain myself.

wuqi256
27-10-2011, 08:46 PM
Thanks for asking, my answers inline, some of your questions are familiar though, did you ask me on PM?


Bro I have some qns.

1. There doesn't seem to be a very huge expat population in JB. So where could this rental potential be from?

My own tenants plus my friends who have the following tenants make up the following:
a. Singaporeans who have houses here and waiting for completion
b. Singaporeans who are escaping the costs, pressure and stress of Singapore
c. Singaporeans who are giving this place a try before committing
d. KL or folks from other parts of Malaysia who work in Singapore or who are working on projects here
e. Expats as in Doctors and professionals in the country's endeavours for medical and teaching
f. Expats working in Singapore who are keen to be near enough to Singapore yet far enough.
g. Investors who have shops/factories starting up

2. How long is the tenancy agreement?
Normally 1+1, in my case i have 2 x 2 year tenancy agreement and 1 x 1 year which has just been renewed for another year

3. What is the rental price range for semi-d in HH assuming fully furnish unit?
About 5k MYR and higher, there is one unit that is about 7500 MYR rented out to a gent from KL, Jalan Ambang 1. Another that i know of has rented out for about 12k. These are for units facing the golf course and normally are 2.5 storeys

4. Is it easier to rent out a smaller unit like terrace/cluster compare to semi D? If so, does it mean longer waiting time to rent out for semi d?
Better to get smaller units if you want to rent out, easier and faster. Yes from my own limited experience. Your experience may be different although one of my neighbours did rent out his for 5.5k in the 3rd month that he started advertising

wuqi256
27-10-2011, 08:55 PM
Visited the LF show house at Bayou Creek today.. I am very impressed.. Fully furnished.. However I can only have max 1 house in JB.. unless someone is willing to take over my golf facing semi D in HH? PM offer only if serious.. This proposal will close within next 2 day..

Hi Arsenal, please PM me with price, should be Jalan Ambang 1?
I have friends who are interested but please no agents. I can pass
you the contacts so that they can arrange with your for viewing.

Please give them a good price and deal directly with them

spidey
27-10-2011, 10:00 PM
Thanks bro wuqi for support here, and to clear the presumption on being an agent, sorry to disappoint you gorengpisang, I am not an agent...
And thanks for yr feedback too goringpisang on Nusa Idaman and sentral..I recall checking out Idaman and the prices was exactly as you stated, around 450k for intermediate ..and what I am looking for was a house with land, hence I presume for this it will be above 550k already...so didn't bother to hv a second look. I was not aware of the discount being offered here...will definitely checked it out this weekend..
Also, was thinking the close proximity of sentral n Idaman, the prices should be near if not the same, hence deduced that for a corner/with land unit it should be easily 550k and above for these 2 areas.

As for Setia tropika, I did not look at subsale units only the recent launches or what's left of them. And these were going for 500k for the intermediate units, hence deduced that for corner or units with land, would have cost at least 600k..

Yes, did checked out bukit indah subsale, but was put off by the units I saw ie without g&g and the condition of some of the houses, which are below 500k but as I mentioned, I dun see quality here...at least 50-70k of Reno work need to dump in to make it pleasant that too for the interior only.. And for the exterior, we dun hv a say!! And I didn't like what I saw of the surroundings ambience... Put it this way, it was probably 3% of HH..Probably I am taken in by HH and expect all other developments to hv the same ambience/surrounding as HH....

Anyway, will check Nusa out again this weekend and also Bandar Dato Onn,,,

I hv a question after looking at the prices of some of the newer developments vs older dev..how come the older houses are not moving in tandem with the new prices of the new launches in jb...
In kl, take for example Bandar Utama houses, new launches are selling at 1.2 mio for intermediate lot and subsale houses around that area are also price around that new price, though they were launched earlier and cheaper but in jb, I dun find it the case eg Setia indah surrounding houses are still way below new prices, why is that? They are in the same location!
Any comments guys??

spidey
27-10-2011, 10:17 PM
Wow! 740k for semi d is way above my budget...will check the place out this weekend.
heard any other comments about the place? Developer should be ok rite? They hv delivered precinct 10...
Heard any negative/positive news from the community on about this development?

spidey
27-10-2011, 10:22 PM
Bro, 500k house and rent out 2k a mth, I think that's asking too much in jb property market from what I hear!!!
Rental market in jb is really weak, my jb ferns telling me dun buy houses here, unless for own stay...
If die die rent also -dun expect a lot, hence if I buy, it's for my retirement but rent out now, and if rental can cover 50% of my instalment, I am happy Liao!

spidey
27-10-2011, 10:54 PM
Rental market is a joke in JB lah !
You move around JB , how often you come across a FTs that earn 5 - 10K a month ?
I have yet to met one in my 3yrs stay in JB lor. But back in SG, everywhere I go , I sure to see one. KNN , Singapore is the only country in the world where FTs stay terrace houses and senior citizen wipe tables and clean toilet one.
So who you want to rent your house to in JB ?

Jason, what about this scenario - buy 500k - take loan 400k, assuming monthly instalment 2k.(I think is around this range, I hope)
Rent out 1.3-1.5k (hope can fetch) then 500 to 700 take out from own pocket - this translates to 200-400 Sgd a mth...not so taxingly!!

Aisanbo
28-10-2011, 12:11 AM
Bro, 500k house and rent out 2k a mth, I think that's asking too much in jb property market from what I hear!!!
Rental market in jb is really weak, my jb ferns telling me dun buy houses here, unless for own stay...
If die die rent also -dun expect a lot, hence if I buy, it's for my retirement but rent out now, and if rental can cover 50% of my instalment, I am happy Liao!
This is what I dun understand loh. Say the 501k cascadia terrace with built up 2100sf and 4+1 Rm.
Rm2k is only s$850. Also cannot fetch? Must lower to Rm1k ($630) ?
And somemore it's a G&G with clubhouse.
Like I mentioned, if I already retired now, i would rush to rent one while i rent out my HDB.
Greying population means there are more retirees coming up. Good for sg retirees as it's still quite near.
Retirees might as well buy rather than rent? Well not all retirees are cash rich as they cannot loan and need to keep hdb for rental income.
But there's just this nagging impression about high crime rate in JB, else the story very nice.

checkers
28-10-2011, 01:33 AM
This is what I dun understand loh. Say the 501k cascadia terrace with built up 2100sf and 4+1 Rm.
Rm2k is only s$850. Also cannot fetch? Must lower to Rm1k ($630) ?
And somemore it's a G&G with clubhouse.
Like I mentioned, if I already retired now, i would rush to rent one while i rent out my HDB.
Greying population means there are more retirees coming up. Good for sg retirees as it's still quite near.
Retirees might as well buy rather than rent? Well not all retirees are cash rich as they cannot loan and need to keep hdb for rental income.
But there's just this nagging impression about high crime rate in JB, else the story very nice.

Unless one happens to be wuqi with his good network of well off friends, relatives and associates, it is best not to put so much hope in the rental aspect. The average household income of Johoreans is too low (3000 to 5000 rm). Very few locals can afford to pay high rentals or buy high priced properties. Besides servicing the monthly loan, one needs to factor in monthly maintenance fees, taxes , and repairs. (maintaining that corner will cost money too - otherwise you will see lalang everyone ;))

But to those people who can afford to pay for the spacious terrace with a corner (as compared to Sg), so that he can play with his grandchildren or children in their own garden; perhaps the benefits or pleasure in having your own landed property will outweigh the cost. So my assessment is only buy the property if you can well afford it – whether it is for retirement or investment purposes. It is not easy to predict any market or the economy of a country , but if you have the holding power (like some forummers here) , young and has high risk appetites or is able to purchase the properties without any loans, it is safe to go ahead with the purchase.

Think carefully. What you read or see here may not be what you get.

jasonjst
28-10-2011, 01:43 AM
Jason, what about this scenario - buy 500k - take loan 400k, assuming monthly instalment 2k.(I think is around this range, I hope)
Rent out 1.3-1.5k (hope can fetch) then 500 to 700 take out from own pocket - this translates to 200-400 Sgd a mth...not so taxingly!!

1.3 to 1.5K should be easy to get lah , but is very low for a 500K investment . It is 3.6% pa return, minus bank interest , agent commision, maintenance , maybe 0.5% pa. What is FD interest in Malaysia ? Maybe 2-3% ?
I think people buy houses in JB is for own use one and if lucky get some capital appreciation.

spidey
28-10-2011, 01:57 AM
This is what I dun understand loh. Say the 501k cascadia terrace with built up 2100sf and 4+1 Rm.
Rm2k is only s$850. Also cannot fetch? Must lower to Rm1k ($630) ?
And somemore it's a G&G with clubhouse.
Like I mentioned, if I already retired now, i would rush to rent one while i rent out my HDB.
Greying population means there are more retirees coming up. Good for sg retirees as it's still quite near.
Retirees might as well buy rather than rent? Well not all retirees are cash rich as they cannot loan and need to keep hdb for rental income.
But there's just this nagging impression about high crime rate in JB, else the story very nice.

Bro, u r rite! why bother to purchase if rental is so much cheaper!....then again owning a house is different from renting...to me it's mine, no one can chase me away (freehold that is) but renting, you stll have that nagging feeling that you can be evicted anytime...
Not to mention, owning one house you feel a sense of satisfaction and pride and you will take good care of the house..hahah, that's how i view it..

Aanyway, diferent ppl hv different view - so some may want to rent but some may want to own..

I have made my calculations, and my target type of house - G&G, near to amenities (not too farlah), and must have land at the side so that I can plant my durian and fruits tree, and in JB - Coz my kids can visit me when once in awhile ...dun have to be a huge huge house, if can get one storey banglow even better, coz old oreidi, dun wan to do cleaning of 4 toilets and 4 bedrooms, just simple basic place for me and my wife to grow old once I retire..
also, on and off can have BBQ session on the land, catch up with old frens and sit back and relax!!

To me, as long as the rental can cover 50% of my instalment, i am happy...hence done my calculations - Budget at 500k!! if anything lesse it's be a bonus - just need to put it under my wife's name!

That's my target for the house....

checkers
28-10-2011, 02:00 AM
1.3 to 1.5K should be easy to get lah , but is very low for a 500K investment . It is 3.6% pa return, minus bank interest , agent commision, maintenance , maybe 0.5% pa. What is FD interest in Malaysia ? Maybe 2-3% ?
I think people buy houses in JB is for own use one and if lucky get some capital appreciation.

FD interest is 3.5 % average

spidey
28-10-2011, 02:05 AM
1.3 to 1.5K should be easy to get lah , but is very low for a 500K investment . It is 3.6% pa return, minus bank interest , agent commision, maintenance , maybe 0.5% pa. What is FD interest in Malaysia ? Maybe 2-3% ?
I think people buy houses in JB is for own use one and if lucky get some capital appreciation.

wow - swee!! if 1.3k can rent out a 500k house - i'll be a happy man in JB, if instalment is arond 2k per mth!
looking at long term, so hopefully with a little capital appreciation that will do the trick - at least, if i kick the bucket, got something for the kids...

spidey
28-10-2011, 02:19 AM
Unless one happens to be wuqi with his good network of well off friends, relatives and associates, it is best not to put so much hope in the rental aspect. The average household income of Johoreans is too low (3000 to 5000 rm). Very few locals can afford to pay high rentals or buy high priced properties. Besides servicing the monthly loan, one needs to factor in monthly maintenance fees, taxes , and repairs. (maintaining that corner will cost money too - otherwise you will see lalang everyone ;))

But to those people who can afford to pay for the spacious terrace with a corner (as compared to Sg), so that he can play with his grandchildren or children in their own garden; perhaps the benefits or pleasure in having your own landed property will outweigh the cost. So my assessment is only buy the property if you can well afford it whether it is for retirement or investment purposes. It is not easy to predict any market or the economy of a country , but if you have the holding power (like some forummers here) , young and has high risk appetites or is able to purchase the properties without any loans, it is safe to go ahead with the purchase.

Think carefully. What you read or see here may not be what you get.

Agree Bro - do your homework, each to his own!! and ppl have different taste and preference....go to the actual place, have a view/look/feel then make the decision - if you can afford, then go for it..ppl always says, recession is a good time to buy properties - there is some truth to this, but also how many ppl got the balls to buy in time of recession - worry about job, economy, ect ect and investment is the last on thier mind!!
to me, if u ask me when is the best time to buy property - there is no best time, depends on yr capability...if it's for long term, dun have to be afraid...stay and enjoy..else keep for children in the long long term....hahhahahah

yonglip
28-10-2011, 02:24 AM
One of my young relatives wanted to follow my footsteps to buy a house in JB..she says she has around S$20K in savings and ask me what she can buy over there. This is what i told her...

"Use the money + CPF to buy HDB flat in Sing first...take as little loan as possible and pay off as fast as you can...after that then come and look at JB houses."

Cheers.

jasonjst
28-10-2011, 02:25 AM
Bro, u r rite! why bother to purchase if rental is so much cheaper!....then again owning a house is different from renting...to me it's mine, no one can chase me away (freehold that is) but renting, you stll have that nagging feeling that you can be evicted anytime...
Not to mention, owning one house you feel a sense of satisfaction and pride and you will take good care of the house..hahah, that's how i view it..

Aanyway, diferent ppl hv different view - so some may want to rent but some may want to own..

I have made my calculations, and my target type of house - G&G, near to amenities (not too farlah), and must have land at the side so that I can plant my durian and fruits tree, and in JB - Coz my kids can visit me when once in awhile ...dun have to be a huge huge house, if can get one storey banglow even better, coz old oreidi, dun wan to do cleaning of 4 toilets and 4 bedrooms, just simple basic place for me and my wife to grow old once I retire..
also, on and off can have BBQ session on the land, catch up with old frens and sit back and relax!!

To me, as long as the rental can cover 50% of my instalment, i am happy...hence done my calculations - Budget at 500k!! if anything lesse it's be a bonus - just need to put it under my wife's name!

That's my target for the house....

This view I support , bro I can go to your garden to pick durian ?

aangsc
28-10-2011, 02:26 AM
This is what I dun understand loh. Say the 501k cascadia terrace with built up 2100sf and 4+1 Rm.
Rm2k is only s$850. Also cannot fetch? Must lower to Rm1k ($630) ?
And somemore it's a G&G with clubhouse.
Like I mentioned, if I already retired now, i would rush to rent one while i rent out my HDB.
Greying population means there are more retirees coming up. Good for sg retirees as it's still quite near.
Retirees might as well buy rather than rent? Well not all retirees are cash rich as they cannot loan and need to keep hdb for rental income.
But there's just this nagging impression about high crime rate in JB, else the story very nice.

It is always about the crime rate that turn most singaporean away,so most of us go for G & G plus security system in house and some grilled up like prison as well. If crime is down and causeway jam is managed well ,this place sure flooded with singaporean who earn $ and pay ringgit.

In term of rental market, I believe there is one typical rental class for local and one rental class more for professional workers earning S$. The latter group are those willing to pay more for rental in such places as LF, EL & HH, as rental of SG ppty increase the movement there will increase as well.

ODYSSEY
28-10-2011, 02:31 AM
To Yonglip: "yes bro...jusco at 2nd link...

they din check passport validity, no finger printing no nothing..just give them passport and RM30..wait for 1 minute..i.e. if no one in front of you...wa la..done liao. i think they big leh long on the MACS these days...valid for one year.. "
Thanks for the info, will go in tml to get it done.

cleyeo
28-10-2011, 02:35 AM
Bros,

Can some bros here explain how the loan package work ?.
As we all know that most developer prefer "progressive payment" to "deferred payment".

I would like to know how the bank loan work. For example, the house price is 500K. the buyer pay 10% in cash for downpayment/booking fee, and the buyer get 80% loan.

When does the buyer start paying the loan ?. Am I correct to say that all progressive payment will be handled by the bank ?.

appreciate it very much.

cheers

ODYSSEY
28-10-2011, 02:36 AM
The main problem (actually only problem) i had with a subsale was in the unit i bought from this "bro".
The one i thought was my only real friend in Johore.....

.......I didn't want to make things difficult for him and by the time the lawyer side called me, i already did all the necessary things and paid up the necessary stuff so the transfer went ahead smoothly. He probably will never know this but i paid all the tax stuff ahead already for him before i even did the rest of my other properties, didn't want to affect him buying other properties as he is still young.

Still, no hard feelings any more but just to share all on the pitfalls, just get all the paperwork done and don't just depend on trust no matter how much you like or trust someone. Imagine, back then i trusted this guy more than alot of my family members.

I still do alot of business based on trust but i learnt a hard lesson in life.

For all the good work you've done for us, sad to hear tis. U deserved better.

ODYSSEY
28-10-2011, 02:39 AM
Wuqi: "I was busy with work today and just had a fall yesterday so wasn't too well ......"

Wishing u speedy recovery - take care.

checkers
28-10-2011, 02:43 AM
One of my young relatives wanted to follow my footsteps to buy a house in JB..she says she has around S$20K in savings and ask me what she can buy over there. This is what i told her...

"Use the money + CPF to buy HDB flat in Sing first...take as little loan as possible and pay off as fast as you can...after that then come and look at JB houses."

Cheers.

Interest rate for singapore loan is low. Think it is better to loan than to use her cpf which earns a higher interest.

checkers
28-10-2011, 02:54 AM
Wuqi: "I was busy with work today and just had a fall yesterday so wasn't too well ......"

Wishing u speedy recovery - take care.

Wuqi, health is worth much more than wealth ... :)

spidey
28-10-2011, 02:58 AM
This view I support , bro I can go to your garden to pick durian ?

sure bro - most welcome! provided there is any left..hahahh

jasonjst
28-10-2011, 03:01 AM
One of my young relatives wanted to follow my footsteps to buy a house in JB..she says she has around S$20K in savings and ask me what she can buy over there. This is what i told her...

"Use the money + CPF to buy HDB flat in Sing first...take as little loan as possible and pay off as fast as you can...after that then come and look at JB houses."

Cheers.

Cannot lah , by the time she pay off HDB , what is prices like in JB ? Maybe got to stay much further beyong Iskandar lor . I think best to diversified into to JB in a small step , concurently.

toyohon
28-10-2011, 03:03 AM
The rental market target in Johore is small and the "classier/richer" ones will get those high-end G & G Tamans. I have friends who rented out their landed terraces and besides the usual problem of delays in rent payments, the sight of the condition of the houses really breaks their heart. Not to mention the extreme cases where evicting tenants becomes near impossible.

yonglip
28-10-2011, 03:20 AM
Cannot lah , by the time she pay off HDB , what is prices like in JB ? Maybe got to stay much further beyong Iskandar lor . I think best to diversified into to JB in a small step , concurently.

maybe my thinking more conservative la...better for her to establish her base camp first before she ventures abroad.

Its definitely better for her to do both if she has the funds. But with her limited capital, she can only choose one. For me, Sing should always be the first priority.

cheers.

yonglip
28-10-2011, 03:31 AM
I am also wary of subsales...a friend of mine was recently taken for a ride when he bought a subsale unit. After inking the option to buy, seller came back and says now he doesnt want to sell...citiing reasons like he din know got early penalty redemption and other crap...blaming agent for not telling him this and that...i suspect the recent price increases has made him realise he can get more money if he hold on to the unit. to cut the long story short, the sale is now in a limbo...what a mess. i also suspect seller/agent collusion...i may be wrong of course.

bottom line,...get it from developer if buying or if need to buy subsale, get it from Singaporeans..at least won't subject to so much uncertainties...for locals, a RM50K increase in price is really a huge sum for them, for Singaporeans, it is just S$20K...so won't change mind so easily...i think.

cheers.

aangsc
28-10-2011, 03:34 AM
maybe my thinking more conservative la...better for her to establish her base camp first before she ventures abroad.

Its definitely better for her to do both if she has the funds. But with her limited capital, she can only choose one. For me, Sing should always be the first priority.

cheers.
Same thinking my frenz. Unless Msia can progress by leaps and bounds overtaking SG, it is wiser to always keep ppty in SG while acquire a 2nd ppty in MY as safety net and backup plan for cheaper alternative when retired. For the rich , these does not apply as they can have it anywhere. For the young investor, they have to moderate their eagerness to acquire asap and reach their dream as early as possible, the typical weakness of us in SG ; kiasu mentality. Opportunity is always around as countries go thru boom and bust cycles.

Grago
28-10-2011, 04:17 AM
For the past few mths of daily researching n reading up on Iskandar's properties, have found many useful info n insights frm various forums, of which 1 would be right here...and happy to say that i have secured a new unit myself. However since the beginning up till now, everyday i read up on new posting with mix emotions. 1st-ly im a msian myself (a spr), like many im buying a house for own consumption yet do not want to be too far away frm spore as i've spent most of my life in SG, where all my good friends are sporean, thus johor properties seem like a natural choice. Next , i belive what im gona say will probably ruffle some feathers.On 1 hand being a m'sian i would love to see msia (specifically in this context, johor) prosper and achieve economic progress, on the other hand, i feel upset whenever i hear abt sporean getting ripped off doing business in msia, or paid for a housing project that gets abandoned halfway thru or...take the plunge into a purchase and got confused into buying something that's overpriced. Now my rantings....in this particular forum which draws thousands of readership regarding properties in iskandar johor, im not surprised that there are many many johor real estate agents amongst us here, and i see some really clever marketing of properties. Well fine, as long as genuine house hunters get useful info, then all is good. But increasingly i smell many rats n smelly fishes doing their rounds in a bid to apply pressure on potential purchasers to committ on a purchase (there are only a handful of active agents in johor's market, by coming together to promote properties, its only a matter of time when the units they are marketing gets picked, so its really ok to remain anonymous n continue posting here). So genuine home hunters, do not just believe all that you read, property purchase is (no matter how cheap, or no matter how strong SG currency is) proceed with care and do your own logical research b4 you take that plunge. Last but not least, to our friend spidey's post, here's my 2 cents worth:My summary /interpretation is this: From a fresh reader's perspective, i would have interpreted it as: Damn, i better hurry up n buy smthing cos even at 500k i cant get a decent gated&guarded house....wat the heck, 600k quickly go grab 1st. After buying n move in, realise neighbour's house for sale for 400k for past 6 mths still no buyer, end up either auction or sell to his/her agent for 350k. End of the day sporean buy expensive/overpriced house, poor uneducated johor uncle sell house away cheaply, housing market gets inflated, local johorean blames sporean for high property prices. Well, i might get shot n flamed for this long posting, but i sincerely hope there are as many who will benefit frm my sharing.Bro GP (sorry your nick very long to type...... :) ) I commend you on your selfless help, like Bro Wuqi, most on this forum are trying to get a better and saner place to live whiteout running the gauntlet of being 'ripped off'. Thumbs up to you Bro.

arsenal
28-10-2011, 04:29 AM
What GorengPisang said is true. Buy within your means.. However while one need to be rational, one also need to have some gut, luck and timing.
Singpapore property such as the Sails, Sentosa Cove was less than $1K psf at one stage.. 99 year lease.. It just doesn't make sense.. Property selling at 1K psf in Woodloand or Jurong also make no sense today... The easiest time to buy property is when market bottem from a crash..or it it when market is taking a turn to go up?

Isn't stocks a better option than property? or is it all about timing? Buy when there is fear?



For the past few mths of daily researching n reading up on Iskandar's properties, have found many useful info n insights frm various forums, of which 1 would be right here...and happy to say that i have secured a new unit myself. However since the beginning up till now, everyday i read up on new posting with mix emotions. 1st-ly im a msian myself (a spr), like many im buying a house for own consumption yet do not want to be too far away frm spore as i've spent most of my life in SG, where all my good friends are sporean, thus johor properties seem like a natural choice. Next , i belive what im gona say will probably ruffle some feathers.

On 1 hand being a m'sian i would love to see msia (specifically in this context, johor) prosper and achieve economic progress, on the other hand, i feel upset whenever i hear abt sporean getting ripped off doing business in msia, or paid for a housing project that gets abandoned halfway thru or...take the plunge into a purchase and got confused into buying something that's overpriced.

Now my rantings....in this particular forum which draws thousands of readership regarding properties in iskandar johor, im not surprised that there are many many johor real estate agents amongst us here, and i see some really clever marketing of properties. Well fine, as long as genuine house hunters get useful info, then all is good. But increasingly i smell many rats n smelly fishes doing their rounds in a bid to apply pressure on potential purchasers to committ on a purchase (there are only a handful of active agents in johor's market, by coming together to promote properties, its only a matter of time when the units they are marketing gets picked, so its really ok to remain anonymous n continue posting here). So genuine home hunters, do not just believe all that you read, property purchase is (no matter how cheap, or no matter how strong SG currency is) proceed with care and do your own logical research b4 you take that plunge.

Last but not least, to our friend spidey's post, here's my 2 cents worth:



My summary /interpretation is this: From a fresh reader's perspective, i would have interpreted it as: Damn, i better hurry up n buy smthing cos even at 500k i cant get a decent gated&guarded house....wat the heck, 600k quickly go grab 1st. After buying n move in, realise neighbour's house for sale for 400k for past 6 mths still no buyer, end up either auction or sell to his/her agent for 350k. End of the day sporean buy expensive/overpriced house, poor uneducated johor uncle sell house away cheaply, housing market gets inflated, local johorean blames sporean for high property prices. Well, i might get shot n flamed for this long posting, but i sincerely hope there are as many who will benefit frm my sharing.

Grago
28-10-2011, 04:31 AM
For all the good work you've done for us, sad to hear tis. U deserved better.Bro Wuqi I second this sentiment. Should not have happen to a person like YOU!

Grago
28-10-2011, 04:39 AM
What GorengPisang said is true. Buy within your means.. However while one need to be rational, one also need to have some gut, luck and timing.Singpapore property such as the Sails, Sentosa Cove was less than $1K psf at one stage.. 99 year lease.. It just doesn't make sense.. Property selling at 1K psf in Woodloand or Jurong also make no sense today... The easiest time to buy property is when market bottem from a crash..or it it when market is taking a turn to go up?Isn't stocks a better option than property? or is it all about timing? Buy when there is fear?Bro, contrarian investor/investment strategy :0

yonglip
28-10-2011, 04:44 AM
The rental market target in Johore is small and the "classier/richer" ones will get those high-end G & G Tamans. I have friends who rented out their landed terraces and besides the usual problem of delays in rent payments, the sight of the condition of the houses really breaks their heart. Not to mention the extreme cases where evicting tenants becomes near impossible.

For the average Joe in a standard terrace, let me try to work out the sums for rental...

Initial prep - basic reno/electricals/furnishings - RM30K depreciate over 5 years (optimistic) = min RM500 per month..one can also expect to spend this amount over the course of the rental for upkeep, replacement, repairs etc..
Maintenance = min RM100 per month (rubbish collection and security)
Interest = min RM1000 (if no loan lagi best)
Misc = RM100 per month (tax etc)

Rental = RM2000 (if lucky) and soon soon..

net rental income per month = RM300 per month or about 0.8% p.a. over a RM500K house. Interest to the banks is the real killer...else is workable.

for some, it might be so much work and hassel for so little...for others, as long as can cover the house, good enough...wait for capital appreciation (if it comes) and retirement (sure come)...haha.

toyohon
28-10-2011, 04:58 AM
That's the beauty of this forum - heady dreams, aspirations, change of lifestyle with a mix of good ol' current reality check, haha...

3_M
28-10-2011, 05:05 AM
Thanks for asking, my answers inline, some of your questions are familiar though, did you ask me on PM?

Thanks bro. My wife need to seek further clarification on some of the qns that why she asked me to post it.

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 05:05 AM
Thanks everyone for your kind words and concern. Bone creaking everywhere. Slidded a long way out. No choice, for the family, i must press on. Dusted myself off but the rain took care of it and went on back to work. These few days accident prone, guess been working too late at night. The other day rushing back from Malacca to help a relative with furniture, always skidded but luckily regained control of the car. Checked again yesterday and saw rim and tyres worn so got everything replaced yesterday night. Luckily meng was still open and i "Satu Malaysia" him, in the end, now all my cars have Pirelli tyres. I would rather pay more for peace of mind then to worry about things later.

arsenal
28-10-2011, 05:07 AM
wah.. some people injured (hope his health is fine) .. egg broken and price going to increase..

Misty fog in HH, isn't this make living in HH like living in a dream?



Two things to share today.

1) Heading into HH/EL from Tuas, saw massive jam at 2nd link around Gelang Patah side heading into Singapore around 7 plus am. This is the first time I have seen such a massive jam which stretch over 2-3 exit of the highway.. possibly 5-10km long. My friend was struck inside the mother of all jams and found that a huge truck had overturned and and most part of the body is in right most lane.. middle lane is also inaccessible. There are huge mess.. as thousands of crates of eggs and some metals were scattered all across the road.. at least 50,000pc eggs were crushed. Friend saw the emergency team carried a body bag into a vehicle.. Not sure if its really a body but it could be some eggs that had been overturned. Hope we dont have such major and fatal accidents so often!

2) Reaching Horizon Hills for golf, saw the whole place engulfed with misty. I mean, I cant really see 50m ahead. Only HH has this special nature effect. It could be the rain all day and night long.. I drove into Gateway and imagine I was standing at Gateway and can't see the Golf houses clearly.. such is the mist thickness which enveloped the entire HH. I was told by my friend when he was leaving for Singapore in the morning, he cant even see the Hills entrance when he was at the roundabout.. he thought the world is going to end.

Anyone experience this morning?

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 05:10 AM
So far, in my own limited experience, rental is only good for certain areas and developments. When they do well though, they really do very well. :)

I would still suggest to buy the biggest you can reasonably afford for your own stay and to buy mainly smaller units in gated and guarded areas. (Buy only G&G where possible)

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 05:11 AM
Thanks for sharing Horizonhills, that sounds horrible, hope not one got hurt.
I haven't seen it as i am not really able to move much today so didn't go out.

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 05:28 AM
Bros and sisters, please do due dilligence before coming in. Its not foolproof but neither is it that bad.
Still, i hope to see everyone happy. There is already too much pain in this cruel world.

http://youtu.be/4k--iw5iKCg

cathylmg
28-10-2011, 06:31 AM
after months of looking around for good furniture, I have come to a dead end really. Seems like the really nice modern contemporary designs are shipped direct to SG. I cannot find something here that is both aesthetically pleasing with quality for any price at all. The shops in JB mostly thinks modern contemporary is lux and opulence. So I went back to SG to hunt around. Lots of choices though the prices seem to stretch from dear to costing an arm and a leg + an organ in places like proof living, XZQT, space.

Anyway found something at koda (http://www.kodaonline.com/contactus.php), the built quality looks great and design is finally the modern contemporary minimalism I was looking for and the company is apparently one of the few in the Singapore furniture Association of some sort. For those who are interested there is a warehouse sale going on, there is 1 walnut table going for $290!!! very sleek and nicely grained though the edge is a tiny bit banged up, if you can live with it, it is a STEAL!!! When you get there go to the showroom to look for help otherwise, just go upstairs and act like you looked lost, a pretty girl :D will come to your aid.

If any of you would like what you see and bought stuff too we can share the shipment to JB to reduce cost since currently, I only ordered a table. Am in no hurry at the moment, my timeline is just before Christmas so its back to eating on the kitchen counter-top for now haha :(

euphony, maybe you can try see buy from Singapore and get them to send to you directly from their warehouse in JB. I tried my luck with Nova and found out they could actually do that. Haven't buy from them yet though....

yonglip
28-10-2011, 06:33 AM
im not surprised that there are many many johor real estate agents amongst us here, and i see some really clever marketing of properties. Well fine, as long as genuine house hunters get useful info, then all is good. But increasingly i smell many rats n smelly fishes doing their rounds in a bid to apply pressure on potential purchasers to committ on a purchase (there are only a handful of active agents in johor's market, by coming together to promote properties, its only a matter of time when the units they are marketing gets picked, so its really ok to remain anonymous n continue posting here). So genuine home hunters, do not just believe all that you read, property purchase is (no matter how cheap, or no matter how strong SG currency is) proceed with care and do your own logical research b4 you take that plunge.

hi bro..i think your fears are unfounded...i am quite new to this forum myself...only posted after i had bought a house 2 months ago..from what i have read so far..i dont sense "many many" agents here..... what i sense instead is the enthusiasm many proud owners have of their new found nests. some times their pride gets the better of them and they start to "over promote" their humble abode. its natural la. if you sell flowers, you have to say they smell nice. to the extent some even defend their 'turf' if trampled upon. so this might give you the impression they are agents.


for me, i like to go to the ground and see for myself instead of just making decision based on what people say. if the place is good, no selling is needed..if the place is bad, no amount of selling can help either.


cheers bro.

checkers
28-10-2011, 07:20 AM
Take whatever we read here with a pinch of salt.

Certain things are over rated here. Not all things are necessary cheaper here than in Sg. If things are cheaper, they are maybe of a lower quality. This is especially so with food , furniture and (houses too).

一分钱,一分货 is very true.

Watching movies is real cheap though!

cathylmg
28-10-2011, 07:31 AM
Jason, what about this scenario - buy 500k - take loan 400k, assuming monthly instalment 2k.(I think is around this range, I hope)
Rent out 1.3-1.5k (hope can fetch) then 500 to 700 take out from own pocket - this translates to 200-400 Sgd a mth...not so taxingly!!

I remember seeing people renting small terrace house at Setia Tropika for rm1500-1800. But that was actual transactions a couple of months back. A rental agent also offered me this price then. But now I see people asking for rm2300. If owner give some discount, I think it might not be far lower then rm2k too. So don't too pessimistic of jb's rental market. I think its all about location, location and LOCATION! ;)

jasonjst
28-10-2011, 08:00 AM
For the average Joe in a standard terrace, let me try to work out the sums for rental...

Initial prep - basic reno/electricals/furnishings - RM30K depreciate over 5 years (optimistic) = min RM500 per month..one can also expect to spend this amount over the course of the rental for upkeep, replacement, repairs etc..
Maintenance = min RM100 per month (rubbish collection and security)
Interest = min RM1000 (if no loan lagi best)
Misc = RM100 per month (tax etc)

Rental = RM2000 (if lucky) and soon soon..

net rental income per month = RM300 per month or about 0.8% p.a. over a RM500K house. Interest to the banks is the real killer...else is workable.

for some, it might be so much work and hassel for so little...for others, as long as can cover the house, good enough...wait for capital appreciation (if it comes) and retirement (sure come)...haha.

retirement sure come ? ... if only we move to JB lor , otherwise comfirm only got wipe tables / cleaner jobs for senior citizen like us , ha-ha .

spidey
28-10-2011, 08:22 AM
I remember seeing people renting small terrace house at Setia Tropika for rm1500-1800. But that was actual transactions a couple of months back. A rental agent also offered me this price then. But now I see people asking for rm2300. If owner give some discount, I think it might not be far lower then rm2k too. So don't too pessimistic of jb's rental market. I think its all about location, location and LOCATION! ;)

Thanks - this is one living example that rental is comming up in JB and is not as bad as we all thought it would be..
Heard so many nightmare stories from my jb frens so this together with some of our Bros and Sister in the forum here are living proof that jb is getting better and better...:-)))

With so many infra works/highways/mega projects comming on board in the next few mths/years, i believe there are opportunities of capital and rental appreciation to those who take calculated risk here...

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 09:46 AM
Just few days back someone here rented a terrace at HH for 1.8K isnt it ?
Consider low if based on current price of 600K - 700K , but is OK if owner brought it at the 300K range .

Yes, that is vincentck, he rented unfurnished at HH for Rm1.8k. He is one case and this is the other I come across asking Rm1.75k for BI. The market is more than one case mah. Who knows, it could be Vincentck is a good negotiator and managed to drive a hard bargain at HH?

I also wondered before when renting out my place in SG why another unit higher floor than mine is willing to rent out at much lower rental? The market is not uniform lah, sometimes it is becos the owners undervalue their own property or trusted the agent blindly to get a good price when the agent is actually more eager to close quickly than to get a good price for the owner.

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 09:46 AM
No prob, i hardly speak up anyways, prob was abit harsh in my earlier posting, but i still maintain my views. Having committed in a house myself i sure would love to c johor's property market 'boomz'...however i would also like to stand up n remind that home purchase is a major commitment, and over long term, speculative elements can be disastrous if not checked. As most who have purchased a house in johor and have been actively monitoring the market would know, as long as 1 house in the same estate is transacted at lets say RM500k, then the very next moment u c all houses within the same estate going for 550k, then of course u have the developers, b4 every new launch they will send out info that new launch price will be 800k, then owners will jump and start selling at 800k as well.....developers absorb stamp duty, discounts, legal fees....but subsale owners dont.....some home owners will be lucky to sell of for a handsome profit, others will be wondering how come developers selling so well but they cant a get a buyer......of cos not, becos owners are indirectly helping developers to sell n chieve a much higer price. 10-20 yrs down the road our next generation will suffer, inflation continue to go higher n higher....rich becomes richer, poor - middle income group will slog till they are 80, and still worrying abt their children. Of course we are nowhere near that kind of situation now.....but slowly n surely. So when i c an irresponsible posting, i get agitated.....someone serious into buying a house , did not ask clearly abt prices, then start to throw figures and $ signs around, now that is not being responsible....or for that matter, doesnt seem logical, how many of us looking for a house, RM500k (not expensive but no small amount either) will make assumption that a house is selling for ie. RM550k , tells the whole world, and then said that its an assumption.....i mean cmon...i knw multi millionaires who go ard buying without checking prices...but normals folks ?

Well, with regards to agents in the forum, i seriously have no concern as long as info are accurate, no misrepresentation etc etc. I say this becos there are many who are venturing for the 1st time in to johor's properties, i rem seeing sm1 asked abt which orientation to avoid afternoon sun, if these freshies get misled n misinformed, buy smthing then regret, then swear never to go into johor again...worse, go ard telling their frens n relatives abt it, then what good is it? Of course with the internet where information are in abundance, and with recent more stringent msian HDA (housing development act), 1 shd be safe in their purchase, thus today, its not just abt getting ripped off, unlikely, but its abt false hope, misinformed decision, inflated prices. Just go to online property portals n look up properties for auction and u'll be shocked how many turn up. We hardly c auction properties in sg, that speaks alot. Want to have a better picture, spend some time to check out KL's property scene. Its not uncommon to c a whole row of houses unoccupied, young couples struggle with not enough for their 1st homes, while these rows of houses are sitting there to rot. And its also not uncommon for developers to sell selected units to 'investors' at new benchmark prices, then again sends out a new wave of high prices....again false hope n impressions....i can go on and on but end of the day, like what wuqi said n reminded, buy within your means, and buy with your eyes open. Ok i shall shut my gap for now....im suppose to be in jovial mood eagerly awaiting keys to my new corner house , its gona be a long 12 mth wait...zzz


Bro GP (sorry your nick very long to type...... :) ) I commend you on your selfless help, like Bro Wuqi, most on this forum are trying to get a better and saner place to live whiteout running the gauntlet of being 'ripped off'. Thumbs up to you Bro.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 09:48 AM
I am definitely not prominent but i have bought 3 units resale, the rest straight from the developer. 2 to invest and 1 was at least 50% because i wanted to help someone i thought was my "bro". Anyway hard lesson learnt there. No issues with the other 2 units subsale.

The main problem (actually only problem) i had with a subsale was in the unit i bought from this "bro".
The one i thought was my only real friend in Johore.

Anyway its really sad but to cut a long story short, towards the end, didn't honour what he said earlier and made it worse by repeatedly promising (and not delivering) and not transferring DMC. Even said i maligned him when i spoke online about it(when first i tried to contact him many times and he did not respond for months) Then sent me rude SMS when i said i wanted to resolve this amicably. Maybe i wasn't tactful or nice enough. For all the shennigans, in the end, he did all this in vain. Lawyer side told me lots of stuff and in a way some of the people he knew also tried to drum me up to take action but i declined, just felt sad enough at that time.

Turns out in the end it would affect him adversely if the DMC (with HH and etc) wasn't completed (taxation and other issues) and then he asked lawyer side to chase me repeatedly.(probably fearing i would do the same to him)

I didn't want to make things difficult for him and by the time the lawyer side called me, i already did all the necessary things and paid up the necessary stuff so the transfer went ahead smoothly. He probably will never know this but i paid all the tax stuff ahead already for him before i even did the rest of my other properties, didn't want to affect him buying other properties as he is still young.

Still, no hard feelings any more but just to share all on the pitfalls, just get all the paperwork done and don't just depend on trust no matter how much you like or trust someone. Imagine, back then i trusted this guy more than alot of my family members.

I still do alot of business based on trust but i learnt a hard lesson in life.

Hi Wuqi, what is DMC?

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 09:54 AM
Bros who are thinking of buying properties here mainly to rent out. Only some areas are good, most aren't so great, at least not yet.

A bro of mine has several and most of his are terraces. His are $2500-$2800. He shared with me only has one family (his tenants) that he likes a lot (i actually recommended them to him if i am not mistaken) so always kept low for them. My semi-d neighbours has no issues with renting out at 5000MYR or more. These are fully furnished units, just sharing some experience in The Gateway, your mileage may vary.

I was able to rent out some units and some references:

The Gateway:
1. Terrace - $2600 MYR
2. Terrace - $2800 MYR
3. Cluster - $3600 MYR

All fully furnished with aircon units, curtains, dining sets, wardrobe sets water heaters, sofa sets, queen/king sized beds, lighting/fans, kitchen stoves, etc. Only things required are some shelves/cupboards and personal clothing. Average of 1-3 months within taking of keys to rent out. Rented without the use of agents except for the Cluster one as i wanted a higher price.

Hi Wuqi, do you need to do built in wardrobe for these furnished units or just buy wardrobe from furniture shops will do?

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:03 AM
For the past few mths of daily researching n reading up on Iskandar's properties, have found many useful info n insights frm various forums, of which 1 would be right here...and happy to say that i have secured a new unit myself. However since the beginning up till now, everyday i read up on new posting with mix emotions. 1st-ly im a msian myself (a spr), like many im buying a house for own consumption yet do not want to be too far away frm spore as i've spent most of my life in SG, where all my good friends are sporean, thus johor properties seem like a natural choice. Next , i belive what im gona say will probably ruffle some feathers.

On 1 hand being a m'sian i would love to see msia (specifically in this context, johor) prosper and achieve economic progress, on the other hand, i feel upset whenever i hear abt sporean getting ripped off doing business in msia, or paid for a housing project that gets abandoned halfway thru or...take the plunge into a purchase and got confused into buying something that's overpriced.

Now my rantings....in this particular forum which draws thousands of readership regarding properties in iskandar johor, im not surprised that there are many many johor real estate agents amongst us here, and i see some really clever marketing of properties. Well fine, as long as genuine house hunters get useful info, then all is good. But increasingly i smell many rats n smelly fishes doing their rounds in a bid to apply pressure on potential purchasers to committ on a purchase (there are only a handful of active agents in johor's market, by coming together to promote properties, its only a matter of time when the units they are marketing gets picked, so its really ok to remain anonymous n continue posting here). So genuine home hunters, do not just believe all that you read, property purchase is (no matter how cheap, or no matter how strong SG currency is) proceed with care and do your own logical research b4 you take that plunge.

Last but not least, to our friend spidey's post, here's my 2 cents worth:



My summary /interpretation is this: From a fresh reader's perspective, i would have interpreted it as: Damn, i better hurry up n buy smthing cos even at 500k i cant get a decent gated&guarded house....wat the heck, 600k quickly go grab 1st. After buying n move in, realise neighbour's house for sale for 400k for past 6 mths still no buyer, end up either auction or sell to his/her agent for 350k. End of the day sporean buy expensive/overpriced house, poor uneducated johor uncle sell house away cheaply, housing market gets inflated, local johorean blames sporean for high property prices. Well, i might get shot n flamed for this long posting, but i sincerely hope there are as many who will benefit frm my sharing.

Hi, GP, I remember you! You were commenting Nusa Duta is pretty good but lamenting the price increase and I agreed with you as a biased owner that it is pretty good. :) Remember you were saying it is nice and neat and even chic to a certain extent. :) So i guess you didnt buy ND in the end. Where did you buy? Btw I agree with you fully there are lots of options for Malaysians to still buy house at below Rm500k. Unfortunately Sporeans have to buy above Rm500k and restricted by foreign quota, do less options.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:10 AM
hi bro..i think your fears are unfounded...i am quite new to this forum myself...only posted after i had bought a house 2 months ago..from what i have read so far..i dont sense "many many" agents here..... what i sense instead is the enthusiasm many proud owners have of their new found nests. some times their pride gets the better of them and they start to "over promote" their humble abode. its natural la. if you sell flowers, you have to say they smell nice. to the extent some even defend their 'turf' if trampled upon. so this might give you the impression they are agents.


for me, i like to go to the ground and see for myself instead of just making decision based on what people say. if the place is good, no selling is needed..if the place is bad, no amount of selling can help either.


cheers bro.

"they","their","them"? Not us but them.. You not included in this forum meh?

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 10:15 AM
DMC = Deed of Mutual Covenant. Its basically a document informing HH, etc that there has been a transfer of ownership, etc.
I would save my money on custom built wardrobe. First find out where you are confirmed having the wardrobe, then measure the place, just got out and get one closes in terms of the nearest feet.

Custom built stuff, other than being expensive, if they become damaged, very hard to replace or repair. Worse case with one bought from a shop is to just replace the whole thing and not to have to pay guys to tear down things.

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 10:16 AM
Hey Gin! Yeah of cos i rem u, well i got myself a corner end lot at NI! :D well not as convinient as Duta, but it has a nice residential environment. Would have taken a unit at Duta but i was still in initial stage of search at that time. But no regrets, both are ncie developments. U are also waiting for completion eh?


Hi, GP, I remember you! You were commenting Nusa Duta is pretty good but lamenting the price increase and I agreed with you as a biased owner that it is pretty good. :) Remember you were saying it is nice and neat and even chic to a certain extent. :) So i guess you didnt buy ND in the end. Where did you buy? Btw I agree with you fully there are lots of options for Malaysians to still buy house at below Rm500k. Unfortunately Sporeans have to buy above Rm500k and restricted by foreign quota, do less options.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:17 AM
Take whatever we read here with a pinch of salt.

Certain things are over rated here. Not all things are necessary cheaper here than in Sg. If things are cheaper, they are maybe of a lower quality. This is especially so with food , furniture and (houses too).

一分钱,一分货 is very true.

Watching movies is real cheap though!

I agree with you, the main things that are cheaper here are house, car, petrol and utilities, maintenance fees. This is very important to cut costs during retirement.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:19 AM
Hey Gin! Yeah of cos i rem u, well i got myself a corner end lot at NI! :D well not as convinient as Duta, but it has a nice residential environment. Would have taken a unit at Duta but i was still in initial stage of search at that time. But no regrets, both are ncie developments. U are also waiting for completion eh?

Yes, I am waiting patiently. :)

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:20 AM
Hey Gin! Yeah of cos i rem u, well i got myself a corner end lot at NI! :D well not as convinient as Duta, but it has a nice residential environment. Would have taken a unit at Duta but i was still in initial stage of search at that time. But no regrets, both are ncie developments. U are also waiting for completion eh?

Oh how much did you buy NI if you don't mind sharing?

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 10:23 AM
DMC in general is a mutual contract that binds an owners responsibility towards a particular development....well, not an expert, but in a condo context, a DMC will spell out what u can do n what u cannot do within the compound....some sample terms are like: thou shall not indluge in illegal n vice in the condo/or in your unit, do not be a nuisance to others (neighbours) etc.....erm...but not sure if DMC is in a landed estate? Logically it shd be in a strata development...maybe othe rexpert can come out n share? Esssentially its liek a set of house rule that governs what owners can and cannot do.


DMC = Deed of Mutual Covenant. Its basically a document informing HH, etc that there has been a transfer of ownership, etc.
I would save my money on custom built wardrobe. First find out where you are confirmed having the wardrobe, then measure the place, just got out and get one closes in terms of the nearest feet.

Custom built stuff, other than being expensive, if they become damaged, very hard to replace or repair. Worse case with one bought from a shop is to just replace the whole thing and not to have to pay guys to tear down things.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:24 AM
DMC = Deed of Mutual Covenant. Its basically a document informing HH, etc that there has been a transfer of ownership, etc.
I would save my money on custom built wardrobe. First find out where you are confirmed having the wardrobe, then measure the place, just got out and get one closes in terms of the nearest feet.

Custom built stuff, other than being expensive, if they become damaged, very hard to replace or repair. Worse case with one bought from a shop is to just replace the whole thing and not to have to pay guys to tear down things.

Hi Wuqi, thanks for the info.

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 10:32 AM
Expensive! haha....i almost got the ND semi-d but after a couple of viewing i find it too big, im single n will only have occassional family & friends over for sat night football n bbq hehe, so i guess NI size is just right. got it at 535k with all misc acquisition cost absorbed by developer, its a nice (and rare) end lot corner, i like the end lot here cos its like a small corner/cluster with 10ft land as i do not want to have a tipycal corner with huge 20ft land. Its 32x75, so essentially its similar to ND's cluster, but smaller built up. Well its for own stay n long term, so i guess its alright


Oh how much did you buy NI if you don't mind sharing?

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:40 AM
Expensive! haha....i almost got the ND semi-d but after a couple of viewing i find it too big, im single n will only have occassional family & friends over for sat night football n bbq hehe, so i guess NI size is just right. got it at 535k with all misc acquisition cost absorbed by developer, its a nice (and rare) end lot corner, i like the end lot here cos its like a small corner/cluster with 10ft land as i do not want to have a tipycal corner with huge 20ft land. Its 32x75, so essentially its similar to ND's cluster, but smaller built up. Well its for own stay n long term, so i guess its alright

Is it the new lake precinct? I went to view the show house, it is pretty nice with wide roads. Oh you almost got the semi d at ND, yeah no need so big for single.

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 10:46 AM
yalah....i went back all the cluster sold, so i ended up looking at the semi-d 40x80.....too damn big...but would be nice to have a snooker table in the living room haha...yep NI has got nice wide road, mine is 8B lake precinct, and i like the fact that NI has got nice landscaped backyard instead of the usual backlane, next year we take turns bbq yeah haha


Is it the new lake precinct? I went to view the show house, it is pretty nice with wide roads. Oh you almost got the semi d at ND, yeah no need so big for single.

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 10:50 AM
yalah....i went back all the cluster sold, so i ended up looking at the semi-d 40x80.....too damn big...but would be nice to have a snooker table in the living room haha...yep NI has got nice wide road, mine is 8B lake precinct, and i like the fact that NI has got nice landscaped backyard instead of the usual backlane, next year we take turns bbq yeah haha

Yes NI got nice landscaped back lanes. Haha I don't like BBQ leh, very unhealthy lah.

yonglip
28-10-2011, 11:24 AM
"they","their","them"? Not us but them.. You not included in this forum meh?

Thus far this forum has been kept civil with bros respecting each others' views..be it divergent ones. Such agression only seeks to put yourself in a bad light. it only dents your credibility as no one respects a bully.

if you disagree with my views, just highlight it and bros here can discuss and weigh in too. there is no need to take pot shots at people as i want to believe that everyone here is mature enough to accept differing views. Only immature people get worked up over people who disagree with them.

No one holds the answers to everything bro. If you are expecting a tit for tat reaction from me...sorry to disappoint bro.

Cheers.

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 12:03 PM
DMC in general is a mutual contract that binds an owners responsibility towards a particular development....well, not an expert, but in a condo context, a DMC will spell out what u can do n what u cannot do within the compound....some sample terms are like: thou shall not indluge in illegal n vice in the condo/or in your unit, do not be a nuisance to others (neighbours) etc.....erm...but not sure if DMC is in a landed estate? Logically it shd be in a strata development...maybe othe rexpert can come out n share? Esssentially its liek a set of house rule that governs what owners can and cannot do.

Yes it is, HH has it as well as a sort of spells out the restrictions and the liabilities. Was rushing through work so apologies for the brief answer.
This needs to be transferred as well during a sale.

arsenal
28-10-2011, 01:17 PM
Hi Gorengpisang, next time you watch football and BBQ, must chio.. I will live in HH so not too far to pop over..



yalah....i went back all the cluster sold, so i ended up looking at the semi-d 40x80.....too damn big...but would be nice to have a snooker table in the living room haha...yep NI has got nice wide road, mine is 8B lake precinct, and i like the fact that NI has got nice landscaped backyard instead of the usual backlane, next year we take turns bbq yeah haha

ginfreely
28-10-2011, 01:59 PM
Thus far this forum has been kept civil with bros respecting each others' views..be it divergent ones. Such agression only seeks to put yourself in a bad light. it only dents your credibility as no one respects a bully.

if you disagree with my views, just highlight it and bros here can discuss and weigh in too. there is no need to take pot shots at people as i want to believe that everyone here is mature enough to accept differing views. Only immature people get worked up over people who disagree with them.

No one holds the answers to everything bro. If you are expecting a tit for tat reaction from me...sorry to disappoint bro.

Cheers.

Cool down bro! I just thought that it is fair that you should include yourself in your views of house proud owners who "over promote" and defend turfs, instead of stating it as a bystander view.

Batok Seri
28-10-2011, 03:00 PM
Spidey's summary is not actually far off target. GorengPisang's comments is a tad bleak. Maybe his advice is valid for Malaysians. I don't see any units up for auction or are selling below purchase price at his own NI or the Tamans that most of us are talking about here. Also I don't think I've seen any of the posts that he says smells of rodent. My nose very sensitive to bullshit. But the paranoia here is spreading though..

Those looking to buy now should not be put off. The premium you are paying is for assurance that this Iskandar project is proceeding as planned. You can see with your own eyes the nearly complete highways, spanking new estates and it feels that things are really buzzing. Those who bought earlier saw nothing but brochures and scale models.

All you have to do is think. Is the huge gap in property prices between SG and Iskandar not going to get any closer? Will many more Singaporeans catch on if they know about these developments?

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 03:16 PM
Hey arsenal haha of cos! your nick suggest you're gunners fan...well, we'll have bbq while liverpool plays arsenal

Hi Gorengpisang, next time you watch football and BBQ, must chio.. I will live in HH so not too far to pop over..

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 03:37 PM
Well, rodents or not that's purely my own observation & opinion, its not suppose to be a catalyst towards building up any arguments. However i would like to highlight a few points that got my attention, and thus my posting, the obvious 1 is this :

***************Nusa Sentral/Idamand - same case...intermediate is already going above > 500k********************

Having personally seen both, and bought 1.....it baffles me how or where pricing like this came from, and this came frm some1 who is restricted by a budget, spent whole day visiting showhouses....and went home assuming its above 500k......and then based on assumption post online for all to c, then sigh and say there are no decent houses available. I would like to stress that i have nothing personal against any individuals, but rather on misleading info. I dont c much point plunging further into any arguments, it was never my intention, but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

So, the fact is this: There are not a single intermediate units in NI by developer above 500k! only end lot n corner, nusa sentral even more far fetched, intermediate units are all below 400k! Opinions can be subjective, but facts are not. Facts pointed out is nowhere close to target, the ball just balloon all the way out of the stadium.



Spidey's summary is not actually far off target. GorengPisang's comments is a tad bleak. Maybe his advice is valid for Malaysians. I don't see any units up for auction or are selling below purchase price at his own NI or the Tamans that most of us are talking about here. Also I don't think I've seen any of the posts that he says smells of rodent. My nose very sensitive to bullshit. But the paranoia here is spreading though..

Those looking to buy now should not be put off. The premium you are paying is for assurance that this Iskandar project is proceeding as planned. You can see with your own eyes the nearly complete highways, spanking new estates and it feels that things are really buzzing. Those who bought earlier saw nothing but brochures and scale models.

All you have to do is think. Is the huge gap in property prices between SG and Iskandar not going to get any closer? Will many more Singaporeans catch on if they know about these developments?

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 04:00 PM
Peace to all, i am sure no one intentionally meant any offence be it on pricing or infestation. There are always good and bad about any place. If you just depend 100% on what people say, you will never get anywhere. When i went to US for training, everyone was telling me go there sure die, etc. There was even a Singaporean who went there around the same time who got injured or killed. Straight away people dissuaded me, etc saying its a land of death, etc.

Make your own informed decision after sifting through what you see here after coming out to see for yourself. People can tell you anything including werewolves, zombies and vampires but its up to you to believe them and if you like being controlled by blind fear. Not joking, up until recently, i still get asked by people regularly, does the houses here have ghosts? Will it flood, will there be a tsunami in Bukit Indah area. Can't help but feel a bit depressed whenever i hear of such comments like that when you meant well for people.

My main skillsets are in IT, yes i have some other skills but definitely not a ghost buster or psychic.

Again, come out here, see for yourself, do what i and some formmers here did. Take a few days leave, get a hotel and stay over on the weekdays and weekends. See if its something you can get used to. Try to find favourite food, etc and see if there are any real difficulty. Before househunting, look at the areas and see if its something you will be happy with, not just over weekends but over the years. Ask yourself these and if you still have the inclination to, then i am happy for you.

There is no shame in doing a u turn on the causeway, some have done that here and no one is looking down on them. Different people have different perspective, needs and wants. There are those who will not live in anything other than G&G, yet some others prefer non G&G and yet others prefer a very local setting with little or no security at all. Nothing wrong with preference.

As for pricing, some of the bros may only have been able to do it after work or on weekends, their time here may be short and people may make mistakes. That said, i am well aware of agents here especially those who post fake links or blatantly advertise, its their job to drum up interest but there are many folks here who are the safeguard here for the reality check.

Batok Seri
28-10-2011, 04:10 PM
His summary was that its hard to get a property with a strip of land by the side (end, corner terrace, semi-d cluster) presently at close to 500k. To highlight intermediates or others still available below 500k is moot because ..

1. not his type.
2. not eligible for him or majority here

but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

To get all righteous spewing brimstone and to take on the price police role is a bit drama don't you think?

crystal_tiong
28-10-2011, 04:15 PM
hi guys

i am back from viewing houses in jb today ...
went to the seeds n nusa sentral .....
NS is bit too far and no amenties ....
seeds price is a bit high ...
how come they say we can buy single storey as long is 500k above ? i read somewhere that only allowed to buy 2 storeys above ?

I still like NI for the price and location....
hopefully have some corner units left for me ....

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 04:20 PM
His summary was that its hard to get a property with a strip of land by the side (end, corner terrace, semi-d cluster) presently at close to 500k. To highlight intermediates or others still available below 500k is moot because ..

1. not his type.
2. not eligible for him or majority here

but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

To get all righteous spewing brimstone and to take on the price police role is a bit drama don't you think?

That part about the 500k, i guess he meant overall but yes, its not relevant to non locals as we can't buy them, at least not legally.

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 04:23 PM
hi guys

i am back from viewing houses in jb today ...
went to the seeds n nusa sentral .....
NS is bit too far and no amenties ....
seeds price is a bit high ...
how come they say we can buy single storey as long is 500k above ? i read somewhere that only allowed to buy 2 storeys above ?

I still like NI for the price and location....
hopefully have some corner units left for me ....

Well done Crystal. NS is far in until the new roads are up.
No, its still only 2 storey (500k), shops are still 3 storeys and above.
Seeds just didn't appeal to me, go for it then.
Between NI and ND, i am still a ND guy i guess. Some units in BH isn't
too bad and quality is really there.

Whatever choice you make, its up to you. :)

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 04:25 PM
but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

To get all righteous spewing brimstone and to take on the price police role is a bit drama don't you think?

I think he meant well to help guard against those blatantly spewing advertisement here. Peace to all. :)

crystal_tiong
28-10-2011, 04:29 PM
Well done Crystal. NS is far in until the new roads are up.
No, its still only 2 storey (500k), shops are still 3 storeys and above.
Seeds just didn't appeal to me, go for it then.
Between NI and ND, i am still a ND guy i guess. Some units in BH isn't
too bad and quality is really there.

Whatever choice you make, its up to you. :)

hi bro wuqi

yes i do love ND and BH but the prices is too above my affordability .....
buy within my means ..... hee
i like NI coz just becoz its beside HH , its very easy for ppl to find and can locate in the gps

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 04:31 PM
Haha of course not, i still have to work and a life to live, in fact i come online occassionally and most of the past 6 mths was spent physically visiting different projects to , like what wuqi said, see for myself....and i came on few days back to reply pms to another forumer who was also lookign at NI, and of course i stumbled upon that posting.....well, i suppose there will be potential purchasers who will appreciate my input, just as how i benefit from past posting here. So i think that everyone shd offer to help 'police' and ensure that we can all beocme more informed, make better judgements. Last but not least, our friend spidey shd be happy that i pointed out to him abt the affordable prices of NI and nusa sentral which are closest to his budget. NI end lot with 10ft extra land in precinct 7 is 500k b4 discount, less 10k = 490k, as a sporean (if he is 1), he stil qualifies. Sentral even better, huge corner for 500-600k (i cant be sure of exact price as i wasnt really keen in it, and only visited once) and best part they r giving 10% rebate, so if u qualify for 90% loan, then zero downpayment. But then again, im just sharing, no 'thanks' needed.


His summary was that its hard to get a property with a strip of land by the side (end, corner terrace, semi-d cluster) presently at close to 500k. To highlight intermediates or others still available below 500k is moot because ..

1. not his type.
2. not eligible for him or majority here

but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

To get all righteous spewing brimstone and to take on the price police role is a bit drama don't you think?

crystal_tiong
28-10-2011, 04:37 PM
hi GP

Share a bit of info abt NS , yes there is 10% discount but foreginers still have to pay 10% downpayment.
Phase 1 and 2 left a few corner lots and new phase 3 prcing will be ard 580-600k and will be launched a few mths later as what the sales told me today...



Haha of course not, i still have to work and a life to live, in fact i come online occassionally and most of the past 6 mths was spent physically visiting different projects to , like what wuqi said, see for myself....and i came on few days back to reply pms to another forumer who was also lookign at NI, and of course i stumbled upon that posting.....well, i suppose there will be potential purchasers who will appreciate my input, just as how i benefit from past posting here. So i think that everyone shd offer to help 'police' and ensure that we can all beocme more informed, make better judgements. Last but not least, our friend spidey shd be happy that i pointed out to him abt the affordable prices of NI and nusa sentral which are closest to his budget. NI end lot with 10ft extra land in precinct 7 is 500k b4 discount, less 10k = 490k, as a sporean (if he is 1), he stil qualifies. Sentral even better, huge corner for 500-600k (i cant be sure of exact price as i wasnt really keen in it, and only visited once) and best part they r giving 10% rebate, so if u qualify for 90% loan, then zero downpayment. But then again, im just sharing, no 'thanks' needed.

GorengPisang
28-10-2011, 04:47 PM
Hey ct, i dont think its becos of foreigner issue, but actually on your loan approval? EG. 90% loan then no d/pmt needed right? its best to check with bankers on that...any1 knws better? well NS have big corner lots, but i notice their end lots have no garden, its just a flat end lot with a couple of windows on the side. But plus point for NS is the bigger built up, slightly over 2300 sqf, so all up to individual preference/needs


hi GP

Share a bit of info abt NS , yes there is 10% discount but foreginers still have to pay 10% downpayment.
Phase 1 and 2 left a few corner lots and new phase 3 prcing will be ard 580-600k and will be launched a few mths later as what the sales told me today...

crystal_tiong
28-10-2011, 04:56 PM
the sales say usually for foreigners , only 80% loan ....
she also said deposit is 10k .....



Hey ct, i dont think its becos of foreigner issue, but actually on your loan approval? EG. 90% loan then no d/pmt needed right? its best to check with bankers on that...any1 knws better? well NS have big corner lots, but i notice their end lots have no garden, its just a flat end lot with a couple of windows on the side. But plus point for NS is the bigger built up, slightly over 2300 sqf, so all up to individual preference/needs

Batok Seri
28-10-2011, 05:23 PM
Here's my take.
Nusa Sentral, Nusa Bayu or similar devts may be cheaper but upside not as good if ever there will be one.

If for investment who is most likely to buy? Prospective Singaporeans subsale buyers prefer upmarket precincts while Johoreans will think you already crazy paying such prices to developers.

If for own stay. Then wouldn't you prefer exclusivity and neighbours of a similar wavelength. Last year I was all besotted by Bandar Dato Onn's Spanish influenced designs. But there was one intermediate joker who painted his whole exterior a bright Hulk shade of green and I went limp thinking of that unit in my field of view everyday.

Nusa Idaman belongs to the tier after EL and HH. Looking at occupied units the crowd there have decent taste. Anyway if you pronounced 'Nusa Idaman' as it should be pronounced, those within earshot will nod and agree...

"Yes... You Da Man.."

lastresort
28-10-2011, 05:33 PM
the sales say usually for foreigners , only 80% loan ....
she also said deposit is 10k .....

Hi Crystal sis, yes the sales is right, usually foreigners can loan up to 80%, but there are also some who managed to loan up to 90%. My family member actually loaned up to 90%. It's possible, but you have to check with the bankers before committing because I believe this is a case by case basis.

lastresort
28-10-2011, 05:43 PM
the sales say usually for foreigners , only 80% loan ....
she also said deposit is 10k .....

Do check if they will rebate the 10k booking fee/deposit as part of the 10% down payment rebate. Also check whether they will absorb all the legal fees, stamp duty, progressive payment etc. Personally, I would prefer ND or NI. In my opinion, Nusa Sentral caters more to the local community. But as what everyone here says, each has their own preferences. :)

If you don't mind resale, I think you still can find resale unit in The Gateway within your budget. :)

lastresort
28-10-2011, 05:45 PM
So far, in my own limited experience, rental is only good for certain areas and developments. When they do well though, they really do very well. :)

I would still suggest to buy the biggest you can reasonably afford for your own stay and to buy mainly smaller units in gated and guarded areas. (Buy only G&G where possible)

Fully agree with what Wuqi Bro says. =)

lastresort
28-10-2011, 05:49 PM
I remember seeing people renting small terrace house at Setia Tropika for rm1500-1800. But that was actual transactions a couple of months back. A rental agent also offered me this price then. But now I see people asking for rm2300. If owner give some discount, I think it might not be far lower then rm2k too. So don't too pessimistic of jb's rental market. I think its all about location, location and LOCATION! ;)

Agree with Cathy sis too. I believe in the longer term, rental market will improve in older matured estates too. All should improve in tandem at different rates though.

lastresort
28-10-2011, 05:55 PM
No wonder you are interested in undervalued land in Iskandar.
At just 23 yrs old, your hard work in your research on property investment has already yielded more knowledge than many of the novice investors whom already made it to be entry-level millionaires from properties. Your challenge now is how you can draft out a plan to get capital in order to turn your knowledge into action. (eg. one of my friend, having no money, convinced a few rich investors with his biz plan and they came out with SGD1 mil for him to set up that biz)

Thanks Bro for you continuous encouragement! To be honest, I have slacken quite a lot in my research, most of these research were done before this year. I hope I can convince some taikors here too! =) of course I can be wrong at times, so got a lot more to learn. Later today I am going to the Iproperty expo at MBS, so excited as I will be meeting some special guests from KL.

contra
28-10-2011, 05:56 PM
hello my friends,

i dont know what all the heated fluff has been about in this forum. sometimes I think we are just taking out the stress at work on each other. When our houses in JB ready, I am sure the temperature will come down a lot.

Just to share with you the basic reason I invested and continue to be happy about it .... My job is high pressured and deal with many time zones around the world and all kinds of people. Today I decided to knock off work early after listening to some crap from some sotong ang moh, and go to jb for some peace and sit out the horrendous rainy Friday evening rush hour on the PIE.

Hanged out in jusco bukit indah. always enjoy buying a local mag/paper, and sit to a meal at old town coffee (great sambal in the nasi lemak, it all goes well with their special coffee) and a spot of shopping at Daiso & Jusco. of course the customary car wash and petrol and durian (yes the season is back). The drive on 2nd link back to Singapore is pleasant and cool especially after the rain. I cannot wait for my house in HH to be ready, and the Coastal Highway the great equaliser for proximity to Singapore, plus legoland, premium outlet etc. Wherever you live in JB, I envy you already as what you are enjoying is the atmosphere. where in good ol Singapore can you go a couple of kilometers without seeing a human? The cheap shopping in JB is good for the soul. More importantly the ample space has an indescribable soothing effect. Will help me live longer.

I was really happy to be in bukit indah just now. I hope you can find your spot in jb. If corner/semi-d too exp, Intermediate is just as good. Is more built-up than over here pigeon box. Also more land as corner/sd just means more grass to cut and weeds to pull. :)

Happy weekend to all.

lastresort
28-10-2011, 06:09 PM
Bros who are thinking of buying properties here mainly to rent out. Only some areas are good, most aren't so great, at least not yet.

A bro of mine has several and most of his are terraces. His are $2500-$2800. He shared with me only has one family (his tenants) that he likes a lot (i actually recommended them to him if i am not mistaken) so always kept low for them. My semi-d neighbours has no issues with renting out at 5000MYR or more. These are fully furnished units, just sharing some experience in The Gateway, your mileage may vary.

I was able to rent out some units and some references:

The Gateway:
1. Terrace - $2600 MYR
2. Terrace - $2800 MYR
3. Cluster - $3600 MYR

All fully furnished with aircon units, curtains, dining sets, wardrobe sets water heaters, sofa sets, queen/king sized beds, lighting/fans, kitchen stoves, etc. Only things required are some shelves/cupboards and personal clothing. Average of 1-3 months within taking of keys to rent out. Rented without the use of agents except for the Cluster one as i wanted a higher price.

Bro Wuqi or any bro/sis here who has rented out your unit. Can I check with you whether you're currently contributing to the income tax when you rent out the units. Is it 26% after all expenses? I don't know whether this rule is the same as all other states.

lastresort
28-10-2011, 06:12 PM
Wuqi, health is worth much more than wealth ... :)

Hope bro Wu is alright by now.. Health more important than wealth!

lastresort
28-10-2011, 06:16 PM
Two things to share today.

1) Heading into HH/EL from Tuas, saw massive jam at 2nd link around Gelang Patah side heading into Singapore around 7 plus am. This is the first time I have seen such a massive jam which stretch over 2-3 exit of the highway.. possibly 5-10km long. My friend was struck inside the mother of all jams and found that a huge truck had overturned and and most part of the body is in right most lane.. middle lane is also inaccessible. There are huge mess.. as thousands of crates of eggs and some metals were scattered all across the road.. at least 50,000pc eggs were crushed. Friend saw the emergency team carried a body bag into a vehicle.. Not sure if its really a body but it could be some eggs that had been overturned. Hope we dont have such major and fatal accidents so often!

2) Reaching Horizon Hills for golf, saw the whole place engulfed with misty. I mean, I cant really see 50m ahead. Only HH has this special nature effect. It could be the rain all day and night long.. I drove into Gateway and imagine I was standing at Gateway and can't see the Golf houses clearly.. such is the mist thickness which enveloped the entire HH. I was told by my friend when he was leaving for Singapore in the morning, he cant even see the Hills entrance when he was at the roundabout.. he thought the world is going to end.

Anyone experience this morning?

I think i've experienced this before, felt like I've woken up in a fairy land. :)

lastresort
28-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Hey arsenal haha of cos! your nick suggest you're gunners fan...well, we'll have bbq while liverpool plays arsenal

Man U supporter here! :)

lastresort
28-10-2011, 06:27 PM
hello my friends,

i dont know what all the heated fluff has been about in this forum. sometimes I think we are just taking out the stress at work on each other. When our houses in JB ready, I am sure the temperature will come down a lot.

Just to share with you the basic reason I invested and continue to be happy about it .... My job is high pressured and deal with many time zones around the world and all kinds of people. Today I decided to knock off work early after listening to some crap from some sotong ang moh, and go to jb for some peace and sit out the horrendous rainy Friday evening rush hour on the PIE.

Hanged out in jusco bukit indah. always enjoy buying a local mag/paper, and sit to a meal at old town coffee (great sambal in the nasi lemak, it all goes well with their special coffee) and a spot of shopping at Daiso & Jusco. of course the customary car wash and petrol and durian (yes the season is back). The drive on 2nd link back to Singapore is pleasant and cool especially after the rain. I cannot wait for my house in HH to be ready, and the Coastal Highway the great equaliser for proximity to Singapore, plus legoland, premium outlet etc. Wherever you live in JB, I envy you already as what you are enjoying is the atmosphere. where in good ol Singapore can you go a couple of kilometers without seeing a human? The cheap shopping in JB is good for the soul. More importantly the ample space has an indescribable soothing effect. Will help me live longer.

I was really happy to be in bukit indah just now. I hope you can find your spot in jb. If corner/semi-d too exp, Intermediate is just as good. Is more built-up than over here pigeon box. Also more land as corner/sd just means more grass to cut and weeds to pull. :)

Happy weekend to all.

Thanks for sharing! well said. Like you, I've spent more quality time with my family in JB, now I treasure and appreciate them more than ever. Can't wait for Legoland, premium outlet store etc to be ready. If only every day is a weekend! :)

arsenal
28-10-2011, 06:27 PM
Batok Seri england is too good... Must be a lawyer by training...spewing brimstone... Wah.. A learned person..



His summary was that its hard to get a property with a strip of land by the side (end, corner terrace, semi-d cluster) presently at close to 500k. To highlight intermediates or others still available below 500k is moot because ..

1. not his type.
2. not eligible for him or majority here

but i will not hesitate to continue to correct and point out further misrepresentation, misleading facts & statements, unintentional or deliberate, by humans or rodents.

To get all righteous spewing brimstone and to take on the price police role is a bit drama don't you think?

iamapseudoneem
28-10-2011, 07:20 PM
yalah....i went back all the cluster sold, so i ended up looking at the semi-d 40x80.....too damn big...but would be nice to have a snooker table in the living room haha...yep NI has got nice wide road, mine is 8B lake precinct, and i like the fact that NI has got nice landscaped backyard instead of the usual backlane, next year we take turns bbq yeah haha

Hi GorengPisang! Nice to see another NI neighbour in the forums! :) At first when I heard your lot is 32x75 I was surprised as that is pretty big. If that's the standard unit size at 8B then I'd say it's an increase from Phase 8A. Then I thought maybe you included the 10ft land as well? A unit at 8A is about 22x75. Is your unit close to the lake itself? Btw I'm vincentck's neighbour :)
So when will is the official date for receiving your keys for 8B? I'm supposed to get mine latest June 2012. Can't wait!

iamapseudoneem
28-10-2011, 07:29 PM
List of forummers who have purchased or intend to purchase property in Johor. Hope those guests who are following this thread actively will also create their own account and join 'The List'. (Copy the whole list including this heading. Click 'Reply to Thread'. Paste it in your reply and add your nick to the list.)
# IMPORTANT - For new members, please try to make your first 10 post anywhere else before adding your nick to this list.

1. Wuqi256 - Nusajaya, Wuqi256 sisters, sister bf. Wuqi256's relatives, friends and colleagues - Total 27 bought so far in Nusajaya
2. Investor - Nusajaya
3. Analytical Professor - Kempas
4. Sanur - Leisure farm/polo view
5. Sanur's mum - Leisure Farm/bayou water village
6. Sanur's SIL - Leisure Farm/polo view
7. Jasonjst - Sutera Utama
8. Tansi - Leisure Farm
9. relaxmannn - Nusajaya
10. nusajayaphile - The Hills Precinct, Horizon Hills
11. Mahesh - Leisure Farm/pinggiran bayou
12. East539 - Nusajaya
13. East539's Sis - EL/LF
14. JazJoz - Horizon Hills
15. Lynn - east Ledang
16. TheGolf - HH
17. Grago. - Horizon Hills
18. Arsenal - Horizon Hills
19. Vincentck & Wife - NI
20. mathstub- Horizon Hills
21. ShawnLow - Bestari Heights
22. Skippy - Horizon Hill The Golf
23. LastResort Family - Horizon Hills, The Gateway, The Hills & Fairway Suites
24. Kaeel - Nusa Idaman , Hill side Semi D
25. Lord Aragorn - The Straits View Residences, Permas Jaya
26. cathylmg - Kempas
27. captw - Bukit Indah, Amelia 1
28. mallow - Nusajaya
29. IskandarRocks - East Ledang, Imperia@Puteri Harbour
30. euphony - LF & mt. austin
31. narmi - NI
32. maxpark - Fairway Suites, Indahwalk3
33. Avalon74- Setia Eco Garden
34. Yonglip - Bestari Heights
35. AbuGumGum - Sungai Chat, Johor Bahru
36. 2bFree - HH
37. Aisanbo - Sky Gardens Residences @ Setia Tropika
38. 29ers - LF
39. Weetabix - HH
40. SeriAustinian - Seri Austin, HH South Golf
41. iamapseudoneem - Nusa Idaman

I was waiting for someone to take 41 so I can take the 42nd spot. After all it's the answer to the meaning of life!
But since it's been awhile I thought might as well put my nick in to keep the list going :D

LeMans2011
28-10-2011, 07:30 PM
Thanks for sharing Goreng Pisang, i am sure that there are definitely agents here doing their job. I always like to believe that they mean no harm but as always, this is mainly about living in JB so its just to share findings. Maybe Spidey didn't really look at subsales? Its good that you shared this so people can see that there are still good gems around.

Speaking of agents. I myself was in the very beginning accused by people (not referring to you HorizonHills) to be an agent or having ulterior motives and even just recently, the lady friend of my Italian buddy even said loudly i must be getting commissions when i brought them to view houses.

Today, even though they were all here with new friends to look at houses, i didn't join them as i didn't want them to misunderstand but i did send SMS to offer my help where i can. I was busy with work today and just had a fall yesterday so wasn't too well anyway but mainly i just want to avoid having to explain myself.

One funny phenomenon i observe is, when you recommend someone a particular property enthusiastically, they tend to think you have something to gain. For this reason i consciously make a point to "reserve" my enthusiasm. For EL, i tell my friends outright there is a buyer-get-buyer commission and we can share it if he wish to use my name as a referor. (I told them, if they can "convert" the buyer-get-buyer commission into outright discount for themselves, by all means go ahead)

There are people who believe they can get a better deal themselves directly - they think if they get this through your referral they might be paying more because a commission is priced in for you. In fact many people think this way. A year back i spoke to one of my colleague about EL - when he started to cast his five hundred doubts on Iskandar i simply smiled and "agreed" indeed that Malaysia is indeed known for poor execution in materialising a vision. Recently when we spoke again about how hot the market is, he was surprised to learnt of my purchases and jokingly accused me of buying the properties while speaking bad of it last year. I said hello, you are the one who spoke badly of it, not me.

wuqi256
28-10-2011, 07:37 PM
One funny phenomenon i observe is, when you recommend someone a particular property enthusiastically, they tend to think you have something to gain. For this reason i consciously make a point to "reserve" my enthusiasm. For EL, i tell my friends outright there is a buyer-get-buyer commission and we can share it if he wish to use my name as a referor. (I told them, if they can "convert" the buyer-get-buyer commission into outright discount for themselves, by all means go ahead)

After the past 3 years here, i learnt to "curb my enthusiam". My colleagues wanted to come by yesterday but i couldn't move much. They are very very keen now. My relatives who bought Nusa Duta and who were so reluctant in the past are now so happy to start their renovation. Another relative who also has Nusa Duta is starting on Monday so asked to stay over at our place over the weekend. More than happy to oblige. For some reason, seeing people happy makes me much more happier than before.

Even my wife said to me recently, she said i tend to smile more and laugh for longer ever since we started coming out here.

LeMans2011
28-10-2011, 07:44 PM
Expensive! haha....i almost got the ND semi-d but after a couple of viewing i find it too big, im single n will only have occassional family & friends over for sat night football n bbq hehe, so i guess NI size is just right. got it at 535k with all misc acquisition cost absorbed by developer, its a nice (and rare) end lot corner, i like the end lot here cos its like a small corner/cluster with 10ft land as i do not want to have a tipycal corner with huge 20ft land. Its 32x75, so essentially its similar to ND's cluster, but smaller built up. Well its for own stay n long term, so i guess its alright

I thought that was the pricing for phase 7 lauched 2 -3 months back :)
Btw.. i too agree with another bro... i don't believe there are too many JB real estate agents here. I hope i did not sound like one for recommending the resale market

LeMans2011
28-10-2011, 07:56 PM
Here's my take.
Nusa Sentral, Nusa Bayu or similar devts may be cheaper but upside not as good if ever there will be one.

If for investment who is most likely to buy? Prospective Singaporeans subsale buyers prefer upmarket precincts while Johoreans will think you already crazy paying such prices to developers.

If for own stay. Then wouldn't you prefer exclusivity and neighbours of a similar wavelength. Last year I was all besotted by Bandar Dato Onn's Spanish influenced designs. But there was one intermediate joker who painted his whole exterior a bright Hulk shade of green and I went limp thinking of that unit in my field of view everyday.

Nusa Idaman belongs to the tier after EL and HH. Looking at occupied units the crowd there have decent taste. Anyway if you pronounced 'Nusa Idaman' as it should be pronounced, those within earshot will nod and agree...

"Yes... You Da Man.."

This i disagree. Nusa Idaman owners especially a few from Heliconia precinct have atrocious taste. Just look at the row facing the park/main road... those guys virtually changed their houses to 1970s styling. But talk about poor taste, the winner of them all goes to the house at the junction of Jusco/Horizon Hills (meaning if you are coming from highway at the first traffic light, look north east)

LeMans2011
28-10-2011, 08:01 PM
After the past 3 years here, i learnt to "curb my enthusiam". My colleagues wanted to come by yesterday but i couldn't move much. They are very very keen now. My relatives who bought Nusa Duta and who were so reluctant in the past are now so happy to start their renovation. Another relative who also has Nusa Duta is starting on Monday so asked to stay over at our place over the weekend. More than happy to oblige. For some reason, seeing people happy makes me much more happier than before.

Even my wife said to me recently, she said i tend to smile more and laugh for longer ever since we started coming out here.

Haha yes, on a philosophical note, sometimes i asked myself what makes my life meaningful?
I realised helping people and making others happy is one of them.

LeMans2011
28-10-2011, 08:09 PM
Two things to share today.

1) Heading into HH/EL from Tuas, saw massive jam at 2nd link around Gelang Patah side heading into Singapore around 7 plus am. This is the first time I have seen such a massive jam which stretch over 2-3 exit of the highway.. possibly 5-10km long. My friend was struck inside the mother of all jams and found that a huge truck had overturned and and most part of the body is in right most lane.. middle lane is also inaccessible. There are huge mess.. as thousands of crates of eggs and some metals were scattered all across the road.. at least 50,000pc eggs were crushed. Friend saw the emergency team carried a body bag into a vehicle.. Not sure if its really a body but it could be some eggs that had been overturned. Hope we dont have such major and fatal accidents so often!

2) Reaching Horizon Hills for golf, saw the whole place engulfed with misty. I mean, I cant really see 50m ahead. Only HH has this special nature effect. It could be the rain all day and night long.. I drove into Gateway and imagine I was standing at Gateway and can't see the Golf houses clearly.. such is the mist thickness which enveloped the entire HH. I was told by my friend when he was leaving for Singapore in the morning, he cant even see the Hills entrance when he was at the roundabout.. he thought the world is going to end.

Anyone experience this morning?

I went to work at 1030am today and ALL lanes were still blocked... yes i saw the eggs and i swear i could smell it from inside the car... then at AYE i saw a motocycle banged into a small car causing it to cave in, the motocyclist was an Indian man and he lay on the road motionless... ghosh this is the umpteenth time i see this on the road... another time i saw a motocyclist banged into an old Merc from the back and his motocycle was stucked in the rear of the car while he was sitting on the motocycle motionless like dead... all in all i have seen 2 serious motocycle accidents in SG and at least 3 in MY

avalon74
29-10-2011, 12:11 AM
There is no end to waiting, cos when it go down everyone will rush to buy. I paid a one percent for a condo in novena, next day stock market crashed, hub decided to let go of the one percent, I was very unhappy as it's penthouse with very good MBS n fireworks view. His analogy, why buy high when we can buy low later? Am still waiting ( neck very long liao) my analogy, why bother? As we intend to rent out. Which bank will give u the interest as the rental U?

My tots, buy according to affordability.

I concur on buying based on affordability & within ones means..

avalon74
29-10-2011, 12:16 AM
Hi everyone,

Does yOur property comes with termite warranty???
SEG gave a 5 yr warrenty as they did the termite treatment prior VP.

avalon74
29-10-2011, 12:20 AM
Aiya... i kan chiong spyder mah... but it's natural to be worrying lah..... its like when you get to know that ur area has termites problem you will go "huh?!" then you hear that many of the houses built by your developer has big time leaking toilet problem you will go "what the??!!"

Got money sure can solve problems.... got money can even buy land and build bunglow.... but the problem is.... no money.... thats why shift to JB...(okok...i know alot of rich singaporean here also shift to JB)... thats why buy from SP Setia....

Furthermore, Sp Setia houses are not necessarily cheaper.... a small 1750sq feet intermediate terrace cost 420k.... lousy quality somemore.... can only blame myself for not doing enough research before signing on the dotted line...

Actually think Setia quality is relatively similar to other developers so sometimes you do get a lemon.
I have a Intermediate terrace in SEG & so far no issues though my neighbour had a burst pipe..

yonglip
29-10-2011, 12:42 AM
nusa sentral is by country view..i don have good impression of them..i remember there was an incident at nusa indah whereby they promised the precint g&g and end up no gates at all!..i could be mistaken..also last time when i was at nusa indah, guarded means a oil drum with a manual gantry..don know whether got improve or not..i think they tend to overpromise...again things may have changed.

cheers.

avalon74
29-10-2011, 01:12 AM
Actually I asked the banker whether I could pay lump sum. The banker said "cannot".

Which bank?
I had been doing lump sum payments to reduce the loans with RHB..

tutucake
29-10-2011, 01:14 AM
Rental market is a joke in JB lah !
You move around JB , how often you come across a FTs that earn 5 - 10K a month ?
I have yet to met one in my 3yrs stay in JB lor. But back in SG, everywhere I go , I sure to see one. KNN , Singapore is the only country in the world where FTs stay terrace houses and senior citizen wipe tables and clean toilet one.
So who you want to rent your house to in JB ?



Actually think Setia quality is relatively similar to other developers so sometimes you do get a lemon.
I have a Intermediate terrace in SEG & so far no issues though my neighbour had a burst pipe..

Your neighbor had a bursted pipe.... Thanx man... Thts makes me feel better already... Haha kidding....
I try not to think abt all Tht have bee said abt the poor quality of sp setia already... Cos it really dampen the exciting feeling of waiting for the keys...
But keeping informed of how jialat their workmanship can get helps to lower down my expectation and I blood vessels won't burst if happens my unit is badly built.... Good to know ur seg unit is alrite....

avalon74
29-10-2011, 02:18 AM
Your neighbor had a bursted pipe.... Thanx man... Thts makes me feel better already... Haha kidding....
I try not to think abt all Tht have bee said abt the poor quality of sp setia already... Cos it really dampen the exciting feeling of waiting for the keys...
But keeping informed of how jialat their workmanship can get helps to lower down my expectation and I blood vessels won't burst if happens my unit is badly built.... Good to know ur seg unit is alrite....
For him, he found it during inspection after VP, so the rectification took around 3 weeks prior him starting renovations..
For me, not much issues except like wat some says that the tap & kitchen sink cannot make it..
however the toilet bowl & toilet wash basin are fine..

cockcansing
29-10-2011, 02:51 AM
I think i've experienced this before, felt like I've woken up in a fairy land. :)

Same here, loving every moment in JB. New hobby, gardening.

Cheers

euphony
29-10-2011, 03:27 AM
Adding on to arsenal bro. I am onto this strategy as well. Mainly because I am priced out of property in Sg. Also as a singleton, BTS HDB is not accessible me and resale is not bang for buck as owners selling are asking for hefty premiums. Private of course has an added premium. So I chose to go ahead buy the JB house and have the extra monies rummage the stock exchange.

One has to realize that winning in the stock market is not just about price increase, one can take short/long positions in SG/HKG/US or other international markets, current/futures, companies/ETFs/commodities/currencies. Offers so much more financial management freedom. If I were to wait till I can afford SG house, by the time I can buy into choice developments in JB, what kind of market would that be? What if I get priced out of the JB market then esp. good development in choice locations unless one is willing to venture even deeper into JB. This is something that would not be in my control. At least for now, I can see with my eyes and I could well afford it. And more importantly I am already enjoying the fruits of my purchase. A healthy and peaceful mind with quality living beats years of cramped up living in the pigeon hole counting peanuts to buy a money house. :p And I dare say, buying into living in JB, if you manage your finances properly can even speed up the goal of getting a place in SG I recently casually observed...


What GorengPisang said is true. Buy within your means.. However while one need to be rational, one also need to have some gut, luck and timing.
Singpapore property such as the Sails, Sentosa Cove was less than $1K psf at one stage.. 99 year lease.. It just doesn't make sense.. Property selling at 1K psf in Woodloand or Jurong also make no sense today... The easiest time to buy property is when market bottem from a crash..or it it when market is taking a turn to go up?

Isn't stocks a better option than property? or is it all about timing? Buy when there is fear?

euphony
29-10-2011, 03:31 AM
euphony, maybe you can try see buy from Singapore and get them to send to you directly from their warehouse in JB. I tried my luck with Nova and found out they could actually do that. Haven't buy from them yet though....

i tried, but the piece was not made in the JB factory unfortunately! :(

jasonjst
29-10-2011, 03:35 AM
For him, he found it during inspection after VP, so the rectification took around 3 weeks prior him starting renovations..
For me, not much issues except like wat some says that the tap & kitchen sink cannot make it..
however the toilet bowl & toilet wash basin are fine..

Takes 3 weeks to rectify . Can you imagine if it happen after you renovated. The damn pipe leak right behind your kitchen cabinet ? They came , heck out a big part of your wall to locate where the leak ......replace a new PVC pipe again. Are they going to pay you your designer kitchen cabinet when they are done? Worse of all , this happen again maybe this time in your masterbed room , 3yrs after you moved in ? Why ? because when the soil shift , wall will crack and PVC pipes will give way one . Especially in JB where some developer cut coners on the foundation work. The only way out will be lay a new pipe without conceal .

euphony
29-10-2011, 03:46 AM
Here's my take.
If for own stay. Then wouldn't you prefer exclusivity and neighbours of a similar wavelength. Last year I was all besotted by Bandar Dato Onn's Spanish influenced designs. But there was one intermediate joker who painted his whole exterior a bright Hulk shade of green and I went limp thinking of that unit in my field of view everyday.


:D your comment cracked me up. some people should just leave the job to interior designers or in the case you see, just leave it as is!!

east539
29-10-2011, 04:23 AM
Man U supporter here! :)

me Man U too...high 5 :)

Aisanbo
29-10-2011, 04:27 AM
Just to share an analysis to compare property investment between Sg and JB now.
I looked at median salary, typical rental and price for a 3BR condo in both countries.
I found that the "median salaried" guy would find it much more affordable to purchase or to rent a condo in JB.
I'm talking about earning JB salary for JB condo, compared with earning Sg salary for Sg condo.

I then looked at the 70th percentile salary in both countries which is more realistic.
I found that the "70th percentile salaried" guy would still find it much more affordable to purchase or to rent a condo in JB than in Sg.
Note that I guestimate the 70th percentile salary for JB.

& the thing is that rental yield is also better in JB despite the fact that it is more affordable to rent in JB.
So the notion that JB salary is not sufficient to sustain the JB property market does not seem to hold water to me.
It points to either JB properties undervalued, or Sg properties overvalued, or combination of both.
What do you think ?

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