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Shariah Law in Malaysia soon?
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Just surfed and found out that Brunei just implemented the law!!
Apparently it was passed in Kelantan since 1993 but not enforced and they need BN to amend something before they can pass it...sounds like a political thing...
But it will be bad for their economy and our properties if implemented...really hope it does not. May be good to deter crimes but what if one is set up? Imagine having your hands amputated for theft when someone slips something into your bag...
Now having second thoughts about paying my 90% and retiring there!
[about brunei]:surprised you didn't hear about it, was on a number of international news channels.
johor is quite a muslim state. look at the weekend change recently.
need not worry so much about stoning and amputation.
all women must wear tudung and cannot wear shorts in public will be worse from a daily living perspective. maybe our muslim bro/sis here can shed more light on the syariah laws.
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Even non muslim must wear tudung? Must we also fast? What if I get framed for theft? Will my hands be amputated? Do not subscribe to cable TV and newspapers so late to know...how will it affect property value ? R they really serious about it?
FYI, good to read up more. Maybe the tudung eventually but not the rest. Amputation is only practised in certain countries. Many countries like the UK and US already have large communities and some mention of implementing Sharia laws there has been hotly debated before.
Top five sharia myths
That amputation is a typical punishment for theft in Muslim countries
Of the world’s 50 or so Muslim-majority states, only about half a dozen allow for amputations and at least one of those countries – Pakistan – has never carried out the penalty in practice
That veiling is mandatory under sharia law
Women are simply advised by the Qur’an to wear modest clothing and – like men – to lower their eyes and maintain their chastity
That suicide bombing is permissable under sharia law
Most interpreters of the Qur’an understand it to forbid suicide. The first suicide bombing by Muslims was carried out in 1983 during the Lebanese civil war
Stoning is mentioned in the Qur’an
Stoning is not mentioned as a punishment in the Qur’an. It was institutionalised on the basis of hadiths (reports about Muhammad) which were themselves not written down until more than a century after his death
Capital punishment for apostasy is mentioned by the Qur’an
The Qur’an repeatedly warns believers who abandon their faith that they will have to account to God in the afterlife, but it does not provide for their punishment on earth. Again, it was hadiths that later served to justify the death penalty.
Top five sharia myths
That amputation is a typical punishment for theft in Muslim countries
Of the world’s 50 or so Muslim-majority states, only about half a dozen allow for amputations and at least one of those countries – Pakistan – has never carried out the penalty in practice
That veiling is mandatory under sharia law
Women are simply advised by the Qur’an to wear modest clothing and – like men – to lower their eyes and maintain their chastity
That suicide bombing is permissable under sharia law
Most interpreters of the Qur’an understand it to forbid suicide. The first suicide bombing by Muslims was carried out in 1983 during the Lebanese civil war
Stoning is mentioned in the Qur’an
Stoning is not mentioned as a punishment in the Qur’an. It was institutionalised on the basis of hadiths (reports about Muhammad) which were themselves not written down until more than a century after his death
Capital punishment for apostasy is mentioned by the Qur’an
The Qur’an repeatedly warns believers who abandon their faith that they will have to account to God in the afterlife, but it does not provide for their punishment on earth. Again, it was hadiths that later served to justify the death penalty.
It depends on the authority interpreting them, it doesn't matter whether they are myths.
it is called hudud (edited: covers punishments). sharia also covers public law, so in this case, it applies to non muslims as well. it really depend on how govt implements it, how it is ratified in parliament and so on.
similarly to other public laws, the tudung/no shorts rule may apply as it's considered decency under islamic laws. (analogous to singapore, ie you don't see people walking around naked cos it's considered indecent).
fasting is a religious undertaking - so non muslims will not need to fast during ramadhan. similarly, christians may also fast during easter weekend as one is still free to follow his/her own religion.
why do you constrantly worry about being framed? you have a lot of enemies like michael corleone in the godfather?
property value is determined by demand and population and also economy. there may be knee jerk reaction to it (if implemented) .
R they serious? well, some of them are, like the PAS clerics in kelantan. i have old friends who've moved to kelantan. they can still eat pork. in my opinion, it won't be implemented any time soon. but beyond 5 years, things are a lot less predictable.
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No more porky...:p
haha... i think can still sell pork and consume pork in public. depend how strict they want to implement. 4D etc , ktv pub, also affected.
No more alcohols at PH...:p
for guys, not so much affected,you know. but iwou'l;d be pissed if i can't eat pork in the kopitiam. or go drinking.
Would it not drive away foreign investments? Property resale demand may drop so must really be prepared to retire there...
Concerned about religious freedom...
If you've been following the news recently, it was the issue of hudud, ie. the implementation of Islamic criminal law, that was being PROPOSED to be implemented in KELANTAN state. Hudud, IF implemented in Kelantan would apply to Muslims only, and only in that state. Non-Muslims will continue to be subject to the civil criminal justice system.
Politically, Kelantan is ruled by PAS. PAS is a member of the PR coalition, which includes the DAP (which is predominantly but not exclusively Chinese) and PKR (officially a multi-racial party). DAP is staunchly anti-hudud. They have come out very strongly beating their war drums against its implementation.
On the other side of the political divide, MCA, Gerakan and MIC (component parties in BN) have also come out very strongly against hudud.
Legally, PAS faces a huge hurdle: the federal Constitution which is the supreme law of the land, does not allow for hudud. If PAS is to succeed, it will need to first amend the Constitution. This requires two-thirds majority in the federal parliament. Neither BN nor PR currently enjoys a 2/3 majority in parliament, so that speaks for itself.
Following all the uproar by DAP, MCA amd other non-Muslim groups these recent weeks, PAS has decided not to push through with its proposed bill for the time being.
Anyone who has been following this issue will know that there are far too many obstacles in the way for the implementation of hudud, simply because the country is too ethnically and religiously diverse to allow this to happen. We can expect PAS to raise this issue from time to time because that remains on their agenda, politically that is. It is to play to their gallery and they have to be seen to be pushing this issue to retain support. No one seriously expects them to succeed. Don't forget that even among Muslims, not many favour hudud's implememtation.
Politically, Kelantan is ruled by PAS. PAS is a member of the PR coalition, which includes the DAP (which is predominantly but not exclusively Chinese) and PKR (officially a multi-racial party). DAP is staunchly anti-hudud. They have come out very strongly beating their war drums against its implementation.
On the other side of the political divide, MCA, Gerakan and MIC (component parties in BN) have also come out very strongly against hudud.
Legally, PAS faces a huge hurdle: the federal Constitution which is the supreme law of the land, does not allow for hudud. If PAS is to succeed, it will need to first amend the Constitution. This requires two-thirds majority in the federal parliament. Neither BN nor PR currently enjoys a 2/3 majority in parliament, so that speaks for itself.
Following all the uproar by DAP, MCA amd other non-Muslim groups these recent weeks, PAS has decided not to push through with its proposed bill for the time being.
Anyone who has been following this issue will know that there are far too many obstacles in the way for the implementation of hudud, simply because the country is too ethnically and religiously diverse to allow this to happen. We can expect PAS to raise this issue from time to time because that remains on their agenda, politically that is. It is to play to their gallery and they have to be seen to be pushing this issue to retain support. No one seriously expects them to succeed. Don't forget that even among Muslims, not many favour hudud's implememtation.
Thanks very much for yr detailed explanation....so I can still preach Gospel if I stay in Malaysia and Muslim converts will not be punished! Praise God! Jesus Lives!
don't preach to muslims. period.
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