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ginfreely
10-07-2011, 09:56 AM
Just down went with a large group of family and relatives to Nusa Duta to attend the lucky draw and lunch. Nice food, one of my relatives even won the new Toyota Vios so really very happy for him.

He really deserves it as he went through a bad patch and got lucky today. He was really happy but it was all through his own luck (which i hoped has changed for the better) so i am glad he came today even though he was sick.

We even went to East Ledang with other friends and relatives to look at more properties, the early terraces launched in Jan this year really went fast. Gone in two weeks. Of the 36 bungalows, only 6 are left, mostly bought by folks from KL, SG and surprisingly some Brits.

Also went again to Nusa Sentral and we took the new road(albeit still unpaved), it was passable to NI and this shortcut really saved us some time.

I am going to have about the same ratio of relatives to friends from SG from now on, really committed here for the long haul.

By the way, for those into HH, the new liason committee chairman will be a gent from Melbourne. :)

Wow your relative so lucky to win the vios. I didn't even know today got lunch and lucky draw (not that I'll attend but an invite to all buyers will be nice). Looks like they don't treat all buyers the same!

LeMans2011
10-07-2011, 01:53 PM
Haha how about for a change the latest update from Singaland:

Visited 2 launches today:
1) Miltonia (99 years) - located behind Orchid Country Club, 3 BR 1173 sft, slanted Golf Course View - S$1.1m
2) Thomson Grand (99 years) - CheungKong Holdings project - high floor reservoir views unit at S$1500 psf

Mad mad price...

avalon74
10-07-2011, 03:25 PM
Yeah bro Semi D not my cup of Tea for the moment.
Just to let you know when the Fenix Villas were offered at Rm 1.4 million (bungalow type) i should have grabbed it with both hands...
Now the Semi Ds are that price.
Yeah its not on the website...
What i cant understand is how come all the international lots are taken? I cant believe it/
Not even launched yet all taken.... All Malaysian developers are like this

Fenix Villa looks real nice.. but beyond my budget

avalon74
10-07-2011, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the info. You mean extra torrent.com? Can download movies for free?

Yup.. but you need software such as bit torrent to download..

Investor
10-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Thanks for this, Investor & all. Lets see if we can advance the above one more practical step..

A meeting is needed first in order to be able to know each other and coordinate efforts and funnelling of voicing opinions. We must have a condition to be no more than only three serious matters (eg. crime, passport control - we could ask for special express APEC pass-type lanes at immigration to supplement MACS and a Singapore Intl School). We really have to be disciplined to suppress the petty complains which has to be left at the Singapore checkpoints...

I was thinking about a potential sponsor for the meetup proposed (some pages back) and then I realised we have a practical problem. Not many forumers will be willing to reveal their true identities as there are some weirdos out there. So we will never know how many people to cater for. It makes for hard planning.

If we assume all the active contributing forumers only, maybe we have 20 or so people. If they invite people from Singapore who are living / investing in JB already that they know of, it could be 30 intending to turn up. But if 2/3rd (I am being conservative to avoid disappointment) dont turn up, it could be 10.. and if they bring spouses & partners, it could be 20 rounded up.

For this practical problem of not knowing how many will turn up, I suggest we keep it exclusive, at least for this innaugural meet...also lest we end up as how wuqi described, many more curious onlookers & freeloaders who come with extended family just for the food.

So let us start by being exclusive for active positive contributors to the forum only and assume maybe 20.



The potential sponsor I had in mind was none other than UEM Land, the Masterdeveloper of Nusajaya. UEM Land has the most to lose & gain from the success of the entire Iskandar, incl Setia Tropika, Austin Heights, Adda, etc....and Nusajaya residences (EL, LH, NI, HH). So it will be mutually beneficial to UEM Land and us.

They own the Urban Retreat and can provide finger food & drinks. We can make it a Sunday luncheon. 20 people is easy for them to get internal approval as well. It would be nice to have IRDA people (preferably from 2nd meet only) but we should ask the UEM Land people to do that as they will know who to ask who has decision-making influencing position in IRDA.

UEM Land also comes to mind because I know exactly the senior individual we should touch base with in UEM Land for the second meet...

We should take this one step at a time to show we are making a serious coordinated effort in order to be taken seriously by UEM Land Management.


If this step is acceptable then we need the help of someone (anyone from this forum?) who has already bought significantly into Ledang Heights or East Ledang to touch first base with UEM Land's Sales & Marketing. They will pay attention to 'big players'...


Contra very well written.....

Fantastic thinking and well thought through.


Your hard work must not go in vain... You need to re-post this several times so that everyones buy in is secured...

Hi Contra,

You've really looked into details and suggested a great plan but the response on this topic is rather weak so far, I guess only a few might turn up for a gathering :) Anyway, I've just given a simple suggestion, unlike yours which is more in-depth. I'm not staying in Johor and should be renting out all my units when they are ready next year, or might just keep one for weekend stay :confused: Haven't decide yet.

arsenal
10-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Ha, many people like to make comments here and there.. I am thinking of what plants to plant..


One silly sporean commented

Why your garden no carpet grass ah?

Looks barren....

Stupid guy.... so many plants.... how can be barren.....

He just does not understand that its extremely difficult for cultivation and carpet grass to co exist together.

arsenal
10-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Fengshui question..

If when main door open, one can see all the way to the rear garden... Is this not good? Any simple solution to solve this issue?

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:26 PM
Fengshui question..

If when main door open, one can see all the way to the rear garden... Is this not good? Any simple solution to solve this issue?

You can put a curtain in between or an opaque glass door blocking it near the back door. Yes its considered bad fengshui but something simpler like a crystal can solve it:

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/front-door-feng-shui-how-to.html

Your front door is where you set intention about yourself and about what you want; your entrance is a message to the world about who you are. If the approach to the world of your home is gentle and friendly, the energy you need will come to you. Since your front door provides the main access for energy to enter your house, if anything causes blockage here, energy will not enter and circulate freely to create a balanced environment.

Here are four ways you can ensure blessings and abundance enter your home!

Make sure that the energy coming into your home through your front door is unimpeded. This means a clear route through which the energy flows, but also enough of a transition space so that the person entering makes the transition from the outside world to the world inside of your home. Further, make sure that the energy of your front door is calling in positive energy, not negative, as this will affect your life.

How-To
1. The front door and porch should be in proportion to the house itself. Make sure that the energy moves inside the front door freely, and doesn’t get stuck on the doorstep because the entrance place is too small to allow in enough energy to circulate throughout the house. An entry that is too big in proportion to the home will invite in more energy than is needed. This can overwhelm the space within.

2. If your home is situated opposite a T-junction roadway, fast moving energy is pouring into your home. If you live in an apartment and your front door is at the end of a long corridor, energy is rushing down the hall and overwhelming your home. A crystal hung near the outside of your front door will provide protection against the rushing stream of energy as well as smooth the flow before it enters your home.

3. Does your front door open to a small foyer? If so, it most likely has a wall opposite the front door, and this blocks energy flow. Many think that hanging a mirror there will make the energy move, but it actually bounces the energy back out the door! Instead, hang a crystal above the door on the inside.

4. Center hallways off the front door can be problematic. If there is no back door the energy is trapped, if there is a backdoor, the energy can flow through the house and leave from the back too quickly. A crystal near each door (and any other doorways along the corridor) will make sure that the energy flows and circulates.



Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/front-door-feng-shui-how-to.html#ixzz1RijFerrF

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:29 PM
One silly sporean commented

Why your garden no carpet grass ah?

Looks barren....

Stupid guy.... so many plants.... how can be barren.....

He just does not understand that its extremely difficult for cultivation and carpet grass to co exist together.

Ignore them bro, its just in our blood to complain, sometimes endlessly. The other day, during a meeting, a lady was complaining to the management about parking. She remarked that the "Malaysians" don't know how to behave. The entire management turned red. We quickly changed the subject and remarked that parking issues tend to be universal and pointed to other
carparks as a good possible solution.

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:33 PM
Wow your relative so lucky to win the vios. I didn't even know today got lunch and lucky draw (not that I'll attend but an invite to all buyers will be nice). Looks like they don't treat all buyers the same!

Weird, i reminded them to remind those who i recommended and they told me that they have already informed all who were eligible. I think this depends on which one/phase you get. It was pretty fair though as my uncle was supposed to be resting at home and the draw was conducted by throwing a lunch bunch in the air by some government big wig.

There is this gent from Nusa Duta, Marcus Soh, he is a gem and i would say a rare helpful person in the property line. For that matter, there is also a lady there, Cora who is also pretty helpful. If i could vote for best service from a property person, it would undoubtedly be him.

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:41 PM
Hi Wuqi, Do you have a MM2H agent in mind? If yes, I am interested to find out more and would appreciate if you could provide the contact. Thanks.

I will be finding out more as there is someone we got to know recently who can likely point us in the right direction without charge. I will let you know once i get back news.

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:43 PM
Bros who asked about centipedes.
Yes, part of the inspiration for the story with the chickens from the old guys told me must have come from dear Mr Louis.
Others though, came from papers reporting stories about villagers who used chickens to keep the centipede and scorpion
population in check as well as from when i was young and sold then pecking away at centipedes and seeminly impervious to
their stings. For that matter, many types of animals prey on centipedes:

http://www.kosmix.com/topic/soil_centipedes

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:49 PM
Some pictures to share.

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:55 PM
More pictures, this one of our visits to the Coastal highway area and pictures of Danga Island and one of the actual bridges on the Coastal highway.

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 05:58 PM
More pictures to share

wuqi256
10-07-2011, 06:02 PM
You can check out some pictures of East Ledang as well. Always very nice, pity no more semi-ds any more though. As always, still breathtaking design and houses.

http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=east+ledang&hl=en&pwst=1&biw=1600&bih=728&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=mNoZTuaBJserrAeXqvTPAQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQ_AUoAQ

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 02:00 AM
I wanna bring my mum for cataract surgery as well.

Any reputed surgeon in spore?

SNEC's Dr Donald Tan. Did my mil's eyes which was very complicated case. All is well. But he only do walk-in case. Long queue.

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 02:04 AM
Cathy did the macdonald soft launch happen?

I went there few hiurs ago. Was closed.

I went to check out too. The security guard there told us not ready yet, change to 22nd July. Boy, my children was so disappointed! :(

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 02:08 AM
Hey guys, chickens are the best solution to centipedes and scorpions.
When i was young, the wise old men always taught me about the solutions
to them. It really works. Somehow chickens like to eat centipedes and best
way to catch centipede is to put a dead chicken under a tree. Centipedes will
come out of nowhere to eat the chicken.

Still remembered the aunties in the kitchen always had some frogs in shallow buckets. Helps to keep the mozzie population down.

Wuqi, but then you will have another problem if you have chicken. That is the chicken poo! :P

A neighbour did advise us to keep some frogs so as to to wipe out all the centipedes. No wonder when I first moved in, could hear the frogs croaking away in the middle of the night. I wish they'd come back to my house again at night!

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 02:30 AM
Fengshui question..

If when main door open, one can see all the way to the rear garden... Is this not good? Any simple solution to solve this issue?

Its simple, put a display cabinet or make a divider in the between. They'll solve the problem.

Also, if kitchen stove facing the sink or the fridge, put a small, tall table in between. That what I've read from fengshui websites here and there. Works very well for me.

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 02:46 AM
About 6am this morning, at the Malaysia custom, when we reach the checkout bothe, the custom officer has his head on the table. Yes, you heard me right, he was sleeping! I called out 'hello?' to him, no respond. I said another 'hello?' again. No respond. Then I tapped on the table, and said a louder 'hello?' to him again. This time him jumped up. Still blur like a sotong, he stamp our passport 'agonisingly'. Obviously still hasn't wake up. When the car left the bothe, all of us burst out with laughter.

What an amusing incidence. Perks up our day! :D

aangsc
11-07-2011, 04:17 AM
Fengshui question..

If when main door open, one can see all the way to the rear garden... Is this not good? Any simple solution to solve this issue?

What goes in , did not stay and out through the rear. Think about luck and wealth came in a flash and gone..don't think you want that.

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 07:54 AM
Yesterday night while returning to Singapore thru 2nd link around 11pm plus, witnessed some 30+ JB bikes racing with one another on the quiet and completely dark NS highways. I was already going at 140km/hour and they zippled past me one by one with their thunderous bikes.. Very scary indeed!

Hell riding. Wow! Exciting manz....

hangyong
11-07-2011, 07:59 AM
About 6am this morning, at the Malaysia custom, when we reach the checkout bothe, the custom officer has his head on the table. Yes, you heard me right, he was sleeping! I called out 'hello?' to him, no respond. I said another 'hello?' again. No respond. Then I tapped on the table, and said a louder 'hello?' to him again. This time him jumped up. Still blur like a sotong, he stamp our passport 'agonisingly'. Obviously still hasn't wake up. When the car left the bothe, all of us burst out with laughter.

What an amusing incidence. Perks up our day! :D

same thing happened to me always when I go Cameron Highlands and need to pass the immigration at 4+ in the morning...

If they sleeping, I will just reverse out, and look for another one who is not sleeping...

better play safe... dun wan what happened to the 2 girls to happen on me siah...

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 08:07 AM
Yeah my mum lookin for the walk in type.

How much did it cost ur mum?


SNEC's Dr Donald Tan. Did my mil's eyes which was very complicated case. All is well. But he only do walk-in case. Long queue.

cathylmg
11-07-2011, 08:17 AM
Yeah my mum lookin for the walk in type.

How much did it cost ur mum?

Can't remember how much. Definately not cheap. But very good. My mil been blind since she was young. Now both eyes also ok liao....

George Ong
11-07-2011, 08:45 AM
Living in JB


Actually horizon residence is a good place, I bought 2 unit from jacky, he is my very good friend ,all the while my investment with him is Making quite a lot of money , honest and sincere guy.
Previuously I also bought few investment from him, under his introductory I have make a lot of money . this chap idea is good only dare to recommend good stuff so I trust him .
The project location is very strategic and by the natural reserve , across the road is the linear park, fresh air .the view from sky is good.
I believe the potential gain is very high because the location is very strategic, 7 min can reach town which I believe so cuz jacky driver got drive me using part of the coastal highway and the view of coastal highway is very nice.
After my analysist I believe this should be a very good investment , the puteri harbor which is few km away selling 6 km away about RM 700persqft. After my comparison I see this building got 4 best thing in term of outlook,security system and location.
The issue u mention jacky already show me the proof and approval by local authority.
Yesterday I went to opposite the hill just found out not only got park and also water feature . good life , I think my life here will be very good a cup of coffee nice atmosphere, want to shopping is also so near ,to city and to Danga Bay 7 minutes only to puteri harbor 4 minutes only, I would suggest all of u go and grab 1 unit .

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 08:58 AM
Just spoke to them. They asked me to visit him at Gleneagles.


SNEC's Dr Donald Tan. Did my mil's eyes which was very complicated case. All is well. But he only do walk-in case. Long queue.

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:01 AM
Oops did you guys see this KFC video?

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/kfc-malaysia-staff-in-scandalous-videos.html

This happens in Spore as well iv heard from my friends...

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:04 AM
u know till date i got no balls to download big time in Spore....

In malaysia wanna download speed so slow and all volume based...


Yup.. but you need software such as bit torrent to download..

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:06 AM
saved some money

thanks to u


Bring receipt to the TESCO customer service counter for redemption (located on the right hand side of the main entrance, next to the trolley station).

I do not know if this redemption will go on indefinitely or just for promo period.

My last redemption was last week. :)

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:16 AM
Yeah response has been pretty weak.

Dunno what to do already....

Maybe online petition for starters?

At least still got some publicity ??



Thanks for this, Investor & all. Lets see if we can advance the above one more practical step..

A meeting is needed first in order to be able to know each other and coordinate efforts and funnelling of voicing opinions. We must have a condition to be no more than only three serious matters (eg. crime, passport control - we could ask for special express APEC pass-type lanes at immigration to supplement MACS and a Singapore Intl School). We really have to be disciplined to suppress the petty complains which has to be left at the Singapore checkpoints...

I was thinking about a potential sponsor for the meetup proposed (some pages back) and then I realised we have a practical problem. Not many forumers will be willing to reveal their true identities as there are some weirdos out there. So we will never know how many people to cater for. It makes for hard planning.

If we assume all the active contributing forumers only, maybe we have 20 or so people. If they invite people from Singapore who are living / investing in JB already that they know of, it could be 30 intending to turn up. But if 2/3rd (I am being conservative to avoid disappointment) dont turn up, it could be 10.. and if they bring spouses & partners, it could be 20 rounded up.

For this practical problem of not knowing how many will turn up, I suggest we keep it exclusive, at least for this innaugural meet...also lest we end up as how wuqi described, many more curious onlookers & freeloaders who come with extended family just for the food.

So let us start by being exclusive for active positive contributors to the forum only and assume maybe 20.



The potential sponsor I had in mind was none other than UEM Land, the Masterdeveloper of Nusajaya. UEM Land has the most to lose & gain from the success of the entire Iskandar, incl Setia Tropika, Austin Heights, Adda, etc....and Nusajaya residences (EL, LH, NI, HH). So it will be mutually beneficial to UEM Land and us.

They own the Urban Retreat and can provide finger food & drinks. We can make it a Sunday luncheon. 20 people is easy for them to get internal approval as well. It would be nice to have IRDA people (preferably from 2nd meet only) but we should ask the UEM Land people to do that as they will know who to ask who has decision-making influencing position in IRDA.

UEM Land also comes to mind because I know exactly the senior individual we should touch base with in UEM Land for the second meet...

We should take this one step at a time to show we are making a serious coordinated effort in order to be taken seriously by UEM Land Management.


If this step is acceptable then we need the help of someone (anyone from this forum?) who has already bought significantly into Ledang Heights or East Ledang to touch first base with UEM Land's Sales & Marketing. They will pay attention to 'big players'...


Everybody's ideas are good and valid, we can actually combine the ideas. Our ultimate aim is to create some pressure on the Malaysian government, no matter how small(at least we tried), to improve the safety of Iskandar region.

Attracting mega foreign investments into Iskandar Region is Malaysian Government's big ambition. (Let's call the Malaysian Government 'ABC company')
IRDA is a Malaysian Federal Government Statutory body tasked with the objective of developing Iskandar Region. (Let's call it the 'employee' of ABC company)
Mega foreign investors like Temasek, Mubadala, Kuwait Finance House and Saraya have big investments in Iskandar Region. (Big customers and stakeholders of ABC company)
All the rest of us. (Retail investors)

1) We can start with AP's and Lemans's suggestion of gathering the retail investors, anyone who bought a house in Iskandar Region is an investor.
2) Instead of submitting our "customers' feedback"(Not 'complain' but valuable feedback) directly to ABC Company, we submit our feedback to their big customers and stakeholders. Our voices will be very much Amplified if it were to be submitted to ABC Company thru the Big Boys. The Big Boys will submit it because our concern is their concern, since they have committed big investments in Iskandar Region.
3) We also submit our feedback to employees of ABC Company like IRDA(as suggested by Wuqi and Lemans), Khazanah, UEM Holdings etc. Plus other foreign authorities like Embassies etc(as suggessted by Cathy). Anyway, we just submit the feedback to whoever we think can amplify our voices.


Yee this time round where are the dissenting voices? Hehe you have 100% go!


Since Temasek is involved with RM3 billion worth of developments in Medini(their money is at stake if crime rates are high), I think getting them to voice out to Malaysia's government would be a thousand times more powerful than 1000 signatures from us common folks. What do you guys think?


I'm just wondering if there is anything like an "Investors' Association" over here. Although not everyone considers himself an "investor", as long as you purchase a property here you can be considered an investor. If we have an Investors' Association with 1000 members holding property amounting to a total of RM1 billion then that can be quite a voice. But even with just 10% of that magnitude, it is probably substantial enough to represent a voice to speak to IRDA. The significance is, IRDA would feel some threat of publicity.

If there is anything that can be achieved, it will have to be via IRDA as main stakeholder since their masterplan need to succeed. But this needs to be done carefully as we don't want PAP to be clapping hands and glorifying themselves there.


Hi Contra,

You've really looked into details and suggested a great plan but the response on this topic is rather weak so far, I guess only a few might turn up for a gathering :) Anyway, I've just given a simple suggestion, unlike yours which is more in-depth. I'm not staying in Johor and should be renting out all my units when they are ready next year, or might just keep one for weekend stay :confused: Haven't decide yet.

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:18 AM
yeah they said minimum S$3.5k for one eye based on complications....



Can't remember how much. Definately not cheap. But very good. My mil been blind since she was young. Now both eyes also ok liao....

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:20 AM
When i could have bought it much earlier i thought it was way too expensive.... Now really really very expensive...


Fenix Villa looks real nice.. but beyond my budget

Analytical Professor
11-07-2011, 09:21 AM
Ok red lady finger, french beans sprouted already


oops i did not mention i even found seeds for red lady fingers.

now now... thats interesting

arsenal
11-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the advises..

Regarding custom, I asked for white cards and they gave me a thick stack and ask $10 kopi money..in return.. Very nice..


Its simple, put a display cabinet or make a divider in the between. They'll solve the problem.

Also, if kitchen stove facing the sink or the fridge, put a small, tall table in between. That what I've read from fengshui websites here and there. Works very well for me.

maxpark
11-07-2011, 05:03 PM
read in another forum, the SkyLoft almost fully sold!

next, EL side launching their condo next month at indicative price 450-500psf!

at this rate, all kinds of barriers waiting to be broken...! :):)

ginfreely
11-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Haha how about for a change the latest update from Singaland:

Visited 2 launches today:
1) Miltonia (99 years) - located behind Orchid Country Club, 3 BR 1173 sft, slanted Golf Course View - S$1.1m
2) Thomson Grand (99 years) - CheungKong Holdings project - high floor reservoir views unit at S$1500 psf

Mad mad price...

Went to view Miltonia show flat too on one of the evening and the golf course lights are on, will be glaring for those units facing golf course....

LeMans2011
11-07-2011, 05:19 PM
Went to view Miltonia show flat too on one of the evening and the golf course lights are on, will be glaring for those units facing golf course....

Ah... insightful indeed... never thought of that but this can indeed be a negative point depending on how bright the lights are
The only right thing to do is not to succumb to developers' ridiculous pricing !!

ginfreely
11-07-2011, 05:24 PM
Weird, i reminded them to remind those who i recommended and they told me that they have already informed all who were eligible. I think this depends on which one/phase you get. It was pretty fair though as my uncle was supposed to be resting at home and the draw was conducted by throwing a lunch bunch in the air by some government big wig.

There is this gent from Nusa Duta, Marcus Soh, he is a gem and i would say a rare helpful person in the property line. For that matter, there is also a lady there, Cora who is also pretty helpful. If i could vote for best service from a property person, it would undoubtedly be him.

The sales staff are okay but i find the way they do marketing weird, why do marketing events that are only for some buyers? Such close door event is usually reserved for premium customers, but this is not the case here as the house type is the same and the price differential between each phase is also not that much. Basically they just make people like me feel left out.

cathylmg
12-07-2011, 02:52 AM
Ok red lady finger, french beans sprouted already

Professor, how did you plant the seed? Is it bare on the ground or let it germinate away from the sun first? Please share. Thanks in advance.

lastresort
12-07-2011, 03:15 AM
More pictures to share

Hi wuqi, if I'm not wrong, I've been to that area before. It's near the Orang Asli seafood area, off Taman Sutera area going from Perling. You will passby a lot of Orang Asli houses along that little road leading to the seaside area

Analytical Professor
12-07-2011, 03:19 AM
The soil provided by ST is not that great for gardening.

Quite clayish to be honest.

Hence roots cannot penetrate through the clayey soil which almost becomes as hard as a brick when dry.

So best to prepare a bed for planting the seeds...

You dun need to dig deep.... Prepare a bed by mixing Garden soil + Compost + the soil on ur land... Mix it thoroughly well until the soil is not clayey anymore. Which means u use a greater percentage of Garden soil + Compost.

Then you follow the instructions on the reverse of the packaging that contains the seeds...

They would usually specify the distance between seeds...

Now since u r staying there..... It is easier for you... You can just plant it anywhere... Water regularly (but dun flood it) and voila the seeds will germinate.

Sun wont affect since u r staying there and u can water it the moment the patch dries up.








Professor, how did you plant the seed? Is it bare on the ground or let it germinate away from the sun first? Please share. Thanks in advance.

Analytical Professor
12-07-2011, 03:20 AM
There is a nursery that sells compost along Jalan Bestari. 1 Bag Rm 10. 6 bags Rm 50.

So i usually buy in packs of 6.

Analytical Professor
12-07-2011, 03:23 AM
I think this was what mallow referred to in her earlier post.

Yes i used to do this as well until i got the MACS. now after MACS life is so peaceful. no need to worry if white card present or absent or got chop or no chop or lost or not


Thanks for the advises..

Regarding custom, I asked for white cards and they gave me a thick stack and ask $10 kopi money..in return.. Very nice..

Analytical Professor
12-07-2011, 03:28 AM
Yeah my kids were disappointed too....

Thanks for the update Cathy.


I went to check out too. The security guard there told us not ready yet, change to 22nd July. Boy, my children was so disappointed! :(

Analytical Professor
12-07-2011, 03:34 AM
I got almost all plants that we need for day to day use like curry leaves, mint, lemon grass, turmeric, kafir lime, lemon, banana, bitter gourd, spinach, red, purple and green chilli padi, holy basil, ginger, tapioca, onion, potato, coconut tree, mango tree.... Name it... la .... most likely there already....

Oh yea forgot got Colocasia (green collard) my favourite as well

I lost touch with gardening around 1993+.

So took a while to regain some of the skills....

My garden was in the hands of my maid for 16 months. Nothing happened...

And now i took over from end April.... And see the transformation sia.... Wah...im so proud already.....

BTW i dun lay claims to being the best gardener on this forum.... THAT AWARD WILL BE RESERVED FOR MALLOW for the moment.

You have to discuss with ur wife la bro what plants u wanna plant. Depends if ur in laws gonna visit... They too may wanna have a say....

Also its carpet grass or cultivation. Extremely difficult to maintain both.....

Oh yea got flowering plants as well...

but my botany sucks... dunno the names.





Ha, many people like to make comments here and there.. I am thinking of what plants to plant..

LeMans2011
12-07-2011, 03:54 AM
PropertyGuru.com.sg – Mon, Jul 11, 2011

Singapore property agents have been advised to avoid doing business in Johor because they may be unfamiliar with Malaysian regulations and laws.

Similarly, Malaysian real estate agents have been discouraged from looking for properties in neighbouring countries, particularly in Singapore.

Loo Kung Hoe, Chairman of Malaysian Institute of Estate Agents Johor Baru, noted that the institute had received several complaints from Malaysian agents that their Singaporean counterparts were operating in Iskandar Malaysia to search for and sell properties to their clients in Singapore.

"When Singaporeans purchase properties via their Singaporean agents, they do not need to pay income tax or commission to local agents and that would affect government revenue," he said.

Loo argued that Singaporean agents were committing an offence under Section 22D(5) of the The Valuers, Appraisers and Estate Agents Act.

He revealed that there are currently 98 registered property companies with 1,000 agents attached to them, while 20,000 freelance or unregistered agents are operating in Johor.

"Instead of taking legal action against them, we want to educate them and urge them to work hand-in-hand with our local counterparts."

"Singaporean real estate agents can pass the documents and desired property to the local agents so we can help them look for it," Loo added.

He said that the body wants to encourage unregistered Malaysian brokers and agents to take courses and register as certified property agents to prevent real estate deals from going awry.

"We want to prevent the unregistered agents from misleading or duping investors or property buyers, especially foreigners, which would create a negative image for Iskandar Malaysia."

LeMans2011
12-07-2011, 03:56 AM
Haha so much business in Iskandar now people start fighting over commissions. Aiyah these MY agents how come don't understand what is "co-broke" and "win-win".
The Singaporean agents so cunning and unscrupulous i think the Johorean agents will go out of business. Simple example: despite the huge market, every other person who dealt with a Johorean agent used the guy called "Ben"... what happened to the rest???

jasonjst
12-07-2011, 05:53 AM
Bros , after one of my neigbour rented out his house for rm$3500/= I am now very tempted to follow suit . It make economic sense for me as I only use the place once in a month for 1 day . Really love the place and feel bad to rent it out though , as my garden and furnishing might suffer abuse by tentants . But money make longer term can cover cost of all these damage . What you guys think ?

LeMans2011
12-07-2011, 06:20 AM
I remember your house looks very nice and it is a semi-D isn't it? Are you sure it is just RM3500 p/mth??

aangsc
12-07-2011, 06:24 AM
Bros , after one of my neigbour rented out his house for rm$3500/= I am now very tempted to follow suit . It make economic sense for me as I only use the place once in a month for 1 day . Really love the place and feel bad to rent it out though , as my garden and furnishing might suffer abuse by tentants . But money make longer term can cover cost of all these damage . What you guys think ?

Which project is that ? I am in the same boat and I finally rent it out as well because very tired of cleaning when we are suppose to relax there on wkend. Chose yr tenant carefully, I rejected about 5 request to view when I don't like the tenant backgrd.

jasonjst
12-07-2011, 06:43 AM
No lei not semi-D , just custer about 33x70 type , $3500 is good money liao consider investment is 400k . Last time should have buy semi-D lor

jasonjst
12-07-2011, 03:05 PM
Which project is that ? I am in the same boat and I finally rent it out as well because very tired of cleaning when we are suppose to relax there on wkend. Chose yr tenant carefully, I rejected about 5 request to view when I don't like the tenant backgrd.

haha, not so much about hassle of cleaning and gardening , in fact enjoy the gardening part. I think tempted to the money leh imagine 3500x12x10yrs = 420k which is one house free for me . Just hope can retire in peace in 8yrs to 10yrs when my children start working .
Mine is Casania at Sutera Utama , nice and got lot of makan place within 5mins drive away . Anyone here interested can PM me , save us some cost in agent fees .

jasonjst
12-07-2011, 03:17 PM
Which project is that ? I am in the same boat and I finally rent it out as well because very tired of cleaning when we are suppose to relax there on wkend. Chose yr tenant carefully, I rejected about 5 request to view when I don't like the tenant backgrd.

haha, not so much about hassle of cleaning and gardening , in fact enjoy the gardening part. I think tempted to the money leh imagine 3500x12x10yrs = 420k which is one house free for me . Just hope can retire in peace in 8yrs to 10yrs when my children start working .
Mine is Casania at Sutera Utama , nice and got lot of makan place within 5mins drive away . Anyone here interested can PM me , save us some cost in agent fees .

LeMans2011
12-07-2011, 03:48 PM
Phwahhh.... yet another dead body found in a reservoir.... at the rate it goes Singaland will be on par with JB soon...

avalon74
12-07-2011, 04:04 PM
u know till date i got no balls to download big time in Spore....

In malaysia wanna download speed so slow and all volume based...

For me, its either youtube or torrents for anime releases with fansub.. so the latter for me..

ginfreely
12-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Haha so much business in Iskandar now people start fighting over commissions. Aiyah these MY agents how come don't understand what is "co-broke" and "win-win".
The Singaporean agents so cunning and unscrupulous i think the Johorean agents will go out of business. Simple example: despite the huge market, every other person who dealt with a Johorean agent used the guy called "Ben"... what happened to the rest???

Haha Ben is not bad, his service attitude is one of the best among the agents I met in JB. There is another agent who was late for half an hour - I was on time - and when I called to check, he just said nonchalantly he was having lunch and asked me to wait!

ginfreely
12-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Bros , after one of my neigbour rented out his house for rm$3500/= I am now very tempted to follow suit . It make economic sense for me as I only use the place once in a month for 1 day . Really love the place and feel bad to rent it out though , as my garden and furnishing might suffer abuse by tentants . But money make longer term can cover cost of all these damage . What you guys think ?

Why not? An extra income is always good.:)

ginfreely
12-07-2011, 04:30 PM
Which project is that ? I am in the same boat and I finally rent it out as well because very tired of cleaning when we are suppose to relax there on wkend. Chose yr tenant carefully, I rejected about 5 request to view when I don't like the tenant backgrd.

Can share how much commission you need to pay to agent for rental?

contra
12-07-2011, 04:30 PM
Yeah response has been pretty weak.

Dunno what to do already....

Maybe online petition for starters?

At least still got some publicity ??


No worries .... I believe is the timing. It is too early in the Iskandar stage. People are still busy trying to settle in and fixing daily routines, some in the investment decision stages, and some just getting used to JB. Is thus very understandable many not yet willing to socialise beyond the comforts of the anonymity of the internet.

I am satisified to know that the plan can work and is practical. But glad I wrote on the wall to test the waters before I write anything to UEM. Perhaps when Temasek sinks it feet into the Wellness Project in Medini next year, another avenue will arise.

I know for sure there really is a "trump card" to contact in UEM Land who will sit up and listen. I am sure if we do not contact him now, in time he will contact us. Just watch out for it. He may already be reading these pages....

contra
12-07-2011, 04:38 PM
I got almost all plants that we need for day to day use like curry leaves, mint, lemon grass, turmeric, kafir lime, lemon, banana, bitter gourd, spinach, red, purple and green chilli padi, holy basil, ginger, tapioca, onion, potato, coconut tree, mango tree.... Name it... la .... most likely there already....

Oh yea forgot got Colocasia (green collard) my favourite as well

I lost touch with gardening around 1993+.

So took a while to regain some of the skills....

My garden was in the hands of my maid for 16 months. Nothing happened...

And now i took over from end April.... And see the transformation sia.... Wah...im so proud already.....

BTW i dun lay claims to being the best gardener on this forum.... THAT AWARD WILL BE RESERVED FOR MALLOW for the moment.

You have to discuss with ur wife la bro what plants u wanna plant. Depends if ur in laws gonna visit... They too may wanna have a say....

Also its carpet grass or cultivation. Extremely difficult to maintain both.....

Oh yea got flowering plants as well...

but my botany sucks... dunno the names.


This is good stuff. Inspiring. Some people buy land in Indonesia to plant food to ensure food supply. I think you are one up. Just across the border in your own backyard. You have also the raw ingredients to make vodka & toddy :)

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 03:26 AM
Share ur gardening tips bro


haha, not so much about hassle of cleaning and gardening , in fact enjoy the gardening part.

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 03:30 AM
Eh you remember my love for toddy ah?

Yea bro .... actually if i stayed there everyday got more and better results....

At the moment i live there only from fri evening to sun morning.... So not sufficient time....

Also live there during PH and school hols..



This is good stuff. Inspiring. Some people buy land in Indonesia to plant food to ensure food supply. I think you are one up. Just across the border in your own backyard. You have also the raw ingredients to make vodka & toddy :)

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 04:16 AM
Share ur gardening tips bro

AP , I know nothing about gardening leh ... But some how managed to get the trees , grass to grow nicely after one year of try and errors . My objective is to have a maintainance free garden ( almost there already , only need to do a little triming , insecticle if needed and fertiliser once in a month can liao ) . Got a electronic timer to water the plants everyday ( very important as I can only be there once or twice a month ) . I also choose plants that are very slow glowing type , and for glass I go for pearl grass . Mine is more for decorative purpose , unlike yours which can be comsume lor . I started with very cheap and studdy plants in case it dies off ... later maybe can try some more expensive type lor .

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 04:21 AM
I am keen to go for MM2H too.. All foreigners working in Singapore have the advantage to work and return to their country some days.. I hope to work in Singapore and retire in other country someday as well.. Malaysia is the best match as culturally they are very similar as us.. Won't be the sucker to GLCs, capital malls, NTUC, Petrol cartels and all the Public Private Partnership programs....

Gone are the days of quiet Singaporeans where everyone was afraid to speak up. Now for the future for us all to stand up. But even stand up in SG is no use, better stand up and pack and go to some nicer more relaxed place. can't wake, sick of the upper class so called hyprocrite elites. In malaysia where we have experienced so far it's so much warmer people there.

especially the people selling food.

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 05:41 AM
[QUOTE=arsenal;771125]Thanks for the advises..

Regarding custom, I asked for white cards and they gave me a thick stack and ask $10 kopi money..in return.. Very nice..[/QUOTE

pay 20 rm more can get the MACS or something like dat. i finally did mine, was a super brezze, they see, dun need to chop and juz go. all in less than 5 secs.

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 05:45 AM
I got almost all plants that we need for day to day use like curry leaves, mint, lemon grass, turmeric, kafir lime, lemon, banana, bitter gourd, spinach, red, purple and green chilli padi, holy basil, ginger, tapioca, onion, potato, coconut tree, mango tree.... Name it... la .... most likely there already....

Oh yea forgot got Colocasia (green collard) my favourite as well




I lost touch with gardening around 1993+.

So took a while to regain some of the skills....

My garden was in the hands of my maid for 16 months. Nothing happened...

And now i took over from end April.... And see the transformation sia.... Wah...im so proud already.....

BTW i dun lay claims to being the best gardener on this forum.... THAT AWARD WILL BE RESERVED FOR MALLOW for the moment.

You have to discuss with ur wife la bro what plants u wanna plant. Depends if ur in laws gonna visit... They too may wanna have a say....

Also its carpet grass or cultivation. Extremely difficult to maintain both.....

Oh yea got flowering plants as well...

but my botany sucks... dunno the names.

Mr AP you are so lucky, can already start. I wish i can start mine straight away. good luck to your garden. I plan to grow all these as well.,

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:11 AM
My wife says i am playing farmville by remote... HU hu...... using my maid to help me do the digging and stuff... But hi ya she needs 200% monitoring else she will yank out the plants while transplanting and the roots will be gone.....

Please elaborate on ur electronic timer cum sprinkler bro.... Cost and where you got it from.... I think i need it as welll especially during the super hot days......

Yeah if u dun wanna do a lot of gardening then a maintenance free one with sturdy plants is the way to go bro....

Where do you get ur insecticides from? i only use organic ones..... do you use compost? i guess not cause of the grass right?


AP , I know nothing about gardening leh ... But some how managed to get the trees , grass to grow nicely after one year of try and errors . My objective is to have a maintainance free garden ( almost there already , only need to do a little triming , insecticle if needed and fertiliser once in a month can liao ) . Got a electronic timer to water the plants everyday ( very important as I can only be there once or twice a month ) . I also choose plants that are very slow glowing type , and for glass I go for pearl grass . Mine is more for decorative purpose , unlike yours which can be comsume lor . I started with very cheap and studdy plants in case it dies off ... later maybe can try some more expensive type lor .

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:14 AM
That is right bro.

You save the white card filling up and completing hassle

Then must check got chop in passport or not...

Then must check got chop on white card or not

Then must not lose white card....

hi ya why all the hassle right?

Just get MACS and life is so easy after that.....

Agree with u bro



[QUOTE=arsenal;771125]Thanks for the advises..

Regarding custom, I asked for white cards and they gave me a thick stack and ask $10 kopi money..in return.. Very nice..[/QUOTE

pay 20 rm more can get the MACS or something like dat. i finally did mine, was a super brezze, they see, dun need to chop and juz go. all in less than 5 secs.

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:17 AM
But its a long process bro....

Need to prepare the land like a farmer like that.... Ofcourse can do short cuts like prepare the land only where you are planting so life gets a tad easier... He he.....

Then once you plants start to grow watch out for measly bugs and caterpillars. They can wreak havoc to your plants....

so organice insecticide is a must and repeated spraying.


Mr AP you are so lucky, can already start. I wish i can start mine straight away. good luck to your garden. I plan to grow all these as well.,

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:22 AM
Bro Bigfatfish wish you luck in ur endeavour as well. AS Jason said gardening is quite relaxing....

Surprisingly a lot of men seem to be doing it... he he.... staying away from their wives? an easy get away from wives without having to do indulge in vices?:D:D:D

Yeah its relaxing as jason said and to watch the plants grow and fruit is highly satisfying....

Although i could still say its cheaper to buy from the market than growing our own produce... cause our own produce is so organic that its so so expensive also...



Mr AP you are so lucky, can already start. I wish i can start mine straight away. good luck to your garden. I plan to grow all these as well.,

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:30 AM
yday at newton i paid S$ 3 per kelapa. In malaysia Rm 6 for 2. lots of water and sweet from the farm. ofcourse i know cheaper also have la... just a comparison

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 07:43 AM
of too malaysia to water my plants

need solution...

arsenal
13-07-2011, 08:41 AM
Where you gets those electronic sprinkles?

I am going to get my house pretty soon..maybe another 3 months? However, kid still studying in Singapore so cant live in JB all the time and thus need some electronic to help me watering plants... Btw I bought a Ramba robot from ebay to help cleaning the floor.. US is selling at 290... Singapore is selling at 995.. How to live in Singapore when everything is so expensive?



My wife says i am playing farmville by remote... HU hu...... using my maid to help me do the digging and stuff... But hi ya she needs 200% monitoring else she will yank out the plants while transplanting and the roots will be gone.....

Please elaborate on ur electronic timer cum sprinkler bro.... Cost and where you got it from.... I think i need it as welll especially during the super hot days......

Yeah if u dun wanna do a lot of gardening then a maintenance free one with sturdy plants is the way to go bro....

Where do you get ur insecticides from? i only use organic ones..... do you use compost? i guess not cause of the grass right?

aangsc
13-07-2011, 09:19 AM
Can share how much commission you need to pay to agent for rental?

I paid the market rate of 1 month for two years lease.
Don't really mind paying the agent as long as he work hard for the money and bring me good tenant.

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 09:42 AM
Where you gets those electronic sprinkles?

I am going to get my house pretty soon..maybe another 3 months? However, kid still studying in Singapore so cant live in JB all the time and thus need some electronic to help me watering plants... Btw I bought a Ramba robot from ebay to help cleaning the floor.. US is selling at 290... Singapore is selling at 995.. How to live in Singapore when everything is so expensive?

Bought at ebay usa , like this can liao http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GILMOUR-9500-ELECTRONIC-GARDEN-WATER-HOSE-TIMER-/110687789520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c581a1d0 , buy simple but good one hor ! Have been using this for 2yrs no problem so far . First must lay all the pipes to watering pts , maybe about 1 to 2m per point . All this goes to your timer which is conected to your tap which must be on at all time . Use sprinkle head like this http://cgi.ebay.com/Toro-Lawn-Genie-Shrub-Garden-Rotor-Sprinkler-adjustable-/160617170931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25658787f3 will work well . ( Not all sprinkler nozzles will work ) . Also make sure water presure is pretty high otherwise sprinker nozzles will not rotate hor !
Oh yes you can lay pipes under ground if you wish , look neater but if you wanted alteration became very difficult liao . If you want to see actual working of these sprinkles can visit me at my house lor ..
All pipes and fitting can easily get at JB hardware shop , whole setup should be less than 350 buck lar . BTW AP , I bought my insecticle at the nursery at the temple alone Bestari , very effective and I dont think is organic.

arsenal
13-07-2011, 09:56 AM
Bought at ebay usa , like this can liao http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GILMOUR-9500-ELECTRONIC-GARDEN-WATER-HOSE-TIMER-/110687789520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c581a1d0 , buy simple but good one hor ! Have been using this for 2yrs no problem so far . First must lay all the pipes to watering pts , maybe about 1 to 2m per point . All this goes to your timer which is conected to your tap which must be on at all time . Use sprinkle head like this http://cgi.ebay.com/Toro-Lawn-Genie-Shrub-Garden-Rotor-Sprinkler-adjustable-/160617170931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25658787f3 will work well . ( Not all sprinkler nozzles will work ) . Also make sure water presure is pretty high otherwise sprinker nozzles will not rotate hor !
Oh yes you can lay pipes under ground if you wish , look neater but if you wanted alteration became very difficult liao . If you want to see actual working of these sprinkles can visit me at my house lor ..
All pipes and fitting can easily get at JB hardware shop , whole setup should be less than 350 buck lar . BTW AP , I bought my insecticle at the nursery at the temple alone Bestari , very effective and I dont think is organic.

Wah! thank you! very interesting.. Will visit your house one day!

austin_hts
13-07-2011, 11:03 AM
It's durian season. Anyone knows of any good durian plantations to get durians?
My neighbour's relatives got D101 for RM4 / Kg - very fresh and shiok. Gave us a few. Will have to ask for the exact location of the plantation next time ....

I bought good durians from hawker at abt RM22/Kg for Mao Shan and RM10/Kg for D13 ...

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Bro Bigfatfish wish you luck in ur endeavour as well. AS Jason said gardening is quite relaxing....

Surprisingly a lot of men seem to be doing it... he he.... staying away from their wives? an easy get away from wives without having to do indulge in vices?:D:D:D

Yeah its relaxing as jason said and to watch the plants grow and fruit is highly satisfying....

Although i could still say its cheaper to buy from the market than growing our own produce... cause our own produce is so organic that its so so expensive also...


The only hobby which wife can’t complaint lor ... . After a hard day work in the garden, she may even pamper you on the bed
haha!

mallow
13-07-2011, 01:03 PM
Hi AP
I posted to your flattering award on my gardening two days ago, and somehow it did not get uploaded. Thank you! My husband does the hard work while I swan around looking countrified. In return for your flattery, send me yr snailmail address and I'll send you some super kacang botor seeds. Others willing to send stamped envelopes also can get free seeds.

Clayey soil is a problem for most of us. Here is some advice from the net:

1. Add coarse sand to the clay soil, after it has been dug down and tilled over. Helps break up the clay. Use sparingly and see how the effect is first. Some peole think it almost makes concrete.
2. Do you need to lime and how much to lime – measuring pH
Measuring Soil Acidity (pH level)
You can buy various types of test kit, often you mix a soil sample with water then compare a colour change to a chart, but this is a bit of a pain for taking more than a couple of samples. I use an electronic meter, which is much easier just requiring polishing and inserting into wet soil.
Whichever kit you use, it will come with instructions and will give you a reading. Never make a judgement on the basis of just one test. You may have hit a spot particularly high or low pH. Take samples or test from a number of spots and this will give you a much better general view of your soil’s acidity level.

Agricultural Lime or Garden Lime is made from pulverized limestone or chalk. As well as raising the pH it will provide calcium for the crops and trace nutrients. Some recent experiments are indicating our soils may well benefit from the addition of rock dust, adding trace nutrients to the soil. Dolomite Lime is similar to garden lime but contains a higher percentage of magnesium.
3. The first thing you have to do in order to turn your clay soil into fresh-smelling, enriched dirt is to rototill the ground. There is no getting around it; the ground has to be plowed and tilled before you can mix in organic matter. Anyone who has rototilled clay soil will tell you to be prepared for a workout because it will feel like you are trying to till through concrete. Waiting until after a good rain when the ground is softer is not going to help with clay soil because water only makes clay clump more.
4. Enrich the soil - the main objective is to improve aeration and drainage. Add organic compost to your soil. Compost will add nutrients to the soil, but the most benefit it will have for clay soil is to intersperse air into it. Plant roots need air. Clay soil's composition is dense with little air. It can actually suffocate a plant. Compost allows water to drain more freely. Clay soil holds on to water and causes root rot in many types of plants. Layer approximately 2 inches of compost over the top of the worked clay soil. Mix it in thoroughly.
Conduct the ball squeeze soil test. Grab a handful of soil after the compost enrichment. Squeeze the soil and then open your hand. The soil should break apart easily. If the soil holds the shape of your hand, it needs more compost. Layer an inch over the top and work it in. Redo the hand test. Add more compost, if necessary.

erm ... a compost heap is TERRIFIC. For neat gardens, get one of the plastic ones with a handle to turn the stuff: in goes all the kitchen veg and fruit peelings, newspaper and other paper stuff. Uses up all this stuff and makes great soil.

I am happy to share worms and info with anyone who wants to start a home worm farm - cannot find the worms except in Penang. Amazingly good fertiliser in clean worm pee and castings. Anyone?

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 01:04 PM
It's durian season. Anyone knows of any good durian plantations to get durians?
My neighbour's relatives got D101 for RM4 / Kg - very fresh and shiok. Gave us a few. Will have to ask for the exact location of the plantation next time ....

I bought good durians from hawker at abt RM22/Kg for Mao Shan and RM10/Kg for D13 ...

AP is going to plant 2 Mao Shan durian tree and invite all of you for durian session few yrs time .. can charge us 22 per kg lor / I think pine tree is less useful

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Wow Mallow , this is just too much for us to handle .... thanks anyway . Look like very difficult to plant veg hor

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 03:49 PM
Since you mention this, i shall take a foto or a few fotos of a place i know here in Sinkieland. This person has been planting for around ten years. I can only drip salivia and envy his really beautiful painstaking garden. it's such a beautiful garden, secret garden.


But its a long process bro....

Need to prepare the land like a farmer like that.... Ofcourse can do short cuts like prepare the land only where you are planting so life gets a tad easier... He he.....

Then once you plants start to grow watch out for measly bugs and caterpillars. They can wreak havoc to your plants....

so organice insecticide is a must and repeated spraying.

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 03:53 PM
For now i do mine along the corridor, not as extensive as how i wish it to be. I gave up my entire garden and donated to a friend's dad. 2 lorry full of plants. very heardpain but at least once HH is ready, i will go over back to his place and do transplant on the plants bit by bit. eating our own produce gives us full satisfaction. :)



Bro Bigfatfish wish you luck in ur endeavour as well. AS Jason said gardening is quite relaxing....

Surprisingly a lot of men seem to be doing it... he he.... staying away from their wives? an easy get away from wives without having to do indulge in vices?:D:D:D

Yeah its relaxing as jason said and to watch the plants grow and fruit is highly satisfying....

Although i could still say its cheaper to buy from the market than growing our own produce... cause our own produce is so organic that its so so expensive also...

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 03:57 PM
The only hobby which wife can’t complaint lor ... . After a hard day work in the garden, she may even pamper you on the bed
haha!

My dear will surely read this part. Gardening is hard work. Back to human instinct, kampung farmer's life. :p

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 04:01 PM
Hi Mallow

for sure would like or need your help for the worms. Did you buy the blue worms or other type? i would like some then can bring them back here.



Hi AP
I posted to your flattering award on my gardening two days ago, and somehow it did not get uploaded. Thank you! My husband does the hard work while I swan around looking countrified. In return for your flattery, send me yr snailmail address and I'll send you some super kacang botor seeds. Others willing to send stamped envelopes also can get free seeds.

Clayey soil is a problem for most of us. Here is some advice from the net:

1. Add coarse sand to the clay soil, after it has been dug down and tilled over. Helps break up the clay. Use sparingly and see how the effect is first. Some peole think it almost makes concrete.
2. Do you need to lime and how much to lime – measuring pH
Measuring Soil Acidity (pH level)
You can buy various types of test kit, often you mix a soil sample with water then compare a colour change to a chart, but this is a bit of a pain for taking more than a couple of samples. I use an electronic meter, which is much easier just requiring polishing and inserting into wet soil.
Whichever kit you use, it will come with instructions and will give you a reading. Never make a judgement on the basis of just one test. You may have hit a spot particularly high or low pH. Take samples or test from a number of spots and this will give you a much better general view of your soil’s acidity level.

Agricultural Lime or Garden Lime is made from pulverized limestone or chalk. As well as raising the pH it will provide calcium for the crops and trace nutrients. Some recent experiments are indicating our soils may well benefit from the addition of rock dust, adding trace nutrients to the soil. Dolomite Lime is similar to garden lime but contains a higher percentage of magnesium.
3. The first thing you have to do in order to turn your clay soil into fresh-smelling, enriched dirt is to rototill the ground. There is no getting around it; the ground has to be plowed and tilled before you can mix in organic matter. Anyone who has rototilled clay soil will tell you to be prepared for a workout because it will feel like you are trying to till through concrete. Waiting until after a good rain when the ground is softer is not going to help with clay soil because water only makes clay clump more.
4. Enrich the soil - the main objective is to improve aeration and drainage. Add organic compost to your soil. Compost will add nutrients to the soil, but the most benefit it will have for clay soil is to intersperse air into it. Plant roots need air. Clay soil's composition is dense with little air. It can actually suffocate a plant. Compost allows water to drain more freely. Clay soil holds on to water and causes root rot in many types of plants. Layer approximately 2 inches of compost over the top of the worked clay soil. Mix it in thoroughly.
Conduct the ball squeeze soil test. Grab a handful of soil after the compost enrichment. Squeeze the soil and then open your hand. The soil should break apart easily. If the soil holds the shape of your hand, it needs more compost. Layer an inch over the top and work it in. Redo the hand test. Add more compost, if necessary.

erm ... a compost heap is TERRIFIC. For neat gardens, get one of the plastic ones with a handle to turn the stuff: in goes all the kitchen veg and fruit peelings, newspaper and other paper stuff. Uses up all this stuff and makes great soil.

I am happy to share worms and info with anyone who wants to start a home worm farm - cannot find the worms except in Penang. Amazingly good fertiliser in clean worm pee and castings. Anyone?

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 04:07 PM
Forgot a message. If anyone is interested in a corner unit at Setia tropika, can let me know and i will ask owner to contact you. nicely done up already. selling at around 500 plus plus . pls contact owner direct. you can pm me for the number.

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 04:10 PM
For now i do mine along the corridor, not as extensive as how i wish it to be. I gave up my entire garden and donated to a friend's dad. 2 lorry full of plants. very heardpain but at least once HH is ready, i will go over back to his place and do transplant on the plants bit by bit. eating our own produce gives us full satisfaction. :)

Wow , you guys damn pro and serious man ! Possible that we buy a plot of cheap agriculture land in JB and start a plantation ? I heard plam oil is good profitable biz leh .
Say we buy a plot of land for 400K + 100K working capital , we invite 50 member here to join the investment , can work or not ? Additional space can plant some durian , mangos for sales to sinkie visiting during weekends ! Can appoint Mallow our expert in agriculture and wuqi for sale and marketing lor ! We can make the farm like a tourist spot for Sinkies too . Only 10K per share lor , who know can grow into big biz in 5 to 10 yrs times ?

Bigfatfish
13-07-2011, 04:13 PM
A friend of mine who stays in johor is asking me to do something like this but very vague. might be meeting him agian to check it out again. can't remember how much he told me the land was.



Wow , you guys damn pro and serious man ! Possible that we buy a plot of cheap agriculture land in JB and start a plantation ? I heard plam oil is good profitable biz leh .
Say we buy a plot of land for 400K + 100K working capital , we invite 50 member here to join the investment , can work or not ? Additional space can plant some durian , mangos for sales to sinkie visiting during weekends ! Can appoint Mallow our expert in agriculture and wuqi for sale and marketing lor ! We can make the farm like a tourist spot for Sinkies too . Only 10K per share lor , who know can grow into big biz in 5 to 10 yrs times ?

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 04:55 PM
A friend of mine who stays in johor is asking me to do something like this but very vague. might be meeting him agian to check it out again. can't remember how much he told me the land was.

Can someone do a feasible study and maybe a biz plan so that ppl here can invest in it lor. Imaging 1Kg of Mao Shan durian sell rm22 to sinkies , one haverst can be few tons leh !

ginfreely
13-07-2011, 05:35 PM
I paid the market rate of 1 month for two years lease.
Don't really mind paying the agent as long as he work hard for the money and bring me good tenant.

Thanks for the info. Congrats on renting out!

mallow
13-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Wow Mallow , this is just too much for us to handle .... thanks anyway . Look like very difficult to plant veg hor

Sorry - may have been too cheem and detailed. Speaking to a Prof what, so cannot anyhow chin chye reply.

Short form: Add a little lime and coarse sand to the clay soil, plus lots of organic material. Dig in like crazy [hire two happy grunts to dig on their day off]. Be patient and for each plant, dig a hole a bit deeper, to fill with good soil and organic fertiliser. Chuck in your seeds and keep watered sufficiently. Talk nicely to the plants. God and the sun will do the rest.

You cannot imagine the joy of the first shoots pushing vigorously through the soil. Then when you pick your first bean or ladies finger, your pride will know no bounds!

Simply try it. Who the heck will know if a snail came along or you forgot to water the plants and no rain helped out so they all wilted and could not recover? Try again, and this time you will know better and have even more luck.

mallow
13-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Hi Mallow for sure would like or need your help for the worms. Did you buy the blue worms or other type? i would like some then can bring them back here.

There are two types of worms, far as I can tell - earth worms, which I cannot find anyone to supply [there were some for RM$5 in the fish shop wriggling around in a plastic container of black earth - I bought two and released them and never saw them again - hope they made it! The other is a particular type for vermiculture that I have just written to a flen in Ipoh to help me source. Will keep you informed. A friend in Perth kept hers for years and was thrilled with the quality of the fertiliser produced.

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:26 PM
No i am not using the electronic sprinkler yet. Just using a normal one.

still need to get wifeys approval to buy the electronic one. She is doing her DD on it now.

I hv not studied the electronic ones yet... She said what if the timer fails.... then we may have a flood in the garden....

Dun have an answer yet to that.

Please help...


Where you gets those electronic sprinkles?

I am going to get my house pretty soon..maybe another 3 months? However, kid still studying in Singapore so cant live in JB all the time and thus need some electronic to help me watering plants... Btw I bought a Ramba robot from ebay to help cleaning the floor.. US is selling at 290... Singapore is selling at 995.. How to live in Singapore when everything is so expensive?

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:31 PM
i think i know which one.

That one small bottle right? Damn strong one... All insects die one... actually if you put a bit stronger .... ur leaves will burn and turn brown as well

yeah not organic.. cant use it for cultivation..

hope we are talking about the same one. cause i initially bought mine there as well next to the temple....


BTW AP , I bought my insecticle at the nursery at the temple alone Bestari , very effective and I dont think is organic.

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Agree she wont complain one ah... Imagine u tell her u wanna go gambling/ktv etc. Sure die one....

Gardening she sure wont mind one.... BTW why all men seem to be doing this? Thought its women who must be doing this?

BTW regarding the bold part below u may be a bit too optimistic:D:D:D


The only hobby which wife can’t complaint lor ... . After a hard day work in the garden, she may even pamper you on the bed
haha!

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:37 PM
Bro jason take a video upload on youtube and give us the link... i think this is possible right?

Imagine all of us visit you... your beautiful house... gone ready
and surely ur wife let u sleep in the car porch.....:D:D:D


Wah! thank you! very interesting.. Will visit your house one day!


Bought at ebay usa , like this can liao http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GILMOUR-9500-ELECTRONIC-GARDEN-WATER-HOSE-TIMER-/110687789520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c581a1d0 , buy simple but good one hor ! Have been using this for 2yrs no problem so far . First must lay all the pipes to watering pts , maybe about 1 to 2m per point . All this goes to your timer which is conected to your tap which must be on at all time . Use sprinkle head like this http://cgi.ebay.com/Toro-Lawn-Genie-Shrub-Garden-Rotor-Sprinkler-adjustable-/160617170931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25658787f3 will work well . ( Not all sprinkler nozzles will work ) . Also make sure water presure is pretty high otherwise sprinker nozzles will not rotate hor !
Oh yes you can lay pipes under ground if you wish , look neater but if you wanted alteration became very difficult liao . If you want to see actual working of these sprinkles can visit me at my house lor ..
All pipes and fitting can easily get at JB hardware shop , whole setup should be less than 350 buck lar . BTW AP , I bought my insecticle at the nursery at the temple alone Bestari , very effective and I dont think is organic.

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:43 PM
Mallow thanks for your beautiful posting... My uncle who visited me during EASTER saw my lil garden and was flabbergasted. Soil was clayey... Plants were not growing. Despite my maid who is a farmer tending to it for 16 months.

After a lil bit of advice from him i started personally supervising all the garden work. And now its a lot better. Stil a long way to go...

He suggested preparing compost exactly the way you suggested. But the thought of worms makes me squirm... So while i am preparing compost now from all the dead/rotting leaves/peeled veg and fruits... i am hoping the worms dun arrive...:):)





erm ... a compost heap is TERRIFIC. For neat gardens, get one of the plastic ones with a handle to turn the stuff: in goes all the kitchen veg and fruit peelings, newspaper and other paper stuff. Uses up all this stuff and makes great soil.

I am happy to share worms and info with anyone who wants to start a home worm farm - cannot find the worms except in Penang. Amazingly good fertiliser in clean worm pee and castings. Anyone?

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 06:46 PM
Bro jason take a video upload on youtube and give us the link... i think this is possible right?

Imagine all of us visit you... your beautiful house... gone ready
and surely ur wife let u sleep in the car porch.....:D:D:D

Not a problem , will do a video next time I am there at the garden ...

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:47 PM
Just checked out my pine trees. The weather was unbearably hot past few days. So my wife and i drove down to water the plants.... Checked out my pines... they are atleast 6.5-7ft. did not measure exactly. they were much shorter to me in september when i had brought them. now they are much taller. i have to look up to them while they look down on me....

I am hoping to plant more pines in my precint once SETIA TROPIKA RC hands over charge to local committee.... I dun mind sponsoring them as well...

Giving back to nature bro.... But then i am not alone... need approval from fellow members before can do anything... As usual many may suggest fruit trees. then how?

Ah... il tell them sure got bird problem later...must remember this point...




AP is going to plant 2 Mao Shan durian tree and invite all of you for durian session few yrs time .. can charge us 22 per kg lor / I think pine tree is less useful

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:49 PM
Definitely not an easy task agreed..

Infact its much cheaper to buy outside rather than grow your own..

Not to mention the time and effort invested...


Wow Mallow , this is just too much for us to handle .... thanks anyway . Look like very difficult to plant veg hor

HH_lover
13-07-2011, 06:50 PM
Hi guys... Have been reading your thread for almost 1 week already. Thanks to all, I finally booked a cluster in the hills. Priced at about 920K.

However, I am wondering. If given a choice to get 2 or 3 storey cluster unit, where the 2-storey faces bungalows and the 3-storey faces terraces, which would you go for?

The corner cluster is going for about 1.2mil, would you advise to go for it from the point of view of investment?

Those are my 2 questions. :)

Lastly, exchange rate was good today. Managed to get 2.462. Am expecting 2.47 for 14th. :D

Analytical Professor
13-07-2011, 06:53 PM
Definitely need Wuqi for his networking and connections... and Mallow as the Expert On Site Advisor...

Jason you and i go and dig la k? Anyway i am so unfit...


Wow , you guys damn pro and serious man ! Possible that we buy a plot of cheap agriculture land in JB and start a plantation ? I heard plam oil is good profitable biz leh .
Say we buy a plot of land for 400K + 100K working capital , we invite 50 member here to join the investment , can work or not ? Additional space can plant some durian , mangos for sales to sinkie visiting during weekends ! Can appoint Mallow our expert in agriculture and wuqi for sale and marketing lor ! We can make the farm like a tourist spot for Sinkies too . Only 10K per share lor , who know can grow into big biz in 5 to 10 yrs times ?

jasonjst
13-07-2011, 07:20 PM
Definitely need Wuqi for his networking and connections... and Mallow as the Expert On Site Advisor...

Jason you and i go and dig la k? Anyway i am so unfit...

Wah Lau , diging ? paid bangla to do can ? haha ...

lastresort
13-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Wow , you guys damn pro and serious man ! Possible that we buy a plot of cheap agriculture land in JB and start a plantation ? I heard plam oil is good profitable biz leh .
Say we buy a plot of land for 400K + 100K working capital , we invite 50 member here to join the investment , can work or not ? Additional space can plant some durian , mangos for sales to sinkie visiting during weekends ! Can appoint Mallow our expert in agriculture and wuqi for sale and marketing lor ! We can make the farm like a tourist spot for Sinkies too . Only 10K per share lor , who know can grow into big biz in 5 to 10 yrs times ?

hey, count me in! I have been thinking of that for a long time. :D We can discuss more. I was thinking we should focus on one type of plant only.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 01:29 AM
hey, count me in! I have been thinking of that for a long time. :D We can discuss more. I was thinking we should focus on one type of plant only.

Why not , 10K is only 4K sing , can really learn a lot on this project ... good for people who like to learn how to start up biz in JB , remember seeing special programme on generation Y farmers on CH8 , look like all are doing well leh !
If we fail it , is a smaller price to pay . But with so many experts , ideas and support from members here , we should have a much better chance of sucess than one were to start up on his own . The only problem I see is how to get 50 people to work to a common goal like one big company where everyone is a small share holders ?
I think palm oil is best right ? Dont need much maintenance and harvest is just sell off to oil factory, neat and sweet .
What happen if the palm trees refuse to bare fruits ? BTW how many years it actually start to fruits ? Mallow might have the answers ...
OK , if we can gather 30 names here , we can kick off the project lor , let see :-
1) Jason
2) Lastresort
3) AP - put for you can or not ?

lastresort
14-07-2011, 01:59 AM
Why not , 10K is only 4K sing , can really learn a lot on this project ... good for people who like to learn how to start up biz in JB , remember seeing special programme on generation Y farmers on CH8 , look like all are doing well leh !
If we fail it , is a small price to pay . But we so many experts , ideas and support from members here , we should have a much better chance of sucess than one were to start up on his own . The only problem I see is how to get 50 people to work to a common goal like one big company where everyone is a small share holders ?
I think palm oil is best right ? Dont need much maintenance and harvest is just sell off to oil factory, neat and sweet .
What happen if the palm trees refuse to bare fruits ? BTW how many years it actually start to fruits ? Mallow might have the answers ...

I like palm trees too.

For palm trees to mature, if I am not wrong, it takes around 5-7 years. and it can grow until around 10-12 years. so it is a very long term investment. If we decide on it, we must really commit long term.

fairies
14-07-2011, 02:32 AM
Whoah! 400 pages already! Congrats everyone for making this such a lively thread!

fairies
14-07-2011, 02:40 AM
Wow , you guys damn pro and serious man ! Possible that we buy a plot of cheap agriculture land in JB and start a plantation ? I heard plam oil is good profitable biz leh .
Say we buy a plot of land for 400K + 100K working capital , we invite 50 member here to join the investment , can work or not ? Additional space can plant some durian , mangos for sales to sinkie visiting during weekends ! Can appoint Mallow our expert in agriculture and wuqi for sale and marketing lor ! We can make the farm like a tourist spot for Sinkies too . Only 10K per share lor , who know can grow into big biz in 5 to 10 yrs times ?


My siblings and I inherit a 5 acre land from our late father ... now became jungle already after left ignored for many many years ... all of us so busy with our work and family life in s'pore ... even after I move to Ledang Heights end this year, still no plan to work on the land ... no experience lor

So? If really this group you suggesting will really materialize & want to get land .... hehehe ... can consider my land

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 02:53 AM
My siblings and I inherit a 5 acre land from our late father ... now became jungle already after left ignored for many many years ... all of us so busy with our work and family life in s'pore ... even after I move to Ledang Heights end this year, still no plan to work on the land ... no experience lor

So? If really this group you suggesting will really materialize & want to get land .... hehehe ... can consider my land

Not a problem to buy over your dad land lar , BTW what is the price psf , 5 acres is how many sq ft hur ?
Also can count you in too , to make the number to 4 ?
Will be best if we have a malaysian friend like you as setting up the SDN BHD will be much easlier lor , right ?

1) Jason
2) Lastresort
3) AP - put for you can or not ?
4) fairies
hope this list goes on lor ....

lastresort
14-07-2011, 03:22 AM
Not a problem to buy over your dad land lar , BTW what is the price psf , 5 acres is how many sq ft hur ?
Also can count you in too , to make the number to 4 ?
Will be best if we have a malaysian friend like you as setting up the SDN BHD will be much easlier lor , right ?

1) Jason
2) Lastresort
3) AP - put for you can or not ?
4) fairies
hope this list goes on lor ....


Hi Jason, 1 acre = 43 560 sq feet, so it's about 217800 sq feet. That's about 5 football fields

lastresort
14-07-2011, 03:24 AM
My siblings and I inherit a 5 acre land from our late father ... now became jungle already after left ignored for many many years ... all of us so busy with our work and family life in s'pore ... even after I move to Ledang Heights end this year, still no plan to work on the land ... no experience lor

So? If really this group you suggesting will really materialize & want to get land .... hehehe ... can consider my land

Hi fairies, may I know the location of this plot, and whether it is near any main road. :D We need to know whether it's near newly developed area, maybe can convert to residential land. Also, we need to know whether there's potential to buy the surrounding land. it will be good to have economies of scale.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 03:32 AM
Hi Jason, 1 acre = 43 560 sq feet, so it's about 217800 sq feet. That's about 6 football fields

Quick search for est prce per acre 180K , so 5 acres abt 900K liao ! Look like we need at least 1M to 1.5M to do a good job leh ....

" FREEHOLD AGRICULTURE LAND FOR SALE. TOTAL AREA: 67.997 ACRE. SELLING: RM180,000 PER ACRE(NEG). ALONG MAIN ROAD FROM JEMENTAH TO SEGAMAT. 2KM AWAY FROM JEMENTAH, 14KM FROM SEGAMAT. LAND PLANTED WITH CINTAN TREES. SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL/COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. TEL: LAWRENCE- ....

lastresort
14-07-2011, 03:40 AM
Wow thats is huge hur , look like we cant afford leh see , if assume psf $30/= x 200,000 sq ft = 6 mil rm leh
How about lease it from our friend fairies for 30yrs ?

haha, actually no. Agricultural land is only a fraction of residential land. residential land in Seri Austin is selling around 35 psf, LF/HH around $55-65 (gated and guarded residential land) (if i remember correctly)

It depends on the accessibility, location and nature/condition of soil, topography and climate, Agri land can be as cheap as 20 sens psf in East Malaysia, or as high as RM10 psf in certain parts of JB, RM8 psf in Batu Pahat.

Commercial land near KLCC can be as high as RM1,600 per sq ft. http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/waypengf/Article/

So we can see the difference in land pricing!

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 03:58 AM
haha, actually no. Agricultural land is only a fraction of residential land. residential land in Seri Austin is selling around 35 psf, LF/HH around $55-65 (gated and guarded residential land) (if i remember correctly)

It depends on the accessibility, location and nature/condition of soil, topography and climate, Agri land can be as cheap as 20 sens psf in East Malaysia, or as high as RM10 psf in certain parts of JB, RM8 psf in Batu Pahat.

Commercial land near KLCC can be as high as RM1,600 per sq ft. http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/waypengf/Article/

So we can see the difference in land pricing!

I see , think I am fucking sotong lor ! Do you think our plan is feasible and profitable ? We can leave out detail until a later date lar , work on concept first ... and get people interested to come forward for disscussion , then can come out detail biz plan mah ....

lastresort
14-07-2011, 04:16 AM
haha, don't say that, we're all here to learn, I am also not totally sure if I have said correctly. :D

okay, i think we need an objective first. I am not an experienced businessman but I know doing this don't require MBA haha! we just need a lot of local knowledge.

To be honest, i have heard from the locals that those who bought land decades ago are able to make a lot of profit, but because land prices have increased by a lot, new entrants may not be able to make much profit and some don't survive, so it is important to know this from the start. Also it is not easy to find a willing buyer for agri land that is far out, so if we decide to exit, it may not be easy. Prices really vary a lot and do not appreciate much, so if we do not find a good suitable land at reasonable price, we can forget about even starting.

If our aim is to maximise profits from agri output, the most ulu but accessible place seems to be the best, however, once you have made up your mind to do it, it's gonna be a long commitment.

If our aim is to buy agri land that is near newly developed area and have potential to convert to residential land. then we can become a small developer and count cash at home (it's a super long process and such land are expensive, so it's risky). There's this small developer who started out like that and not many are able to do it right. But of course there's more restriction for foreigners.

just my opinions haha :) Like you say, worst come to worst, it's just a few grands to lose if we can find many who are willing.

Analytical Professor
14-07-2011, 04:21 AM
Same feelings here.

I had tended to my garden.... but mainly pots and ornamental plants (american hybrids) from Sec1 to the completion of my U in my landed home bungalow.

Then when i returned home after a couple of years my parents had given all the plants away for various reasons:
1) no one to take care/nurture them
2) no one to fertilise them/ replant them/repot them
3) no one to clean all the leaves and polish them to make them look shiny...
4) mosquitoes..

now i am off ornamental plants (except my pines)... more into useful plants...


For now i do mine along the corridor, not as extensive as how i wish it to be. I gave up my entire garden and donated to a friend's dad. 2 lorry full of plants. very heardpain but at least once HH is ready, i will go over back to his place and do transplant on the plants bit by bit. eating our own produce gives us full satisfaction. :)

aangsc
14-07-2011, 04:42 AM
Can someone do a feasible study and maybe a biz plan so that ppl here can invest in it lor. Imaging 1Kg of Mao Shan durian sell rm22 to sinkies , one haverst can be few tons leh !

Not sure whether to said you are lucky or unlucky....you are not the first msian I know inheritted agri land of about 5 footbal fields. A frenz of mine also own one in East M'sia. I said make it into retirement village , then we can rent his place for months/years when we are ready . Maybe should consider renting the place for planting veg meantime , that would be low risk and send to SG . One of my colleague family is doing that. Tree tends to bear fruits slower. Veg and poultry will be faster. I remember planting seven mango trees and a durain tree when young. The durain bear fruit at year 15 years when we were shifting out. Of course you could use marcotting method , shorter but start up higher.

Anyway you need to organize a site tour first lah. How to make feasibility study without site observation ? What kind of soil also affect what to plant. Water source also need to consider. Site supervision also needed.

Actually I would very much like a rustic farmstay in Johor , not sure if any one already planning to consider that.

Analytical Professor
14-07-2011, 04:47 AM
ok im good


Why not , 10K is only 4K sing , can really learn a lot on this project ... good for people who like to learn how to start up biz in JB , remember seeing special programme on generation Y farmers on CH8 , look like all are doing well leh !
If we fail it , is a smaller price to pay . But with so many experts , ideas and support from members here , we should have a much better chance of sucess than one were to start up on his own . The only problem I see is how to get 50 people to work to a common goal like one big company where everyone is a small share holders ?
I think palm oil is best right ? Dont need much maintenance and harvest is just sell off to oil factory, neat and sweet .
What happen if the palm trees refuse to bare fruits ? BTW how many years it actually start to fruits ? Mallow might have the answers ...
OK , if we can gather 30 names here , we can kick off the project lor , let see :-
1) Jason
2) Lastresort
3) AP - put for you can or not ?

fairies
14-07-2011, 05:34 AM
Not sure whether to said you are lucky or unlucky....you are not the first msian I know inheritted agri land of about 5 footbal fields. A frenz of mine also own one in East M'sia. I said make it into retirement village , then we can rent his place for months/years when we are ready . Maybe should consider renting the place for planting veg meantime , that would be low risk and send to SG . One of my colleague family is doing that. Tree tends to bear fruits slower. Veg and poultry will be faster. I remember planting seven mango trees and a durain tree when young. The durain bear fruit at year 15 years when we were shifting out. Of course you could use marcotting method , shorter but start up higher.

Anyway you need to organize a site tour first lah. How to make feasibility study without site observation ? What kind of soil also affect what to plant. Water source also need to consider. Site supervision also needed.

Actually I would very much like a rustic farmstay in Johor , not sure if any one already planning to consider that.

Wah! Didn't expect my post attract serious responses so fast!

The land is not mine alone, but owned together with all my other siblings .... so actually cannot make decision myself

There's absolutely no plan at all for the land ... neither sell, lease out, farm, develop nor anything ... our family just don't have time to even think or discuss about it. But you guys somehow gave me few ideas that may be interesting to think about

It's 5 acre like I said, specifically mentioned in the title deed to be used solely for planting rubber trees ... few hundred metres from the new bridge at Pasir Gudang crossing to Desaru. Maybe wait few more years until land price in the area rises, then sell off. Just maybe

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 05:41 AM
Hey aangsc , mallow and wuqi can count you guys in or not ? Without your expertise things might not goes so well leh !
Lastresort , think you 2nd option is better lah , can farm and hope for land to be converted to residential ....

I think need to setup a SDN BHD with say capital paid up of 1M , all shareholders be issue with share certificate right ? Then can appoint a working committee to go look for land , equiptment , workers ....etc .
All the progress, meeting , reports can be update at a website setup for this purpose. Can alway change or rotate working commitee every year if members not happy with performance . Accoutability is the key too !

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 06:47 AM
Hey aangsc , mallow and wuqi can count you guys in or not ? Without your expertise things might not goes so well leh !
Lastresort , think you 2nd option is better lah , can farm and hope for land to be converted to residential ....

I think need to setup a SDN BHD with say capital paid up of 1M , all shareholders be issue with share certificate right ? Then can appoint a working committee to go look for land , equiptment , workers ....etc .
All the progress, meeting , reports can be update at a website setup for this purpose. Can alway change or rotate working commitee every year if members not happy with performance . Accoutability is the key too !

Thanks Jasonjst for the kind offer. I know you and Fairies meant well.

There has been more than a few cases of issues arising from business ventures and sales on this website. Others have also warned about possible cheating cases before on other threads.

As such, i would seriously say unless you know anyone personally, otherwise refrain from any such business ventures.

If you must, then go and get a copy of everyones NRIC who are going to be involved and verify the background before even going forth. The person who owns the land would also need to show the deed and relevant tax documents on the land so that the ownership can be proven.

At least then if something goes wrong, we can utilize the necessary connections to take action..

There may also be an implementation of LLP in Malaysia in the later part of the year with arguably more benefits and less issues than incorporating a company. For those keen to start a company, do remember the necessary filing and secretarial stuff to do resolution, minutes to avoid the heavy penalties.

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 07:00 AM
The idea is very feasible and really attractive, the only issue is on the division of the responsibility/liability and most importantly the trustworthiness of the individuals here as most of us don't know each other in real life. For those who know me, some commented i am the exact person online as in real life but thats just me. If its for agricultural, you would need to find out how to overcome the shortage of labour. Its very difficult to get labour here these days even if you are willing to pay more. A learned lecturer of mine (bless her soul) wanted to set up one early last year, we went as far as to find out all the stuff required for this but in the end she decided not to.

Even the owner of the land i went to told me its very difficult to find workers to maintain and to harvest. There is also the problem of finding if there are existing squatters, source of water for irrigation, condition of the land/top soil, etc. All these needs to be looked into, its less riskier if one considers something like a wellness village, etc.

Again, i would recommend having a D&B report or a back ground check on all the individuals who are joining in this venture.
Just being able to meet up to meet and discuss this in SG would already discount some characters who cannot come back to SG and act as the first level of filter.

LeMans2011
14-07-2011, 07:20 AM
Fairies,

Haha too bad only can plant rubber trees, if not doing a horse-riding farm will be good.

fairies
14-07-2011, 07:33 AM
Thanks Jasonjst for the kind offer. I know you and Fairies meant well.

There has been more than a few cases of issues arising from business ventures and sales on this website. Others have also warned about possible cheating cases before on other threads.

As such, i would seriously say unless you know anyone personally, otherwise refrain from any such business ventures.

If you must, then go and get a copy of everyones NRIC who are going to be involved and verify the background before even going forth. The person who owns the land would also need to show the deed and relevant tax documents on the land so that the ownership can be proven.

At least then if something goes wrong, we can utilize the necessary connections to take action..

There may also be an implementation of LLP in Malaysia in the later part of the year with arguably more benefits and less issues than incorporating a company. For those keen to start a company, do remember the necessary filing and secretarial stuff to do resolution, minutes to avoid the heavy penalties.

yes, wuqi, agree with you ... that's why i said i prefer to just sell off the land when the price is right ... no need to say to make venture with people outside the family, even to do it together with my siblings i still have doubt it will turn out fine in the long run ... nobody knows what kind of ugly family disputes can arise in the future

mallow
14-07-2011, 07:46 AM
But the thought of worms makes me squirm... So while i am preparing compost now from all the dead/rotting leaves/peeled veg and fruits... i am hoping the worms dun arrive...:):)

Perhaps I lost most of my geely feeling about worms when my father and other male members of the clan praised me for spitting on the sand at Changi and digging up sea-sand worms for them to go fishing with - I was never a tomboy, so this was high praise for me.

AP sweetie, earthworms are friends because they aerate the soil and their worm castings are one of the best fertilisers you can ever get.... and free since they are eating microbes/junk from the soil and re-processing it all into organic fertiliser. You are not likely to see them either, once they are in the soil.

The Home Worm Farm is another story, but a simple one, made with double styrofoam boxes. Lots to read here: http://www.yates.com.au/kids-gardening/in-the-garden/build-a-worm-farm/ and a simplified version here: http://www.yates.com.au/kids-gardening/in-the-garden/build-a-worm-farm/

Highly educational project for kids too. Still sourcing the worms [these are not common garden worms] and glad of help from anyone who knows.

If we are able to get going, I will write again to a friend in Perth who had them very successfully, asking her advice on which stuff the worms really enjoyed and other such important information.

mallow
14-07-2011, 08:10 AM
I am hoping to plant more pines in my precint once SETIA TROPIKA RC hands over charge to local committee.... I dun mind sponsoring them as well... Giving back to nature bro.... But then i am not alone... need approval from fellow members before can do anything... As usual many may suggest fruit trees. then how?
Ah... il tell them sure got bird problem later...must remember this point...

Palms cause the least amount of leaf droppings. Pines are next - which is why Singaporeans who have no time/energy for constant maintenance select palms and pines. This is a huge green improvement on putting concrete over everything to be washed down with water.

The HDB made all sorts of rules many years ago because residents complained about the rise in insects (not all were mosquitoes) when determined people had potted plants all over. Where there are flowers there will be insects.

Quick reminder: Certain fruit trees are known to attract certain insects eg the rambutan tree will attract ants, and the soursop tree is loved by the red ants who love to build their football shaped nests in these trees.

Birds eat fruit, then excrete the seeds or drop them quite far away from the original tree. If we enjoy birdsong and want birds, they will come when you have food for them eg the MacArthur Palm is loved by birds for their seeds and thick shade for them to build their nests.

If it's all too much ... well, you know the ways of Nature. But please be encouraged to grow any and all types of trees, bushes, flowers and vegetable vines - ALL good to counteract the concrete, tarmac and buildings we necessarily put up. No tree is so much better than another tree that we have to argue about it. There may be exceptions, like the neem and the bilva also the coconut, which are exceptional in producing food, wood and medicinal remedies - but they need really big gardens. Others are simply beautiful, so who cares?
ALL plants (rare exceptions?) produce oxygen. Wah, I'm beginning to lecture ... apologies to alal.

mallow
14-07-2011, 08:30 AM
All about Vermiculture in Malaysia

Found some sources for worms: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/verm/msg0102121332433.html
[email protected]

Interesting gardening website: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/verm/

hangyong
14-07-2011, 09:11 AM
Not sure whether to said you are lucky or unlucky....you are not the first msian I know inheritted agri land of about 5 footbal fields. A frenz of mine also own one in East M'sia. I said make it into retirement village , then we can rent his place for months/years when we are ready . Maybe should consider renting the place for planting veg meantime , that would be low risk and send to SG . One of my colleague family is doing that. Tree tends to bear fruits slower. Veg and poultry will be faster. I remember planting seven mango trees and a durain tree when young. The durain bear fruit at year 15 years when we were shifting out. Of course you could use marcotting method , shorter but start up higher.

Anyway you need to organize a site tour first lah. How to make feasibility study without site observation ? What kind of soil also affect what to plant. Water source also need to consider. Site supervision also needed.

Actually I would very much like a rustic farmstay in Johor , not sure if any one already planning to consider that.

I am in for that kind of life....

Bigfatfish
14-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Wuqi's suggestion is very very good. there's tons of problems to set up this sort of stuff. there will be heaps of disagreement in the end, and a lot of people might not see eye to eye anymore. If's it's for fun , yes but , a such a scale i would say it's damn difficult. workers will be a big problem.



The idea is very feasible and really attractive, the only issue is on the division of the responsibility/liability and most importantly the trustworthiness of the individuals here as most of us don't know each other in real life. For those who know me, some commented i am the exact person online as in real life but thats just me. If its for agricultural, you would need to find out how to overcome the shortage of labour. Its very difficult to get labour here these days even if you are willing to pay more. A learned lecturer of mine (bless her soul) wanted to set up one early last year, we went as far as to find out all the stuff required for this but in the end she decided not to.

Even the owner of the land i went to told me its very difficult to find workers to maintain and to harvest. There is also the problem of finding if there are existing squatters, source of water for irrigation, condition of the land/top soil, etc. All these needs to be looked into, its less riskier if one considers something like a wellness village, etc.

Again, i would recommend having a D&B report or a back ground check on all the individuals who are joining in this venture.
Just being able to meet up to meet and discuss this in SG would already discount some characters who cannot come back to SG and act as the first level of filter.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Wuqi's suggestion is very very good. there's tons of problems to set up this sort of stuff. there will be heaps of disagreement in the end, and a lot of people might not see eye to eye anymore. If's it's for fun , yes but , a such a scale i would say it's damn difficult. workers will be a big problem.




[/QUOTE]The idea is very feasible and really attractive, the only issue is on the division of the responsibility/liability and most importantly the trustworthiness of the individuals here as most of us don't know each other in real life. For those who know me, some commented i am the exact person online as in real life but thats just me. If its for agricultural, you would need to find out how to overcome the shortage of labour. Its very difficult to get labour here these days even if you are willing to pay more. A learned lecturer of mine (bless her soul) wanted to set up one early last year, we went as far as to find out all the stuff required for this but in the end she decided not to.

Even the owner of the land i went to told me its very difficult to find workers to maintain and to harvest. There is also the problem of finding if there are existing squatters, source of water for irrigation, condition of the land/top soil, etc. All these needs to be looked into, its less riskier if one considers something like a wellness village, etc.

Again, i would recommend having a D&B report or a back ground check on all the individuals who are joining in this venture.
Just being able to meet up to meet and discuss this in SG would already discount some characters who cannot come back to SG and act as the first level of filter.
.[/QUOTE]

Like I say right in the begining the biggest problem is to get 50 people to work as a big company towards a common goal Indiviual should just treat it as though buying some peny stock like that. Working principle should be like our MCST like that , Not too worry about trust worthiness of indivisual shareholders , because the Management Committee must be able to come out a trustworth plan to protect the fund , offcourse if Management Committee conspire to run away the money , LL liao !
So most important is who are trustworthy to run the committee , indiviual shareholder {they are like any resident in HH , you can never know who they are , they just pay monthly fees and can make lots of noise } cant run away the money because the money is with the Company mah ! As for everybody wanted to implement their ideas , which is best ideas .... probably will be going though meetings and votes lor , maybe can vote over the internet lar .

Example : To plant a) palm oil b) mangos c) Durians d) Mixed crops
Management Comittee will meet to disscuss and do feasibility study , come out report to tell members everything about option a , b, c, d like pro and cons , profitability , risk ,everything that the comittee found out . Then member can go to the internet and click on their choice mah . End of the day , we should get to know more JB Kaki when we settle down in JB , right ? If the few grands can find you a few good JB Kaki and learn a few new tricks is worth it already . Frankly speaking how much return can we get by investing just a few Ks . There are many Singaporean just walk into MBS and gamble away more money in just few hours lor , but come to buying a JB house or investment like this they become extra Kaisi lor . But I belive people in this forum are different leh ... since we are consider pioneer in JB living liao ! It is unthinkable to 80 percent of Singaporean leh.
BTW ,I am trustworthy to keep your money , but I am lousy to growth your money ... I just know how to put your money in the bank , you want it , I give it back to you ! so dont appoint me , haha ..

BTW , what is Wellness Village ? this option can also be consider lor
How about old folks home ? can or not ?

aangsc
14-07-2011, 02:53 PM
BTW , what is Wellness Village ? this option can also be consider lor
How about old folks home ? can or not ?[/QUOTE]

Temasek and Khazanah already planning a iconic wellness village , how to compete with them ?
Old folk home need medical staff and deal with sick and dead ,are you sure you want to deal with that ?
Actually when I suggest to my frenz to built something more of retirement rustic living resort for short/mid term stay , not for sick and dependent type.
Anyway, your is agri land , don't think it fit. Need to be very careful for anything other than agri , otherwise, after pump $ , authority may ask to tear down later, it will sour relationship.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 03:09 PM
BTW , what is Wellness Village ? this option can also be consider lor
How about old folks home ? can or not ?

Temasek and Khazanah already planning a iconic wellness village , how to compete with them ?
Old folk home need medical staff and deal with sick and dead ,are you sure you want to deal with that ?
Actually when I suggest to my frenz to built something more of retirement rustic living resort for short/mid term stay , not for sick and dependent type.
Anyway, your is agri land , don't think it fit. Need to be very careful for anything other than agri , otherwise, after pump $ , authority may ask to tear down later, it will sour relationship.[/QUOTE]

Yah right , old folks home is very very heavy investment .... should keep to something simple and within our means .
Resort also sould good but high investment and need lots of marketing , good quality service staffs otherwise Sinkies complaint like hell ! haha !

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 03:53 PM
Agriculture land = Just do agriculture stuff as there are lots of restrictions including even the size, level and type of material you build a house on. This is as its supposed to be a simple lodging for the owner and likely the staff. Irrigation matters as well as labour issues will the ones that will keep you up at night.

On a lighter note, found a couple of hidden places that are very "fruitful", will attempt to drive through there with a beat up car to collect durians early in the morning. Yum yum.

Bros who are keen to do a biz in JB, not saying you shouldn't but do go in with your eyes open. I almost made a mistake recently in JB but managed to rectify through some friends of mine. It could have been a costly mistake and being a foreigner here means i am at a higher threshold of risk should things go south.

It may be a few thousand and small change to most of us but it doesn't mean people like to be cheated, even though its $1 dollar, who likes to be cheated? It also does not mean the end of ones losses should something go wrong.

Going into business means liability should something happen even if you are using a corporate veil, it does not 100% discharge one of any liability. As long as the company directors are put in, they are running the show and fully liable to discharge their responsibilities. Lots of cases of people from both sides of the border who started a get rich quick scheme and then disappeared. Some can't even go into SG or vice versa anymore. The company law here is strict and if you didn't do a proper job of winding up, you might be barred from coming into the country until the matter is resolved properly.

Not scaring anyone here, these are facts which needs to be examined before you commit to any kind of business venture. I am sorely tempted by what some of the bros shared here or on PM, in fact, i have a couple of learned and well heeled friends are asking me of possible business ventures. Some of whom may be reading this right now. I rather be a bad guy up front and tell you of the difficulties but i will also share what i know about the possible solutions.

Just like Jin Yong novels always tell you, the poison and antidote may sometimes be found at the same place. There are always ways to get around but one should know before one commits right?

Resident committe or township management stuff, no one can control who comes into the estate but at least in a company, for those joining, you want to know what kind of company you are going into, for those accepting new shareholders, you will also need to know the background especially those you appoint as nomineee or shareholders. In the end, it might not be just the few thousand capital you may lose but your liability as part of the company should anything go wrong.

If you are still reading this, congratulations, you have gone past the initial part of the poison to weed out those who give up at the first sign of trouble.

Now if you are still keen to explore business, there is a part 2 to this.
Akan datang :)

Disclaimer: Please note that these are just Wuqi's humble 1 cent worth and you are free to invest blindly, don't do your due diligence to find out more about another country's laws and become vicariously liable.

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 04:12 PM
Bro Jasonjst, i am fully supportive of the idea of starting up a biz in MY. in fact, i already have 2 x revenue stream generating businesses here in Malaysia, one in the form from the monthly rental and then another one, a biz that my wife runs 100%.

Just doing my duty to remind all to go in with eyes wide open and know the lay of the land first(rules & laws). As a distant relative once said to me:

The art of war is of vital importance to the State.
It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected

If i had only heeded the 2nd and third part of the statements and not just trusted, relied or was simply too busy to find out more. It would have saved me a lot of anguish, anxiety and pain back when i started my first business in SG.

Always do your due dilligence is the short summary of it.

I would suggest having a business plan and review it with an advisor in business like those doing this professionally, they can then advise you of anything to look out for, licensing or government regulations and restrictions as well as ways to get around this. I am not the best person to advise but there are many in the market who can.

Some of my favourite quotes:

Losers are people who turn back at the first sign of trouble, winners are those who already brought along the map and their best guns tucked in the belt -
Shared by another learned relative of Wuqi (unfortunately he is deceased since 1997)

Go forth and multiply!!!

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Again, agri land = use mainly for agri purposes. The chances of a conversion to residential/commercial is very slim unless one is very lucky or very well connected and likely for those who succeed, they will have a mix of both.

For those who are keen into biz, there are more than 30 types of businesses that will make money here. I did a feasibility study based on some folks i know as well as what some kind soul at certain government organization shared with me.

Wellness village for one can be done on a small scale and incorporate some kind of health screening, spa or massage as part of a package. You can cater to those lesser well heeled as those our government are targetting are from a different crowd. The key is to be different and offer value and quality in the same package.

Old age home can definitely do but to deal with the dead and dying, it will take out years of my life from my from the grief. Hence as what i told my very learned neighbour, i know it can be done but i just can't bring my heart to do it unless i really run it hands free.

The following is copyright of Wuqi256 (feel free to use but please do quote:) )

The common term death and taxes were definitely a censored version of:
Old, Sick, Death and Taxes, why Taxes behind Death? Because the tax man will still be after you and your decendants even after your death.

Old and Sick - Universal path one takes so if one looks at the industry arising out of these 2 (still currently) common issues, there are lots of business opportunities.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 04:56 PM
Bro Wuqi , you are right ... if after started up , biz go into unforsee trouble , everybody goes disappear , directors of the company sure kena jialiat one ! Hence I guess nobody would like to be directors in our kind of biz model .
Anyway , response is weak as of now .. cant get the number . Best if biz is started only by oneself , but then will be very high capital and risk lor ! Our biz model is more of a " academic model " , fine tune it , make it work, learn from it and people involves can move on on their own lor.

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Bro Wuqi , you are right ... if after started up , biz go into unforsee trouble , everybody goes disappear , directors of the company sure kena jialiat one ! Hence I guess nobody would like to be directors in our kind of biz model .
Anyway , response is weak as of now .. cant get the number . Best if biz is started only by oneself , but then will be very high capital and risk lor ! Our biz model is more of a " academic model " , fine tune it , make it work, learn from it and people involves can move on on their own lor.

If they can allow LLP and for foreigners to form LLP in MY, it will be easier and better with less problems with extrication of one from the company. Of course, during ones terms, one is still liable even after you quit for the period when you controlled or have a say in the company operations.

Bro Jasonjst, please don't get me wrong, i am very much into seeing people succeed and i have no sour grapes mentality. I just share this so that we are aware and know where to seek help. Doing business here is definitely VERY viable, just need to be mindful of the "house rules" thats all.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 05:20 PM
If they can allow LLP and for foreigners to form LLP in MY, it will be easier and better with less problems with extrication of one from the company. Of course, during ones terms, one is still liable even after you quit for the period when you controlled or have a say in the company operations.

Bro Jasonjst, please don't get me wrong, i am very much into seeing people succeed and i have no sour grapes mentality. I just share this so that we are aware and know where to seek help. Doing business here is definitely VERY viable, just need to be mindful of the "house rules" thats all.

BTW what is LLP any different from a SDN BHD ? Is there a high cost involved in starting a LLP ?
Not to worry , best to know the hidden danger ... like you pointed out the difficulty in getting workers and even simple issue like water supply to the plot of land can be overlook . Will get you to do consultation if someday wanted to setup a biz in MY lor , what is your fees ? haha .

contra
14-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Interesting reading about the dream to own a collective farm. It can be a reality some day. Just not yet....the reality is we know forumers not ready to meet up yet .

Long ago my father owned a plot of land with durian trees. As teenagers from the city, we shiok like hell take pickup on some weekends to go collect eat until full.. Then one season too much and we did not know what to do. Jia ga xian. Friends & relatives all given already. The only people made money from it were the Indons who were taking care of the land, and they made side income to sell. No prob with us as we could not eat finish, and after all, we were city dwellers who did not know how to sell wholesale let alone retail. Not long after, Indons went to find better paying jobs and more social environment in factory and construction sites. Then we could not find anyone to take care. Grass grew. Snakes snaked... I am sure there were centipedes... Novelty wore off. We went back to durian sellers to buy for diff varieties and more convenient. If want to make it work, got to be sure to meet up and know each other first and share a serious business case from lots of homework with lawyers, and get professional farmers.... Dont be discouraged. Good to dream boundlessly and start to make up good business case. When the time is right, easier to trigger a real marketing case and reach potential investors.

By the way, Segamat has good soil for durian. But it is also notorious for the floods especially these days when the Segamat river overfills its banks when rain because of heavy silting from the developments upstream.

Heard that this weekend at Lima Kedai or was it Geland Patah rest stop got RM15 all you can eat durian buffet. True ah?

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 05:42 PM
BTW what is LLP any different from a SDN BHD ? Is there a high cost involved in starting a LLP ?
Not to worry , best to know the hidden danger ... like you pointed out the difficulty in getting workers and even simple issue like water supply to the plot of land can be overlook . Will get you to do consultation if someday wanted to setup a biz in MY lor , what is your fees ? haha .

LLP, Limited Liability Partnership = Partners can come and go without dissolving the Partnership. Easier to withdraw and to add partners. Lesser company issues like having resolution, minutes, etc.
Not high and definitely less "maintenance" than a company but only thing is:
1. Will they allow it with the new revision to Company Act this year
2. Will they allow foreigners (US) to use this

No charges required, i am a greenhorn at best. Only requirement is Pink IC and of particular value to me is one who has a 11B, it means a lot to me still.

I still remembered one of the many shops i visited whilst overseas, they all have some kind of discounts or freebies for their version of NSmen. Real discounts, not some promotional gimmick to throw or get rid of old stuff.

If one day, i quit my job and run my own business here full time, i will allow and honour SAFRA card to be used at my store, even though its in Johore and i mean real discounts, not those fake ones.

Wuqi supports our NSmen while those who should, still don't.

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Hi Contra, actually i shared that dream as well, this is definitely doable but we need locals, correct foundation for the business to be laid and the right group people to take care of this as its a full time business. Especially for certain crops like pineapple where even the presence of 1 single wild boar could lay months of hard work to waste. You will definitely also need a pick up, etc.

Hi Jasonjst, best way to try this and go in without much risk is to rent a piece of land for several years instead of buying, survey it and ensure that there are existing crops similar or what you want to grow and just try it out. That way you can always get out easily later without too much headaches.

jasonjst
14-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Hi Contra, actually i shared that dream as well, this is definitely doable but we need locals, correct foundation for the business to be laid and the right group people to take care of this as its a full time business. Especially for certain crops like pineapple where even the presence of 1 single wild boar could lay months of hard work to waste. You will definitely also need a pick up, etc.

Hi Jasonjst, best way to try this and go in without much risk is to rent a piece of land for several years instead of buying, survey it and ensure that there are existing crops similar or what you want to grow and just try it out. That way you can always get out easily later without too much headaches.

No lah actually farming is not my cup of tea lah, too much headaches , more like a collective idea that come out last night .
For personal biz , at most I go buy a shop and get rental .. as simple as that lor . Get rental from SG , come to
JB and live with the few Ks converted into RM . Do we need more than that to survive here in JB ?
Infact my shophouse in Bestari should be ready for rental as soon as next month lor , it is near the AliCafe , what do you think of that location ?

contra
14-07-2011, 06:32 PM
Hi Contra, actually i shared that dream as well, this is definitely doable but we need locals, correct foundation for the business to be laid and the right group people to take care of this as its a full time business. Especially for certain crops like pineapple where even the presence of 1 single wild boar could lay months of hard work to waste. You will definitely also need a pick up, etc.

Hi Jasonjst, best way to try this and go in without much risk is to rent a piece of land for several years instead of buying, survey it and ensure that there are existing crops similar or what you want to grow and just try it out. That way you can always get out easily later without too much headaches.


Wuqi, Very right. Do homework, know locals or wait & learn from experience until can self-consider to be local enough to venture into agriculture. I think running a non-agri business is less risky. Then again I am biased as I hate snakes :) You seem almost local by now with your vast reservoir of local knowledge & experiences ...

In my view, one mistake my dad made was to buy the land without direct access from any road (fact is it is not easy to find one that is next to a road nor directly accessible from an existing road). It was a speculation and urged on by his local 'friends' that someday a road will be made thru it, when development was supposed to come, which did not happen. (At the end of the day was his own responsibility). We always had to go thru someone else's land. Lucky they were nice people but who knows, their descendents could have been a 'holes who could have demanded toll. So you can imagine it would have been very lucky to have avoided any capital loss when trying to sell such a land. All in, was cheaper to have bought durians from the market .

As for form of commercial enterprise, LLP is unfortunately not yet existing in Malaysia but by the time forumers can come together, it might be ready ....As you know, right now only options are limited liability companies (sdn bhd), sole proprietor or partnership. All must still be registered with Registrar of companies but only sdn bhd need make the usual audited accounts etc.

Jason, I sometimes think over-analysis causes paralysis. After all, rewards come after taking risks. In this case however I would take wuqi's experience as a good advice as the risk does seem quite high.

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 06:45 PM
No lah actually farming is not my cup of tea lah, too much headaches , more like a collective idea that come out last night .
For personal biz , at most I go buy a shop and get rental .. as simple as that lor . Get rental from SG , come to
JB and live with the few Ks converted into RM . Do we need more than that to survive here in JB ?
Infact my shophouse in Bestari should be ready for rental as soon as next month lor , it is near the AliCafe , what do you think of that location ?

Yes, its the easiest and if you have not much in the way of loans, then you can press the "retire" button and have an option to take the slower path. How long can one happily survive always being in the fast lane? Sometimes, one just likes to take it slow. Good for you Jasonjst, you already are there and this definitely will be a good yield neighbourhood. All set there. :)

wuqi256
14-07-2011, 06:54 PM
All good points there Contra, the road access was another thing we considered as well as squatters who could basically come and set fire if they are driven off, etc.
Yes LLP is not but reliable sources told me that 2 plus years after it was implemented in SG, its now being considered seriously here in MY although its still not confirmed and its likely that mainly only professionals would opt for it. Sdn Bhd needs resolutions, minutes, as well as audits and even the incorporation and winding up is more problematic and withdrawal of nominees/directors is a long drawn process without the right assistance.

Jason, I would still say to go ahead as long as you gather a few good guys whom you can trust each other and get all the foundation done up, don't let me stop you, i am just the friendly guy at the exit with the green light on top of him asking if you have checked your chute, where is your backup and to avoid the trees/powerlines.

I am definitely all for it provided its all done right.

tansi
15-07-2011, 02:32 AM
like to share a true story: due to hi operating cost and termination of land use by dear sg government, a guy closed his pet farm and moved to johor, put in a million S$ and restart a pet farm to continue his passion of saving stray dogs and cats. sg pet welfare groups support him over the years. sg pet owners who paid a small sum to dump their pets in the farm usually dun turn up again to take care of pets or pay for any service. Local gangs demanded protection money. The guy ran out of fund in a few years and is/was struggling to survive.
I won't be surprised if I hear about dear sg families dump their elders across the causeway in old folks home and never show up or pay again, as it already happens in sg old folks home.

cathylmg
15-07-2011, 02:41 AM
Where you gets those electronic sprinkles?

I am going to get my house pretty soon..maybe another 3 months? However, kid still studying in Singapore so cant live in JB all the time and thus need some electronic to help me watering plants... Btw I bought a Ramba robot from ebay to help cleaning the floor.. US is selling at 290... Singapore is selling at 995.. How to live in Singapore when everything is so expensive?

Am also thinking of getting the Ramba Robot from the states. To and fro everyday so would like to relax a bit on the weekend. Still got lotsa cleaning and ironing to do.

Btw, are you getting the vacumm cleaner or the robot mop?

jasonjst
15-07-2011, 02:57 AM
Am also thinking of getting the Ramba Robot from the states. To and fro everyday so would like to relax a bit on the weekend. Still got lotsa cleaning and ironing to do.

Btw, are you getting the vacumm cleaner or the robot mop?

Robot mop really that good ? Mine became white elephant already ...

jasonjst
15-07-2011, 03:04 AM
like to share a true story: due to hi operating cost and termination of land use by dear sg government, a guy closed his pet farm and moved to johor, put in a million S$ and restart a pet farm to continue his passion of saving stray dogs and cats. sg pet welfare groups support him over the years. sg pet owners who paid a small sum to dump their pets in the farm usually dun turn up again to take care of pets or pay for any service. Local gangs demanded protection money. The guy ran out of fund in a few years and is/was struggling to survive.
I won't be surprised if I hear about dear sg families dump their elders across the causeway in old folks home and never show up or pay again, as it already happens in sg old folks home.

They charge very high like 1.7K a mth for basic stay in a home in SG ... how not to run road if families run out of money for kids , housing , etc . So if they put their elders across the causeway , chances of run road is lower , but still will have lots of unresponsible one lah ....

cathylmg
15-07-2011, 03:08 AM
Robot mop really that good ? Mine became white elephant already ...

:O Care to share your experiences? Which type have you gotten? What happened?

cathylmg
15-07-2011, 03:14 AM
They charge very high like 1.7K a mth for basic stay in a home in SG ... how not to run road if families run out of money for kids , housing , etc . So if they put their elders across the causeway , chances of run road is lower , but still will have lots of unresponsible one lah ....

Actually I don't like the idea of putting the elderly in a home. Imagine your own children dumping you there? I'd prefer a properly trained maid, or send the maid for training, to help take care of them. In this way, we or whoever sibblings who are free during the day, can just drop-in to give some supervision. Or spot check the maids. Also the elderly will still be able to see their children and grandchildren. ;)

I considered dumping the elder in a home an irresponsible act.

jasonjst
15-07-2011, 03:43 AM
:O Care to share your experiences? Which type have you gotten? What happened?

Find it just take too long to do the job leh , also need to make sure room is clear of any wires , rugs , relatively open space to work effectively . If go a small area , just suck it up with a protable vacuum lor , or sweep away is less hassle .
Cant remember Ramba .... xxxx
Anyway , my batt gone already because too long never use .

jasonjst
15-07-2011, 03:45 AM
Actually I don't like the idea of putting the elderly in a home. Imagine your own children dumping you there? I'd prefer a properly trained maid, or send the maid for training, to help take care of them. In this way, we or whoever sibblings who are free during the day, can just drop-in to give some supervision. Or spot check the maids. Also the elderly will still be able to see their children and grandchildren. ;)

I considered dumping the elder in a home an irresponsible act.

Sometime ppl bo pian one lah ... lots of issues you can never understand unless you are in their shoes lor

arsenal
15-07-2011, 03:59 AM
Hi Cathylmg,

In my experience last year when I didn't have maid for a period of 6 months, I relied the cleaning on the ramba robot..
I programmed the robot to work every other day at 10am. When I got home at night, I'll just pour out the dust that it collected.. Not too bad in my opinion.. and the robot would return to its charging station after battery running out..
However you need to prepare the room to make it friendly for the robot to move around..
Also since it is a robot, you need to lower the expectation too.. I found it clean much better than my old indo maid...





Am also thinking of getting the Ramba Robot from the states. To and fro everyday so would like to relax a bit on the weekend. Still got lotsa cleaning and ironing to do.

Btw, are you getting the vacumm cleaner or the robot mop?

cathylmg
15-07-2011, 04:30 AM
Hi Cathylmg,

In my experience last year when I didn't have maid for a period of 6 months, I relied the cleaning on the ramba robot..
I programmed the robot to work every other day at 10am. When I got home at night, I'll just pour out the dust that it collected.. Not too bad in my opinion.. and the robot would return to its charging station after battery running out..
However you need to prepare the room to make it friendly for the robot to move around..
Also since it is a robot, you need to lower the expectation too.. I found it clean much better than my old indo maid...

May I know where did you get the cleaner? Which brand? Did you bought it online or in Singapore. I find the sumsung one in Singapore enticing. But then again, comes with a ridiculous price tag.

arsenal
15-07-2011, 07:36 AM
May I know where did you get the cleaner? Which brand? Did you bought it online or in Singapore. I find the sumsung one in Singapore enticing. But then again, comes with a ridiculous price tag.

What I bought is irobot 560 from consumer electronic. around 270US + Fedex shipment =450++

Below is a listing from Singapore firm..
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/iRobot-Roomba-560-brand-new-240V-2011-design-/160618788524?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_216&hash=item2565a036ac

I think irobot is better than samsung.. check the review..

hangyong
15-07-2011, 02:18 PM
price for Fairway Suites South Tower in HH is out... going at about 440-450psf. Floor to floor difference of 10k. Biggest unit is only about 1243sft.

LeMans2011
15-07-2011, 02:51 PM
like to share a true story: due to hi operating cost and termination of land use by dear sg government, a guy closed his pet farm and moved to johor, put in a million S$ and restart a pet farm to continue his passion of saving stray dogs and cats. sg pet welfare groups support him over the years. sg pet owners who paid a small sum to dump their pets in the farm usually dun turn up again to take care of pets or pay for any service. Local gangs demanded protection money. The guy ran out of fund in a few years and is/was struggling to survive.
I won't be surprised if I hear about dear sg families dump their elders across the causeway in old folks home and never show up or pay again, as it already happens in sg old folks home.

Oh where did you hear about his plight? I was of the impression he is doing ok. But he is quite resourceful, printing calendars and all that for sale (i bought one :))
There is only one person who did this. He also has a few horses in his farm and some groups in SG organises excursion to the farm which is like a little zoo. Apart from him there is a Johorean who operated a shelter like him, but she is in a worse state.

My respects to these people for the sacrifice they make, i support them where i can occasionally.

fc3s1
15-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Calling all HH guys,

i was offered 600k for a sub sale newer intermediate cluster terrace at HH (GOLF) and was looking to jump right into it.
kindly offer some advise n opinions on the price n location..
what should i look out for?
Thanks!

ginfreely
15-07-2011, 04:03 PM
:O Care to share your experiences? Which type have you gotten? What happened?

I bought two different models from US some years ago too, both batteries didn't last long, cannot work after one year plus, better spend the money on part time maid instead. :D

mallow
15-07-2011, 06:17 PM
Oh where did you hear about his plight? I was of the impression he is doing ok. But he is quite resourceful, printing calendars and all that for sale (i bought one :)) There is only one person who did this. He also has a few horses in his farm and some groups in SG organises excursion to the farm which is like a little zoo. Apart from him there is a Johorean who operated a shelter like him, but she is in a worse state. My respects to these people for the sacrifice they make, i support them where i can occasionally.

The move of Noah's Ark out from Singapore is a long and sorry tale. Malu for Singapore.
Raymund the founder of Noah's Ark is a glorious eccentric, now with 850 dogs and 500 cats, a three legged monkey, some horses and a growing number of rabbits and the odd rescue of a civet cat, some discarded pythons .... in a true sanctuary extremely well run, in Ulu Choh near Pekan Nanas. Not hard to get to, and when they organize visits it is a super visit from Singapore. Drop in visitors are not welcome because the doggies run freely around and there is so much work in cleaning, organizing and feeding. But when the sanctuary is open to visitors you will get your fill of petting cats and dogs. Utterly marvellous for animal lovers.

It has been and will probably always be a huge struggle to keep the sanctuary going: fund raising is hell. Staff has to be paid, the cost of feed monthly is phenomenal. Raymund is organized and practical and still it is Very Hard Work. There are many formerly abused and abandoned dogs and cats - you see several three legged dogs, one-eyed cats and other survivors and rescued fellows. The saddest case of a survivor I saw was a cat with no tail and one eye from abuse as a kitten. But there are far more horrific stories that Raymund can tell, and truly tansi, such dedication and commitment is wondrous to behold.

Raymund has slaved to get Singapore authorities to wake up to allowing cats in HDB flats and pursue sterilization of strays there. He has another huge task in helping with education of kindness to animals in Malaysia and to work with vets and the SPCA in the various states to promote sterilization.

The website is below. No one person can solve this problem, and none of us has that much money to donate. But maybe we can each give a little?

http://www.nanasanctuary.blogspot.com/

LeMans2011
15-07-2011, 07:11 PM
Yes, he is a great man... it is utter shame that SG authorities make all decisions on the basis of dollars and cents. At the very least they should have offered a "less prime" location such as those Lim Chu Kang areas. It is really like a beautiful dream quashed. But kudos to the man for his perseverance.

A less resourceful equivalent of him will be a lady known as "aunty jiajia" a local Johorean. She has some help from global pets and i do make a point to drop in some donation whenever i'm there. However, it seems her location is a little hard to get to... need to drive through a palm oil plantation... something like that.

To be very honest i am not an animal lover... i only love my own dog... but my wife has quite soft spot for poor strays :)

geritan
15-07-2011, 11:38 PM
I bought two different models from US some years ago too, both batteries didn't last long, cannot work after one year plus, better spend the money on part time maid instead. :D

Yah, I heard part time maid is RM50/visit.

tansi
16-07-2011, 02:23 AM
from a lady pastor who shares a common passion to save stray pets. She knows the guy for years and she disclosed his plight when I was considering paying misc fees to bring strays to the guy's farm in johor. I had bought calenders etc but I believe the cost of operation is way high, talking about 1000+- pets. The horses could be those too old to continue in horsing racing and nowhere in sg can horses retire to a green pasture. Besides dear sg are not fond of horse meat.
Nursing homes, either for folks or pets, are likely to be an abandoning ground used by people, rich or poor.

pockaroo
16-07-2011, 05:32 AM
Btw, are you getting the vacumm cleaner or the robot mop?

I have 2 of those. Shipped those back from the US when I moved back. 2 problems/limitations.

It is good only for light vacuuming jobs - like daily runs of the robot. Also the battery lifespan. Mine last less than 2 years and the costs of replacement battery pack is expensive. I think was like 250 SGD for a new battery. Changed 1 year ago and now it is a matter of time the battery clonks. I have read if you know someone who can repair/replace battery pack, you can do it for less than half the price of a new battery.

arsenal
16-07-2011, 07:44 AM
Hi,
Any one knows any convenient place where I can get prepaid mobile phone and broadband SIMs card in Nusajaya? Can I get it at Petrol station?
Cheers

Avonup
16-07-2011, 09:10 AM
I will be finding out more as there is someone we got to know recently who can likely point us in the right direction without charge. I will let you know once i get back news.

Many thanks.

wuqi256
16-07-2011, 09:28 AM
Hi,
Any one knows any convenient place where I can get prepaid mobile phone and broadband SIMs card in Nusajaya? Can I get it at Petrol station?
Cheers

You can get them at booths easily at most Tesco and Jusco, if you are in Bukit Indah area. Carrefour has a lot of shops too. Not sure for Petrol Stations though.

arsenal
16-07-2011, 03:27 PM
You can get them at booths easily at most Tesco and Jusco, if you are in Bukit Indah area. Carrefour has a lot of shops too. Not sure for Petrol Stations though.

Thanks Wuqi.. Wish to meet you guys one day for coffee or drinks at HH... Lots of things in my mind.. How you guys watch TV? Install Astro or find someone who can install satellite dish?

arsenal
16-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Calling all HH guys,

i was offered 600k for a sub sale newer intermediate cluster terrace at HH (GOLF) and was looking to jump right into it.
kindly offer some advise n opinions on the price n location..
what should i look out for?
Thanks!

Hi Fc3s1,
Since the clusters in the hills are going for 928k onwards, I guess 600k is a good bargain...even though it is all your call and judgment.. I am please to see more countryman staying here and form a new community..
Rgds

TLPPL
16-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Hi Wuqi and all,

stumble across this thread while doing my research for relocating to Johor. Like many others, my push factor is the cost of living here in SG, and I had practically had given up on hope that my wages can keep up with the ever-raising minimum for survival.

The info here are exceptionally good and valuable, and I was attempting to read all in this thread so to understand the changes since Aug 2009. Unfortunately at 404 pages, I find it quite difficult to grasp the current situation, to serve my need. Hence I hope that some of my worries can be helped by someone that frequent this thread...

To put in perspective, I am seeking rental (not purchase, yet) and looking at Nusajaya area (HH, Ledang Height, East Ledang or nearby), for travelling via 2nd Link is faster to my current workplace in Boon Lay. My rental budget is only about 1k MYR/mth though, hence the first worry is whether there is available places in these area that is within my budget.

Also thru the few pages that I managed to look, the general sentiment is condo / apartment are not advisable (for the good reasons mentioned that I agreed). But I doubt there are landed place that fit in my budget. So the second worry is if there are any apartments in the Nusajaya area that I can seek out for my specified needs?

Really hope to hear from someone here. Thanks!

contra
16-07-2011, 05:26 PM
Hi Fc3s1,
Since the clusters in the hills are going for 928k onwards, I guess 600k is a good bargain...even though it is all your call and judgment.. I am please to see more countryman staying here and form a new community..
Rgds


Hi Fc3s1,
The alphabet soup of terrace houses are quite diverse in Iskandar. Got to make sure comparing right things...

HILLS Clusters mentioned of 928k are probably Terrace corner lots? (arsenal pls correct me if I am wrong)

Your question pertains to "intermediate cluster terrace at HH (GOLF)"


HILLS Intermediate Superlink Terraces (Type A & B) are going for 750k/700k..

I guess better clarify in order to make right decisions. Intermediate cluster means intermediate superlink terrace?

If in the end still not sure, can ask the HH Sales people for their opinion. But be careful the good experienced ones like Shinyi will try to convince you to buy a semi-D :)

mooksw
16-07-2011, 05:30 PM
I am planning to buy a house in Johor. For rental income until I retire then take back for own stay.

Any good recommendation ?

Tku

wuqi256
16-07-2011, 06:38 PM
Thanks Wuqi.. Wish to meet you guys one day for coffee or drinks at HH... Lots of things in my mind.. How you guys watch TV? Install Astro or find someone who can install satellite dish?

We installed the normal antenna on top and got Astro to do the installation FOC for the satellite dish.

Bigfatfish
16-07-2011, 11:53 PM
Calling all HH guys,

i was offered 600k for a sub sale newer intermediate cluster terrace at HH (GOLF) and was looking to jump right into it.
kindly offer some advise n opinions on the price n location..
what should i look out for?
Thanks!


which part of golf? Pingirran no? I used to look ard all of golf, if it's 5 or 6, it should be quite a good deal. 1) direction of house, 2) defects in house, 3) neighbours, 4) fengshui.

Bigfatfish
16-07-2011, 11:58 PM
which part of golf? Pingirran no? I used to look ard all of golf, if it's 5 or 6, it should be quite a good deal. 1) direction of house, 2) defects in house, 3) neighbours, 4) fengshui.

Very highly unlikely it will be pinggirran 3 or 4.

arsenal
17-07-2011, 02:49 AM
From what I learned from the HH sales, the Hill clusters start from 928K onwards... The corner units (few left) from 1.1M onwards..and many people are leaving their cheques to HH so to secure the new cluster batch once released..
Of course, price has shot up quite a lot..



Hi Fc3s1,
The alphabet soup of terrace houses are quite diverse in Iskandar. Got to make sure comparing right things...

HILLS Clusters mentioned of 928k are probably Terrace corner lots? (arsenal pls correct me if I am wrong)

Your question pertains to "intermediate cluster terrace at HH (GOLF)"


HILLS Intermediate Superlink Terraces (Type A & B) are going for 750k/700k..

I guess better clarify in order to make right decisions. Intermediate cluster means intermediate superlink terrace?

If in the end still not sure, can ask the HH Sales people for their opinion. But be careful the good experienced ones like Shinyi will try to convince you to buy a semi-D :)

mallow
17-07-2011, 04:55 AM
Hi Wuqi and all, stumble across this thread while doing my research for relocating to Johor. Like many others, my push factor is the cost of living here in SG, and I had practically had given up on hope that my wages can keep up with the ever-raising minimum for survival...To put in perspective, I am seeking rental (not purchase, yet) and looking at Nusajaya area (HH, Ledang Height, East Ledang or nearby), for travelling via 2nd Link is faster to my current workplace in Boon Lay. My rental budget is only about 1k MYR/mth though, hence the first worry is whether there is available places in these area that is within my budget....But I doubt there are landed place that fit in my budget. So the second worry is if there are any apartments in the Nusajaya area that I can seek out for my specified needs? ... Thanks!

Hi TLPPL
Nusajaya prices have gone through the roof, both sale and rental. If you are looking to rent a house - semi-D or terrace - look at Gelang Patah, Perling and Bukit Indah, where you may still find these at between RM$500 - $1000 a month. Singaporeans who are of the same mind are already renting these and living happily. The big concern is security - every conceivable precaution should be taken; get to know your neighbours and be helpful to them; do not be showy and show off; be sure you are dealing with the owner or the owner's appointed agent before parting with any money.
With luck and wisdom you are likely to be happier, at ease and less stressed, and certainly financially better off when you find the place that suits you to rent.
All good wishes

mallow
17-07-2011, 05:08 AM
Yes, he is a great man... it is utter shame that SG authorities make all decisions on the basis of dollars and cents. At the very least they should have offered a "less prime" location such as those Lim Chu Kang areas. It is really like a beautiful dream quashed. But kudos to the man for his perseverance.A less resourceful equivalent of him will be a lady known as "aunty jiajia" a local Johorean. She has some help from global pets and i do make a point to drop in some donation whenever i'm there. However, it seems her location is a little hard to get to... need to drive through a palm oil plantation... something like that....

It is not to say that Raymund operates in a vacuum. He's been at this for 20+ years [that alone is a wonder!] and has a committee in Singapore who are dedicated and hard working. STILL fund raising is a huge difficulty, as all charities face, while his front line activities I don't think anyone else can do.

To run such a large operation is not a bleeding heart matter. Now and then in Spore and Malaysia we read of some dear soul who has far too many underfed and underwashed cats or dogs or both in a stinking house/flat/yard - I see this as a good heart gone wrong, because we need to know our limits. Really, education and sterilization are the only answers. Education includes to adults who buy cute pets and later abandon them; people who keep dogs in cages all day in the sun or partial shade only to let them out as 'guards' at night etc etc

It says everything about a person and a nation as to how we treat animals ... there is no place for cruelty in a civilized society, not even to snakes let alone dogs.

TLPPL
17-07-2011, 08:28 AM
Hi mallow,

Thanks for the reply, apprieciate it.

About Gelang Patah, I came across the Nusa Perdana Apartment, which I am guessing is the only apartment in this area? Does anyone has any opinions (good or bad doesn't matter) about this place?

Thanks!

Avonup
17-07-2011, 10:55 AM
:O Care to share your experiences? Which type have you gotten? What happened?

Hi Cathy,
We had a ramba for about 6 mths. Found it useful. Surprising the small machine could do quite a good job, floor is quite clean. It is true that you would need to keep the place rather obstacle free. Generally, no complian. However, I understand that the battery is rather costly.

wuqi256
17-07-2011, 11:10 AM
TLPPL, the budget you wrote about, if you can increase it slightly to 1600 MYR, you are still able to rent a terrace in HH. Else there are also other developments but best is gated and guarded ones. You can go to www.iproperty.com.my to start looking and with 1k MYR, you should still be able to find something.

wuqi256
17-07-2011, 11:27 AM
Bros here, to help avoid confusion, from my limited knowledge, for the most common property definition in terms of size, from smallest to biggest is:
_ _ _ _
/_\/_\/_\/_\
|1 |2 | 3|4 |
------------
Terrace = Houses that are linked from both sides in a row, like the diagram, from #1 to #4. Some rows may even number in the tens
Terrace (Intermediate terrace) - Also known as linked house in local lingo
Terrace (Corner) as illustrated by house # 1 and #4.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Front Back
_ _ _ _
/_\/_\ /_\/_\
|1 |2 | |3 |4 |
------ ------

Aerial view
| 3 | 4 |
| 1 | 2 |

Cluster = Houses that is part of a set of 4 where its linked by one of its side as well as the back is back to back with a neighbour
Cluster
Cluster (End lot, normally with a bigger garden area, in this case, depending on the side, it may be considered as an end lot as there are no more
cluster plots neighbouring one end.

Clusters are also marketed by certain developers as Linked Semi-D as they look exactly like Semi-Ds from the front
__________________________________________________ _______________


Semi-D
| 1 | 2 |

Two houses joined together one one end whether you are looking from the front or aerial view
Some developers link them back to back instead and call them linked bungalow, aeria view is like
this:
| 1 |
| 2 |

From the front, it really looks like a bungalow but linked back to back
__________________________________________________ ________________

Bungalow
| 0 |

One unit by itself normally

wuqi256
17-07-2011, 11:41 AM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)

wuqi256
17-07-2011, 11:43 AM
Really sad to hear about the state of affairs for the animals. Perharps there should be some kind of mandatory neutering laws which stipulates unless for authorized or licensed breeders, else all animals will be sterilized when first imported. At least helps to keep the unwanted/abandoned animal numbers down. Seen so many abandoned animals, its sad. Kudos to those providing for them. Respect.

jasonjst
17-07-2011, 12:51 PM
Bros here, to help avoid confusion, from my limited knowledge, for the most common property definition in terms of size, from smallest to biggest is:
_ _ _ _
/_\/_\/_\/_\
|1 |2 | 3|4 |
------------
Terrace = Houses that are linked from both sides in a row, like the diagram, from #1 to #4. Some rows may even number in the tens
Terrace (Intermediate terrace) - Also known as linked house in local lingo
Terrace (Corner) as illustrated by house # 1 and #4.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Front Back
_ _ _ _
/_\/_\ /_\/_\
|1 |2 | |3 |4 |
------ ------

Aerial view
| 3 | 4 |
| 1 | 2 |

Cluster = Houses that is part of a set of 4 where its linked by one of its side as well as the back is back to back with a neighbour
Cluster
Cluster (End lot, normally with a bigger garden area, in this case, depending on the side, it may be considered as an end lot as there are no more
cluster plots neighbouring one end.

Clusters are also marketed by certain developers as Linked Semi-D as they look exactly like Semi-Ds from the front
__________________________________________________ _______________


Semi-D
| 1 | 2 |

Two houses joined together one one end whether you are looking from the front or aerial view
Some developers link them back to back instead and call them linked bungalow, aeria view is like
this:
| 1 |
| 2 |

From the front, it really looks like a bungalow but linked back to back
__________________________________________________ ________________

Bungalow
| 0 |

One unit by itself normally

Yes this is correct , some developer just like to confuse ppls with villa , super link , etc to give ppls a wrong impression. I belive you need to look at the size , materials , design and workmanship too . Most importantly the location , right ?

wuqi256
17-07-2011, 01:18 PM
I noticed some villas are actually more like semi-Ds. Super links are actually just bigger terrace units. They also tend to give you better furnishing to add value.

Investor
17-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)

Hi Wuqi, what's the URL of your blog?

LeMans2011
17-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)

Congrats. Which means to say we will behave like gentlemen at your blog, and free to fight and quarrel here in the true spirit of Sammyboy :-D

contra
17-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)

Brilliant! All-in-one-spot-info-depository incl your wisdom of the nooks and crannies of Iskandar. Hope you will keep it as commercial-free as possible to remain objective and unbiased. But do come back here to engage in Q&A and the conversations. Your opinion always valuable. Do share the url when ready...

And hey, thanks for the clarification of clusters vs superlink terrace. So clusters is a clever way of marketing a similar-sized terrace house by laying out differently in ways that appeal to diff people (esp those who do not cook).

geritan
18-07-2011, 12:46 AM
Yes this is correct , some developer just like to confuse ppls with villa , super link , etc to give ppls a wrong impression. I belive you need to look at the size , materials , design and workmanship too . Most importantly the location , right ?

Another way to compare is their land size, whether it's a 24'x70' or 50'x80' etc plus their built-up. I think it will be clearer rather than comparing type of houses classified by the developer.

Grago
18-07-2011, 02:31 AM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)
Congratulations, it will be a success as this thread has proved:D
An occasional or more visit back here goes without saying as I'm sure most forummers would look forward to. Please give us your new site addy.

jasonjst
18-07-2011, 02:48 AM
Another way to compare is their land size, whether it's a 24'x70' or 50'x80' etc plus their built-up. I think it will be clearer rather than comparing type of houses classified by the developer.

I prefer more squaris type , rather than the long and deep kind lor .

arsenal
18-07-2011, 03:30 AM
Another way to compare is their land size, whether it's a 24'x70' or 50'x80' etc plus their built-up. I think it will be clearer rather than comparing type of houses classified by the developer.

Some clusters at the Gateway or Golf have land size of 4000sqt and buiilt up of 24'x70.. So it is really quite difficult to compare.. The new link terrrace at the hill are big and modern and thus the price is steep and corner cluster starting at great than 1M is comparable to SemiD in size and price..

arsenal
18-07-2011, 03:35 AM
Can anyone share with me any good and trustworthy contractors or interior designers in JB?

Do I have to buy aircons, fans, etc first or to engage ID or contractors separately to install for me?

Is there a place like IMM in JB where I can find almost all the ID, contractors at the same place?

Any recommendation for kitchen cabinets etc..?

jasonjst
18-07-2011, 03:42 AM
They charge very high like 1.7K a mth for basic stay in a home in SG ... how not to run road if families run out of money for kids , housing , etc . So if they put their elders across the causeway , chances of run road is lower , but still will have lots of unresponsible one lah ....

Now got someone posted this :-

http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2666428

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/singaporeans-dying-away-home-134247626.html

east539
18-07-2011, 03:47 AM
From what I learned from the HH sales, the Hill clusters start from 928K onwards... The corner units (few left) from 1.1M onwards..and many people are leaving their cheques to HH so to secure the new cluster batch once released..
Of course, price has shot up quite a lot..

Yes, arsenal is correct, intermediate unit is going from 820k onward & cluster form 900k onward.

Skippy
18-07-2011, 03:50 AM
Congrats. Which means to say we will behave like gentlemen at your blog, and free to fight and quarrel here in the true spirit of Sammyboy :-D

Wow i've so much to read since the last log in... Yippie Bro Wuqi.. long awaited for you to start... do keep us updated...

As for the drink kopi session... my deep deep apologies... i've still searching a good location. Hence i'm also waiting for a good timing.. i guess it'll be very soon... give me a bit more time on this... Thanks for your kind patience...

Cheers... Wink**

LeMans2011
18-07-2011, 03:58 AM
Huh that's easy. Just congregate at the restaurant outside HH sales office... nice view and no need to worry about attendance

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 04:28 AM
Hi all,

I will definitely keep the site free from any bias, as i would be sharing some photos as well as more personal information there, would PM some of the bros here rather than sharing it.

Arsenal, for lighting, go to Trendy lighting in Nusa Bestari area.I just shared a long list of contacts some ten pages back. For fans, washing machine, fridge, aircon, you can go to the shop in Perling Mall (1st floor electronics shop).

For aircon alone, BH Aircon at Nusa Bestai (same row as Trendy Lighting) Money changer you can also go there (with the orange signboard) as its the best so far(IMHO)

This is as close as one stop as one can get. :)

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 04:32 AM
Thanks Contra, just a small one, definitely will remain neutral, its just that on the blog i can share much more.

arsenal
18-07-2011, 04:48 AM
Huh that's easy. Just congregate at the restaurant outside HH sales office... nice view and no need to worry about attendance

Count me in..

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 04:50 AM
Ok sent. Sent to 10 so far. Need to clear my mailbox before i can send again.
Please help me keep the blog private by not sharing the URL here.

Cheers

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 05:16 AM
Agree, easy to design and put in furniture. Long deep kind is good in one sense as it makes you feel its bigger than it really is

east539
18-07-2011, 05:20 AM
Ok sent. Sent to 10 so far. Need to clear my mailbox before i can send again.
Please help me keep the blog private by not sharing the URL here.

Cheers

Hi Wuqi,

Can i have the blog URL too? love to read & know more info abt buying & staying in HH.

Investor
18-07-2011, 07:06 AM
Ok sent. Sent to 10 so far. Need to clear my mailbox before i can send again.
Please help me keep the blog private by not sharing the URL here.

Cheers

Surprised to see that you've already written so much, nice blog!

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 07:27 AM
Surprised to see that you've already written so much, nice blog!

Thanks, some of it is actually content that i posted here for archival purposes as i need another way to keep my posts after the past server issues encountered here. I will add more to it soon.

arsenal
18-07-2011, 08:01 AM
Hi Wuqi,
Can I have your blog address too?
Cheers

wuqi256
18-07-2011, 08:24 AM
Ok sent, i think after this not going to invite anymore as its going to be more of a small scale page of my ramblings. :)

Jogs1
18-07-2011, 12:30 PM
Ok sent, i think after this not going to invite anymore as its going to be more of a small scale page of my ramblings. :)

:( Oh.... I too late!

abugumgum
18-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Finally decided to start my own blog,
i know its a little late by some buddies
have asked me to so just started. :)

A blog can better organise the information that have been shared here, for reference.

Thumbs up.

contra
18-07-2011, 07:24 PM
Hi all,

I will definitely keep the site free from any bias, as i would be sharing some photos as well as more personal information there, would PM some of the bros here rather than sharing it.

Arsenal, for lighting, go to Trendy lighting in Nusa Bestari area.I just shared a long list of contacts some ten pages back. For fans, washing machine, fridge, aircon, you can go to the shop in Perling Mall (1st floor electronics shop).

For aircon alone, BH Aircon at Nusa Bestai (same row as Trendy Lighting) Money changer you can also go there (with the orange signboard) as its the best so far(IMHO)

This is as close as one stop as one can get. :)

Hi wuqi,

I understand your blog is a work-in-progress thus not ready to 'open' yet. Some quick feedback. .

1/ You could put in Google ads for cost-recovery...You have expended so much personal resources for the benefit of others, you should make some cost-recovery.

2/ I like the Q&A format with some look-back-in-time reminescence. Only comment is the "A" should be highlighted so that your replies can be distinguished from the Q. (It does make me remember some pioneers like dapbest - am yet to search for his 'traffic lights' money changer in Perling ;) )

3/ I like the photos. At last I can understand the Hills Cluster. Did not know that HH has decided to make show houses now. I remember clusters only from my visit to Nusa Duta...

Cheers & keep up the good stuff. I will click on any Google ads that pop-up.

contra
18-07-2011, 07:39 PM
Hi friends , I have been crossing the last few weekends in search of food & exploration further up north.

Restoran Pekin in Sutera Mall is a favourite for good cooking skills. Pappa Rich in Taman Sutera for good nostalgic kopitiam food and the Nasi Lemak in Oldtown White Coffee in Jusco is very nice at very nice prices too. The sambal special. Last weekend went to Kukup. Kukup seafood is overrated but I get it. Is the overall experience (ferry terminal to Indonesia, boat to fish farms and mangrove swamp on wooden elevated walkways, the quirky car parks with shuttle into the one-lane 'town').

The car wash in Pontian Kecil at the main junction from Pekan Nenas does a great job in rubbing stubborn dirt off for RM10 for Sing cars but worth it. On the way back wonderful durian on roadside for RM4 per kilo for the premium kampung durians from a nice old chinese lady whose trees are just by the roadside (between Pontian Kecil & Pekan Nenas), bitter -sweet variety yum. Odd fact is Pontian Kecil is bigger than Pontian Besar.


Still looking for a good dim sum / yum cha place. Is the new one in HH good?

Any other tips of your favourite eating places in Bukit Indah other than Jusco pls share ? Appreciate sharing your favourites?

Investor
19-07-2011, 01:31 AM
http://www.nusajayacity.com/enewsletter/2011/junjuly/page01.html

PREMIUM VALUE FOR
PROPERTIES IN NUSAJAYA

Property values in Nusajaya have been increasing since its launch in 2007– evident by the speed at which these residences are snapped up like pisang goreng panas (hot banana fritters).

"East Ledang provided a different lifestyle to people like us who look for space, nature and outdoor activities. If nothing ever changed, there'd be no butterflies", Erika - East Ledang resident and an active blogger. It is no surprise that residential property values have been strong with upward movements of between 30% and 40% over the past four years. Home owners are land-banking in Nusajaya as they see the potential that awaits Asia's first regional city in southern Malaysia.

Discerning homebuyers now consider factors such as location, security features and developer's track record as compared to conventional home buyers who take price as a crucial factor in their decision-making. Contemporary homebuyers have no qualms about investing more on their properties and as such place high expectations, including better designs, layout, amenities, fine landscaping and safety as well as security features.

At Nusajaya, well-appointed residences feature hints of modernity and tropical architecture located within a gated and guarded vicinity. The award-winning East Ledang enclave –recognized as one of South East Asia's 20 Best Resort Developments 2010 Property Report, deploys the unique East Ledang Security Intelligence System (ELSiS), dubbed as one of the most advanced security management system in Malaysia. The incorporation of Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTED) concept is also prominent in a majority of the developments in Nusajaya.

"A Nusajaya residence is a sanctuary that promises you privacy, safety and exclusivity despite being in the heart of a township that is touted to be the future focal point of Johor."
New Straits Times These signature residences are not mere structures of bricks and mortar but embodiments of lifestyle statements that combine the best that urban living can offer. These attributes are complemented by facilities and amenities such as the magnificent Puteri Harbour, Legoland and EduCity, enhanced by the convenience of nearby malls such as Tesco, Giant, Aeon Bukit Indah, Mydin and Anjung neighbourhood centre. The latest addition to these amenities would be the Johor Premium Outlet in Kulai that is due to launch in November 2011.

Nusajaya residential offerings are further strengthened by the premier location of Nusajaya – located 30 minutes from Johor Bahru city centre, 20 minutes from Senai International Airport and 10 minutes away from the Port of Tanjung Pelepas. The completion of several major road projects in Iskandar Malaysia such as the New Coastal Highway (due to complete end 2011), Eastern Dispersal Link Expressway and Senai-Pasir Gudang Desaru Expressway in the next one to two years would contribute to enhance connectivity with this southern-most tip of Asia.

Investor
19-07-2011, 01:36 AM
http://www.nusajayacity.com/enewsletter/2011/junjuly/page02.html

JOHAN CRUYFF INSTITUTE
COMES TO NUSAJAYA

EduCity@Iskandar, the regional education hub that is gaining momentum, admits another illustrious educational institution into its fold. The internationally renowned Johan Cruyff Institute for Sports Studies (JCI) will be coming to Nusajaya to establish Asia's first institute for sports management – the Johan Cruyff Institute Malaysia (JCIM).

As the fifth international JCI following Barcelona, Mexico, Amsterdam and Stockholm, JCIM in Nusajaya is strategically positioned to capitalise on Asia Pacific's growing sports market as well as Malaysia's burgeoning sports industry.

Founded by Dutch football legend Johan Cruyff, JCI has been grooming athletes, former athletes, coaches and sports leaders the world over under its acclaimed Total Athlete Development programme, for more than a decade. This programme is geared at developing excellent sports management skills while cultivating educated leaders in the world of sports.

JCI graduates, who had successfully undergone the institution's rigorous tutelage and training, are highly sought after in the global sporting industry. Thus the future JCIM graduates, who will be accredited by the International Association for Continuing Education and Training, are presented with the potential to lead Asia's growth as a centre of sports and education excellence.

JCIM will join JCI's international network consisting of four Institutes, two Universities and six Colleges, with projects in Ecuador, Brazil, South Africa and the United States, among others. This sporting institution aims to provide an environment that cultivates both sporting and academic excellence while weaving a sense of camaraderie within the Asian sporting community.

abugumgum
19-07-2011, 03:06 AM
Still looking for a good dim sum / yum cha place. Is the new one in HH good?



I find the Dim sum at Restaurant Chaw Yuan to be nice, so far.
It is located at - 1 Jalan Jati 2, Tanan Nusa Bestari Jaya, 81300 Skudai, Johor.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1+Jalan+Jati+2,+Tanan+Nusa+Bestari+Jaya,+81 300+Skudai,+Johor.&hl=en&ll=1.497897,103.65665&spn=0.007883,0.013078&sll=1.352083,103.819836&sspn=1.009074,1.674042&z=17

Grago
19-07-2011, 03:12 AM
I had the freedom of staying in my house in HH over the weekends. Must say that the place is serene and peaceful, even on weekend nights. The roads inside are deserted but that does not mean its dangerous. I feel so safe to be walking along the main road outside my house at 9pm.. except for a few speeding cars who become too complacent. I love to stroll along the golf course perimeter, overlooking The Golf Semi-dees where its under construction.
As the days progressed, the capital appreciation is on-going. I am contented that I have secured some units here for my investments and retirement.


The dim-sum at the corner shoplot around Fairways Suites is nothing to shout about.. But at least it is a decent place to hang out and have a decent breakfast.. I love to drive around the clubhouse on weekends... just to observe the fast and luxury cars gathering there for their weekly golfing sessions. I always associate a place success and potential with the number of supercars parked around the place..

Life suddenly become slow in HH.. Too slow for my comfort during the weekdays when I became relaxed. I enjoy washing my car inside the car pouch with water running, not worrying about the cost as water is still cheap here.

Air at night is too. I dont even on the aircon and close up all the windows with fan at just level 1!

HH, becareful, you might just forget where is Singapore and whether you want to go back:D Good that you are enjoying your investment....

east539
19-07-2011, 04:23 AM
Hi wuqi,

I understand your blog is a work-in-progress thus not ready to 'open' yet. Some quick feedback. .

1/ You could put in Google ads for cost-recovery...You have expended so much personal resources for the benefit of others, you should make some cost-recovery.

2/ I like the Q&A format with some look-back-in-time reminescence. Only comment is the "A" should be highlighted so that your replies can be distinguished from the Q. (It does make me remember some pioneers like dapbest - am yet to search for his 'traffic lights' money changer in Perling ;) )

3/ I like the photos. At last I can understand the Hills Cluster. Did not know that HH has decided to make show houses now. I remember clusters only from my visit to Nusa Duta...

Cheers & keep up the good stuff. I will click on any Google ads that pop-up.

HH to make Show house? confirm? when is it ready for viewing ah?

arsenal
19-07-2011, 04:25 AM
I had the freedom of staying in my house in HH over the weekends. Must say that the place is serene and peaceful, even on weekend nights. The roads inside are deserted but that does not mean its dangerous. I feel so safe to be walking along the main road outside my house at 9pm.. except for a few speeding cars who become too complacent. I love to stroll along the golf course perimeter, overlooking The Golf Semi-dees where its under construction.

As the days progressed, the capital appreciation is on-going. I am contented that I have secured some units here for my investments and retirement.

The dim-sum at the corner shoplot around Fairways Suites is nothing to shout about.. But at least it is a decent place to hang out and have a decent breakfast.. I love to drive around the clubhouse on weekends... just to observe the fast and luxury cars gathering there for their weekly golfing sessions. I always associate a place success and potential with the number of supercars parked around the place..

Life suddenly become slow in HH.. Too slow for my comfort during the weekdays when I became relaxed. I enjoy washing my car inside the car pouch with water running, not worrying about the cost as water is still cheap here.

Air at night is too. I dont even on the aircon and close up all the windows with fan at just level 1!

I guess if I stay in HH for a period of time, I might really opt for early retirement from Singapore and start looking for new source of income/life in JB..

Skippy
19-07-2011, 04:58 AM
I had the freedom of staying in my house in HH over the weekends. Must say that the place is serene and peaceful, even on weekend nights. The roads inside are deserted but that does not mean its dangerous. I feel so safe to be walking along the main road outside my house at 9pm.. except for a few speeding cars who become too complacent. I love to stroll along the golf course perimeter, overlooking The Golf Semi-dees where its under construction.

As the days progressed, the capital appreciation is on-going. I am contented that I have secured some units here for my investments and retirement.

The dim-sum at the corner shoplot around Fairways Suites is nothing to shout about.. But at least it is a decent place to hang out and have a decent breakfast.. I love to drive around the clubhouse on weekends... just to observe the fast and luxury cars gathering there for their weekly golfing sessions. I always associate a place success and potential with the number of supercars parked around the place..

Life suddenly become slow in HH.. Too slow for my comfort during the weekdays when I became relaxed. I enjoy washing my car inside the car pouch with water running, not worrying about the cost as water is still cheap here.

Air at night is too. I dont even on the aircon and close up all the windows with fan at just level 1!

wow Bro HH... i'm full of envy.... i just cant wait to shift in by the way you describe... the comfort and the serenity make me so wana chiong over.. U are indeed lucky and surely relaxed... not forgetting u oso pocket full full cos of your wisdom... saving and planning wisely for retirement as well. I'm sure i've got lotsa to learn from you! Of course many other brothers & sisters here too.... thanks for the sharings... Cheers!

mallow
19-07-2011, 07:52 AM
There are so many massage parlours, so many decent hair salon, spa etc that I am spolit for choice. The only thing I dont like it here in Nusajaya is that life is too slow. I have a fierce competitive streak in me so this is just a place for me to recharge my energy, not to stay everyday.

Then don't you truly have the best of both worlds, Singapore and Johor? Actually, isn't it even better than that? Meaning that if you are staying in Johor most of the time, your cost of living is waaay down and the savings can be blown when the competitive streak goes rampant and you head to Singapore.

Because of our garden and heow cats and dogs, we're constantly busy around house and garden. Somehow it does not seem like work. Then work, astro, friends, internet, eating out ... busy busy!

Wuxi - your mailbox is full

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Hi wuqi,

I understand your blog is a work-in-progress thus not ready to 'open' yet. Some quick feedback. .

1/ You could put in Google ads for cost-recovery...You have expended so much personal resources for the benefit of others, you should make some cost-recovery.

2/ I like the Q&A format with some look-back-in-time reminescence. Only comment is the "A" should be highlighted so that your replies can be distinguished from the Q. (It does make me remember some pioneers like dapbest - am yet to search for his 'traffic lights' money changer in Perling ;) )

3/ I like the photos. At last I can understand the Hills Cluster. Did not know that HH has decided to make show houses now. I remember clusters only from my visit to Nusa Duta...

Cheers & keep up the good stuff. I will click on any Google ads that pop-up.

Thanks bro Contra for the feedback, sounds like a good idea. The cluster house i displayed is actually in The Gateway.
Many thanks, i will follow your guidance.

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:33 AM
Hi bro Mallow, my apologies, i have cleared it already.

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:37 AM
Yeah, its good in a way but if I were to pay for both the instalment of my house in JB and Spore, I would have to fork out S$5000 a montn. Prefer to rent either one of them out to get some cash

I would humbly recommend to rent out your SG one, that way, with the high exchange rate now, you benefit more if you are living on the other side of the causeway. :)

I am glad that this forum is so lively and mostly full of folks like you and skippy, RT and the regulars who are positive. Unlike most i meet whenever i am back in SG prefer to always dwell on the problem, think negative about everything and yet do nothing about it. Worse is imaginary fear.

One minute, its the coming of the disease plague, next the locusts. Me? I will make fried locust sandwich. Not exactly appetizing but it will do. :P

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:41 AM
wow Bro HH... i'm full of envy.... i just cant wait to shift in by the way you describe... the comfort and the serenity make me so wana chiong over.. U are indeed lucky and surely relaxed... not forgetting u oso pocket full full cos of your wisdom... saving and planning wisely for retirement as well. I'm sure i've got lotsa to learn from you! Of course many other brothers & sisters here too.... thanks for the sharings... Cheers!

Hey Skippy, you will soon enjoy it. Walking around even in the middle of the night, a local friend came, saw and then told me he got his brothers buy in and recently
got one. He will be doing his renovation soon. The serenity and the lifestyle, its really different.

I know some will come by and say its no big deal as each house is only a HDB flat. A learned neighbour asked me this, how many in SG own or can afford more than 1 HDB flat though especially with current pricing?

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:42 AM
I find the Dim sum at Restaurant Chaw Yuan to be nice, so far.
It is located at - 1 Jalan Jati 2, Tanan Nusa Bestari Jaya, 81300 Skudai, Johor.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1+Jalan+Jati+2,+Tanan+Nusa+Bestari+Jaya,+81 300+Skudai,+Johor.&hl=en&ll=1.497897,103.65665&spn=0.007883,0.013078&sll=1.352083,103.819836&sspn=1.009074,1.674042&z=17

Thanks for sharing abugumgum, i am actually there or at the Perling place most of the time for Tim Sum. I don't find the one at the HH coffeeshop that good. Chaw Yuan is really nice with conversion to Teochew food in the evening. Their ginseng tea with red dates and "guiling" gao is good too.

wuqi256
19-07-2011, 10:44 AM
In the future I am not sure but at least now, today, S$1000 = RM 2460. I sometimes want to pay my stuff in Singapore with Ringgit.. because I am so used to spending money without thinking in Nusajaya. There are so many massage parlours, so many decent hair salon, spa etc that I am spolit for choice. The only thing I dont like it here in Nusajaya is that life is too slow. I have a fierce competitive streak in me so this is just a place for me to recharge my energy, not to stay everyday.

Happened to me too until i went to SG and found that pricing has got so crazy back in SG. Even an ex colleague of mine who earn more than the average Joe is struggling. Once you have family, its a real challenge. Maybe you can consider to start a business here as well?

Investor
19-07-2011, 12:53 PM
I had the freedom of staying in my house in HH over the weekends. Must say that the place is serene and peaceful, even on weekend nights. The roads inside are deserted but that does not mean its dangerous. I feel so safe to be walking along the main road outside my house at 9pm.. except for a few speeding cars who become too complacent. I love to stroll along the golf course perimeter, overlooking The Golf Semi-dees where its under construction.

As the days progressed, the capital appreciation is on-going. I am contented that I have secured some units here for my investments and retirement.

The dim-sum at the corner shoplot around Fairways Suites is nothing to shout about.. But at least it is a decent place to hang out and have a decent breakfast.. I love to drive around the clubhouse on weekends... just to observe the fast and luxury cars gathering there for their weekly golfing sessions. I always associate a place success and potential with the number of supercars parked around the place..

Life suddenly become slow in HH.. Too slow for my comfort during the weekdays when I became relaxed. I enjoy washing my car inside the car pouch with water running, not worrying about the cost as water is still cheap here.

Air at night is too. I dont even on the aircon and close up all the windows with fan at just level 1!

Hi horizonhills,

A forumer here did mentioned that your style of writing seems to be like another forumer Dxxxxxt, I'm guessing the same :) Someone also mentioned that Lemans seems to be Cxxxxxxxt and I guess it's likely too. Anyway I consider both of you as old forum friends.

Although 3 of us bought properties in Nusajaya at around the same time, I'm only enjoying half of what both of you have already been enjoying and that's being happy with my decision to invest in Nusajaya. The feeling is definitely great when our investments appreciate right after we committed, whether it's in properties or daily trading of stocks :) The other half which I still can't enjoy is the weekend stay in Nusajaya since my units are not ready yet :mad:

I've never, in any single moment, worry that my investments in Nusajaya might be a wrong move. No investment in this world has 100% chance of profiting but I see a 95% chance of profiting from Nusajaya when I judged it last year. I gave it only a 5% chance for something bad which might happen and affect my investments, like for example the change of government's plan(but even if that happen, it still won't be financially threatening to me since we don't place all eggs in one basket anyway). Of course we don't just pluck an imaginary figure of 95%, we judge it after doing our own due diligence on Nusajaya's prospect and background at that point of time(Just like what Temasek should have done to make them decide to select Nusajaya's Medini instead of other areas like say JB city at Woodlands side).

Even when crimes happened, I did mentioned that I wasn't worried about my investments, just that I might not wanna use one of my units for weekend stay and that's about it. When Nusajaya develops further and further with all the new attractions, schools, mega malls, hospitals, Government bodies, amenities, infrastructure etc springing up but crime in Johor 'remains the same', do you think that it will deter buying interest? The key to note is that 'crime rate remains the same', meaning it's 'nothing new to anyone', whereas the new attractions and others mentioned above are great 'plus points' to Nusajaya. Well if crime rate worsen, it'll definitely affect demand but not if it maintain. Moreover, the chances of having a lower crime rate in future is more possible than having a higher crime rate since the government had invested billions trying to improve security of Iskandar and they will certainly invest more if situation don't improve since they need to lower the crime rate in order to attract investments for the next 15 years. Give them a few years, even if the billions of dollars doesn't work, it still won't hurt(as mentioned above).

Some naysayers might worry too much and think that it'll be very very difficult for the Malaysian Government to attract enough investments into Iskandar and successfully develop it into a sustainable city, creating enough jobs with medium to high income in order to sustain it's economy etc etc. These are definitely genuine concerns but they are talking about achieving Peak success when all the concerns can be tackled. Who says Nusajaya needs to be 100% successful in order for our investments at RM240psf to make profit? What I think is firstly, you have to know what kind of price you're being offered now and whether or not it's already too high. Eg. For Nusajaya, if I was offered RM700psf for a terrace, I won't invest due to limited upside and even potential loss as price might go lower than RM700psf after I buy. But at RM240psf, I think the potential upside is really good, I like investments with at least 100% potential profit. As a Singaporean, I would like to see it as SGD100psf. Some might say "Why not invest in Singapore or KL? It'll give you faster return." Try telling that to Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Temasek or just any rookie investor that you know of an investment which guarantees a 100% winning chance and 0% risk of losing(That might be savings account or fixed deposit's interest, not investments in properties). You can say that there's a smaller risk in investing in Singapore's properties than investing in Johor's and I would agree to that. But based on present Singapore's mass market price of SGD1,000psf, I think it'll take a miracle for me to make 100% profit out of it as it'll have to reach SGD2,000psf for mass market properties(Not high end ones). Lower risk? Yes, but definitely not higher potential return when compared to Nusajaya.

We all know that for a region which is 3 times the size of Singapore, definitely not every single corner will appreciate in price, we have to be really selective on the area and even the development and most of us here have chosen certain developments in Nusajaya since most of the foreign investments, including Temasek's developments, are pouring into Nusajaya. Truthfully, I dare not say that I have the same confidence in the whole of Iskandar region. But from the beginning, I only have eyes for Nusajaya. I'm not saying that all other areas in Iskandar will fail, some other good locations like eg. our friends' Kempas area is good locations too. LeisurFarm? Yes but only if they can get the approval for a new entrance/exit point nearer to Highway or Medini, that'll definitely be Great.

Thus at RM240psf, I reckoned that I'll be making profit even if Nusajaya is just 50% successful.

lastresort
19-07-2011, 02:48 PM
Hey guys,

Fairway Suites South Tower will be launched tomorrow. We're going in now to attend the launch and meet new neighbours tomorrow. There is an average of 3 or more people booking any available unit that will be launched. So it could be sold out within hours, less those lousy units, bumi units or under 500K units. =)

Will update here again. Wish I have a good camera. Didn't have time to read the long messages HH and the rest have written, but have browsed thru a bit, it's really good to hear from lao jias and senior bros all your thoughts!

contra
19-07-2011, 03:09 PM
Grand Iskandar taking shape

Two lead players involved in the planning, implementation and funding of the project are Iskandar Regional Development Authority (IRDA) and the Khazanah Nasional-driven Iskandar Investment Bhd.

Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Ghani Othman, who is also co-chairman of IRDA, has been hands-on since the inception to ensure the smooth implementation of the projects by having briefings at his office in Nusajaya and at IRDA's headquarters in Danga Bay.

Singaporean interest and participation in Iskandar is also expected to be further boosted through the settling of some of the thorny issues in the Points of Agreement between Malaysia and the island republic.

“It is just a matter of time before Singa-porean companies start investing in Iskandar in a huge way due to the warming bilateral relations between both countries,” a diplomat said.

IRDA has kept the public informed of the various projects through its Open Day events, including exhibitions.

It has welcomed public feedback and suggestions, and is also engaging the Facebook generation through its Facebook page, “Friends of Iskandar Malaysia”.

Thanks for this horizonhills. Looks like IRDA has been having events in JB to reach out to investors, via its Facebook page. Next one, see you guys there then. Got to start somewhere...

arsenal
19-07-2011, 03:17 PM
I think the best part is to do business and making good profits in JB while staying in HH. You dont even need to worry about cheonging the jams back and forth the custom. I have known a few neighbours who are doing just that.. working from home even .... cos the bills are so cheap together with the internet... and can save on office rent

It will be perfect if I can start a business and live in Nusajaya too.. I have several sleepless nights thinking of what I can do in my next 20-30.
I was stopped by Malaysia traffic police for stopping in the yellow box just now. 50 dollars to settle.. Anyway still cheaper than Singapore..

Investor
19-07-2011, 06:48 PM
It will be perfect if I can start a business and live in Nusajaya too.. I have several sleepless nights thinking of what I can do in my next 20-30.
I was stopped by Malaysia traffic police for stopping in the yellow box just now. 50 dollars to settle.. Anyway still cheaper than Singapore..

Next time just give RM30 and act confident like you know it's the norm, they'll definitely accept it. But as a forumer mentioned before, he always pay kopi money for such traffic offences and thought that he had gotten away but only to find out in the end that he had a record of a whole list of traffic summons O.O

STUCK_HERE
20-07-2011, 02:12 AM
Actually its hard to compare clusters at Gateway/Golf VS the Hills. For a start, the size is much bigger for new terraces at the Hills and I think the design and layout of the units are totally different too. IF I am not wrong, the developer sale of Cluster intermediate at the Golf was priced at RM 400K or so when they first launched and RM 600k is the market rate without good views.

Dear Bro horizonhills,

Can you please tell me where to look for the sales office or show house at horizon hills? I would like to go there this week or next. I just want to buy a small terrace in a safe place like you described.

I don't want to be stuck_here anymore.

Thanks.

arsenal
20-07-2011, 03:22 AM
Hi,
whether you are driving from causeway 1 or 2nd link, follow the sign to Nusajaya.. Once you are in Nusajaya, I am sure you can find the sign to Horizon Hills.. In Horizon Hills, just head towards the clubhouse (or look for sign for property gallery). Show room is just in the clubhouse, beside the cafe...
rgds



Dear Bro horizonhills,

Can you please tell me where to look for the sales office or show house at horizon hills? I would like to go there this week or next. I just want to buy a small terrace in a safe place like you described.

I don't want to be stuck_here anymore.

Thanks.

arsenal
20-07-2011, 03:24 AM
Next time just give RM30 and act confident like you know it's the norm, they'll definitely accept it. But as a forumer mentioned before, he always pay kopi money for such traffic offences and thought that he had gotten away but only to find out in the end that he had a record of a whole list of traffic summons O.O

True.. will learn to be smarter next time.. Think I'll feel safer driving a Malaysian car..

checkers
20-07-2011, 03:31 AM
Forgot a message. If anyone is interested in a corner unit at Setia tropika, can let me know and i will ask owner to contact you. nicely done up already. selling at around 500 plus plus . pls contact owner direct. you can pm me for the number.

Sorry ..first time joining the forum. How to pm ? Can you pm me instead? Thanks>

jasonjst
20-07-2011, 03:38 AM
Hi,
whether you are driving from causeway 1 or 2nd link, follow the sign to Nusajaya.. Once you are in Nusajaya, I am sure you can find the sign to Horizon Hills.. In Horizon Hills, just head towards the clubhouse (or look for sign for property gallery). Show room is just in the clubhouse, beside the cafe...
rgds

If you use 2nd link , exit at 307C and then exit 308 , you should see Jusco and a big size board Horizon Hill , cant go lost at this point ..

STUCK_HERE
20-07-2011, 03:38 AM
Hi,
whether you are driving from causeway 1 or 2nd link, follow the sign to Nusajaya.. Once you are in Nusajaya, I am sure you can find the sign to Horizon Hills.. In Horizon Hills, just head towards the clubhouse (or look for sign for property gallery). Show room is just in the clubhouse, beside the cafe...
rgds

Thanks bro arsenal, I will go on this Monday.

STUCK_HERE
20-07-2011, 03:41 AM
If you use 2nd link , exit at 307C and then exit 308 , you should see Jusco and a big size board Horizon Hill , cant go lost at this point ..

Thanks bro, sure can find now!

east539
20-07-2011, 04:59 AM
Thanks bro, sure can find now!

another way is to call the sales office directly, request for sales personnel & ask abt what units are available currently in "The Hills" & how many units are left.

jasonjst
20-07-2011, 05:05 AM
It will be perfect if I can start a business and live in Nusajaya too.. I have several sleepless nights thinking of what I can do in my next 20-30.
I was stopped by Malaysia traffic police for stopping in the yellow box just now. 50 dollars to settle.. Anyway still cheaper than Singapore..

Can foreigner register a company without a Malaysian partner ?

hangyong
20-07-2011, 05:22 AM
still looking for a good dim sum / yum cha place. Is the new one in hh good?


yes! Die die must try

Skippy
20-07-2011, 06:40 AM
Hey Skippy, you will soon enjoy it. Walking around even in the middle of the night, a local friend came, saw and then told me he got his brothers buy in and recently
got one. He will be doing his renovation soon. The serenity and the lifestyle, its really different.

I know some will come by and say its no big deal as each house is only a HDB flat. A learned neighbour asked me this, how many in SG own or can afford more than 1 HDB flat though especially with current pricing?

Wow Bro Wuqi & HH..
U guys are indeed fortunate... i just hope that the developer could hand over the keys soon... just like your friend... i cant wait for the reno to begin... in fact some of my friends are eager to view my place. But of it all... what u guys share here.. i always update my Dad and keep in posted.. he too feels eager to move.. One hand cant wait for the move, the other praying that our house would have the least defacts so we can plan our shift more promptly.

Like this i dun mind have BBQ, chit chat makan sessions with HH folks. Share the joy & peaceful new living.

Abt the property prices... it's indeed been a great increase.. how i wish i have bought another terrace unit so now can sell at a good profit. sob sob...

Abt business... i also tot of getting into one but need capital and networking.. i tot of some ideas and consult Drs for some opinions but they were not positive and i got turn down.. quite sad... got good lobang can count me in anot?? i also feel that to start business on a foreign land is aint an easy task... i'm willing to learn if got mentor willing to teach.. wo ke yi chu li... wo ken xue.

My personal tot is that i'm thankful if given such a chance. In fact i'm thankful i've given the chance to know bros & sisters here, sharing all these information.

Ve a great week.. Cheers...

Jogs1
20-07-2011, 07:44 AM
Another British varsity in Iskandar
By Sharen Kaur
Published: 2011/07/20


It is learnt that Education@Iskandar Sdn Bhd, a unit of Iskandar Investment Bhd, is expected to sign a partnership agreement with Reading Business School soon.


Kuala Lumpur: Britain's University of Reading Business School is setting up a branch campus in EduCity in Iskandar Malaysia, Johor, for between RM150 million and RM200 million, sources familiar with the plan say.

This would make it the third education group from the UK to set up branches in Iskandar Malaysia, highlighting their confidence in growth in Asian markets.

To be known as University of Reading Iskandar, construction is due to start next year, said a source.

It is learnt that Education@Iskandar Sdn Bhd, a unit of Iskandar Investment Bhd (IIB), is expected to sign a partnership agreement with Reading Business School soon.

EduCity is the education hub of Iskandar Malaysia, comprising world-class multi-university campuses, international schools and colleges, as well as recreational facilities and accommodation for over 20,000 students.

Demand from foreign universities has been so strong that the allocated land for EduCity is fully occupied. But IIB has said it would provide more land for EduCity.

The others that have committed are Marlborough College, one of the UK's leading independent co-educational boarding schools, and Newcastle University Medical Malaysia (NUMed), which is being built for RM90 million and due for opening this year.

IIB did not respond to questions sent by Business Times.

Set up in 2001 and located in England, Reading Business School is the centre of the world's business research and teaching.

The global institution had said in April it is investigating the prospects to set up a branch campus in Malaysia.

This was after a discussion with Datuk Zakaria Sulong, the High Commissioner of Malaysia to the UK, and leading regional business representatives on the investment potential in Malaysia.

Talks were centred on investments in Malaysia and how students and graduates of Reading Business School will have good chance for work placements.

Besides Marlborough College and NUMed, the hub consists of the Netherlands' Dutch Maritime University, the RM300 million Management Development Institute of Singapore, and the S$82 million (RM203 million) Raffles University Iskandar by Singapore's Raffles Education Group.

Newbe
20-07-2011, 08:07 AM
I would humbly recommend to rent out your SG one, that way, with the high exchange rate now, you benefit more if you are living on the other side of the causeway. :)

I am glad that this forum is so lively and mostly full of folks like you and skippy, RT and the regulars who are positive. Unlike most i meet whenever i am back in SG prefer to always dwell on the problem, think negative about everything and yet do nothing about it. Worse is imaginary fear.

One minute, its the coming of the disease plague, next the locusts. Me? I will make fried locust sandwich. Not exactly appetizing but it will do. :P

Hi Wuqi

I been reading this forum for the past few weeks the info and topics discussed here are very useful and interesting. I have invested in a house in JB and need advice on renovation. The JB contractors like to recommend local brands i.e. like York air-con, Jovan water heater, Phi cooker hoot, hub and oven & etc. Are these local brand reliable? & is reno cost is higher than S'pore?

lastresort
20-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Another British varsity in Iskandar
By Sharen Kaur
Published: 2011/07/20


It is learnt that Education@Iskandar Sdn Bhd, a unit of Iskandar Investment Bhd, is expected to sign a partnership agreement with Reading Business School soon.


Kuala Lumpur: Britain's University of Reading Business School is setting up a branch campus in EduCity in Iskandar Malaysia, Johor, for between RM150 million and RM200 million, sources familiar with the plan say.

^^ whoah, educity is becoming really successful. Too bad I am not born a few years later, if not I would definitely consider the universities there. I really hope this Reading Business School will be confirmed and finalised. :D

I will be entering a local uni next month and this means I may not have time to visit HH homes regularly :mad:. I'm turning 23 tomorrow, and I feel quite old for school.

I've been spending my time learning about property investment from Bros, Sis, uncles and aunties everywhere I go in JB. One thing, I've been very impressed with many Malaysians is that they come out to work at a very early age, working really hard and able to afford homes at a young age. Like one guy who was jogging in Gateway and came to our doorstep to chat with us. He told us he is only around 30 and has bought 10 properties! and the properties he bought are all above 500K, one of which is the famous parkview apartment in KLCC.

Seriously, now starting school again, I feel I have lost touch with people (Singaporeans) my age. I do not know how to communicate well with them because i have been spending time with people more than twice my age. I do not know who are the latest TV stars, movie stars, girl groups, singers and all. I do not club or drink, play computer games or watch tv dramas. I'm using an old 3-5 year old phone, I have no MP3, and do not shop for clothes. New friends might see me as an old outdated thrifty guy who likes to talk about stocks and shares.

Next week I will be going KL on my own to meet 2 KL friends, one who is just a year older than me and has his own property. I will be visiting new launches, checking out properties with him and exploring the place on my own. I'm also very interested to check out properties built/owned by Singapore developers, they are very accommodating and have invited me to stay with them, and drive me around.

My second bro is also in the midst of signing his first home in HH, after getting his first private home in SG last year, these people including bros wuqi, HH, and sisters are all my role models. :D :D

lastresort
20-07-2011, 03:01 PM
I can't believe I met the guy who owns Pariss hotel chain at HH sales office today, I didn't get the chance to talk to him because only after he has left, then I know he is such a big customer. I was thinking if he could afford to build so many hotels (another one coming up next to Bukit Indah Mac), why would he not build his own home, then probably he is just looking for a home with golf view. I just cannot contain my excitement seeing so many well to do people investing/living in the same neighbourhood. :D

arsenal
20-07-2011, 03:04 PM
Wah younger brother, you own property at such a young age.. I da pu lek ta han neh...


^^ whoah, educity is becoming really successful. Too bad I am not born a few years later, if not I would definitely consider the universities there. I really hope this Reading Business School will be confirmed and finalised. :D

I will be entering a local uni next month and this means I may not have time to visit HH homes regularly :mad:. I'm turning 23 tomorrow, and I feel quite old for school.

I've been spending my time learning about property investment from Bros, Sis, uncles and aunties everywhere I go in JB. One thing, I've been very impressed with many Malaysians is that they come out to work at a very early age, working really hard and able to afford homes at a young age. Like one guy who was jogging in Gateway and came to our doorstep to chat with us. He told us he is only around 30 and has bought 10 properties! and the properties he bought are all above 500K, one of which is the famous parkview apartment in KLCC.

Seriously, now starting school again, I feel I have lost touch with people (Singaporeans) my age. I do not know how to communicate well with them because i have been spending time with people more than twice my age. I do not know who are the latest TV stars, movie stars, girl groups, singers and all. I do not club or drink, play computer games or watch tv dramas. I'm using an old 3-5 year old phone, I have no MP3, and do not shop for clothes. New friends might see me as an old outdated thrifty guy who likes to talk about stocks and shares.

Next week I will be going KL on my own to meet 2 KL friends, one who is just a year older than me and has his own property. I will be visiting new launches, checking out properties with him and exploring the place on my own. I'm also very interested to check out properties built/owned by Singapore developers, they are very accommodating and have invited me to stay with them, and drive me around.

My second bro is also in the midst of signing his first home in HH, after getting his first private home in SG last year, these people including bros wuqi, HH, and sisters are all my role models. :D :D