Living in JB 2 (Johore)

[whoami]

Will up yours too.

Like Goldberg famous line...." U are next! " :)



They must have had the best guys but then nothing can save the empire when the mandate of heaven is gone.

Chu Tia leow ya...

Braddar...ur PM always full. Macam mana mau balas (reply)? :)

[whoami]

haha bro. for HDB, we still have the ocassional block parties la..but i think many residents turn up more for the lucky draw then anything else. Last year my block had a rice dumpling festival gathering. In order to cater to other races, they made the rice dumpling halal by using chicken. In the end, the taste was terrible and I told myself that would be the last rice dumpling gathering i would ever go. No offence to other races but tho its good to understand the culture of other races but i think sometimes the RC organisers tend to overdo it.

cheers.

They should approach the right person to make the dumpling. I had tasted them leow. Done by a Chinese Muslim. Even the Moon cake taste nice. Nothing is impossible. Juz go the extra mile.

Actually I was talking abt cooperation, working as a "team" afterall the precinct belong to you guys. Safety is utmost important. Take turn to do nite sentry lah. Prepare a roaster. During my kampong days, the village head had a big "gong". Chinese resident donated it to us. When teres intruder (during the racial riots), wahlou, the sound unbearable but necessary to scare the intruders. Furthermore having such measures, our friendship grew even deeper. Trust is there. Very important. Cos the whole precinct is our neighbours.:)

[arsenal]

For people living in condo or HDB, in one way or another, one might find a toilet above his door, living room, kitchen or bed room.. How to avoid such bad feng shui?



thanks bro wuqi, doa & sis crystal for your concern, and the help you have given so far.
unfortunately, it didn't quite work out.. the unit we wanted has a master toilet right above the main door.
we couldn't bring ourselves to compromise this.. cos imo, this will come and haunt us in the future.

so... the hunt is still on ;)

yes.. i was sort of mia for some time.. tied up with work cos a few of my colleagues has gone on vacation during this lull period.
i'll still be lurking around here for info :cool:

[Narmi]

For people living in condo or HDB, in one way or another, one might find a toilet above his door, living room, kitchen or bed room.. How to avoid such bad feng shui?

Haha Bro Gunner
Stay top floor lah or penthouse.

[DREAMorACTION]

haha bro gunners! I don't think anyone can ever win an argument with ya ;) hehe


For people living in condo or HDB, in one way or another, one might find a toilet above his door, living room, kitchen or bed room.. How to avoid such bad feng shui?

[DREAMorACTION]

That's exactly what I did too ... I wanted to view about 5 ... but after viewing the 2nd one, i had no mood to deal with him anymore so I pat my butt, thanked him and left ... He did not even follow up with any calls whatsoever ... sign of arrogance?

Whatever we say, these guys still earn enough to drive big new cars, wear oakley sunglasses etc ... so i guess if one is desperate enough, he/she will comply to what they demand for ...


Happened to us when looking for resale too. Not Kelvin but from same agency. Once we expressed interest and want to start nego price, he make a call (said to be owner). Came back to us and say another agent has expressed told owner can sell higher and has upped the price by 50k. He behaved as if frustrated.

We just shrugged our shoulders, thank him for showing the place and left.

[DREAMorACTION]

That's exactly what I did too ... I wanted to view about 5 ... but after viewing the 2nd one, i had no mood to deal with him anymore so I pat my butt, thanked him and left ... He did not even follow up with any calls whatsoever ... sign of arrogance?

Whatever we say, these guys still earn enough to drive big new cars, wear oakley sunglasses etc ... so i guess if one is desperate enough, he/she will still comply to what they demand for ...


Happened to us when looking for resale too. Not Kelvin but from same agency. Once we expressed interest and want to start nego price, he make a call (said to be owner). Came back to us and say another agent has expressed told owner can sell higher and has upped the price by 50k. He behaved as if frustrated.

We just shrugged our shoulders, thank him for showing the place and left.

[arsenal]

I think Singapore fengshui has degraded. With toilets on most of our heads, we also have to drink our own "new" water..

Worse... Dead bodies in water tanks, dead bodies in bedok reservoir... For better fengshui, we got to live in JB.


haha bro gunners! I don't think anyone can ever win an argument with ya ;) hehe


Haha Bro Gunner
Stay top floor lah or penthouse.

[DREAMorACTION]

Have you all seen those 3 in 1 stainless steel metal door that comes with grille and frames? The lock system within their products was very impressive, there were more than six lock points. In addition, there is anti-theft function. During your reno period, you can pass a set of keys to the contractors. After they have left, you can use another master key to "wash" and reconfigure the internal lock system, and u use another set of keys that the package comes with. So there would be no worries that your contractor duplicating your keys.

www.newedge.com.my (http://www.newedge.com.my)

And have you come across this product that is wire-mesh that serves to replace the ugly grille? Apparently, it's much tougher and harder to be broken into than the grilles. It can keep the mozzie and insects out too.

http://www.majestec.com/product/pro_cat.php?cid=2&cid_pr=2&cname=Security Doors

I had a chance to look at these 2 products recently at the home fair and I thought both product concepts were brilliant .... well, im saying good probably because I haven't seen enough on the variety of the products out there in the market, but nonetheless, I was still very impressed.

have you seen these products? What do you all think? pros and cons? these products dont come cheap for sure...


My parents in law place was also a victim of attempted breakin. Luckily there was an old alarm system that went off at 5am. That scared the thief off. When they woke up and investigated, the padlock was cut off, the aluminium sliding door was pried open hence setting off the alarm. There was a light above the main door that was on all night. Obviously the thief was quite daring in that he was cutting and prying in open view with the light on.

Now, they have installed extra motion sensor spot lights in front and put an extra lock on the metal gate.

Really, its just making it as 'inconvenient' as possible with alarm, spot lights, locks, etc so that they just target something easier. Hopefully it will deter would be robbers.

[DREAMorACTION]

so bro gunner, r u saying that the new water goes against the principle of karma ... like u give out "old rotten" stuffs (really bad and stinky) and yet in return u get back something "new, good, fresh and tasty"? lol


I think Singapore fengshui has degraded. With toilets on most of our heads, we also have to drink our own "new" water..

Worse... Dead bodies in water tanks, dead bodies in bedok reservoir... For better fengshui, we got to live in JB.

[wuqi256]

Good suggestion. One should take one's capability to defend one's family security and safety very seriously especially when the threats are very real. Another simple weapon (my favorite when young) to have is some powerful catapults.

Yes, archery can be picked up easily and some bows can be setup with lockadraw devices to be on standby for ready use or compound bows that can basically be drawn and held for extended periods of time if required but thats for extreme cases. Bestmart and some hardware shops has nice arsenal of various sizes of axes, heavy hammers as well as bladed weapons. Some places sells chainsaws too.....

Lots of good places to start looking.

Catapults are good but to me not as deterring to a would be attacker as a fully drawn bow with a keen and nasty broadhead ready and waiting..
For 7.50 RM, one can get one pretty nice looking catapult at this fishing shop in the same row as the exotic pets shop near HH.

[wuqi256]

Have you all seen those 3 in 1 stainless steel metal door that comes with grille and frames? The lock system within their products was very impressive, there were more than six lock points. In addition, there is anti-theft function. During your reno period, you can pass a set of keys to the contractors. After they have left, you can use another master key to "wash" and reconfigure the internal lock system, and u use another set of keys that the package comes with. So there would be no worries that your contractor duplicating your keys.

www.newedge.com.my (http://www.newedge.com.my)

And have you come across this product that is wire-mesh that serves to replace the ugly grille? Apparently, it's much tougher and harder to be broken into than the grilles. It can keep the mozzie and insects out too.

http://www.majestec.com/product/pro_cat.php?cid=2&cid_pr=2&cname=Security Doors

I had a chance to look at these 2 products recently at the home fair and I thought both product concepts were brilliant .... well, im saying good probably because I haven't seen enough on the variety of the products out there in the market, but nonetheless, I was still very impressed.

have you seen these products? What do you all think? pros and cons? these products dont come cheap for sure...


Not seen the lock device. I would get those cheap Daiso magnetic alarms (5 RM each) and stick to areas of my house if i don't want an expensive system and yet stay reasonably effective for a long period of time. You can use it to stick to the roof access part as well, put at least 2, one on each corner so even if a smart/quick/alert thief opens up, it will disturb at least one enough to ring. Also, buy those 8.50 to 14 RM types of locks that you can wrap around the sliding part (for those with grilles that slides opens) and locks with a padlock.

I have actually seen a majestec one which basically allows fresh air to come in using Japanese technology while keeping insects out. Not bad as it resists cutting and smashing reasonably well. Only concern is if you need aircon on some really hot days, or if you have solar film already, unless you do this on the inside, as in install the screen inside then may make more sense.

[wuqi256]

My apologies, PM was full. Just cleared yesterday and again now.

[wuqi256]

That's exactly what I did too ... I wanted to view about 5 ... but after viewing the 2nd one, i had no mood to deal with him anymore so I pat my butt, thanked him and left ... He did not even follow up with any calls whatsoever ... sign of arrogance?

Whatever we say, these guys still earn enough to drive big new cars, wear oakley sunglasses etc ... so i guess if one is desperate enough, he/she will still comply to what they demand for ...

Quite a few are like that, somehow humility is seen as being low value to people and arrogance is highly appreciated these days. I would just turn and walk away in this case though.

[mathstub]

Bro, I also did a search and got the same website you put up there.

Thank you very much for posting the website anyway.

But still psychologically I did not feel good the first moment I thought my bathroom was actually immediately above the front door because I should have thought through this when buying the house.

It will take a bit time to adjust back to normal state psychologically.


yes brothers.. i know. the feng shui is not the one and only thing that will determine my destiny and fate.
well.. let's put it this way... if it is within our means to control, why not? we can't really control our destiny and luck (though to a certain extent, we can still do it.. like mixing with the right people, having positive mindset etc). but for fengshui, doing good deeds and education, we can actually do it.
but i don't do good deeds just to get good karma though.. just feel like doing it to help people ;)
just to share.. heard from radio 95.8 that blood banks in sg are in critical level.. can only last a few days.. if u are free, pls make a trip down.
i have done it 3 days back.. after stopping like 15 years ago (felt like a virgin when they drew blood the first time :D)



relocating the bathroom will involve a lot of redesign and architectural work.. not advised.. probably relocate the main door. but i am not sure the management will allow that?

as bros wuqi and yonglip said, it is not the end of the world.. it is just my wife and i couldn't get thru the psychological barrier.
there are many units (we saw at subsale gateway and the brochure at the greens) built this way, it doesn't mean everyone will kenna bad right?

anyway, just google 'house fengshui' for info.. there are tons on the internet.
one example i picked up http://fengshui.about.com/od/realestatefengshui/bb/feng-shui-buy-new-home.htm
then validate some of it with further google, example, 'bathroom over main door'.
many more results will appear... and the supposed remedies.
compare them and make an informed decision ;)

[mathstub]

Bro, so far not even one incident of robbery, break-in or whatever bad incident happening in HH, right?

I wonder how safe East Ledang and its neighborhood are. Any Bros and Sis hear about bad incident happening in East Ledang and its neighborhood so far?


All these talks by the salesmen of nusa idaman are cheap. They claimed that workers left door open but itmis damn clear that the recent robbery is a break in and at 5am in the morning, the owner was jerked awake and his the spouse beaten by and tied.

Now if these sort of incidents happen in my own house, i will surely move out the next day. How can u sleep peacefully in the same bed again??

Security has to be beef up at nusa idaman. Hh security is still top notch at the moment. But i cant say no robberies will happen. If it happen, the guards are goingmto get it from the residents. So far my tenants can sleep peacefully at night. A few told me they dont even lock their metal doors and i always reminded them to play very safe.

[mathstub]

Thank you very much, Bro for the kind words. I know in the end, feng shui is one of the things and there is no such thing as being perfect.
Just because this is my first house, something beyond expection may create some degree of disappointment. I think we will recover from this short moment of disappointment very soon since it is not that big of a deal afterall with so many people having houses similar to this.


Not really, actually a lot of houses in even other developments are somehow built that way. Not possible unless you do some A&A as in internal renovation to change this. Internal is always easier to change than external factors. Of course, we can do everything possible to change the surroundings to serve us.

Just remember though, even the best feng shui guys could not do anything for the succeeding dynasties from Qin to Qing when its their time to fall.
Everything has a time and place, feng shui is a good guide to alleviate and to maximise but thats all it should be, as a guide.

They must have had the best guys but then nothing can save the empire when the mandate of heaven is gone.

[mathstub]

Haha, Bro, when I discussed with my wife about this a few hours ago, we were also thinking about similar things like you said below.


For people living in condo or HDB, in one way or another, one might find a toilet above his door, living room, kitchen or bed room.. How to avoid such bad feng shui?

[mathstub]

Staying top floor or penthouse can also be above other people's bedroom or toilets below his door etc. Being above the toilet is not necessarily a lot better than being below the toilet. :)


Haha Bro Gunner
Stay top floor lah or penthouse.

[mathstub]

I have heard that boy's urine can be used to fight away the bad things, maybe can collect some and spray at the vulnerable places?

Now I know why my son is meant to be my son.


I think Singapore fengshui has degraded. With toilets on most of our heads, we also have to drink our own "new" water..

Worse... Dead bodies in water tanks, dead bodies in bedok reservoir... For better fengshui, we got to live in JB.

[Avonup]

Have you all seen those 3 in 1 stainless steel metal door that comes with grille and frames? The lock system within their products was very impressive, there were more than six lock points. In addition, there is anti-theft function. During your reno period, you can pass a set of keys to the contractors. After they have left, you can use another master key to "wash" and reconfigure the internal lock system, and u use another set of keys that the package comes with. So there would be no worries that your contractor duplicating your keys.

www.newedge.com.my (http://www.newedge.com.my)

And have you come across this product that is wire-mesh that serves to replace the ugly grille? Apparently, it's much tougher and harder to be broken into than the grilles. It can keep the mozzie and insects out too.

http://www.majestec.com/product/pro_cat.php?cid=2&cid_pr=2&cname=Security Doors

I had a chance to look at these 2 products recently at the home fair and I thought both product concepts were brilliant .... well, im saying good probably because I haven't seen enough on the variety of the products out there in the market, but nonetheless, I was still very impressed.

have you seen these products? What do you all think? pros and cons? these products dont come cheap for sure...

Hi, I've seen the 3 in 1 type, very practical and heavy duty but a bit not refine.

[greddy88]

For people living in condo or HDB, in one way or another, one might find a toilet above his door, living room, kitchen or bed room.. How to avoid such bad feng shui?

so far those i encountered are having the same design throughout the floors.. ie. main door at level 1 is located at the same place at level 2, and so on. i've not seen something like main door at level 1 but a toilet at level 2 in the same location.

there are a lot of stuff in fengshui.. this toilet thingy is just one of it.
as someone said earlier, his friend took years to find the 'perfect' one.. imo, this is just a reference, don't be too concerned and ruin everything. fengshui is also about mindset and balancing.

when i bought my hdb over 10yrs ago, i also never consider any fengshui.. later after i read up, i foudn my balcony and bedroom windows get affected by multiple 'bad sharp arrows' pointing towards me. and i didn't do any remedy.. sorta bochap.
yet, i'm doing well these years, am paid much better than my peers, have a wife (who don't need to work) and have 2 adorable and intelligent kids :D

so..if one has bought already, then just enjoy the staying in your house, focus on making it a better place to live in.
remember.. u are already a step ahead and better than the rest of us still stuck in a 99yr pigeon hole.

alamak..now i am a little regret about bringing up fengshui in the topic.. folks, it doesn't mean everything ok?? :cool:

[greddy88]

Bro, I also did a search and got the same website you put up there.

Thank you very much for posting the website anyway.

But still psychologically I did not feel good the first moment I thought my bathroom was actually immediately above the front door because I should have thought through this when buying the house.

It will take a bit time to adjust back to normal state psychologically.

sorry i didn't tell the complete story when i said i didn't choose the unit..
toilet was just one of it, and was not the main concern.
the other aspect is the asking price. i asked around. the valuation is usually around/up to 600k. at nearly 700k, the cov is ridiculous.
probably like bro doa said, the agent played the market to push up the price.
i also wanted to minimize the loan.. imagine the interest (it is compounded right?) of a 400k loan after 20yrs... plus the principle of 700k, it will be around a million or more. i've not even considered a rise in the interest rate (unlikely it will stay constant throughout)
so if i need to sell it in future, would anyone in the right mind to buy a jb terrace for over a mil?

coupled with some of these issues, we've decided to take our time and look for others.

so bro.. don't get too concerned.. u got your freehold landed house. many in sg can only drool and sour grape!

[wuqi256]

I have heard that boy's urine can be used to fight away the bad things, maybe can collect some and spray at the vulnerable places?

Now I know why my son is meant to be my son.

Kids are good as "dirty stuff" detectors. Yes their urine and the blood from the middle finger of ones right hand in emergencies. Black dogs blood, sea salt with glutinous rice (uncooked) and even green beans with sea salt are very useful. Don't do this unless you know what you are in for though.

Normal mopping of the floor daily or weekly with sea salt is good enough. Place small saucer of sea salt in the windows of the loo and change when it gets wet.

[wuqi256]

sorry i didn't tell the complete story when i said i didn't choose the unit..
toilet was just one of it, and was not the main concern.
the other aspect is the asking price. i asked around. the valuation is usually around/up to 600k. at nearly 700k, the cov is ridiculous.
probably like bro doa said, the agent played the market to push up the price.
i also wanted to minimize the loan.. imagine the interest (it is compounded right?) of a 400k loan after 20yrs... plus the principle of 700k, it will be around a million or more. i've not even considered a rise in the interest rate (unlikely it will stay constant throughout)
so if i need to sell it in future, would anyone in the right mind to buy a jb terrace for over a mil?

coupled with some of these issues, we've decided to take our time and look for others.

so bro.. don't get too concerned.. u got your freehold landed house. many in sg can only drool and sour grape!

I think Feng Shui is just one aspect, you would also need to stay in the house, if you find that it brings you luck, then you should continue staying here. Even if you were to "upgrade" in future, do not sell that house but just keep it as it stores fortune for you.
Actually EL already have terraces above 1m a while back. Recently one was quoted to my friend at 1.25m

[wuqi256]

Thank you very much, Bro for the kind words. I know in the end, feng shui is one of the things and there is no such thing as being perfect.
Just because this is my first house, something beyond expection may create some degree of disappointment. I think we will recover from this short moment of disappointment very soon since it is not that big of a deal afterall with so many people having houses similar to this.

Take your time, yes even my units have this type of design, if it was really that bad, people would be dropping dead like flies or everyone busily downgrading. :)

[wuqi256]

Bro, so far not even one incident of robbery, break-in or whatever bad incident happening in HH, right?

I wonder how safe East Ledang and its neighborhood are. Any Bros and Sis hear about bad incident happening in East Ledang and its neighborhood so far?

Crime is everywhere, no one can guarantee any place is 100% safe. Just need to make sure that there is proper follow up and handling of crime. The developer must also be responsible and do the follow up accordingly. As long as guards do their jobs and proper steps taken to harden the place + residents always help each other, it will be very difficult for things to happen again.

Residents should band together and have regular archery practice or get togethers regularly. Its better to do things proactively rather than reactively but then again, a lot of people think they are dirt rich so when you smile or wave at them, they think you are trying to suck up to them. It gets challenging at times but then again thats life. :)

[Arowana88]

Kids are good as "dirty stuff" detectors. Yes their urine and the blood from the middle finger of ones right hand in emergencies. Black dogs blood, sea salt with glutinous rice (uncooked) and even green beans with sea salt are very useful. Don't do this unless you know what you are in for though.

Normal mopping of the floor daily or weekly with sea salt is good enough. Place small saucer of sea salt in the windows of the loo and change when it gets wet.

I move into my 5 room few years ago and as my place has wind 24/7 so it's feng.... So I need to set up something with water to make it shui... So that is when I started having arowana... I used to have 3 tanks in the living room, 1 tank in my master room, 2 tier tanks in another, according to Chinese beliefs red arowana drives away bad stuff and to promote good health and golden arowana is for luck and fortune... Last time my wife and I always kana 4D... And it's good to have aro at home so at night u won't feel scare of darkness as the aquarium lights is on 24/7 also... The aro will see things we can't see, and it's like a dragon swimming in the tank and there is life in the living room every night. Some pppl on red lights for their red aro, to drive away bad stuff....

If no aro at home, the house seem very empty and scary. Dun believe me then go buy 1 and try.... It brings luck and good health and drive away fear!!! It's a feng shui fish also!!

[Arowana88]

Crime is everywhere, no one can guarantee any place is 100% safe. Just need to make sure that there is proper follow up and handling of crime. The developer must also be responsible and do the follow up accordingly. As long as guards do their jobs and proper steps taken to harden the place + residents always help each other, it will be very difficult for things to happen again.

Residents should band together and have regular archery practice or get togethers regularly. Its better to do things proactively rather than reactively but then again, a lot of people think they are dirt rich so when you smile or wave at them, they think you are trying to suck up to them. It gets challenging at times but then again thats life. :)

Talk about crimes, nowadays when I driving around SG, can see board from police stating crime beware... Theft of bicycle, house breaking, loan shark activity, etc... With more FT coming SG is no longer safer as before!!

How good if we can be voluntary police in MY, in phil they have barunguy captains where they appoint someone in the precinct who is of good conduct and allowing him to recruit new members to guard the area and have full power to arrest anyone who do bad things. They also allowed to have guns, their car or motorbike plates all in red color, that's mean government personnel.. They also have batons and handcuffs on standby.... Think MY should start this kind of safety precautions measures...

[spidey]

Guys & Gals, just read the news in ST that EDL will impose toll only on SG registered cars! MY cars no need to pay toll!
Toll rates may rise to compensate for the low volume....:(
not sure how true this is but just hv to wait...

Dun know to laugh or cry after reading this...

[tutucake]

Guys & Gals, just read the news in ST that EDL will impose toll only on SG registered cars! MY cars no need to pay toll!
Toll rates may rise to compensate for the low volume....:(
not sure how true this is but just hv to wait...

Dun know to laugh or cry after reading this...


what the.... ...
the toll is collect at custom or they set up toll along EDL?

[sgtsk]

what the.... ...
the toll is collect at custom or they set up toll along EDL?

I remembered Najib has weighed in on this one and some high power committee will make a good recommendation for all concerned...

[Narmi]

I remembered Najib has weighed in on this one and some high power committee will make a good recommendation for all concerned...

Lets not jump d gun here and wait for official announcement. At least 'safe' till the GE...If d MY govt really value Sg investment n tourist dollars wic dey can get many times more the toll collectn.. Then they will make d right deciwion eventually..

[lonelysin]

Dear Bro DREAMorACTION,

Which porperty project are you referring to? Horizon Hills or Nusa Duta?
I have a bad experience with the agent you mentioned as well, Not only KC, but also his colleagues from the same company O*P Realty. JY, IK are a few names. They just simply shout the price. Imagine a property selling at 600K in January becomes 650K in February. They blamed it on the owner but the actual fact is, the valuation of the property comes back only at around 500K. The onwer is another problem, when one advertisement shows a higher price, all of them follow. The asking price does not reflect the actual price of the property.

I urged fellow brothers to becareful when dealing with agent. As mentioned before, it is best to purchase it directly from the developer. If no choice, then only got for subsale. Sorry for being harsh, but I would not recommend the above agents to anyone.




Ahh, sorry that it didn't work out well. It takes time to find that one special dream home, for sure! When I started, i was all over the places and visited so many places ... like doing election rally like that lol

Keep on searching but don't take too long until the state levy increases :)

Btw, on your other discussion about the agent kelvin Chee, the plum guy that drive white Toyota (I think it was Toyota if my memory serves correct), yes be mindful. He showed me some houses, and he had the guts to jack up the price by 30k when I showed interests to enquire deeper. He said if I was a week earlier, the price would be as per advertisement, that was 30k lower! And as I was upstairs looking around, his phone rang and he went outside to take the call. I went out to the balcony upstairs and I overheard him telling his colleague offering the same deal at the original advertised price.

I was pissed off of course. Basically he and his colleagues played with the resale market, especially those big reputable tamans. U will see their names repeatedly shown. Exercise discretion is my only advice when dealing with them.

[Arowana88]

Dear Bro DREAMorACTION,

Which porperty project are you referring to? Horizon Hills or Nusa Duta?
I have a bad experience with the agent you mentioned as well, Not only KC, but also his colleagues from the same company O*P Realty. JY, IK are a few names. They just simply shout the price. Imagine a property selling at 600K in January becomes 650K in February. They blamed it on the owner but the actual fact is, the valuation of the property comes back only at around 500K. The onwer is another problem, when one advertisement shows a higher price, all of them follow. The asking price does not reflect the actual price of the property.

I urged fellow brothers to becareful when dealing with agent. As mentioned before, it is best to purchase it directly from the developer. If no choice, then only got for subsale. Sorry for being harsh, but I would not recommend the above agents to anyone.

Bro who is JY??

[lonelysin]

They are able to sell at higher price because of us who are willing to pay. If a property is not sold within few months, the owner will definitely reduce the price. I was quoted a price of 650K for a property and after 2-3 weeks, they reduce it to 600K. Bull shit rite?




Bro,

Like it or not, kelvin chee and his buddy jeff are the Number 1 super top sales of hh. Many hh owners love them because they are able to sell at higher price. But if u r a buyer, u will curse him like hell.

With hh competitor nusa idaman in such a deep mess now and east ledang terraces already asking for rm1 million and above, many more folks will buy up hh houses in year.

There are other agents in the internet where u can find to buy resale houses other than kelvin and jeff also but one thing to note is that they are not the super salesmen of hh.

Btw, on your other discussion about the agent kelvin Chee, the plum guy that drive white Toyota (I think it was Toyota if my memory serves correct), yes be mindful. He showed me some houses, and he had the guts to jack up the price by 30k when I showed interests to enquire deeper. He said if I was a week earlier, the price would be as per advertisement, that was 30k lower! And as I was upstairs looking around, his phone rang and he went outside to take the call. I went out to the balcony upstairs and I overheard him telling his colleague offering the same deal at the original advertised price.

I was pissed off of course. Basically he and his colleagues played with the resale market, especially those big reputable tamans. U will see their names repeatedly shown. Exercise discretion is my only advice when dealing with them.[/QUOTE]

[lonelysin]

Je*f Y*p...............

[crystal_tiong]

Just now went to see my ni house progress, not much progress after 2 weeks.
Actually e cw link interchange is still quite a distance fr ni , I mis estimated e distance. So need worry congested .Hahha

[Narmi]

Just now went to see my ni house progress, not much progress after 2 weeks.
Actually e cw link interchange is still quite a distance fr ni , I mis estimated e distance. So need worry congested .Hahha

That is gd news then not far but not near either :)

[EDTBA]

I went to Setia Eco Garden today and there was a few terrace units from the older precincts that are opened up for sale to international buyers. The sale price was also based on the original package with a discount from the offer price and various fees absorbed (MOT, loan, legal)

I had a look at the Liviana (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-liviana.htm) on site where 2 corner units were available with nice 30-ft space for a garden. They were OK and would have committed to one of them. But I asked if there was anything else open to foriegners.

I was told there is a corner (last) unit of the Alphenor (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-alphenor.htm) that is also available and immediately asked to have a look. Although it is North facing and subject to afternoon sun, the view is great. It also has about 25-ft space for a nice garden. Anyway, this unit is now no longer available because I had signed the booking form :-) Signing of SPA will be in a month's time which is great as that will likely be before any increase in the government levy that looks to be quite certain according to the sales folks from SP Setia.

[horizonhills]

Yeah, as long as there are super demand for HH resale, Kelvin Chee and other agents will continue to shout out prices sky-high because their commission is higher and people are buying. But when buyers refuse to pay for the premiums, then prices will start to go down.

You will be surprised.. semi des houses with good renovations in HH now have only a bank indictative valuation of about RM 950k on average. But transactions and asking price has reached RM 1.6 million. That means the COV is a good few hundred thousand ringgit on top of the 10-30% downpayment.


They are able to sell at higher price because of us who are willing to pay. If a property is not sold within few months, the owner will definitely reduce the price. I was quoted a price of 650K for a property and after 2-3 weeks, they reduce it to 600K. Bull shit rite?



[/QUOTE]

[horizonhills]

Yeah, I have stated this possibility last month in this forum.. that they charge only Singapore registered cars but there are forummers who think otherwise as Malaysia government depends on Sinkie for a living. When I read the paper, the government claimed that when they disallow Singapore cars to pump RON 95, Singapore visitors still flock to Johor Bahru. So now they are proceeding to screw Singaporeans and leave the Malaysians alone as Singaporeans cannot vote for UMNO ma


Guys & Gals, just read the news in ST that EDL will impose toll only on SG registered cars! MY cars no need to pay toll!
Toll rates may rise to compensate for the low volume....:(
not sure how true this is but just hv to wait...

Dun know to laugh or cry after reading this...

[yonglip]

As usual Screwaporeans get screwed by the MY govt. nothing new. But come to think about it, its NOTHING compared to what we are experiencing back home.

i for one is grateful to the Msian govt for offering me a chance to retire early. I always count my savings,...eh um,..sorry blessings. haha.

cheers.

[yonglip]

I went to Setia Eco Garden today and there was a few terrace units from the older precincts that are opened up for sale to international buyers. The sale price was also based on the original package with a discount from the offer price and various fees absorbed (MOT, loan, legal)

I had a look at the Liviana (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-liviana.htm) on site where 2 corner units were available with nice 30-ft space for a garden. They were OK and would have committed to one of them. But I asked if there was anything else open to foriegners.

I was told there is a corner (last) unit of the Alphenor (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-alphenor.htm) that is also available and immediately asked to have a look. Although it is North facing and subject to afternoon sun, the view is great. It also has about 25-ft space for a nice garden. Anyway, this unit is now no longer available because I had signed the booking form :-) Signing of SPA will be in a month's time which is great as that will likely be before any increase in the government levy that looks to be quite certain according to the sales folks from SP Setia.

congrats bro on taking your first step towards an alternate but more liberating lifestyle. I would have assumed you have done all your homework bro cos SEG is located quite far in. That said, its truly a nice place with tons of greenery and fresh air.

cheers.

[EDTBA]

congrats bro on taking your first step towards an alternate but more liberating lifestyle. I would have assumed you have done all your homework bro cos SEG is located quite far in. That said, its truly a nice place with tons of greenery and fresh air.

cheers.

Thanks yonglip. The greenery and fresh air is precisely why I looked at Eco Gardens. This property is to be my retirement home. I have tolerated for too long the cramped environment in Singapore which is getting worse. Anyway, the big shopping malls and other emnities are really not too far away at Bukit Indah.

[euphony]

taking about housing security a few posts back. let me attach the academia knowledge about how secure tech devices (even cars) really are. not for the faint hearted...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=metkEeZvHTg

[homeinjb]

dear all,

i am new to this forum and looking forward to purchasing a home in Nusajaya. Have gone through this thread and seems like NI & HH are the only possibilities. Although manage to find details regarding HH, but couldnt locate any wesite related to NI. Seeking advice from the experts here to let me know where is the Nusa Idaman sales office and how it can be reached from Singapore or from bukit indah. unable to find any website related to Nusa Idaman project details.

cheers!
homeinjb

[Arowana88]

Je*f Y*p...............

Lucky it's not the agent I engage... She even ask for discount for me even I didn't ask her to.. Very honest woman and helpful..

[lonelysin]

Other agents from companies like tophills are better compared to the former.



Lucky it's not the agent I engage... She even ask for discount for me even I didn't ask her to.. Very honest woman and helpful..

[lonelysin]

Well, certainly not for me. If I have the $$ i will not be spending that much.
One need to approach a normal and independent valuer, not the valuer from the agents. Those agents have close relationship with the specific valuer and hence they can obtain higher valuation price for the property. So, from a buyer standpoint as long as they can get 90% of the selling price they are okay. BUT this does not reflect the actual value of the property.

I can see an oversupply of houses in Johor in the coming years...thats my own thoughts. :)




Yeah, as long as there are super demand for HH resale, Kelvin Chee and other agents will continue to shout out prices sky-high because their commission is higher and people are buying. But when buyers refuse to pay for the premiums, then prices will start to go down.

You will be surprised.. semi des houses with good renovations in HH now have only a bank indictative valuation of about RM 950k on average. But transactions and asking price has reached RM 1.6 million. That means the COV is a good few hundred thousand ringgit on top of the 10-30% downpayment.

[/QUOTE]

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, how many penthouses are there at your condo? I just saw another recent ads stating penthouse on sales...


Lucky it's not the agent I engage... She even ask for discount for me even I didn't ask her to.. Very honest woman and helpful..

[DREAMorACTION]

Nusa duta to be precise. The next stop was gonna be HH but I saw no point dealing with that agency anymore so I left ...


Dear Bro DREAMorACTION,

Which porperty project are you referring to? Horizon Hills or Nusa Duta?
I have a bad experience with the agent you mentioned as well, Not only KC, but also his colleagues from the same company O*P Realty. JY, IK are a few names. They just simply shout the price. Imagine a property selling at 600K in January becomes 650K in February. They blamed it on the owner but the actual fact is, the valuation of the property comes back only at around 500K. The onwer is another problem, when one advertisement shows a higher price, all of them follow. The asking price does not reflect the actual price of the property.

I urged fellow brothers to becareful when dealing with agent. As mentioned before, it is best to purchase it directly from the developer. If no choice, then only got for subsale. Sorry for being harsh, but I would not recommend the above agents to anyone.

[DREAMorACTION]

Yup. Quite a distance. The population at indah 2 will increase significantly soon. Another service apartment opposite the terminate will be launched soon, in addition to horizon residence that's under construction


Just now went to see my ni house progress, not much progress after 2 weeks.
Actually e cw link interchange is still quite a distance fr ni , I mis estimated e distance. So need worry congested .Hahha

[DREAMorACTION]

Yup, once u see panel bankers sitting at the sales office, it would mean that the bank has assessed the market value of the launch price and ready to provide loan facilities based on the launch price. It saves so much hassles and no valuation report is needed. Also in another word, there is no point visiting banks that u dont see at the sales office, because they will come back with hundred and one excuses to delay your application, and due to the deadline of 14 days to pay the down payment, one can only go with the panel bankers at sales office.

So for those that are going toall the banks to submit application, don't waste time. This is speaking from experience. Cheers


Dear Bro DREAMorACTION,

Which porperty project are you referring to? Horizon Hills or Nusa Duta?
I have a bad experience with the agent you mentioned as well, Not only KC, but also his colleagues from the same company O*P Realty. JY, IK are a few names. They just simply shout the price. Imagine a property selling at 600K in January becomes 650K in February. They blamed it on the owner but the actual fact is, the valuation of the property comes back only at around 500K. The onwer is another problem, when one advertisement shows a higher price, all of them follow. The asking price does not reflect the actual price of the property.

I urged fellow brothers to becareful when dealing with agent. As mentioned before, it is best to purchase it directly from the developer. If no choice, then only got for subsale. Sorry for being harsh, but I would not recommend the above agents to anyone.

[arsenal]

True. Every country screw foreigners except singapore where the govt always like to screw its own kind. I want to be a PR in singapore, at least I will be treated as talent.


As usual Screwaporeans get screwed by t its he MY govt. nothing new. But come to think about it, its NOTHING compared to what we are experiencing back home.

i for one is grateful to the Msian govt for offering me a chance to retire early. I always count my savings,...eh um,..sorry blessings. haha.

cheers.

[crystal_tiong]

Yup. Quite a distance. The population at indah 2 will increase significantly soon. Another service apartment opposite the terminate will be launched soon, in addition to horizon residence that's under construction

So yr house settle? Which bank loan?

[arsenal]

Its ok lah. After the CLOB case, what its new? Compare with the ERP and parking fees we have to pay everyday, it is ok lah..


Yeah, I have stated this possibility last month in this forum.. that they charge only Singapore registered cars but there are forummers who think otherwise as Malaysia government depends on Sinkie for a living. When I read the paper, the government claimed that when they disallow Singapore cars to pump RON 95, Singapore visitors still flock to Johor Bahru. So now they are proceeding to screw Singaporeans and leave the Malaysians alone as Singaporeans cannot vote for UMNO ma

[arsenal]

When singaporeans stop visiting JB, they might revert their policies.. Lets not buy any more property and stop visiting JB.


As usual Screwaporeans get screwed by the MY govt. nothing new. But come to think about it, its NOTHING compared to what we are experiencing back home.

i for one is grateful to the Msian govt for offering me a chance to retire early. I always count my savings,...eh um,..sorry blessings. haha.

cheers.

[ginfreely]

True. Every country screw foreigners except singapore where the govt always like to screw its own kind. I want to be a PR in singapore, at least I will be treated as talent.

Every country govt scared of losing votes mah but in SG no such worry becos got GRC.

[spidey]

When singaporeans stop visiting JB, they might revert their policies.. Lets not buy any more property and stop visiting JB.

Not to say completely stop going but to reduce the frequency loh... Eg used to go 4-5 times a mth, if the news is true, then will cut to 1-2 times.., buy less and eat less loh!

Actually they screw themselves too what, we go in less, spend less, they lose business also what!
So in the end it's the JB economy that is screwed..

Cry or laugh now???:confused::*:

[DREAMorACTION]

They even killed many of their own businessEs in the JB city with the introduction of the new CIQ. So, I think no one would be spared ...


Not to say completely stop going but to reduce the frequency loh... Eg used to go 4-5 times a mth, if the news is true, then will cut to 1-2 times.., buy less and eat less loh!

Actually they screw themselves too what, we go in less, spend less, they lose business also what!
So in the end it's the JB economy that is screwed..

Cry or laugh now???:confused::*:

[DREAMorACTION]

Nope, still in progress ... The loan application process isn't straight forward after they introduced the new rulings ... Many misalignments between branches and HQ in KL ... And I'm talking about all the banks!


So yr house settle? Which bank loan?

[whoami]

Not to say completely stop going but to reduce the frequency loh... Eg used to go 4-5 times a mth, if the news is true, then will cut to 1-2 times.., buy less and eat less loh!

Actually they screw themselves too what, we go in less, spend less, they lose business also what!
So in the end it's the JB economy that is screwed..

Cry or laugh now???:confused::*:

Will sillyporeans learn their lessons? No. Kiasi, kiasu, Kancheong....for all u know the imminent increase of state levy could be due to our fault too.:(

[DREAMorACTION]

I would like to think it in the business perspective. I.e. first mover advantage vs late followers which usually have higher opportunity costs :)


Will sillyporeans learn their lessons? No. Kiasi, kiasu, Kancheong....for all u know the imminent increase of state levy could be due to our fault too.:(

[contra]

Not to say completely stop going but to reduce the frequency loh... Eg used to go 4-5 times a mth, if the news is true, then will cut to 1-2 times.., buy less and eat less loh!

Actually they screw themselves too what, we go in less, spend less, they lose business also what!
So in the end it's the JB economy that is screwed..

Cry or laugh now???:confused::*:


Actually can avoid or not, the EDL when crossing at Causeway?

[Lord Aragorn]

Not to say completely stop going but to reduce the frequency loh... Eg used to go 4-5 times a mth, if the news is true, then will cut to 1-2 times.., buy less and eat less loh!

Actually they screw themselves too what, we go in less, spend less, they lose business also what!
So in the end it's the JB economy that is screwed..

Cry or laugh now???:confused::*:

If the toll hikes for Singaporeans were true, what do you think will be the impact on traffic during weekday peak hours on the causeway?

[DREAMorACTION]

I guess No impact. Status quo. Those who travel during peak hours are workers. So money must still be paid in order to get to work ...


If the toll hikes for Singaporeans were true, what do you think will be the impact on traffic during weekday peak hours on the causeway?

[arsenal]

Tonight have some drinks and a bit drunk.
Spoke to a china national of 20 years. His first visit to Singapore. He thought Singapore is a heaven until he saw many old Singaporeans cleaning tables and asked me why, because all old folks in china will be given some pensions in one way or another..
Also spoke to some Singtel folks. 500 old Singtel staffs were transferred to a company called Huawei. After seeing MPs and ministers, the agreement is those above worked for Singtel more than 25 years will be given 3.5 months severance pay. Huawei will promise them no retrenchment within 1 year. After that their employability is subjected to performance. Huawei have big supply of workers and they absorb these workers because of relationship with Singtel. Basically Singtel are asking Huawei to ex these folks rather than paying them 1 year 1 month severance, for their own KPI at the excuse of working for shareholder which is mainly Temasek.. I don't mind give away my Singtel share to keep their job..

What has Singapore become, just a money churning machines for shareholders? Every countries will take care of their people. I am not talking about Greece or the PIGs because a lot of rich folks are not paying taxes..

Malaysia is always ready to suck Singaporean.. Where can we go? What the hell has our country become?

I am high.. But when see the old folks cleaning tables in golden shoes, I am glad that some one still willing to give them a job.. I am sad that if we don't take care of ourselves, we could become like them..just to survive and live in this country.. Maybe some of these old folks are graduates without jobs..

[Investor]

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know whether construction of Life-Style Mall beside Legoland has started? It is suppose to open sometime around end of this year together with Legoland, Indoor Theme Park(Puteri Harbour) and Traders Hotel.

[arsenal]

Many years ago I have a good chance of making a lot of money... I was in my 20s.. The money is enough for me to retire immediately and travel round the world till I am old... However due to some reasons which I think god is helping me for not getting the money..if not I will be a very different person because I will not know what to do with the money at that age..

Over the years I saw many young folks suddenly making good money out of no reasons.. They convince themselves it is because they are smart and because they work hard...(yes I am drunk)...and they become complacent and proud, they talked loud and looked down on people.. However a few years down the road and with the change of the tide.. They realize actually they are just a bit lucky.. And idiots will make the same money under the same situation... Sometimes one need to know without some heavenly blessings, you might not get that...

Do you really think all those civil servants making millions are because they are the best and smartest? I seriously dont think so.. ( I am sleeping soon)..

Everyone has a path in this life.. Everyone will experience different things.. Do be humble when you do well because someone doesn't do well might not because he is lazy... Even a smart guy who are strucked by a big sudden sickness or a sue, he might end up having to clean tables in golden shoe..

[sgtsk]

Many years ago I have a good chance of making a lot of money... I was in my 20s.. The money is enough for me to retire immediately and travel round the world till I am old... However due to some reasons which I think god is helping me for not getting the money..if not I will be a very different person because I will not know what to do with the money at that age..

Over the years I saw many young folks suddenly making good money out of no reasons.. They convince themselves it is because they are smart and because they work hard...(yes I am drunk)...and they become complacent and proud, they talked loud and looked down on people.. However a few years down the road and with the change of the tide.. They realize actually they are just a bit lucky.. And idiots will make the same money under the same situation... Sometimes one need to know without some heavenly blessings, you might not get that...

Do you really think all those civil servants making millions are because they are the best and smartest? I seriously dont think so.. ( I am sleeping soon)..

Everyone has a path in this life.. Everyone will experience different things.. Do be humble when you do well because someone doesn't do well might not because he is lazy... Even a smart guy who are strucked by a big sudden sickness or a sue, he might end up having to clean tables in golden shoe..


How so true!

I remembered someone told me that in some investment, it could only goes up or goes down or no up no down. If one thousand idiots were to make the investment, it wouldn't be surprising if about 1/3 of these idiots were to be right sometimes. So it is contraditory to say these idiots were smart because idiots by definition are not smart.

[sgtsk]

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know whether construction of Life-Style Mall beside Legoland has started? It is suppose to open sometime around end of this year together with Legoland, Indoor Theme Park(Puteri Harbour) and Traders Hotel.

I was there sat afternoon, some structures are half built, not sure if these were for the life style mall. One 30 storey hotel in China was built in 2 weeks. If similar speed is to be used, then the mall could likely be ready by year end :p

[sgtsk]

Some learned people say this is the general trend in the world today where corporate interests have become so powerful. I am sure it would become worse in decades to come. Not sure I could have chance to see reversal in my life time.

[spidey]

I guess No impact. Status quo. Those who travel during peak hours are workers. So money must still be paid in order to get to work ...

Bro, impact will be those PRs that stays in JB but work in SG, coz SPR cannot drive MY registered cars in SG..
Also those SG businessmen that need to travel to JB on a daily basis, eg hv factory there or salesmen need to go JB to meet client..,
I know some of these ppl go thru like a couple of times a day!
Can't imagine, will be a real pain:mad: for these group of ppl.

I see another impact would be businesses will be factoring in these cost and prices of things may go up...both side of the causeway!:*: thou not a lot lah! Then again never know!!

Also bros, IF the MY gov charge SG registered cars, then what about the SG CIQ? Also charge SG registered cars only and all MY registered cars o need to pay? Or charge on MY registered cars? Tit for a tat!!

If this is really the case, I believe a lot of ppl will be screwed... Local and foreign alike...
On the other hand, will it be a smoother ride to Jb? :D

[spidey]

Some learned people say this is the general trend in the world today where corporate interests have become so powerful. I am sure it would become worse in decades to come. Not sure I could have chance to see reversal in my life time.

Yes, it is, my co just did this, cost saving mah....and I lost 15 staff in this process!!
Either the co survive or a lot more ppl will get the axe... It's a cruel world out there!

One of our bros here hit the point - be humble and be contented with what u have! Someone out there is in a worse shit than you!
I would like to add, spend more time with yr loved ones, live is too short! God bless...

[lonelysin]

Brother DREAMorACTION,

Besides Nusa Duta, you can go for other projects. I think Bukit Indah 2 or Sutera Utama are good places worth having a look as well. I would it's overprice over there at the moment. There's one property, owner and agent asking for 880K but valuation comes back 650K only.

As for the agent, I will just forget it. I'm not against agent and paying the 1% but what we want is reliable and trustworthy agents. I've been meeting alot of agents previously and I can say than some are good. We just need to becareful. From the way they talk we will know whether they are good or not.



Nusa duta to be precise. The next stop was gonna be HH but I saw no point dealing with that agency anymore so I left ...

[lonelysin]

Brother DREAMorACTION,

If you buy straight from developer, there's no need valuation. For new projects, regardless how high the price is, one can get maximum loan from the bank. It is the subsale property that we need to get a valuer. Imagine developer selling a property at 600K and after completion, the owner would like to sell it at 800K. Do you think the valuer will valuate the property up to 800K?






Yup, once u see panel bankers sitting at the sales office, it would mean that the bank has assessed the market value of the launch price and ready to provide loan facilities based on the launch price. It saves so much hassles and no valuation report is needed. Also in another word, there is no point visiting banks that u dont see at the sales office, because they will come back with hundred and one excuses to delay your application, and due to the deadline of 14 days to pay the down payment, one can only go with the panel bankers at sales office.

So for those that are going toall the banks to submit application, don't waste time. This is speaking from experience. Cheers

[spidey]

As for the agent, I will just forget it. I'm not against agent and paying the 1% but what we want is reliable and trustworthy agents. I've been meeting alot of agents previously and I can say than some are good. We just need to becareful. From the way they talk we will know whether they are good or not.

Why buyer need to pay 1% to agent, in all my property purchases in MY KL, buyers DO NOT need to pay anything to the agent ..only sellers have to coz they appointed the agent. Why is JB following SG Policy? Just because they are near to SG?
In KL, u don't get this kind of fees on the buyer!

[lonelysin]

Too many rules, restrictions and regulations.
Last week while talking to a Malaysian colleague, I was told that a SPR who wish to convert to Singapore driving license needs to let go Malaysian driving license.




Bro, impact will be those PRs that stays in JB but work in SG, coz SPR cannot drive MY registered cars in SG..
Also those SG businessmen that need to travel to JB on a daily basis, eg hv factory there or salesmen need to go JB to meet client..,
I know some of these ppl go thru like a couple of times a day!
Can't imagine, will be a real pain:mad: for these group of ppl.

I see another impact would be businesses will be factoring in these cost and prices of things may go up...both side of the causeway!:*: thou not a lot lah! Then again never know!!

Also bros, IF the MY gov charge SG registered cars, then what about the SG CIQ? Also charge SG registered cars only and all MY registered cars o need to pay? Or charge on MY registered cars? Tit for a tat!!

If this is really the case, I believe a lot of ppl will be screwed... Local and foreign alike...
On the other hand, will it be a smoother ride to Jb? :D

[Nasi Lemak]

Why buyer need to pay 1% to agent, in all my property purchases in MY KL, buyers DO NOT need to pay anything to the agent ..only sellers have to coz they appointed the agent. Why is JB following SG Policy? Just because they are near to SG?
In KL, u don't get this kind of fees on the buyer!

Agreed with you bro..

[lonelysin]

I TOTALLY agree with you. It is the seller/vendor that approach the agent to represent them. Buyers are JUST buyers. I do not see the rasionale on buyers paying the 1% comission to agent. This policy is crap. I raised this question many times to the agents especially KC and JY. They said KL is KL and JB is JB, different law. Is there such law? Maybe we should lodge a complain to the Malaysia real estate association etc. Is there one?

Anyway, both states are under Malaysia. There must be governing body for this real estate thingy.




Why buyer need to pay 1% to agent, in all my property purchases in MY KL, buyers DO NOT need to pay anything to the agent ..only sellers have to coz they appointed the agent. Why is JB following SG Policy? Just because they are near to SG?
In KL, u don't get this kind of fees on the buyer!

[Nasi Lemak]

Too many rules, restrictions and regulations.
Last week while talking to a Malaysian colleague, I was told that a SPR who wish to convert to Singapore driving license needs to let go Malaysian driving license.

You dont need to let go MY driving license.
It is all rubbish where the JPJ Johor wanted to get few hundreds of kopi money from you in order for you to retain the MY driving license.
Try any other states in MY the JPJ do not have such rules that you must cancel your MY driving licence.

[Lord Aragorn]

On the other hand, will it be a smoother ride to Jb? :D

The qn is whether the SPR malaysians and others will

A. Switch to motorbikes
B. Not deliberately use the causeway even if they are near the 2nd link

This will reduce congestion if it happens. But will it happen?

Also, what proportion of the peak causeway traffic is Malaysian cars? If there were a lot, why would they rather pay $20 per entry than to own a cheap SG car? I'm quite interested to know the profile of drivers taking the causeway during peak hours. That will help us analyze the impact of traffic due to the toll hikes.

[Arowana88]

Bro, how many penthouses are there at your condo? I just saw another recent ads stating penthouse on sales...


Bro u wan to buy is it?? Tot u have laguna?

[Arowana88]

The qn is whether the SPR malaysians and others will

A. Switch to motorbikes
B. Not deliberately use the causeway even if they are near the 2nd link

This will reduce congestion if it happens. But will it happen?

Also, what proportion of the peak causeway traffic is Malaysian cars? If there were a lot, why would they rather pay $20 per entry than to own a cheap SG car? I'm quite interested to know the profile of drivers taking the causeway during peak hours. That will help us analyze the impact of traffic due to the toll hikes.

Time to call in all bikers!!!! Toll only rm1!!!

[DREAMorACTION]

I feel like going to take a look, although I do have taman laguna. So, how many are there please? :)


Bro u wan to buy is it?? Tot u have laguna?

[teck21]

I TOTALLY agree with you. It is the seller/vendor that approach the agent to represent them. Buyers are JUST buyers. I do not see the rasionale on buyers paying the 1% comission to agent. This policy is crap. I raised this question many times to the agents especially KC and JY. They said KL is KL and JB is JB, different law. Is there such law? Maybe we should lodge a complain to the Malaysia real estate association etc. Is there one?

Anyway, both states are under Malaysia. There must be governing body for this real estate thingy.

There is no rationale for this practice at all, zero. JB have different law? Screw that. I have also thought about complaining to somebody, but first one needs to find out who, and then even after that, one has no way of ensuring disciplinary action on offending agent, or in fact any kind of enforcement action by relevant agency. Even worse, agents become bolder when no action gets taken against them. Malaysia, like Singapore (Singapore less so now), many things are done for wayang only.

There is one way to screw these f*ckers over, but only assuming that like in Singapore, anybody can pay money to find out who the registered property owner is. Here we only need to pay URA a few dollars to find out who owns a property, so long as it has a caveat lodged against it, and most do.

If it can be done in Malaysia, simple. Talk to agent, see house you like. Say bye bye to agent, find seller details, contact seller and make offer. Bypass agent altogether. Since agents want to play dirty, play dirty with them. They want to unlawfully collect 1% from buyer (thereby representing no one's interest but their own), buyer and seller no longer have any financial obligation to said agent. Use that against them, see what they have to say.

In Singapore few people do this because the practice of collecting money from both parties has more or less stopped. And if a seller tries to bypass an agent (assuming the agent had a direct effect on introducing buyer to seller), the owner will get sued and still have to pay comm. Assuming the selling agent has not been guilty of any wrongful action.

But in the case of these JB agents, their attempts to collect 1% from buyer plus however many % from seller is wrong, legally and ethically. No need to play by their rules.

I paid 1% to agent when I bought my property because I was blur, and in the very first meeting with the agent, when discussing fees to pay, I already mentioned the 1% comm. Stupid me ha ha. But never again will I pay buyer's commission because such a thing should not exist at all.

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, to be more factual, not all banks can give the loan facilities based on the asking price of the developer. Different banks have their own valuers and only banks that have valuation close to the launching price will tie up with developers (called the EF line) and the buyer would be able to obtain full loan. That's why u will never see all the banks going in and finance a particular project, due to different risk appetite and valuation ... Cheers ;)


Brother DREAMorACTION,

If you buy straight from developer, there's no need valuation. For new projects, regardless how high the price is, one can get maximum loan from the bank. It is the subsale property that we need to get a valuer. Imagine developer selling a property at 600K and after completion, the owner would like to sell it at 800K. Do you think the valuer will valuate the property up to 800K?

[DREAMorACTION]

Thanks bro for the recommendations. I have indeed visited all the tamans, including those in the east and north JB. It's amazing how many developments u can find throughout JB and I always enjoy looking at the new designs :)


Brother DREAMorACTION,

Besides Nusa Duta, you can go for other projects. I think Bukit Indah 2 or Sutera Utama are good places worth having a look as well. I would it's overprice over there at the moment. There's one property, owner and agent asking for 880K but valuation comes back 650K only.

As for the agent, I will just forget it. I'm not against agent and paying the 1% but what we want is reliable and trustworthy agents. I've been meeting alot of agents previously and I can say than some are good. We just need to becareful. From the way they talk we will know whether they are good or not.

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro teck, been very busy? Noticed u are posting lesser and lesser in your renovation blog. Would be great if u share the progress pics too :) happy Reno!


There is no rationale for this practice at all, zero. JB have different law? Screw that. I have also thought about complaining to somebody, but first one needs to find out who, and then even after that, one has no way of ensuring disciplinary action on offending agent, or in fact any kind of enforcement action by relevant agency. Even worse, agents become bolder when no action gets taken against them. Malaysia, like Singapore (Singapore less so now), many things are done for wayang only.

There is one way to screw these f*ckers over, but only assuming that like in Singapore, anybody can pay money to find out who the registered property owner is. Here we only need to pay URA a few dollars to find out who owns a property, so long as it has a caveat lodged against it, and most do.

If it can be done in Malaysia, simple. Talk to agent, see house you like. Say bye bye to agent, find seller details, contact seller and make offer. Bypass agent altogether. Since agents want to play dirty, play dirty with them. They want to unlawfully collect 1% from buyer (thereby representing no one's interest but their own), buyer and seller no longer have any financial obligation to said agent. Use that against them, see what they have to say.

In Singapore few people do this because the practice of collecting money from both parties has more or less stopped. And if a seller tries to bypass an agent (assuming the agent had a direct effect on introducing buyer to seller), the owner will get sued and still have to pay comm. Assuming the selling agent has not been guilty of any wrongful action.

But in the case of these JB agents, their attempts to collect 1% from buyer plus however many % from seller is wrong, legally and ethically. No need to play by their rules.

I paid 1% to agent when I bought my property because I was blur, and in the very first meeting with the agent, when discussing fees to pay, I already mentioned the 1% comm. Stupid me ha ha. But never again will I pay buyer's commission because such a thing should not exist at all.

[lonelysin]

Not only on the comission part, those agents are cocky and rude. I'm not against agent but most of them, their attitude sucks big time. They think they can easily squeeze people. I dislike these kind of people.

What you said is right. After you have visit the property, you should have known the address, location etc. From there you can go straight to the land office to check the info. Just pay them the usual processing fees and then you can kick the agent goodbye. What can they do?

I'm telling you guys now that the prices in Nusajaya are overprice. All of us are buying and this leads to the push up in price by developer and owner. It does not reflect the true value with the selling price. I would say it's panic buying. Once cannot compare KL and JB. But now, it seems that JB prices are comparable and some even higher than KL. Everyone kept on saying that raw materials price kept on going up etc which leads to the increase in property price. I hope that I'm wrong. I'm afraid that in the near future, the prices will start dropping. Lets keep our fingers cross that this Iskandar thingy will be a success.




There is no rationale for this practice at all, zero. JB have different law? Screw that. I have also thought about complaining to somebody, but first one needs to find out who, and then even after that, one has no way of ensuring disciplinary action on offending agent, or in fact any kind of enforcement action by relevant agency. Even worse, agents become bolder when no action gets taken against them. Malaysia, like Singapore (Singapore less so now), many things are done for wayang only.

There is one way to screw these f*ckers over, but only assuming that like in Singapore, anybody can pay money to find out who the registered property owner is. Here we only need to pay URA a few dollars to find out who owns a property, so long as it has a caveat lodged against it, and most do.

If it can be done in Malaysia, simple. Talk to agent, see house you like. Say bye bye to agent, find seller details, contact seller and make offer. Bypass agent altogether. Since agents want to play dirty, play dirty with them. They want to unlawfully collect 1% from buyer (thereby representing no one's interest but their own), buyer and seller no longer have any financial obligation to said agent. Use that against them, see what they have to say.

In Singapore few people do this because the practice of collecting money from both parties has more or less stopped. And if a seller tries to bypass an agent (assuming the agent had a direct effect on introducing buyer to seller), the owner will get sued and still have to pay comm. Assuming the selling agent has not been guilty of any wrongful action.

But in the case of these JB agents, their attempts to collect 1% from buyer plus however many % from seller is wrong, legally and ethically. No need to play by their rules.

I paid 1% to agent when I bought my property because I was blur, and in the very first meeting with the agent, when discussing fees to pay, I already mentioned the 1% comm. Stupid me ha ha. But never again will I pay buyer's commission because such a thing should not exist at all.

[whoami]

I'm telling you guys now that the prices in Nusajaya are overprice. All of us are buying and this leads to the push up in price by developer and owner. It does not reflect the true value with the selling price. I would say it's panic buying. Once cannot compare KL and JB. But now, it seems that JB prices are comparable and some even higher than KL.


All thanks to the frenzied buying tats happening in Nusajaya. Kiasu Sillyporeans and Msians working in Spore...

[whoami]

I would like to think it in the business perspective. I.e. first mover advantage vs late followers which usually have higher opportunity costs :)

Yah...and the developers laughing away to the banks.....

[lonelysin]

Exactly. Take for example a fresh graduate and a normal professional with 5-10years work experience working in JB. Salary for fresh graduate is around 2.5~3.0K. For those with 5-10years experience, they may be drawing around 4K~6K.

Do you think they can afford buying property with price around 700K above? Don't say 700K, even 500K is consider very high for those working in JB. You still have your family and kids to feed, other expenses, etc. You can't dump in 70% of your monthly income into the installment.

So, what Whoami said is VERY TRUE. Malaysians working in Spore and Singaporean's buying causes the price to increase drastically. I was told by one of my friend that 70% of the residents in Horizon Hills are Singaporean. If we can think rasionally, all these will not happen. What if one day Iskandar development and Nusajaya fail? What will happen? Look at Cyberjaya, the so called Silicon valley of Malaysia visioned by Dr. Mahathir. What happened to it now?

Let us hope that this Iskandar thingy is a success in the near future.




All thanks to the frenzied buying tats happening in Nusajaya. Kiasu Sillyporeans and Msians working in Spore...

[lonelysin]

U see, lets say a developer launch a property 2 years ago at 400K. Upon completion of the property 2 years later, they launched another phase. Similar specs or land area slightly bigger, and they sell at 700K. This is rediculous. But surprisingly, people still buy.

So, those who purchase the first phase wants to sell it off at a higher price near to the new phase launching price. The problem is the valuation comes back around 500K only. Who can afford to buy unless that person is cash rich.

Take Laguna for example. All Singaporean quota were sold 100%. But for the local Malaysian, there are plenty of units out there for grab. Who can afford to pay 638K? Local Malaysians working in JB? They're going to pay the installment through their nose for 30years and eat bread everyday. Haha. As whoami mentioned, Malaysians working in Spore will buy.


Yah...and the developers laughing away to the banks.....

[Grago]

Have you all seen those 3 in 1 stainless steel metal door that comes with grille and frames? The lock system within their products was very impressive, there were more than six lock points. In addition, there is anti-theft function. During your reno period, you can pass a set of keys to the contractors. After they have left, you can use another master key to "wash" and reconfigure the internal lock system, and u use another set of keys that the package comes with. So there would be no worries that your contractor duplicating your keys.

www.newedge.com.my (http://www.newedge.com.my)

And have you come across this product that is wire-mesh that serves to replace the ugly grille? Apparently, it's much tougher and harder to be broken into than the grilles. It can keep the mozzie and insects out too.

http://www.majestec.com/product/pro_cat.php?cid=2&cid_pr=2&cname=Security Doors

I had a chance to look at these 2 products recently at the home fair and I thought both product concepts were brilliant .... well, im saying good probably because I haven't seen enough on the variety of the products out there in the market, but nonetheless, I was still very impressed.

have you seen these products? What do you all think? pros and cons? these products dont come cheap for sure...

Bro, did you see them at PERSADA expo in JB? If not where did you see them.......? Thanks

[DREAMorACTION]

No bro. It was at KSL ...


Bro, did you see them at PERSADA expo in JB? If not where did you see them.......? Thanks

[whoami]

Juz the other day I went to this particular precinct. Look see look see. An End lot terrace looks ok but SW facing. Price quoted was M$470K. I told the sales staff I dont tink i qualify cos below threshold n i am a foreigner. She said wait a minute i go check again. Came back told me " u are lucky. My boss decided to peg the price at M$510K now". I asked why is it so? She did reply back ...but i cant remember the reasons. And mind u...practically all the units taken up. Except for some corner terraces with very big extra land..big enough to build another intermediate lot. And some units facing the surau/religious school and power substation...



Take Laguna for example. All Singaporean quota were sold 100%. But for the local Malaysian, there are plenty of units out there for grab. Who can afford to pay 638K? Local Malaysians working in JB? They're going to pay the installment through their nose for 30years and eat bread everyday. Haha. As whoami mentioned, Malaysians working in Spore will buy.

Precisely!

Sales staff told me so...and I also got the info fm the horses mouth too...

[yahoo1234]

dear all,

i am new to this forum and looking forward to purchasing a home in Nusajaya. Have gone through this thread and seems like NI & HH are the only possibilities. Although manage to find details regarding HH, but couldnt locate any wesite related to NI. Seeking advice from the experts here to let me know where is the Nusa Idaman sales office and how it can be reached from Singapore or from bukit indah. unable to find any website related to Nusa Idaman project details.

cheers!
homeinjb

If you have your GPS with you then, lat=1.4733359 & lon=103.6413341

You can also get more information from:
- http://www.nusaidaman.com/
- Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nusa-Idaman-Precinct-7/181453581933057
- Lalitha +60177648929

[Investor]

For those who are interested in Malaysia My 2nd Home (MM2H), there is a 45 mins seminar on MM2H in Suntec Convention Center today at 4.xxpm.

SMART Investment & Property Expo
Suntec Convention & Exhibition center
Hall 4, Seminar area 2.

[sgtsk]

Yes, it is, my co just did this, cost saving mah....and I lost 15 staff in this process!!
Either the co survive or a lot more ppl will get the axe... It's a cruel world out there!

One of our bros here hit the point - be humble and be contented with what u have! Someone out there is in a worse shit than you!
I would like to add, spend more time with yr loved ones, live is too short! God bless...

It is inherent in the system of meritocracy, free competition, free market economy, the greedy and smartest will prevail. Each success of the successful further strengthens their competitive advantages in terms of brain power, capital, connection and political and economical as well as business influence. Only hope for the disadvantaged is the govt should moderate income gaps and wealth gaps by sound policies.

[Lord Aragorn]

Has anyone renewed your SG passport while carrying MACS?

Can the old passport be retained with an extension instead of getting a new passport?

If a new passport has to be issued, does it invalidate the macs on the old passport and hence one would have to enter MY with the new passport without MACS just to renew the MACS?

[Lord Aragorn]

Hi Wuqi, you mentioned your wife is pregnant. I read somewhere that woman more than 6 months pregnant are not allowed to enter Malaysia. Is it true? If it's true, does it mean your wife have to stay in SG in her last 3 months of pregnancy to give birth?

[homeinjb]

Hi yahoo1234,

Thanks for the information. I was able to get the details from Nusa Idaman sales office with the contact info provided by you.
Unfortunately the website http://www.nusaidaman.com/ doesnt exists
Will visit them to get more details, hope thats a better place to live.....


If you have your GPS with you then, lat=1.4733359 & lon=103.6413341

You can also get more information from:
- http://www.nusaidaman.com/
- Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nusa-Idaman-Precinct-7/181453581933057
- Lalitha +60177648929

[arsenal]

Some companies do it for survival is understandable. Singtel, Smrt and govt linked companies etc do it for more bonus is really something not to be encouraged... It is like eating beef for survival is comprehensible..killing animals for fun is not necessary and...wrong..


Why buyer need to pay 1% to agent, in all my property purchases in MY KL, buyers DO NOT need to pay anything to the agent ..only sellers have to coz they appointed the agent. Why is JB following SG Policy? Just because they are near to SG?
In KL, u don't get this kind of fees on the buyer!

[Snooze]

Question - Does any developers sell land only without houses? Are Sgps allowed to buy land only?

[rw6akr]

Going back to the security and safety of Malaysia I have an interesting study of Global Peace Index for forumers to review. That index gauges ongoing domestic and international conflict, safety and security in society and militarisation in 153 countries, registered overall score increases for several indicators, the largest of which were in the potential for terrorist acts and the likelihood of violent demonstrations.
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011GPIMethodologyResultsFindings.pdf

Surprisingly, results of Singapore are less impressive in that research compared to those of Malaysia which is number 19th safest place in the world, first in South East Asia and 4th in the region (after Japan, Australia and New Zealand) while Singapore is only number 24th. There should have been a number of reasons for such evaluation but it is difficult not to believe such statistic unless one can prove otherwise...

[rw6akr]

Question - Does any developers sell land only without houses? Are Sgps allowed to buy land only?
Ledang Heights by UEM sells land and SG citizens are welcome there while stock lasts.

[wuqi256]

Has anyone renewed your SG passport while carrying MACS?

Can the old passport be retained with an extension instead of getting a new passport?

If a new passport has to be issued, does it invalidate the macs on the old passport and hence one would have to enter MY with the new passport without MACS just to renew the MACS?

SG passport cannot, if a new passport is issued, then you have to use the MACS. I did have a bro who used his old MACS sticker on his new passport, just tear off and use double sided tape. To be safest though, just get new MACS with the new passport.

[wuqi256]

Seems until today still have a lot of questions that were answered earlier, bros you can definitely drive a MY car using SG or even better, an international license. (Get this license from SG as its cheaper there)

[wuqi256]

Not only on the comission part, those agents are cocky and rude. I'm not against agent but most of them, their attitude sucks big time. They think they can easily squeeze people. I dislike these kind of people.

What you said is right. After you have visit the property, you should have known the address, location etc. From there you can go straight to the land office to check the info. Just pay them the usual processing fees and then you can kick the agent goodbye. What can they do?

I'm telling you guys now that the prices in Nusajaya are overprice. All of us are buying and this leads to the push up in price by developer and owner. It does not reflect the true value with the selling price. I would say it's panic buying. Once cannot compare KL and JB. But now, it seems that JB prices are comparable and some even higher than KL. Everyone kept on saying that raw materials price kept on going up etc which leads to the increase in property price. I hope that I'm wrong. I'm afraid that in the near future, the prices will start dropping. Lets keep our fingers cross that this Iskandar thingy will be a success.






Agree, at least 90% is not so good, even those working at developers sometimes. Best is to get someone senior or reliable at the developers in my humble opinion. You will be surprised, alot of Singaporeans (being type A+ guys) will still stick to it for professional reasons.

Yes prices has gone up considerably but higher with KL or Penang, there are still some gaps. Your example of Laguna was good but my understanding was that the quota given to Singaporeans are low and those for the locals were snapped up fast even after raising prices. HH and other developments are different as they have no such quota. It normally takes at least 2 years for a bubble to form, a learned investor friend shared with me the other day so according to him, we are in the early stages of "foaming".

Its not only Singaporeans who are coming in here, there are actually lots of other nationalities, not only Singaporeans who are coming in. The Chinese(China and Hong Kong), the Japs are all coming in and especially these 2 groups can pay much more than a typical Singaporean who is mainly to look at just retiring. Actually i noticed that Koreans have been here for some time too. Recently I have seen at least 6 groups from KL buying houses here so its not only foreigners as well.

One gynae in a private hospital here (from Penang) also bought a few in the last few years and he is not alone. A trader boss (Johorean) has 11 units in HH and his relative has at least 5-6. Even some of my very learned local friends have at least 3-4 for relatives/investment. Johoreans according to my local friends do have money but there was very little opportunities for them to flex their financial muscles, until now.

Majority of Singaporeans come in, buy 1-2 units and thats it. Its investing firms from Sri Lanka, etc that have actually bought in bulk and then resold to Singaporeans/Johoreans/Other Nationalities.

I know as i bought more than 2 units from this group. I still maintain the statement i made from the very first day, buy for own stay first. Always only invest what you can afford to lose.

There are actually still a variety of housing options for the locals be it low cost, medium cost housing, etc as well as other options from the resale market. Rent remains relatively low for most types of housing and there are many parts of Johore which are still much lower in terms of pricing so there are much more options here.

I have some friends who are struggling with the many requests from well heeled friends/business associates from China who are starting to come in droves here. I myself have stopped entertaining requests from friends especially those who are here to just invest. I still hope prices remain low enough for my laggard sister and other relatives and friends to buy and retire here.

[wuqi256]

Heard something sad from a friend yesterday, he had some foreign friends as well as Singapore friends coming into Johore to look at retirement options. All the HK, etc friends came despite all the past bad press and came equipped with practical stuff like GPS, maps.

The Singaporean ones (supposedly in senior positions) came with lots of canned food/drinks, instant noodles and loads of camping equipment, "In case they got lost and cannot find food and water here" - They know the address and place they are going to go to (BUKIT INDAH) but they still think its more rural than Kota Tinggi.

They must somehow still think everyone lives on stilts and coconut trees, i truly wished him good luck with them (he is a kind bro)

One relative also recently proudly/loudly stated, "you cannot go anywhere in Johore without passing through the first link and Pelangi, even 2nd link must got through 1st link". I just smiled. Ignorance is bliss.

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, u have summed it all up.

Pertaining to laguna, this is the latest I heard. 2 different local families snapped up 2 corners units that cost more than 800k each. The land size is humongous tho ... So there are indeed a lot of affluent locals, it's only a matter of whether they wanna show their muscles, their lean six packs and their toned pecs :)


Agree, at least 90% is not so good, even those working at developers sometimes. Best is to get someone senior or reliable at the developers in my humble opinion. You will be surprised, alot of Singaporeans (being type A+ guys) will still stick to it for professional reasons.

Yes prices has gone up considerably but higher with KL or Penang, there are still some gaps. Your example of Laguna was good but my understanding was that the quota given to Singaporeans are low and those for the locals were snapped up fast even after raising prices. HH and other developments are different as they have no such quota. It normally takes at least 2 years for a bubble to form, a learned investor friend shared with me the other day so according to him, we are in the early stages of "foaming".

Its not only Singaporeans who are coming in here, there are actually lots of other nationalities, not only Singaporeans who are coming in. The Chinese(China and Hong Kong), the Japs are all coming in and especially these 2 groups can pay much more than a typical Singaporean who is mainly to look at just retiring. Actually i noticed that Koreans have been here for some time too. Recently I have seen at least 6 groups from KL buying houses here so its not only foreigners as well.

One gynae in a private hospital here (from Penang) also bought a few in the last few years and he is not alone. A trader boss (Johorean) has 11 units in HH and his relative has at least 5-6. Even some of my very learned local friends have at least 3-4 for relatives/investment. Johoreans according to my local friends do have money but there was very little opportunities for them to flex their financial muscles, until now.

Majority of Singaporeans come in, buy 1-2 units and thats it. Its investing firms from Sri Lanka, etc that have actually bought in bulk and then resold to Singaporeans/Johoreans/Other Nationalities.

I know as i bought more than 2 units from this group. I still maintain the statement i made from the very first day, buy for own stay first. Always only invest what you can afford to lose.

There are actually still a variety of housing options for the locals be it low cost, medium cost housing, etc as well as other options from the resale market. Rent remains relatively low for most types of housing and there are many parts of Johore which are still much lower in terms of pricing so there are much more options here.

I have some friends who are struggling with the many requests from well heeled friends/business associates from China who are starting to come in droves here. I myself have stopped entertaining requests from friends especially those who are here to just invest. I still hope prices remain low enough for my laggard sister and other relatives and friends to buy and retire here.

[wuqi256]

Hi Wuqi, you mentioned your wife is pregnant. I read somewhere that woman more than 6 months pregnant are not allowed to enter Malaysia. Is it true? If it's true, does it mean your wife have to stay in SG in her last 3 months of pregnancy to give birth?

This is mainly for air travel as most countries have that restriction especially for air travel.
My wife is more than 6 months now.

We are driving across a bridge, so far my other friends have done the same.

[wuqi256]

Bro, u have summed it all up.

Pertaining to laguna, this is the latest I heard. 2 different local families snapped up 2 corners units that cost more than 800k. The land size is humongous tho ... So there are indeed a lot of affluent locals, it's only a matter of wether they wanna show their muscles and their lean six packs :)

Some people are mistaken and blaming Singaporeans for nothing, there are so many restrictions for foreigners to buy houses here. Some misinformed friends were complaining about some houses being snapped up recently that were 400k terraces. I politely informed them that Singaporeans and other foreigners cannot buy houses below 500k and below 2 storeys but few were convinced until i showed them some print outs. Seems alot of people still think Johoreans are poor generally, i should not share too much in terms of friends privacy but more than a few owners of multiple properties in good development are locals.

On average, out of every 10 PMs i receive for help, 3-4 are from Singaporeans, 5 are from Malaysia (not only from Johore) and the rest from other nationalities including foreigners residing in Singapore. Out of the max of 4 from Singapore, at least 2 are asking for retirement or living frugally/renting. They are not even thinking of buying as some still cannot afford to. The rest are all asking for which areas to invest in or other topics. I make it a point to answer the retirement/help/living frugally/renting first whenever i can. Investment wise, i will usually reply when the first batch is cleared (my apologies to bros who PMed me, my priority is those who are in need first)

I have also seen locals and Johoreans buying cars, houses and commercial lots like nobodys business, i think their time has come, pretty impressed.

[DREAMorACTION]

Yes, noted the 500k threshold. But bro, don't forget that for those non-landed properties on commercial title, 500k threshold doesn't actually apply (unless I have understood wrongly from the sales agent).


Some people are mistaken and blaming Singaporeans for nothing, there are so many restrictions for foreigners to buy houses here. Some misinformed friends were complaining about some houses being snapped up recently that were 400k terraces. I politely informed them that Singaporeans and other foreigners cannot buy houses below 500k and below 2 storeys but few were convinced until i showed them some print outs. Seems alot of people still think Johoreans are poor generally, i should not share too much in terms of friends privacy but more than a few owners of multiple properties in good development are locals.

On average, out of every 10 PMs i receive for help, 3-4 are from Singaporeans, 5 are from Malaysia (not only from Johore) and the rest from other nationalities including foreigners residing in Singapore. Out of the max of 4 from Singapore, at least 2 are asking for retirement or living frugally/renting. They are not even thinking of buying as some still cannot afford to. The rest are all asking for which areas to invest in or other topics. I make it a point to answer the retirement/help/living frugally/renting first whenever i can. Investment wise, i will usually reply when the first batch is cleared (my apologies to bros who PMed me, my priority is those who are in need first)

I have also seen locals and Johoreans buying cars, houses and commercial lots like nobodys business, i think their time has come, pretty impressed.

[wuqi256]

All thanks to the frenzied buying tats happening in Nusajaya. Kiasu Sillyporeans and Msians working in Spore...

Whoami, actually not a lot of Singaporeans ask about investing here, mainly for own stay. Only a few actually asks me of investment here.
Again its not only Singaporeans nor just Malaysians working in Singapore. Those moving out to stay for the schools, retirement as
well as internal investors are also getting properties which Singaporeans cannot buy.

[wuqi256]

Yes, noted the 500k threshold. But bro, don't forget that for those non-landed properties on commercial title, 500k threshold doesn't actually apply (unless I have understood wrongly from the sales agent).

Bro Dreamoraction, i have tried to buy them before but was told directly (and rather rudely) that i cannot buy even for condos.
Those who informed you otherwise may be mistaken. This is as if this was true, yours truly would have bought an entire floor and
named it the Wuqi floor already. :(

[DREAMorACTION]

Yup, I didn't verify further but that's what I was told. But thinking about it, the law governs the residential title. Service apartment is on commercial title, so this is a loop hole right? Unless commercial also has the same threshold of 500k?

Condos are definitely on residential title so the threshold definitely applies...


Bro Dreamoraction, i have tried to buy them before but was told directly (and rather rudely) that i cannot buy even for condos.
Those who informed you otherwise may be mistaken. This is as if this was true, yours truly would have bought an entire floor and
named it the Wuqi floor already. :(

[wuqi256]

Exactly. Take for example a fresh graduate and a normal professional with 5-10years work experience working in JB. Salary for fresh graduate is around 2.5~3.0K. For those with 5-10years experience, they may be drawing around 4K~6K.

Do you think they can afford buying property with price around 700K above? Don't say 700K, even 500K is consider very high for those working in JB. You still have your family and kids to feed, other expenses, etc. You can't dump in 70% of your monthly income into the installment.

So, what Whoami said is VERY TRUE. Malaysians working in Spore and Singaporean's buying causes the price to increase drastically. I was told by one of my friend that 70% of the residents in Horizon Hills are Singaporean. If we can think rasionally, all these will not happen. What if one day Iskandar development and Nusajaya fail? What will happen? Look at Cyberjaya, the so called Silicon valley of Malaysia visioned by Dr. Mahathir. What happened to it now?

Let us hope that this Iskandar thingy is a success in the near future.

Agree but not all locals will want to get a 700k place as they have loads of options as i already mentioned. There are still under 500k houses like Setia Tropika that are 400k plus which Singaporeans AND other locals cannot buy.

Rationally, its not just foreigners buying/snapping up houses. There are well heeled Malaysians that are more affluent then we were led to believe, Malaysia does not consist of just Johore as well as they do have people from other states buying into Johore. There are plenty of other developments that have the 20% foreigners rule. Agree about Putrajaya/Cyberjaya but these had no real contribution or vested interests from neighbouring and not so neighbouring countries....

I would still suggest to buy for own stay but whether it succeeds or fail, it won't really affect me as i am here not for the money, if it was purely money i was after, 3 years plus back, i would have made more if i bought a condo or a landed in cash in SG(back when curiously landed was cheaper than some condos).

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searchresult.aspx?t=S&gpt=AR&st=JO&ct=&k=johore&pt=&mp=&xp=&mbr=&xbr=&mbu=&xbu=&lo=&wp=&wv=&wa=&ht=&au=&sby=&ns=1

[DREAMorACTION]

Oh ok, I have the answer. So the agent gave me wrong info then, derrrrr

"Under the new guidelines effective 30 June 2009, FIC will only process transactions involving the dilution of Bumiputera interests and / or Government interests in properties valued at RM 20 million and above, whether bought directly or indirectly (through acquisition of companies owning properties). All other property transactions shall no longer require the approval of FIC.
Except in the event of a dilution, as stated above, foreign interests will no longer be required to apply for approval to FIC for the acquisition of properties. However, foreign interests cannot acquire properties below specified threshold limits. The threshold amounts for commercial properties will be RM 500,000. For the purchase of residential properties, the present threshold of RM 250,000 is maintained until the end of 2009, and with effect 1 January 2010, it will be RM 500,000"

[wuqi256]

No worries bro Dreamoraction, we are all here to learn, doesn't matter who is right or wrong as long as everyone knows the facts in the end. Too much of muddling in this world. Still remembered even the local HSBC told so many folks and forummers here that they can't get loans for houses, commercial, cars, etc. Maybe they have too much money and don't want to make? Back when they first came out here, also got agents still claiming can buy below 500k, some made my folks run around in circles as people thought agents should have the most up to date/accurate facts.

Cheers

[Diaspora]

Bro, impact will be those PRs that stays in JB but work in SG, coz SPR cannot drive MY registered cars in SG..
Also those SG businessmen that need to travel to JB on a daily basis, eg hv factory there or salesmen need to go JB to meet client..,
I know some of these ppl go thru like a couple of times a day!
Can't imagine, will be a real pain:mad: for these group of ppl.

I see another impact would be businesses will be factoring in these cost and prices of things may go up...both side of the causeway!:*: thou not a lot lah! Then again never know!!

Also bros, IF the MY gov charge SG registered cars, then what about the SG CIQ? Also charge SG registered cars only and all MY registered cars o need to pay? Or charge on MY registered cars? Tit for a tat!!

If this is really the case, I believe a lot of ppl will be screwed... Local and foreign alike...
On the other hand, will it be a smoother ride to Jb? :D


Bro, you did have a valid querry...wonder how the SG side will response if MY is to really increase the toll for SG registered vehicles. But I believe at the end of the day, prices of goods coming from MY will be increased due to this toll increase. Heck, even those bus kilang / taxi will be increasing their fares...
This is indeed stupid. There is no improvement to the causeway, so why the need to increase the toll on both sides?? Charge those who uses the EDL la...and not all the others. This is really trying to milk the cow too hard !!

[DREAMorACTION]

Yeah bro. Thanks. But I got that info from setia when I was looking at ST. The unit that I looked at was above 500k, but I remember we talked about this, and he said foreigners can buy below 500k as it was commercial title. Anyway, cleared the air now, and it doesn't matter because I didn't go ahead in the end.

Btw, talking about HSBC, they are aggressive now. They are now willing to process loan request without even the need to submit an application form (well, for my case anyway). I only submitted some documents and they approved. However, if one has no fixed income, they still won't lend money by pledging FD. Other international banks do. So HSBC is still losing out on this ...


No worries bro Dreamoraction, we are all here to learn, doesn't matter who is right or wrong as long as everyone knows the facts in the end. Too much of muddling in this world. Still remembered even the local HSBC told so many folks and forummers here that they can't get loans for houses, commercial, cars, etc. Maybe they have too much money and don't want to make? Back when they first came out here, also got agents still claiming can buy below 500k, some made my folks run around in circles as people thought agents should have the most up to date/accurate facts.

Cheers

[ginfreely]

Tonight have some drinks and a bit drunk.
Spoke to a china national of 20 years. His first visit to Singapore. He thought Singapore is a heaven until he saw many old Singaporeans cleaning tables and asked me why, because all old folks in china will be given some pensions in one way or another..
Also spoke to some Singtel folks. 500 old Singtel staffs were transferred to a company called Huawei. After seeing MPs and ministers, the agreement is those above worked for Singtel more than 25 years will be given 3.5 months severance pay. Huawei will promise them no retrenchment within 1 year. After that their employability is subjected to performance. Huawei have big supply of workers and they absorb these workers because of relationship with Singtel. Basically Singtel are asking Huawei to ex these folks rather than paying them 1 year 1 month severance, for their own KPI at the excuse of working for shareholder which is mainly Temasek.. I don't mind give away my Singtel share to keep their job..

What has Singapore become, just a money churning machines for shareholders? Every countries will take care of their people. I am not talking about Greece or the PIGs because a lot of rich folks are not paying taxes..

Malaysia is always ready to suck Singaporean.. Where can we go? What the hell has our country become?

I am high.. But when see the old folks cleaning tables in golden shoes, I am glad that some one still willing to give them a job.. I am sad that if we don't take care of ourselves, we could become like them..just to survive and live in this country.. Maybe some of these old folks are graduates without jobs..

Worked more than 25 years only can get 3.5 months severance pay? That is little, last time I heard Singtel people who got golden handshake being paid one month for one year service.

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, have u seen the article where the MP of Johor claimed that even the existing causeway tolls shouldn't had been in place in the first place?


Bro, you did have a valid querry...wonder how the SG side will response if MY is to really increase the toll for SG registered vehicles. But I believe at the end of the day, prices of goods coming from MY will be increased due to this toll increase. Heck, even those bus kilang / taxi will be increasing their fares...
This is indeed stupid. There is no improvement to the causeway, so why the need to increase the toll on both sides?? Charge those who uses the EDL la...and not all the others. This is really trying to milk the cow too hard !!

[avalon74]

I went to Setia Eco Garden today and there was a few terrace units from the older precincts that are opened up for sale to international buyers. The sale price was also based on the original package with a discount from the offer price and various fees absorbed (MOT, loan, legal)

I had a look at the Liviana (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-liviana.htm) on site where 2 corner units were available with nice 30-ft space for a garden. They were OK and would have committed to one of them. But I asked if there was anything else open to foriegners.

I was told there is a corner (last) unit of the Alphenor (http://www.spsetia.com.my/setia_eco_garden/property-for-sale-alphenor.htm) that is also available and immediately asked to have a look. Although it is North facing and subject to afternoon sun, the view is great. It also has about 25-ft space for a nice garden. Anyway, this unit is now no longer available because I had signed the booking form :-) Signing of SPA will be in a month's time which is great as that will likely be before any increase in the government levy that looks to be quite certain according to the sales folks from SP Setia.

Hi EDTBA,
So how much did you pay for your corner unit of Alphenor? I am in Casea Gardens which is the precinct opposite yours.
Alphneor looks to be ready for key collection in few months time.. congrats & looking fwd to cya around.. (though I am a weekender =)

For now, how abt an evening shot at the lake within the estate..
4239

[wuqi256]

Ok, just got an update from the good bros, from recent trends shared by a very learned bro and todays roadshow in SG, seems the Chinese are really coming in big time to properties here.

Again, treat this news as just for reference, buy mainly for own use and go for developers as much as possible.
FYI from a learned bro.

Bro!

Past performance is not an accurate indication of future results. Their govt now encouraging and restarting many failed or unsold developments as well clamping down and hard on developers that left past buyers in the lurch. This was never seen before, someone is clearly working up there.

[DREAMorACTION]

Here is the article

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2012/3/7/southneast/10822022&sec=southneast


Bro, have u seen the article where the MP of Johor claimed that even the existing causeway tolls shouldn't had been in place in the first place?

[avalon74]

congrats bro on taking your first step towards an alternate but more liberating lifestyle. I would have assumed you have done all your homework bro cos SEG is located quite far in. That said, its truly a nice place with tons of greenery and fresh air.

cheers.

Bro,
Thats one reason why I chose Eco Gardens instead of Bukit Indah during 2009....
Though the traveling time to BI is a chore.. (10 mins drive)
Hope it feels the same way 10 yrs on..

[DREAMorACTION]

Wow, such is life!! No longer a hole with no views ... So relaxing.... Nice!!


Hi EDTBA,
So how much did you pay for your corner unit of Alphenor? I am in Casea Gardens which is the precinct opposite yours.
Alphneor looks to be ready for key collection in few months time.. congrats & looking fwd to cya around.. (though I am a weekender =)

For now, how abt an evening shot at the lake within the estate..
4239

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, I wonder if u know how much their landed terrace cost in china, maybe in a Psf basis? Is there no more room to them to invest in their own country? Sorry, I know nuts about china market ...


Ok, just got an update from the good bros, from recent trends shared by a very learned bro and todays roadshow in SG, seems the Chinese are really coming in big time to properties here. Again, treat this news as just for reference, buy mainly for own use and go for developers as much as possible.

[wuqi256]

Bro,
Thats one reason why I chose Eco Gardens instead of Bukit Indah during 2009....
Though the traveling time to BI is a chore.. (10 mins drive)
Hope it feels the same way 10 yrs on..

Good for you and i sincerely hope it will remain great for you. One of the mechanics here wanted to buy there in the past but shared with me his findings.
If not for him, probably i would have bought 1 just to diversify back then.

[wuqi256]

Bro, I wonder if I know how much their landed terrace cost in china, maybe in a Psf basis?

Depends on which tier city.

According to my learned friends, those who are coming are either the first 2 with minority in the 3rd:

1. Park their money somewhere safe when things implode over there.
2. Rich investors who are diversifying their investments
3. People running away with "black" money

[Diaspora]

Here is the article

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2012/3/7/southneast/10822022&sec=southneast

This JB MP, Shahrir Abdul Samad is a maverick MP...but I doubt it will lead to any thing big...Toll will still be collected at the CIQ...Otherwise, how to finance the the cronies....At the end of the day, he will still have to toethe line or be dropped as a candidate for the next GE...

Somehow, this EDL thing is just not major yet...

Look at this FB page...http://www.facebook.com/pages/100000-malaysian-say-NO-to-EDL-must-pay-toll-at-CIQ-JB/236918386394315 not even 50 'likes'...hahaha....

Maybe it will be left to the 'minorities' to 'take charge'...
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ka-siong-chased-out-by-hostile-rally/
Sigh~~~~~~~~~

[avalon74]

Wow, such is life!! No longer a hole with no views ... So relaxing.... Nice!!

Paiseh.. not view of my home.. haha
shot taken from the common garden of the estate..
Still have not explored the entire garden, one of these dayz will visit the bird santuary area which is quite deep in..

[DREAMorACTION]

So another NATO with no real power? Then no hope Liao ....


This JB MP, Shahrir Abdul Samad is a maverick MP...but I doubt it will lead to any thing big...Toll will still be collected at the CIQ...Otherwise, how to finance the the cronies....At the end of the day, he will still have to toethe line or be dropped as a candidate for the next GE...

Somehow, this EDL thing is just not major yet...

Look at this FB page...http://www.facebook.com/pages/100000-malaysian-say-NO-to-EDL-must-pay-toll-at-CIQ-JB/236918386394315 not even 50 'likes'...hahaha....

Maybe it will be left to the 'minorities' to 'take charge'...
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ka-siong-chased-out-by-hostile-rally/
Sigh~~~~~~~~~

[avalon74]

Good for you and i sincerely hope it will remain great for you. One of the mechanics here wanted to buy there in the past but shared with me his findings.
If not for him, probably i would have bought 1 just to diversify back then.

I do have my fair complaints abt the developer Setia which I posted..
However my family & myself really enjoys the trips to SEG..

Too bad I din visit HH in 2009.. else I might up up buying HH instead.. haha

[DREAMorACTION]

Sounds exciting indeed. I love birds. I had lovebirds (parrot) and budgies before ... They were tamed and so adorable to play with. But lovebirds could be a bit vocal at times, especially when they want attention ...


Paiseh.. not view of my home.. haha
shot taken from the common garden of the estate..
Still have not explored the entire garden, one of these dayz will visit the bird santuary area which is quite deep in..

[wuqi256]

Yeah bro. Thanks. But I got that info from setia when I was looking at ST. The unit that I looked at was above 500k, but I remember we talked about this, and he said foreigners can buy below 500k as it was commercial title. Anyway, cleared the air now, and it doesn't matter because I didn't go ahead in the end.

Btw, talking about HSBC, they are aggressive now. They are now willing to process loan request without even the need to submit an application form (well, for my case anyway). I only submitted some documents and they approved. However, if one has no fixed income, they still won't lend money by pledging FD. Other international banks do. So HSBC is still losing out on this ...

Bro, until last year, i still had people claiming that they were told by agents/banks that they can buy that 300k house or 250k condo. It will still be subject to the rules from FIC in the end.

Ok wow, good to know, finally tying their own shoelaces.

Still remembered, the worst bank that ever treated me was Public Bank when the teller pushed all the money over the counter and i had to pick up one by one. I didn't give up and still kept smiling, went upstairs to the chap in charge of my account. He apologised profusely, made a couple of agitated calls. I then went down and was served by the same teller only she was smiling now, would you like an ATM card with this account? Of course, when they give good rates, i still ask my friends to go to them no matter what bank treated me badly.

For car loans, from the bros here, the best is Ambank as they are very forgiving even if you are late.
For housing loans, from my learned friends it turns out to be Maybank as they are willing to re-neg the
terms rather than send you to the dogs the minute you are in trouble.

[wuqi256]

I do have my fair complaints abt the developer Setia which I posted..
However my family & myself really enjoys the trips to SEG..

Too bad I din visit HH in 2009.. else I might up up buying HH instead.. haha

Thanks avalon74, this forum was never about HH but about choices and options. For example if you get EL, i will be equally elated for you.

Every developer has its own issues, just some more than the others. If not for some bad apples spoiling the crate, i would have bought back then. (Case in point, not naming any developer. Someone promised their client something, client bought but on S&P signing told that all the goodies they were promised actually expired before they signed... Another one, they said they cannot cover the terms promised as there were no company stamp on the doc) These and other unpublished issues slowly eroded what i thought was a solid developer. So for those closest to me, i will do my best to get them to buy something else.

It doesn't matter where as long as its a reasonable place with good consideration for safety and serenity, everything else is a bonus.

Bros and sisters here, no development is perfect. Remember you can always change the internals to suit all your personal needs but you can never really change what is external. Proximity to undesirable areas or facilities etc

[wuqi256]

Sounds exciting indeed. I love birds. I had lovebirds (parrot) and budgies before ... They were tamed and so adorable to play with. But lovebirds could be a bit vocal at times, especially when they want attention ...

Of course, some guys are vocal too, when its about the bird. ;)

Bird is the word! :D
http://youtu.be/2WNrx2jq184

[DREAMorACTION]

I see ... Here is my ranking for the banks, just based on the criterion of customer service alone. Not talking about loan packages.

1) hong Leong and Citibank - equal at first place
2) cimb
3) UOB
4) rhb
5) alliance
6) may bank
7) HSBC

Hsbc is being ranked last despite their improvement, because they do play difficulty at times, and they don't go the extra mile like meeting up in Sg to deliver documents or signing documents etc.


Bro, until last year, i still had people claiming that they were told by agents/banks that they can buy that 300k house or 250k condo. It will still be subject to the rules from FIC in the end.

Ok wow, good to know, finally tying their own shoelaces.

Still remembered, the worst bank that ever treated me was Public Bank when the teller pushed all the money over the counter and i had to pick up one by one. I didn't give up and still kept smiling, went upstairs to the chap in charge of my account. He apologised profusely, made a couple of agitated calls. I then went down and was served by the same teller only she was smiling now, would you like an ATM card with this account? Of course, when they give good rates, i still ask my friends to go to them no matter what bank treated me badly.

For car loans, from the bros here, the best is Ambank as they are very forgiving even if you are late.
For housing loans, from my learned friends it turns out to be Maybank as they are willing to re-neg the
terms rather than send you to the dogs the minute you are in trouble.

[wuqi256]

I see ... Here is my ranking for the banks, just based on the criterion of customer service alone. Not talking about loan packages.

1) hong Leong and Citibank - equal at first place
2) cimb
3) UOB
4) rhb
5) alliance
6) may bank
7) HSBC

Hsbc is being ranked last despite their improvement, because they do play difficulty at times, and they don't go the extra mile like meeting up in Sg to deliver documents or signing documents etc.

Thanks Alliance, SCB and UOB ranks the lowest for me, some in part because of their arrogance or tardiness.
Despite the poor experience with PPB, they rank the same as HLB for me. By the way, heard Kate just moved
to OCBC. Alliance though has soften their stance on taking on accounts on deposits.

[DREAMorACTION]

Hahahhahahah. Cracked me up. He must had forgotten to take medicines lol



Of course, some guys are vocal too, when its about the bird. ;)

Bird is the word! :D
http://youtu.be/2WNrx2jq184

[checkers]

I see ... Here is my ranking for the banks, just based on the criterion of customer service alone. Not talking about loan packages.

1) hong Leong and Citibank - equal at first place
2) cimb
3) UOB
4) rhb
5) alliance
6) may bank
7) HSBC

Hsbc is being ranked last despite their improvement, because they do play difficulty at times, and they don't go the extra mile like meeting up in Sg to deliver documents or signing documents etc.

Hsbc loan officers do come over to singapore , their svc is good but disbursement of loan may not be as efficient as local banks - that's what I heard :)

[avalon74]

Bros and sisters here, no development is perfect. Remember you can always change the internals to suit all your personal needs but you can never really change what is external. Proximity to undesirable areas or facilities etc

Well said & totally agree..
Hope the new shophouses in estate will offer some breakfast options in future..

[Lord Aragorn]

Question - Does any developers sell land only without houses? Are Sgps allowed to buy land only?

Leisure Farm sells land to foreigners.

[Lord Aragorn]

This is mainly for air travel as most countries have that restriction especially for air travel.
My wife is more than 6 months now.

We are driving across a bridge, so far my other friends have done the same.

Thanks for the reply. Don't mind me asking. Is your gynae in SG? Would it be difficult to time the delivery from across the causeway? [you don't have to reply if it's too sensitive]

[nickyu]

Hsbc loan officers do come over to singapore , their svc is good but disbursement of loan may not be as efficient as local banks - that's what I heard :)

Actually the HSBC banker handling my loan did offer to come to Sg to settle my loan stuffs. You can try RHB bank as well as they gave me the best overall package..

[Polymin]

SG passport cannot, if a new passport is issued, then you have to use the MACS. I did have a bro who used his old MACS sticker on his new passport, just tear off and use double sided tape. To be safest though, just get new MACS with the new passport.

FYI - you can even apply macs at Jusco bukit Indah. They have a counter in between Lavender and Jusco. Hope this helps.

[sgtsk]

Bro, I wonder if u know how much their landed terrace cost in china, maybe in a Psf basis? Is there no more room to them to invest in their own country? Sorry, I know nuts about china market ...

I read that investors from China are big and conspicuous investors particularly in Canada, Australia, Dubai and Singapore. If Malaysia and Singapore could offer them good opportunities and make them feel welcome, I would think it is more natural for them to invest in Malaysia and Singapore also. After all both countries are nearer and have large Chinese population.

[wuqi256]

Thanks for the reply. Don't mind me asking. Is your gynae in SG? Would it be difficult to time the delivery from across the causeway? [you don't have to reply if it's too sensitive]

Not difficult, rest is P&C my apologies.

[wuqi256]

Well said & totally agree..
Hope the new shophouses in estate will offer some breakfast options in future..

I am pretty sure they will, all it needs is some enterprising chaps. :)

[wuqi256]

Leisure Farm sells land to foreigners.

Thanks for sharing Leisure Farm and Ledang Heights both do if i recall correctly.

[wuqi256]

Just sharing a song before going to bed.
Still inspiring to me. :)

http://youtu.be/x11NA63gLDM

[lonelysin]

Hi bro wuqi,

Just to clarify, I thought for Singaporean and SPR, we are only allowed to drive SG car into Singapore and not MY car?



Seems until today still have a lot of questions that were answered earlier, bros you can definitely drive a MY car using SG or even better, an international license. (Get this license from SG as its cheaper there)

[lonelysin]

I've been to ST. If you compare setia tropika and bukit indah, I would say most of people prefer bukit indah as the infrastructure there are better. I myself prefer bukit indah. It's the feel and the environment.



Yeah bro. Thanks. But I got that info from setia when I was looking at ST. The unit that I looked at was above 500k, but I remember we talked about this, and he said foreigners can buy below 500k as it was commercial title. Anyway, cleared the air now, and it doesn't matter because I didn't go ahead in the end.

Btw, talking about HSBC, they are aggressive now. They are now willing to process loan request without even the need to submit an application form (well, for my case anyway). I only submitted some documents and they approved. However, if one has no fixed income, they still won't lend money by pledging FD. Other international banks do. So HSBC is still losing out on this ...

[wuqi256]

Hi lonelysin, I was referring to questions about driving in MY with Malaysian car. Still got this question twice last week. Only way to go into SG with MY car is with a hired chauffer or unless you have special permission from LTA in advance.

[wuqi256]

I've been to ST. If you compare setia tropika and bukit indah, I would say most of people prefer bukit indah as the infrastructure there are better. I myself prefer bukit indah. It's the feel and the environment.

ST is actually pretty ok but just that traffic can be bad on weekends.

[lonelysin]

Thanks for the clarification bro wuqi. :)


Hi lonelysin, I was referring to questions about driving in MY with Malaysian car. Still got this question twice last week. Only way to go into SG with MY car is with a hired chauffer or unless you have special permission from LTA in advance.

[lonelysin]

Some stories I heard about Laguna. Maybe some bro's here can verify. The quality of first phase houses build are not up to standards. e.g. Floor tiles are not even.

Laguna design is big. 24 x 80. One needs to pass through some native kampung before reaching Laguna. In terms of location of course Laguna is nearer to causeway compared to setia tropika and bukit indah. In terms of convenience e.g. food, transportation, infrastructure of course nusajaya area is better.

I have alot of malaysian friends, one is working as a manager in a factory in jb for 10 years. he's currently drawing 7K/month. a 500K house is a burden to him as he has a family to feed. Imagine besides housing installment, there's university fees for the childrens, petrol and toll, food, etc. Not easy as what he mentioned.

Another one is a fresh grad with 2 years work experience drawing only 3K/month. Single person. After deducting CPF and tax monthly income is 2.6K. Needs to pay for car installment 600, study loan 400, petrol and toll 400, food 500, entertainment etc 300...all gone. no savings. still staying with parents. Unable to buy a house in nusajaya. Sad but true. Majority of the normal and average malaysians cannot afford to buy.

I will still stick to my personal opinion that those rich malaysian tycoons, businessman, datuks and those working in singaporean are the ones that can afford buying a property in Nusajaya area.




Bro, u have summed it all up.

Pertaining to laguna, this is the latest I heard. 2 different local families snapped up 2 corners units that cost more than 800k each. The land size is humongous tho ... So there are indeed a lot of affluent locals, it's only a matter of whether they wanna show their muscles, their lean six packs and their toned pecs :)

[wuqi256]

Some stories I heard about Laguna. Maybe some bro's here can verify. The quality of first phase houses build are not up to standards. e.g. Floor tiles are not even.

Laguna design is big. 24 x 80. One needs to pass through some native kampung before reaching Laguna. In terms of location of course Laguna is nearer to causeway compared to setia tropika and bukit indah. In terms of convenience e.g. food, transportation, infrastructure of course nusajaya area is better.

I have alot of malaysian friends, one is working as a manager in a factory in jb for 10 years. he's currently drawing 7K/month. a 500K house is a burden to him as he has a family to feed. Imagine besides housing installment, there's university fees for the childrens, petrol and toll, food, etc. Not easy as what he mentioned.

Another one is a fresh grad with 2 years work experience drawing only 3K/month. Single person. After deducting CPF and tax monthly income is 2.6K. Needs to pay for car installment 600, study loan 400, petrol and toll 400, food 500, entertainment etc 300...all gone. no savings. still staying with parents. Unable to buy a house in nusajaya. Sad but true. Majority of the normal and average malaysians cannot afford to buy.

I will still stick to my personal opinion that those rich malaysian tycoons, businessman, datuks and those working in singaporean are the ones that can afford buying a property in Nusajaya area.

You are well entitled to your personal opinion. :)
Here are some of mine, based on what little i know:

Some of those renting at highest prices or buying the most are from KL/Penang apparently and some are actually working in projects for Johore.
There is also a group set up to looking into building/buying properties from China. They have been active for the past 1-2 years.

There were also more than 100 units in HH that were bought by companies from Sri Lanka, companies like Lankasia for example.

Laguna had some early problems to be sure, my very early postings already talked about the issues it had back then. Have you been to Laguna recently? Danga has bought up most of the land all around Laguna, there has been a lot of changes and more incoming changes to that area has been planned.

I have posted some housing website about the prices in Nusajaya, for the benefit of yourself and your local friends, here it is again. There are still quite a few properties way below the 500k mark (look below the rental units on top) that is in Bukit Indah (Nusajaya).

One is even below 250k and i am not even talking about low cost or medium cost housing for which there are still units available.
This site is taken from iproperty.com.my:

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searchresult.aspx?t=S&gpt=AR&st=JO&ct=Nusajaya&k=&pt=&mp=&xp=&mbr=&xbr=&mbu=&xbu=&lo=&wp=&wv=&wa=&ht=&au=&ns=1&sby=ap

Bukit Indah, NusajayaRM 225,000
11 Photos2-sty Terrace/Link House : 4 | 3


Furnishing: Unfurnished
Posted Date : 05/03/2012



Agent: Cherrie TanClick for Phone number


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TAMAN BUKIT INDAH, NusajayaRM 260,000
7 Photos1-sty Terrace/Link House : 3 | 2


Posted Date : 05/03/2012



Agent: CY TanClick for Phone number


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NusajayaRM 270,000
1-sty Terrace/Link House


Posted Date : 11/01/2012



Agent: sima propertiesClick for Phone number

[wuqi256]

Some stories I heard about Laguna. Maybe some bro's here can verify. The quality of first phase houses build are not up to standards. e.g. Floor tiles are not even.

Laguna design is big. 24 x 80. One needs to pass through some native kampung before reaching Laguna. In terms of location of course Laguna is nearer to causeway compared to setia tropika and bukit indah. In terms of convenience e.g. food, transportation, infrastructure of course nusajaya area is better.

I have alot of malaysian friends, one is working as a manager in a factory in jb for 10 years. he's currently drawing 7K/month. a 500K house is a burden to him as he has a family to feed. Imagine besides housing installment, there's university fees for the childrens, petrol and toll, food, etc. Not easy as what he mentioned.

Another one is a fresh grad with 2 years work experience drawing only 3K/month. Single person. After deducting CPF and tax monthly income is 2.6K. Needs to pay for car installment 600, study loan 400, petrol and toll 400, food 500, entertainment etc 300...all gone. no savings. still staying with parents. Unable to buy a house in nusajaya. Sad but true. Majority of the normal and average malaysians cannot afford to buy.

I will still stick to my personal opinion that those rich malaysian tycoons, businessman, datuks and those working in singaporean are the ones that can afford buying a property in Nusajaya area.


More information and choices, please help to direct them to these sites as sub 500k properties which are not open to foreigners are still available.

http://tophills.com.my/Property.aspx?State=JH&Purpose=1&Category=R&PropertyType=0&LotType=0&PriceMax=0&PriceMin=10000000&Keyword=nusajaya

[wuqi256]

More like these which definitely foreigners cannot buy since 2 years back.

These in Nusajaya are still below 500k today which foreigners still cannot buy:
http://www.tophills.com.my/Real-Estate/BUKIT-INDAH/House-2-Storey/Property-2012020251.aspx

If 400k too expensive, still have double storey one at: 335k
http://www.tophills.com.my/Real-Estate/BUKIT-INDAH/House-2-Storey/Property-2012030080.aspx

Below 300k:
http://www.tophills.com.my/Real-Estate/BUKIT-INDAH/House-2-Storey/Property-2012030133.aspx

Single storey at below 200k
http://www.tophills.com.my/Real-Estate/NUSA-BESTARI-2/House-1-storey/Property-2012020259.aspx

These listed are agent prices, there must be still other cheaper options if a foreigner can find these information so easily.

If those who say they don't/cannot use internet, public banks have auctions/foreclosure choices and
regular launches of properties are still distributed by pamplets in major shopping areas.

[wuqi256]

More options for below 500k:
http://www.homeguru.com.my/property-for-sale?listing_type=sale&search_type=district&property_type=&region_code=MY01&districts%5B%5D=JH055&latitude=&longitude=&interest=&hdb_type_group=&minprice=&maxprice=500000&minbed=&maxbed=&minsize=&maxsize=&minsize_land=&maxsize_land=&freetext=&minpsf=&maxpsf=&listing_posted=&mintop=&maxtop=&sort=&order=&min_latitude=&max_latitude=&min_longitude=&max_longitude=&submit=

More sites:
http://www.johorproperty.com/view_property_sale.asp

Auction of houses:
http://www.auctions.com.my/

[iamapseudoneem]

Not sure if anyone has replied to you but you can check out the Nusa Idaman website at: http://nusaidaman.com/
Their sales office is off the T-junction within the taman.


dear all,

i am new to this forum and looking forward to purchasing a home in Nusajaya. Have gone through this thread and seems like NI & HH are the only possibilities. Although manage to find details regarding HH, but couldnt locate any wesite related to NI. Seeking advice from the experts here to let me know where is the Nusa Idaman sales office and how it can be reached from Singapore or from bukit indah. unable to find any website related to Nusa Idaman project details.

cheers!
homeinjb

[wuqi256]

Not sure if anyone has replied to you but you can check out the Nusa Idaman website at: http://nusaidaman.com/
Their sales office is off the T-junction within the taman.

Thanks for helping with this. Yes lots to choose from other than NI or HH, really depends on what one wants. :)
www.iproperty.com.my is a good place to search, do a search for all houses in Nusaya and the slowly narrow it down. :)

[EDTBA]

Hi EDTBA,
So how much did you pay for your corner unit of Alphenor? I am in Casea Gardens which is the precinct opposite yours.
Alphneor looks to be ready for key collection in few months time.. congrats & looking fwd to cya around.. (though I am a weekender =)

For now, how abt an evening shot at the lake within the estate..
4239


Hello avalon74,

The offer price was MYR589,000 for my unit. All the promotional discounts and fees absorbtion during the launch last year applied, so all in all, I think it was a fair deal. I was told the Alphenor handover will be around this time next year as the external works are still on-going.

Thanks for the pic, I look forward to enjoy such scenery in person :-) And yes, I look forward to meeting up with fellow residents at SEG. in the near future.

Cheers.

[lonelysin]

Hi brother wuqi,

Thanks for the below info. The property listed below are definitely below 500k. This also depends on the criteria for locals.

I got to know about HH units being bought my companies from Sri Lanka and they are currently renting it out. From time to time they will try to sell some of the units off. That is what I'm told by one of the agent few weeks back.

Before buying a property, one needs to consider few options.
1. Must be gated and guarded.
2. Convenient, near to public amenities e.g. transportations, banks, shopping complex, restaurant, shops.
3. Easy accessibility.
4. House size, build up and land area.
5. Community around.
6. Freehold or Leasehold

A very good example is cluster in bkt indah. If i'm not mistaken they are selling it at 888K and for the cluster in mutiara mas, they are selling at 550K++. A difference in price of 200-300K. That is alot for local malaysians.






You are well entitled to your personal opinion. :)
Here are some of mine, based on what little i know:

Some of those renting at highest prices or buying the most are from KL/Penang apparently and some are actually working in projects for Johore.
There is also a group set up to looking into building/buying properties from China. They have been active for the past 1-2 years.

There were also more than 100 units in HH that were bought by companies from Sri Lanka, companies like Lankasia for example.

Laguna had some early problems to be sure, my very early postings already talked about the issues it had back then. Have you been to Laguna recently? Danga has bought up most of the land all around Laguna, there has been a lot of changes and more incoming changes to that area has been planned.

I have posted some housing website about the prices in Nusajaya, for the benefit of yourself and your local friends, here it is again. There are still quite a few properties way below the 500k mark (look below the rental units on top) that is in Bukit Indah (Nusajaya).

One is even below 250k and i am not even talking about low cost or medium cost housing for which there are still units available.
This site is taken from iproperty.com.my:

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searchresult.aspx?t=S&gpt=AR&st=JO&ct=Nusajaya&k=&pt=&mp=&xp=&mbr=&xbr=&mbu=&xbu=&lo=&wp=&wv=&wa=&ht=&au=&ns=1&sby=ap

Bukit Indah, NusajayaRM 225,000
11 Photos2-sty Terrace/Link House : 4 | 3


Furnishing: Unfurnished
Posted Date : 05/03/2012



Agent: Cherrie TanClick for Phone number


Map Directions

View Details | Add To Shortlist | Send Enquiry
TAMAN BUKIT INDAH, NusajayaRM 260,000
7 Photos1-sty Terrace/Link House : 3 | 2


Posted Date : 05/03/2012



Agent: CY TanClick for Phone number


View Details | Add To Shortlist | Send Enquiry
NusajayaRM 270,000
1-sty Terrace/Link House


Posted Date : 11/01/2012



Agent: sima propertiesClick for Phone number

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, the minimum width of the smallest house in taman laguna is 26", not 24".

We are aware that some atas developments in JB are indeed priced out of the reach by the locals. But u also have to associate the price to the space that u will get. Using your example of laguna, it has 6 bedrooms with a minimum built up of 2,700 sq ft, and a considerably big land area of minimum 26 x 80.

If you look at the lower cost housings (<300k), the price tag might be lower, but the space is significantly smaller also, usually less than 1,600 sq ft with only maximum 3 rooms (based on my observation from the resale market).

People are upgrading houses because 1) getting more affluent 2) family size increases 3) better security 4) investment etc

Using these few factors as a comparison, I don't quite see a point why the price in laguna is deem unreasonable when the price is in proportion to the space u get, and in fact much better with the added security, added designs and quality materials used and much more.

Using your friend as an example, if he as a sole breadwinner decides to move into a big house like laguna with 6 rooms, is this more relevant to say that this is a luxury more than a need? So luxury do come with a steeper price tag, without a doubt. But then again, for a big big family, which Malaysian family usually is (including the parents, in-laws etc), I think 600k price tag is very value for money, but dual-income family will find it more palatable.

There are indeed many lower cost houses in jb, like bro wuqi has pointed out in so many links. For new-built, there is also nusa bayu, with price tag started from less than 300k when it was launched. Now it's about 300k to 350k I think, before discounts.

In a nutshell, there are tons of options out there, and one should only buy within means and with needs. Remember, snakes can always try to shallow their prey more than their stomach could take, and even if it can shallow it, it might face difficult in digestion and killing itself instead. Likewise for human beings :)

Btw, no one development is perfect. Don't make yor judgement call if u haven't seen it all. It sounds like u haven't heard of the horror stories from other atas tamans, including HH? :)


Some stories I heard about Laguna. Maybe some bro's here can verify. The quality of first phase houses build are not up to standards. e.g. Floor tiles are not even.

Laguna design is big. 24 x 80. One needs to pass through some native kampung before reaching Laguna. In terms of location of course Laguna is nearer to causeway compared to setia tropika and bukit indah. In terms of convenience e.g. food, transportation, infrastructure of course nusajaya area is better.

I have alot of malaysian friends, one is working as a manager in a factory in jb for 10 years. he's currently drawing 7K/month. a 500K house is a burden to him as he has a family to feed. Imagine besides housing installment, there's university fees for the childrens, petrol and toll, food, etc. Not easy as what he mentioned.

Another one is a fresh grad with 2 years work experience drawing only 3K/month. Single person. After deducting CPF and tax monthly income is 2.6K. Needs to pay for car installment 600, study loan 400, petrol and toll 400, food 500, entertainment etc 300...all gone. no savings. still staying with parents. Unable to buy a house in nusajaya. Sad but true. Majority of the normal and average malaysians cannot afford to buy.

I will still stick to my personal opinion that those rich malaysian tycoons, businessman, datuks and those working in singaporean are the ones that can afford buying a property in Nusajaya area.

[DREAMorACTION]

Nothing wrong with preference. Everyone has different criteria and ST checked more boxes on my checklist at one particular point :)


I've been to ST. If you compare setia tropika and bukit indah, I would say most of people prefer bukit indah as the infrastructure there are better. I myself prefer bukit indah. It's the feel and the environment.

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, this is like comparing me against buying in orchard road. My case would be worse, because I can't even afford to buy a toilet space within a landed property in orchard hahaha (FYI, bukit indah was being referred to as orchard belt in here last time)

Just a laugh. Monday blues, go go go away :)


Hi brother wuqi,

Thanks for the below info. The property listed below are definitely below 500k. This also depends on the criteria for locals.

I got to know about HH units being bought my companies from Sri Lanka and they are currently renting it out. From time to time they will try to sell some of the units off. That is what I'm told by one of the agent few weeks back.

Before buying a property, one needs to consider few options.
1. Must be gated and guarded.
2. Convenient, near to public amenities e.g. transportations, banks, shopping complex, restaurant, shops.
3. Easy accessibility.
4. House size, build up and land area.
5. Community around.
6. Freehold or Leasehold

A very good example is cluster in bkt indah. If i'm not mistaken they are selling it at 888K and for the cluster in mutiara mas, they are selling at 550K++. A difference in price of 200-300K. That is alot for local malaysians.

[arsenal]

For locals buying for living, they can buy those from $100 to 500Krm.... If they are buying for investment, they will buy those above $500K as well.. reasons by Malaysia govt rules, foreigners can only buy those above 500Krm.. If they buy 100-200Krm houses, they can only sell to locals..




Hi brother wuqi,

Thanks for the below info. The property listed below are definitely below 500k. This also depends on the criteria for locals.

I got to know about HH units being bought my companies from Sri Lanka and they are currently renting it out. From time to time they will try to sell some of the units off. That is what I'm told by one of the agent few weeks back.

Before buying a property, one needs to consider few options.
1. Must be gated and guarded.
2. Convenient, near to public amenities e.g. transportations, banks, shopping complex, restaurant, shops.
3. Easy accessibility.
4. House size, build up and land area.
5. Community around.
6. Freehold or Leasehold

A very good example is cluster in bkt indah. If i'm not mistaken they are selling it at 888K and for the cluster in mutiara mas, they are selling at 550K++. A difference in price of 200-300K. That is alot for local malaysians.

[RedsYNWA]

Bro, the minimum width of the smallest house in taman laguna is 26", not 24".

We are aware that some atas developments in JB are indeed priced out of the reach by the locals. But u also have to associate the price to the space that u will get. Using your example of laguna, it has 6 bedrooms with a minimum built up of 2,700 sq ft, and a considerably big land area of minimum 26 x 80.

If you look at the lower cost housings (<300k), the price tag might be lower, but the space is significantly smaller also, usually less than 1,600 sq ft with only maximum 3 rooms (based on my observation from the resale market).

People are upgrading houses because 1) getting more affluent 2) family size increases 3) better security 4) investment etc

Using these few factors as a comparison, I don't quite see a point why the price in laguna is deem unreasonable when the price is in proportion to the space u get, and in fact much better with the added security, added designs and quality materials used and much more.

Using your friend as an example, if he as a sole breadwinner decides to move into a big house like laguna with 6 rooms, is this more relevant to say that this is a luxury more than a need? So luxury do come with a steeper price tag, without a doubt. But then again, for a big big family, which Malaysian family usually is (including the parents, in-laws etc), I think 600k price tag is very value for money, but dual-income family will find it more palatable.

There are indeed many lower cost houses in jb, like bro wuqi has pointed out in so many links. For new-built, there is also nusa bayu, with price tag started from less than 300k when it was launched. Now it's about 300k to 350k I think, before discounts.

In a nutshell, there are tons of options out there, and one should only buy within means and with needs. Remember, snakes can always try to shallow their prey more than their stomach could take, and even if it can shallow it, it might face difficult in digestion and killing itself instead. Likewise for human beings :)

Btw, no one development is perfect. Don't make yor judgement call if u haven't seen it all. It sounds like u haven't heard of the horror stories from other atas tamans, including HH? :)

I must confess I havent been to Laguna yet. When I mentioned this to my Malaysian friend, his main concerns about Laguna are:

1) Too near the sea. Unlike us, JB locals dont like developments too near the sea, as they are worried about the sea smell and the so-called "corrosive" effect on houses.
2) Lots of forested areas around Laguna or in his words "San1 Ba1", which may make Laguna susceptible to crime.

Again, I am neutral on this as I havent been there yet. Its just to share locals observations with fellow members. That said, for locals, it seems everywhere in Nusa is "san1 ba1" including atas Ledang! For many locals, the only non "san1 ba1" places in the west are Huanghou, Sutera Utama, and Bukit Indah.... Haha.......

[DREAMorACTION]

Yah, even HH's land was once a plantation. My friend also said that, they dislike because in their eyes, plantation land worth very little. That's traditional mindset la, now every piece of land has gained its value. And where else to find prime land? Either they change their mindset or they stay put to where they are ...

And like it or not, houses on the San ba land worth much much much more now! :p


I must confess I havent been to Laguna yet. When I mentioned this to my Malaysian friend, his main concerns about Laguna are:

1) Too near the sea. Unlike us, JB locals dont like developments too near the sea, as they are worried about the sea smell and the so-called "corrosive" effect on houses.
2) Lots of forested areas around Laguna or in his words "San1 Ba1", which may make Laguna susceptible to crime.

Again, I am neutral on this as I havent been there yet. Its just to share locals observations with fellow members. That said, for locals, it seems everywhere in Nusa is "san1 ba1" including atas Ledang! For many locals, the only non "san1 ba1" places in the west are Huanghou, Sutera Utama, and Bukit Indah.... Haha.......

[edragon]

For locals buying for living, they can buy those from $100 to 500Krm.... If they are buying for investment, they will buy those above $500K as well.. reasons by Malaysia govt rules, foreigners can only buy those above 500Krm.. If they buy 100-200Krm houses, they can only sell to locals..

If the initial price of RM400K appreciated to RM500K, can foreigners buy?

[DREAMorACTION]

Can, as long as your s&p is more than 500k


If the initial price of RM400K appreciated to RM500K, can foreigners buy?

[bbbear]

I must confess I havent been to Laguna yet. When I mentioned this to my Malaysian friend, his main concerns about Laguna are:

1) Too near the sea. Unlike us, JB locals dont like developments too near the sea, as they are worried about the sea smell and the so-called "corrosive" effect on houses.
2) Lots of forested areas around Laguna or in his words "San1 Ba1", which may make Laguna susceptible to crime.

Again, I am neutral on this as I havent been there yet. Its just to share locals observations with fellow members. That said, for locals, it seems everywhere in Nusa is "san1 ba1" including atas Ledang! For many locals, the only non "san1 ba1" places in the west are Huanghou, Sutera Utama, and Bukit Indah.... Haha.......

I guess the landscapes of whole JB is changing.. and it's changing fast.. as a johorean, the so call atas area in the past was around Stuland Laut, along Lido Beach (where the istana is) and Taman Molek now Taman Sutera.
Of course Johor is a place of crouching tiger and hidden dragon.. many many rich ppl all around the kampong and taman... you can't really see from the house they stay as they are not exposed to the luxury lifestyle in other countries. Hence their house may be looking a bit kampong to you. So really can't judge a book by its cover.

I went to Austin height last weekend and was suprised of the crowd they hv over at the Library Pub and desserts shops.. almost all outlets are full with ppl. My only issue with the area.. Traffic is bad.

My 2 cents pt of view. Seems like area around Nusajaya hving better infrastructure, which I guess because as a Iskandar project, they hv sort of plan out the infrastructure required and divide the section into different development upfront.. which a better city planning compared to Austin site where it happens in a less structured way. ANd to my big big surprice, the Grocery, the one at Dempsey hill is having one in Taman Molek... can't wait to see more progress in JB in all forms.

[DREAMorACTION]

Agree bro, these areas are buzzing and vibrant but are often overlooked by sinkies or international buyers due to its no so close proximity to the second link. No one wants to endure the pasir gudang highway on a daily basis, so nusajaya is the best bet.

How is your house progressing? Will u put up a renovation blog to all to learn? :)


I guess the landscapes of whole JB is changing.. and it's changing fast.. as a johorean, the so call atas area in the past was around Stuland Laut, along Lido Beach (where the istana is) and Taman Molek now Taman Sutera.
Of course Johor is a place of crouching tiger and hidden dragon.. many many rich ppl all around the kampong and taman... you can't really see from the house they stay as they are not exposed to the luxury lifestyle in other countries. Hence their house may be looking a bit kampong to you. So really can't judge a book by its cover.

I went to Austin height last weekend and was suprised of the crowd they hv over at the Library Pub and desserts shops.. almost all outlets are full with ppl. My only issue with the area.. Traffic is bad.

My 2 cents pt of view. Seems like area around Nusajaya hving better infrastructure, which I guess because as a Iskandar project, they hv sort of plan out the infrastructure required and divide the section into different development upfront.. which a better city planning compared to Austin site where it happens in a less structured way. ANd to my big big surprice, the Grocery, the one at Dempsey hill is having one in Taman Molek... can't wait to see more progress in JB in all forms.

[Investor]

Last night's Chinese Wanbao newspaper (Sg news) reported that Johor police spotted 3 house-breakin robbers and confronted them, the trio tried to retaliate and were all shot dead.

[bbbear]

Agree bro, these areas are buzzing and vibrant but are often overlooked by sinkies or international buyers due to its no so close proximity to the second link. No one wants to endure the pasir gudang highway on a daily basis, so nusajaya is the best bet.

How is your house progressing? Will u put up a renovation blog to all to learn? :)

Hahaha.. it s just merely started.. Had one friend to redo the lay out.. here is the major things i am intend to change
1. Wooden flooring for front porch (at the sliding door area), central courtyard and backyard
2. Change all bathrooms tiles to marble like big tiles
3. Remove the staircase handle bar..
4. Hack 2 bedrooms upstair to turn into one audio video room, which the wall facing the central courtyard also hacked and made a balcony inside the house with sliding door
5. Make a walk in wardrobe in the master bedroom with approximately 19' of wardrobes inside
6. Change part of masterbedroom wall to glass panel so can view directly to living hall
7. Woodflooring for dry kitchen with island (with basin)

These are the main things discussed so far... still got so many details to settle... wait to see the quotation first...

[Investor]

A Johor friend told me that many Johoreans are joining the Police Force as some kind of part-time police to fight crime in Johor. These part-time police officers are given weapons training and salary of around RM50 for a few hours of policing job(mostly to do surprise raids on vices in Johor).

[DREAMorACTION]

Sounds exciting! I have about the same idea for item 1, 4 and 5. For 6, a balcony with glass panels would be nice. What would u put in place for security?


Hahaha.. it s just merely started.. Had one friend to redo the lay out.. here is the major things i am intend to change
1. Wooden flooring for front porch (at the sliding door area), central courtyard and backyard
2. Change all bathrooms tiles to marble like big tiles
3. Remove the staircase handle bar..
4. Hack 2 bedrooms upstair to turn into one audio video room, which the wall facing the central courtyard also hacked and made a balcony inside the house with sliding door
5. Make a walk in wardrobe in the master bedroom with approximately 19' of wardrobes inside
6. Change part of masterbedroom wall to glass panel so can view directly to living hall
7. Woodflooring for dry kitchen with island (with basin)

These are the main things discussed so far... still got so many details to settle... wait to see the quotation first...

[bbbear]

Sounds exciting! I have about the same idea for item 1, 4 and 5. For 6, a balcony with glass panels would be nice. What would u put in place for security?

Must to hv its the grill front door, back door, windows... also i m looking at the wire type aluminium door.. not sure they are tough enough.. and alarm system.

[DREAMorACTION]

For the wire mesh aluminium door, Have u seen my post about the majestec? Is that the type u want?


Must to hv its the grill front door, back door, windows... also i m looking at the wire type aluminium door.. not sure they are tough enough.. and alarm system.

[bbbear]

For the wire mesh aluminium door, Have u seen my post about the majestec? Is that the type u want?

yes.. not sure this is tough enough to replace the traditional grill and the cost of it.. i guess usually the one important is the lock.. many cases the break in is they able to cut the lock away..

[DREAMorACTION]

I saw it at ksl. It looks very sturdy and tough. Normal cutter can't cut through. Can't bang it through also. But if use professional motor cutter, sure can't hold up ...


yes.. not sure this is tough enough to replace the traditional grill and the cost of it.. i guess usually the one important is the lock.. many cases the break in is they able to cut the lock away..

[RedsYNWA]

I guess the landscapes of whole JB is changing.. and it's changing fast.. as a johorean, the so call atas area in the past was around Stuland Laut, along Lido Beach (where the istana is) and Taman Molek now Taman Sutera.
Of course Johor is a place of crouching tiger and hidden dragon.. many many rich ppl all around the kampong and taman... you can't really see from the house they stay as they are not exposed to the luxury lifestyle in other countries. Hence their house may be looking a bit kampong to you. So really can't judge a book by its cover.

I went to Austin height last weekend and was suprised of the crowd they hv over at the Library Pub and desserts shops.. almost all outlets are full with ppl. My only issue with the area.. Traffic is bad.

My 2 cents pt of view. Seems like area around Nusajaya hving better infrastructure, which I guess because as a Iskandar project, they hv sort of plan out the infrastructure required and divide the section into different development upfront.. which a better city planning compared to Austin site where it happens in a less structured way. ANd to my big big surprice, the Grocery, the one at Dempsey hill is having one in Taman Molek... can't wait to see more progress in JB in all forms.

Oh, Jones the Grocer is coming to Molek? I din know that......The game changer is Ikea. Where it eventually goes, the housing prices there will receive a sharp boost... I find Sutera Utama and Austin the most buzzing areas in JB now. They are like our Toa Payoh and AMK. In the future, the most happening area could be Danga Bay Waterfront.......Hard to tell now though you cant really go wrong with Bukit Indah area....

[whoami]

For many locals, the only non "san1 ba1" places in the west are Huanghou, Sutera Utama, and Bukit Indah.... Haha.......

Bt Indah quite popular with Sillyporeans, Maybe cos they have a rep off at HarbourFt. They hold talks and also advertise in ST when teres launches. The also chartered Sillyporeans to their precincts..be it BI, ST, SI or Eco. Jusco drawing factors. We know how typical Sillyporeans behave. Sales staffs also told me quite popular among Msians working in Sillypore too esp Bt Indah precinct. Dont know abt other areas/precinct though.

Anyway after their recent launch of terraces, ustand near future they concentrated on SemiD, Cluster homes.

[RedsYNWA]

Bt Indah quite popular with Sillyporeans, Maybe cos they have a rep off at HarbourFt. They hold talks and also advertise in ST when teres launches. The also chartered Sillyporeans to their precincts..be it BI, ST, SI or Eco. Jusco drawing factors. We know how typical Sillyporeans behave. Sales staffs also told me quite popular among Msians working in Sillypore too esp Bt Indah precinct. Dont know abt other areas/precinct though.

Anyway after their recent launch of terraces, ustand near future they concentrated on SemiD, Cluster homes.

Haha, yah Setia's marketing power is really strong among singaporeans. I see their ads often in the papers and on radio. I just find their prices are more exp than others, while their houses are generally smaller. If given a choice around Bukit Indah area, I would prefer HH. My wife n in-laws (locals) prefer Molek though, so I had to follow their choice... That said, I believe there are different variety of housing and areas to choose from. Dont necessarily need to be HH, if pple have an issue with budget...

[whoami]

) prefer Molek though,

Hmm...i am quite confused. The Molek u mentioned I suppose is at Taman Sutera? But if i am not mistaken teres another Molek taman...somewhere near Saujuna area? Am i right?:confused:

[wuqi256]

Hi brother wuqi,

Thanks for the below info. The property listed below are definitely below 500k. This also depends on the criteria for locals.

I got to know about HH units being bought my companies from Sri Lanka and they are currently renting it out. From time to time they will try to sell some of the units off. That is what I'm told by one of the agent few weeks back.

Before buying a property, one needs to consider few options.
1. Must be gated and guarded.
2. Convenient, near to public amenities e.g. transportations, banks, shopping complex, restaurant, shops.
3. Easy accessibility.
4. House size, build up and land area.
5. Community around.
6. Freehold or Leasehold

A very good example is cluster in bkt indah. If i'm not mistaken they are selling it at 888K and for the cluster in mutiara mas, they are selling at 550K++. A difference in price of 200-300K. That is alot for local malaysians.

I am glad you heard about the Sri Lanka guys too so its clearer that its not just Singaporeans pushing things high. Lets face it, they still have choices and judging from the wide selection here, lots to choose from. Thats why unless your friends are only targetting the higher end ones, else there is not that much competition as they thought.

Most criteria for locals can be overcome unless we are talking about just low cost housing. I still see most complaining not because they have no roof over their heads but because the higher one they are reaching for is already expensive.

If one has to choose something high, he/she will still need to pay the correspondingly higher price for the features that he/she wants. Its like someone wants to get the highest penthouse and then complain its too expensive. If someone wants to buy a watertown condo for 2.2m SGD in SG instead of a HDB or cheaper condo project, more power to him but we won't expect him/her to complain about the prices later as its willing seller/buyer. I can stretch to buy a condo in SG but why would i want to do that? I do not need to show off to anyone as long as my parents, my wife and kids are proud of me, thats enough.

If your friend only looks for cluster, that means he should be earning enough to afford a cluster, definitely not if its someone are already stretching to make ends meet.

Lets just say there is one guy earning more than 20k SGD a month and driving an old car, another guy earning below 7k SGD just bought a brand new car in SG. In the end, the guy with the branded new car complained to the guy with the old car about high costs and how he is struggling. What can anyone do to help?

Its living within your means, i know its hard for many folks especially when there is a need to show off during CNY, etc. Another example, a 40 plus SGD guy has lots of commitments as he drives a Jag, etc but though he earns double that of the 20k guy. Yet the 20k guy, though earning lesser can do much in terms of investment, etc even have to blanjah the person earning double his pay whenever they meet. Whatever happened to "Kai Yuen Jie Liu"

I always suggested to buy the biggest one can reasonably afford not stretched to the max and live beyond ones means. There are still units even at Nusa Sentral, etc which are still selling even subsale for much much less than the 888k. There are also condos like Nusa Heights which will be launched below 200k while condos like Skyloft have been sold at 600k. There is a premium to be paid for the location, just like why folks in Jurong will typically get a lower asking price than someone staying in Holland/Bishan.

Where to find gated+guarded+high end development+good neighbours+good environment/good amenities and still cheap these days?

[RedsYNWA]

Hmm...i am quite confused. The Molek u mentioned I suppose is at Taman Sutera? But if i am not mistaken teres another Molek taman...somewhere near Saujuna area? Am i right?:confused:

Oh apologies for the confuson. I bought at Taman Molek, which is near the Ponderosa golf course, ie quite near the Tebrau/Austin area. If given a choice, I would have preferred Nusajaya area like HH which is close to both 1st n 2nd link. But my wife n in-laws are locals, n they are not comfortable with Bukit Indah area, as they prefer somewhere near 1st link & Jusco Tebrau... That said, I believe all areas have room to grow with the Iskandar project....

[whoami]

I know as i bought more than 2 units from this group. I still maintain the statement i made from the very first day, buy for own stay first. Always only invest what you can afford to lose.

Wah! This one got to agree with u 100%!

Its safer and with tat extra, we "gamble" with it. Afterall no risk no gain...

[whoami]

Oh apologies for the confuson. I bought at Taman Molek, which is near the Ponderosa golf course, ie quite near the Tebrau/Austin area. If given a choice, I would have preferred Nusajaya area like HH which is close to both 1st n 2nd link. But my wife n in-laws are locals, n they are not comfortable with Bukit Indah area, as they prefer somewhere near 1st link & Jusco Tebrau... That said, I believe all areas have room to grow with the Iskandar project....

Yes. Tat the one i went to look see look see :(. Near Ponderosa. Beautiful but expensive. G&G. Terraces sold out! But still have some SemiD available. And that area bustling with business!

[wuqi256]

Oh apologies for the confuson. I bought at Taman Molek, which is near the Ponderosa golf course, ie quite near the Tebrau/Austin area. If given a choice, I would have preferred Nusajaya area like HH which is close to both 1st n 2nd link. But my wife n in-laws are locals, n they are not comfortable with Bukit Indah area, as they prefer somewhere near 1st link & Jusco Tebrau... That said, I believe all areas have room to grow with the Iskandar project....

Agree, still lots of areas to choose from, even like Seri Alam, etc. Growth is coming to most parts of the place. :)

[wuqi256]

Yes. Tat the one i went to look see look see :(. Near Ponderosa. Beautiful but expensive. G&G. Terraces sold out! But still have some SemiD available. And that area bustling with business!

That area is going to be the new Japan town. :)

[RedsYNWA]

Yes. Tat the one i went to look see look see :(. Near Ponderosa. Beautiful but expensive. G&G. Terraces sold out! But still have some SemiD available. And that area bustling with business!

Molek Haven (terrace) is not yet sold out. But its selling for RM 698K now leh (24 x 80). The Semi-D is at Ponderosa. Its selling for RM 1.6M (45 x 115). I just went to the open houses 2 weeks ago.....hehe......The Ponderosa houses really beautiful man......

[wuqi256]

Wah! This one got to agree with u 100%!

Its safer and with tat extra, we "gamble" with it. Afterall no risk no gain...

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Of course heros almost always dies young but hey everyone only dies once.
Why not live your dreams? I rather fly and get shot down trying rather then to never have flown at all.

[bbbear]

Oh, Jones the Grocer is coming to Molek? I din know that......The game changer is Ikea. Where it eventually goes, the housing prices there will receive a sharp boost... I find Sutera Utama and Austin the most buzzing areas in JB now. They are like our Toa Payoh and AMK. In the future, the most happening area could be Danga Bay Waterfront.......Hard to tell now though you cant really go wrong with Bukit Indah area....

What i hear from my friends work in bank mortgage.. Ikea is not coming to JB.. main reason was complaint from Singapore Ikea that Ikea should not setup another outlet in such a close proximity..

I think a lot of ppl were buying the houses ard that area due to Ikea.. not sure what will happen later... and the traffic from Austin to JB is always a nightmare.. with the ridiculuous EDL don;t think will be much better.. cause the EDL only link up to Pandan interchange.. not up to Jusco Tebrau or Austin heigh area.

[whoami]

Molek Haven (terrace) is not yet sold out. But its selling for RM 698K now leh (24 x 80). The Semi-D is at Ponderosa. Its selling for RM 1.6M (45 x 115). I just went to the open houses 2 weeks ago.....hehe......The Ponderosa houses really beautiful man......

Hmmm..and tat sales staff (guy) told me its sold out for corner terr. But not cheap ya...

[whoami]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Of course heros almost always dies young but hey everyone only dies once.
Why not live your dreams? I rather fly and get shot down trying rather then to never have flown at all.

I get ur drift bro. Never try never know. Determination and perseverance...

[wuqi256]

I saw it at ksl. It looks very sturdy and tough. Normal cutter can't cut through. Can't bang it through also. But if use professional motor cutter, sure can't hold up ...

Agree, the strongest lock though is only a matter of time if someone is equipped, skilled and have enough time. Time is the main deterring factor for criminals as the longer it takes, the higher the risk. The thing you can do is to make it not worth their while (and time) to pick your place.

[Drops of Jupiter]

Some stories I heard about Laguna. Maybe some bro's here can verify. The quality of first phase houses build are not up to standards. e.g. Floor tiles are not even.

Laguna design is big. 24 x 80. One needs to pass through some native kampung before reaching Laguna. In terms of location of course Laguna is nearer to causeway compared to setia tropika and bukit indah. In terms of convenience e.g. food, transportation, infrastructure of course nusajaya area is better.

I have alot of malaysian friends, one is working as a manager in a factory in jb for 10 years. he's currently drawing 7K/month. a 500K house is a burden to him as he has a family to feed. Imagine besides housing installment, there's university fees for the childrens, petrol and toll, food, etc. Not easy as what he mentioned.

Another one is a fresh grad with 2 years work experience drawing only 3K/month. Single person. After deducting CPF and tax monthly income is 2.6K. Needs to pay for car installment 600, study loan 400, petrol and toll 400, food 500, entertainment etc 300...all gone. no savings. still staying with parents. Unable to buy a house in nusajaya. Sad but true. Majority of the normal and average malaysians cannot afford to buy.

I will still stick to my personal opinion that those rich malaysian tycoons, businessman, datuks and those working in singaporean are the ones that can afford buying a property in Nusajaya area.

7k / month cannot buy 500k house? That's probably true - at 4.2% interest over 30 years, easily 2.2k RM,
Was thinking about how this reflects on Singapore - a can a Singaporean earning 7k SGD a month (gross) buy a HDB flat which can cost easily 500k? We have lower interest rates - assume std HDB concessionary loan at 2.6%, it's about 1.8 SGD a month. Oops - that's nearly 40% of gross pay gone, and 7k is already quite a bit above median income...

[bbbear]

I saw it at ksl. It looks very sturdy and tough. Normal cutter can't cut through. Can't bang it through also. But if use professional motor cutter, sure can't hold up ...

How abt the lock? u think this can replace the normal grill.. did u ask the cost as well... i certainly dun like the normal bulky grill but for security.. seems like a no choice solution.. will invest on a good lock also.. to hv better piece of mind at night.

[DREAMorACTION]

What lock bro? The wire mesh comes with a frame that has lock on it. It has about 4 lock point I think. And lifetime guarantee on wear and tear. This certainly can replace the grills, and I like it better, because it can keep insects out, airiate the house, and refrain my pets from getting out of house. They customize their products at a cost, the standard sizes cost from 2k upwards. U can decide on colors to match your house as they will coat them. This is talking about door.

They also do window at lower cost accordingly.

So u can see it costs more than grilles but it serves many aspects that I like. I think it's good idea for majestec .. They have a showroom, why not have a visit? :) btw, dun need to do all areas with wire mess right? More prominent areas,especially the front porch with sliding door with this majestec will look awesome!




How abt the lock? u think this can replace the normal grill.. did u ask the cost as well... i certainly dun like the normal bulky grill but for security.. seems like a no choice solution.. will invest on a good lock also.. to hv better piece of mind at night.

[ginfreely]

Molek Haven (terrace) is not yet sold out. But its selling for RM 698K now leh (24 x 80). The Semi-D is at Ponderosa. Its selling for RM 1.6M (45 x 115). I just went to the open houses 2 weeks ago.....hehe......The Ponderosa houses really beautiful man......

Hi, I remember this Molek/ponderosa developer very selective, when I visited them last time the sales guy told me they prefer not to sell to Singaporeans who are not staying there or for weekend only.

[bbbear]

What lock bro? The wire mesh comes with a frame that has lock on it. It has about 4 lock point I think. And lifetime guarantee on wear and tear. This certainly can replace the grills, and I like it better, because it can keep insects out, airiate the house, and refrain my pets from getting out of house. They customize their products at a cost, the standard sizes cost from 2k upwards. U can decide on colors to match your house as they will coat them. This is talking about door.

They also do window at lower cost accordingly.

So u can see it costs more than grilles but it serves many aspects that I like. I think it's good idea for majestec .. They have a showroom, why not have a visit? :) btw, dun need to do all areas with wire mess right? More prominent areas,especially the front porch with sliding door with this majestec will look awesome!

Ya.. you think the 4pt lock is secured enough.. yah. i hv the flyer too.. another thing i was impressed at KSL was the Johnson Suisse which is cheaper then i thought.. a bathroom basin cost RM400-RM800 and Schneider power point.. which good design but pricy starting from RM20-RM120.. wonder where i can these stuff cheaper in Singapore..

[RedsYNWA]

Hi, I remember this Molek/ponderosa developer very selective, when I visited them last time the sales guy told me they prefer not to sell to Singaporeans who are not staying there or for weekend only.

Haha my ex-Setia friend did say Setia Tropika had issues with Singaporeans who stayed there for weekends only, and refused to pay monthly maintenance fees. When these Singaporeans were not let into the compound, they would park their cars right outside the gate, creating a jam till the security guard is forced to let them in. My friend was utterly disgusted at them. These Singaporeans really gave us a bad name! Haiz....

[ginfreely]

Haha my ex-Setia friend did say Setia Tropika had issues with Singaporeans who stayed there for weekends only, and refused to pay monthly maintenance fees. When these Singaporeans were not let into the compound, they would park their cars right outside the gate, creating a jam till the security guard is forced to let them in. My friend was utterly disgusted at them. These Singaporeans really gave us a bad name! Haiz....

Huh got such thing..Singaporeans also don't pay maintenance fees? Was told by some sales people before that some condos with many locals got issue of collection of maintenance fees. But the reason the Molek developer gave is not this leh, they said no good to have many houses left empty like a ghost town..

[DREAMorACTION]

Erm ... In addition, put another lock (from inside), your sliding door also has a lock (but weak one), then couple with CCTV and the magnetic strip alarm that bro wuqi recommended from daiso, enough le bah.... Haha

Yah, I also saw the toilet stuffs. And I learned about the distance of house piping vs their design. Not all their designs can fit in any bathroom. I didn't know this, still learning


Ya.. you think the 4pt lock is secured enough.. yah. i hv the flyer too.. another thing i was impressed at KSL was the Johnson Suisse which is cheaper then i thought.. a bathroom basin cost RM400-RM800 and Schneider power point.. which good design but pricy starting from RM20-RM120.. wonder where i can these stuff cheaper in Singapore..

[josh88]

What i hear from my friends work in bank mortgage.. Ikea is not coming to JB.. main reason was complaint from Singapore Ikea that Ikea should not setup another outlet in such a close proximity..

I think a lot of ppl were buying the houses ard that area due to Ikea.. not sure what will happen later... and the traffic from Austin to JB is always a nightmare.. with the ridiculuous EDL don;t think will be much better.. cause the EDL only link up to Pandan interchange.. not up to Jusco Tebrau or Austin heigh area.


Just to clarify that the EDL is linked to the North South expressway.So once it's open we can bypass tebrau highway where the jams are. Going to Setia Tropika will be a breeze. Also you can exit at Bandar Dato Onn before Setia Tropika & get to Adda Hts & Austin Hts & Setia Eco Cascadia in a few minutes through Taman Daya. So hopefully with the EDL, jams will be a thing of the past. However got to pay a ridiculous price to use it.

[Polymin]

Erm ... In addition, put another lock (from inside), your sliding door also has a lock (but weak one), then couple with CCTV and the magnetic strip alarm that bro wuqi recommended from daiso, enough le bah.... Haha

Yah, I also saw the toilet stuffs. And I learned about the distance of house piping vs their design. Not all their designs can fit in any bathroom. I didn't know this, still learning

Hi all,
If you have friends in USA get this slider lock. Prevents people from lifting the sliding doors. Also good for owners, just in case you forgotten to lock the flimsy base lock. It's also good for house with little kids.

Also safe for you to exit in case of fire. No need to fumble for keys !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRD3nr3bLOo&feature=player_embedded

[DREAMorACTION]

Oh wow, never thought that sliding door could be lifted easily. Very good point.

This lock looks good. Must order from USA? Has anyone seen it anywhere (or similar design by local brand)? I can see this lock being very useful when I design my balcony ...


Hi all,
If you have friends in USA get this slider lock. Prevents people from lifting the sliding doors. Also good for owners, just in case you forgotten to lock the flimsy base lock. It's also good for house with little kids.

Also safe for you to exit in case of fire. No need to fumble for keys !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRD3nr3bLOo&feature=player_embedded

[wuqi256]

Oh wow, never thought that sliding door could be lifted easily. Very good point.

This lock looks good. Must order from USA? Has anyone seen it anywhere (or similar design by local brand)? I can see this lock being very useful when I design my balcony ...

Yes, cheap and good way is to find a piece of wood and saw it to fit exactly. That way, once you stuff that piece of stout wood down, there is no easy opening of the sliding door even if they lift it.

[avalon74]

Hello avalon74,

The offer price was MYR589,000 for my unit. All the promotional discounts and fees absorbtion during the launch last year applied, so all in all, I think it was a fair deal. I was told the Alphenor handover will be around this time next year as the external works are still on-going.

Thanks for the pic, I look forward to enjoy such scenery in person :-) And yes, I look forward to meeting up with fellow residents at SEG. in the near future.

Cheers.

HI EDTBA,
Not alot of active bros staying in SEG besides us.. cathy & AP stays in Tropika while one bro recently bot Eco Cascadia..
Think for a corner unit, that is a good price based on current unit availability..

Usually it will be completed ard 1-3 months earlier so keep your fingers crossed..
Is your unit facing the road into precinct or facing Liviana?

Cheers

[wuqi256]

Today got blown away, a small sampan saw a big ship passed by. Someone who already bought some just bought another 10 plus units of a certain type of a large, non residential property.
We small time investors (mainly i am small) salute the big ships passing by, very humbled by the size of these ships. Can feel the waves rocking. :)

[CameraMan]

Hi Bro Wuqi,

I like your idea. It is simply practical.


Yes, cheap and good way is to find a piece of wood and saw it to fit exactly. That way, once you stuff that piece of stout wood down, there is no easy opening of the sliding door even if they lift it.

[avalon74]

7k / month cannot buy 500k house? That's probably true - at 4.2% interest over 30 years, easily 2.2k RM,
Was thinking about how this reflects on Singapore - a can a Singaporean earning 7k SGD a month (gross) buy a HDB flat which can cost easily 500k? We have lower interest rates - assume std HDB concessionary loan at 2.6%, it's about 1.8 SGD a month. Oops - that's nearly 40% of gross pay gone, and 7k is already quite a bit above median income...

Think I did some calculations some time back.. a couple who earns 5K each & paying a 30 yr loan can afford a 570K HDB without any out of pocket cash payments (CPF concessionary rate of 2.6%) However it probably last for 2 generation before it is makan by gahmen.. due to 99 year lease..
So sometimes it baffles me when pple pay so much more for a HDB that has less than 70 years remaining..

[avalon74]

Haha my ex-Setia friend did say Setia Tropika had issues with Singaporeans who stayed there for weekends only, and refused to pay monthly maintenance fees. When these Singaporeans were not let into the compound, they would park their cars right outside the gate, creating a jam till the security guard is forced to let them in. My friend was utterly disgusted at them. These Singaporeans really gave us a bad name! Haiz....

Tot sgp are quite kiasi.. I paid the 6 months maintenance fees when I received the letter but my neighbour who stays there have not paid yet..
Good think Setia, lawyer & bank sends the document to my sg address.. only for water & electrical bill slips are dropped into my JB property mailbox..

[Grago]

What lock bro? The wire mesh comes with a frame that has lock on it. It has about 4 lock point I think. And lifetime guarantee on wear and tear. This certainly can replace the grills, and I like it better, because it can keep insects out, airiate the house, and refrain my pets from getting out of house. They customize their products at a cost, the standard sizes cost from 2k upwards. U can decide on colors to match your house as they will coat them. This is talking about door.

They also do window at lower cost accordingly.

So u can see it costs more than grilles but it serves many aspects that I like. I think it's good idea for majestec .. They have a showroom, why not have a visit? :) btw, dun need to do all areas with wire mess right? More prominent areas,especially the front porch with sliding door with this majestec will look awesome!

Bro thanks for the Infor on the earlier query. Does Majestec have a showroom at KSL. Is this the KSL at Century Gardens Johore Baru?

[wuqi256]

Hi Bro Wuqi,

I like your idea. It is simply practical.

Thanks, this was borrowed from those uncles i saw but i will suggest to get something that is sawed to fit snugly and stuff it in, put a short piece of string around the wood before stuffing it in so that you can pull it out from the inside to dislodge it easily when you are back.

[DREAMorACTION]

Oh yeah, very logical Bro. Thanks for the tips

But if there are kids are home, this might not work as desired. The kids might just pick the wood up and in the process might accidentally hit something. Gotta deal this with care when implementing this method, I think ...


Yes, cheap and good way is to find a piece of wood and saw it to fit exactly. That way, once you stuff that piece of stout wood down, there is no easy opening of the sliding door even if they lift it.

[Grago]

Hi all,
If you have friends in USA get this slider lock. Prevents people from lifting the sliding doors. Also good for owners, just in case you forgotten to lock the flimsy base lock. It's also good for house with little kids.

Also safe for you to exit in case of fire. No need to fumble for keys !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRD3nr3bLOo&feature=player_embedded

Bro. Excellent post. Thanks. Looking at the installation video, I would guess that it could also be use on the sliding windows which work on the same principle as sliding doors....

[wuqi256]

Public Service Announcement

Bros, crime is everywhere, just be vigilant, whichever estate or development you stay in, there is no place that is 100% safe.

Also, it is safe to assume every single CR Turbo pickup, container truck, lorry and vans are out to take your life. Today
encoutered another few guys who just stomped on their brakes, run the light or basically were looking everywhere but
the right way. On my way back, in Jurong, saw a black vehicle from the distance with its middle caved in. Yesterday, saw
a car in Johore almost got banged by a container truck, luckily i horned and warned the driver and he stopped, he was angry
until he saw the truck. Then he waved.

Just like SG, there are good and bad drivers here, there are followers of the "Uh-nang Uh-nang" as well as the dark side, followers
of the "Bo-nang Bo-nang" Followers of the "Bo-nang Bo-nang" can be of any race but basically they do not care to see if there is
anyone in the lane that they are filtering out (suddenly) to.

(Bo-Nang =Hokkien/Teochew for "Nobody Nobody", meaning the driver can see no one else)

Nor do they care if they go into a lane and ebrake suddenly. Yet some will switch from being at extreme right at the traffic lights to
go to the left filter lane suddenly. These are clear and present dangers that these "Bo-nang Bo-nangs" present to all road users. It is
imperative that you take extra care with these people who thinks they are the only ones paying road tax and that they assume no one else
is using the roads except them.

Do not horn them as they are usually wearing very tight underwear and it takes little to provoke them when you disturb them with your presence.
Even saw another lorry just now, shooting out from the side lanes out onto the main road, only AFTER he reaches the main road, then he thought
to check to see if there is anyone behind him. Narrowly missed a motorcycle.

Other than owners of large vehicles, there are some small ones that has tremendous inferiority complexes that they need to show that they can
overtake you when you turning left or right. After that, on the main road, everyone else passes them by as they then drive very slowly........until
they see a woman driver, then its RRRRRrr overtaking time.

[DREAMorACTION]

They don't based in ksl. They were there doing a home fair.

From the brochure, their office is at:

76, Jalan rosemerah 2/17, taman Johor jaya, 81100 JB
Tel:07-3533792

I just googled the product and found this featured article.

http://www.starproperty.my/Shopping/WhatsNew/10664/0/0

U can also search in you tube. A few videos are available inside



Bro thanks for the Infor on the earlier query. Does Majestec have a showroom at KSL. Is this the KSL at Century Gardens Johore Baru?

[wuqi256]

Found out we still need levy for all types of properties even though it was not discussed by the developer and their guy hinted it was covered as well as S&P.

Found out it was not when i spoke with their fiance guy today for term and loans,(doing due dilligence for T&Cs) but hit a stone wall and they refused to budge
as a lot of discounts were given already and this was really cheap as compared to every other development.

Quickly called and explained to a few bros before i even called my family members. Felt bad, made no excuses to them and offered to buy out bros who may be
unhappy. No one was luckily as they understood. I can always earn back a couple of 10k but not friendship nor trust.

[vincentck]

Hi all,
If you have friends in USA get this slider lock. Prevents people from lifting the sliding doors. Also good for owners, just in case you forgotten to lock the flimsy base lock. It's also good for house with little kids.

Also safe for you to exit in case of fire. No need to fumble for keys !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRD3nr3bLOo&feature=player_embedded
I can't remember where I saw/read, but you can also ask your contractor or sliding door guy to install an additional piece of metal along the tracks so that the sliding doors cannot be lifted out.

I like the Majestec mesh, but would need to see how effective or how strong is the mesh. Will probably install it for the windows and doors; and additional grill for the ground floor. My idea is to discourage would-be robbers when they see the grill. Because if other houses has grill and mine doesn't have; high chance the robber will wanna try robbing my house because it looks easier.

[sgtsk]

Faq from Malaysian Institute of Estate Agents

http://miea.com.my/home/faq.php


Not sure the information is helpful

[Grago]

They don't based in ksl. They were there doing a home fair.

From the brochure, their office is at:

76, Jalan rosemerah 2/17, taman Johor jaya, 81100 JB
Tel:07-3533792

I just googled the product and found this featured article.

http://www.starproperty.my/Shopping/WhatsNew/10664/0/0

U can also search in you tube. A few videos are available inside

Bro, thanks for the info's and link. My contribution to your rep count ;)

[vincentck]

Hahaha.. it s just merely started.. Had one friend to redo the lay out.. here is the major things i am intend to change
1. Wooden flooring for front porch (at the sliding door area), central courtyard and backyard
2. Change all bathrooms tiles to marble like big tiles
3. Remove the staircase handle bar..
4. Hack 2 bedrooms upstair to turn into one audio video room, which the wall facing the central courtyard also hacked and made a balcony inside the house with sliding door
5. Make a walk in wardrobe in the master bedroom with approximately 19' of wardrobes inside
6. Change part of masterbedroom wall to glass panel so can view directly to living hall
7. Woodflooring for dry kitchen with island (with basin)

These are the main things discussed so far... still got so many details to settle... wait to see the quotation first...
Hey bro bbbear, I like No 4. I'll be extending my house to the side to create 2 rooms, level 1 & 2. Level 1 room will be my AV room, while upstairs will be another bedroom or walk-in wardrobe.

[sgtsk]

Found another site may be of help but I could not attest to its accuracy as I have not yet read the information or use the organisation before.

National House Buyers Association

http://www.hba.org.my/faq/list.htm

[rogue1109]

Hi whoami,

Did you get your nick from a computer prog? Everyday when I log on to my office pc, I see a program running with the exact same name.

Anyway that aside, this property you mention, description almost similar to one I visited.

Not sure if it's the same but the sales told me that on S&P they put more than RM500K for the corner unit but will provide a 10% rebate to buyers of their recent launch so the final price is less than RM500K. When I was there, a family driving SG plate placed booking for two units.


On another note, I found out that some developers will handle the maintenance of a taman for the first two years, then later they will hand over this responsibility to a resident committee made up of residents of the taman. The RC so called will then handle the maintenance contract for the guards, cleaning or even building of new facilities within the taman and the maintenance charges. Is this the same practice for all tamans?


Juz the other day I went to this particular precinct. Look see look see. An End lot terrace looks ok but SW facing. Price quoted was M$470K. I told the sales staff I dont tink i qualify cos below threshold n i am a foreigner. She said wait a minute i go check again. Came back told me " u are lucky. My boss decided to peg the price at M$510K now". I asked why is it so? She did reply back ...but i cant remember the reasons. And mind u...practically all the units taken up. Except for some corner terraces with very big extra land..big enough to build another intermediate lot. And some units facing the surau/religious school and power substation...



Precisely!

Sales staff told me so...and I also got the info fm the horses mouth too...

[DREAMorACTION]

You're welcome. Thanks much! :)


Bro, thanks for the info's and link. My contribution to your rep count ;)

[DREAMorACTION]

Bro, did u mean u want mesh + grille or mesh + grille + glass? Do u have intention to replace the glass with grille?

If u want grille + mesh + glass, I think it will be quite thick ...


I can't remember where I saw/read, but you can also ask your contractor or sliding door guy to install an additional piece of metal along the tracks so that the sliding doors cannot be lifted out.

I like the Majestec mesh, but would need to see how effective or how strong is the mesh. Will probably install it for the windows and doors; and additional grill for the ground floor. My idea is to discourage would-be robbers when they see the grill. Because if other houses has grill and mine doesn't have; high chance the robber will wanna try robbing my house because it looks easier.

[vincentck]

Bro, did u mean u want mesh + grille or mesh + grille + glass? Do u have intention to replace the glass with grille?

If u want grille + mesh + glass, I think it will be quite thick ...
Yup, bro u got it right. Mesh+glass on top floor and grill+mesh+glass on selected ground floor openings. It's just an idea; haven't thought about the practicality or cost yet... Heheh

Since I plan to extend out the side of my corner unit, my wife French doors to open into the garden. I wasn't supportive of the idea because it creates another opening that I need to secure. Then we saw a house with a shutter-type cover like u see in shops where they pull down the shutter from the top. That might work to secure the French doors at night, and in the day time the shutters are hidden.

[DREAMorACTION]

Wow bro, that's quite some designing to do! I hope all these features will blend in well together for u ...


If u want a shutter, I think roller shutter will be a better option because it takes up much lesser space.



Yup, bro u got it right. Mesh+glass on top floor and grill+mesh+glass on selected ground floor openings. It's just an idea; haven't thought about the practicality or cost yet... Heheh

Since I plan to extend out the side of my corner unit, my wife French doors to open into the garden. I wasn't supportive of the idea because it creates another opening that I need to secure. Then we saw a house with a shutter-type cover like u see in shops where they pull down the shutter from the top. That might work to secure the French doors at night, and in the day time the shutters are hidden.

[EDTBA]

HI EDTBA,
Not alot of active bros staying in SEG besides us.. cathy & AP stays in Tropika while one bro recently bot Eco Cascadia..
Think for a corner unit, that is a good price based on current unit availability..

Usually it will be completed ard 1-3 months earlier so keep your fingers crossed..
Is your unit facing the road into precinct or facing Liviana?

Cheers

My unit is facing North-North-West and facing the main road. Liviana is behind. It is also a bit elevated so I get some nice views of the surrounding ponds and gardens.

I'm sure there are more Singaporeans who have bought into SEG but are probably not in this forum. Regardless, I hope to make some new friends in the neighbourhood no matter where they come from.

Cheers.

[bbbear]

Hey bro bbbear, I like No 4. I'll be extending my house to the side to create 2 rooms, level 1 & 2. Level 1 room will be my AV room, while upstairs will be another bedroom or walk-in wardrobe.

So your house is corner.. for me no more extension.. cause i guess the house is already quite big (3000+ sqft).

My idea of making the house more classy look will be more spent on bathroom (tiles and fittings), lightings and furniture.
Was shopping ard ION and there was this shop - Proof of Living.. damn high class/expensive furniture... a sofa cost >S$20 000.. hahaha..

Sad to say, JB furniture style still very "uncle" so.. will be difficult to look for what i like.. simple yet earthy.

[bbbear]

Yup, bro u got it right. Mesh+glass on top floor and grill+mesh+glass on selected ground floor openings. It's just an idea; haven't thought about the practicality or cost yet... Heheh

Since I plan to extend out the side of my corner unit, my wife French doors to open into the garden. I wasn't supportive of the idea because it creates another opening that I need to secure. Then we saw a house with a shutter-type cover like u see in shops where they pull down the shutter from the top. That might work to secure the French doors at night, and in the day time the shutters are hidden.

that's always the problem house in JB... security concerns.. the house will be look so nice without the grills and gates... you wanna create a resort feel with wooden flooring, nice arm chair and green plants.. but all this is sort of affected by the bulky grill there.. hahaha...

[DREAMorACTION]

For classy items, Viva home will be a great place for one-stop solution for homes

http://www.vivahome.com.my/v1/aboutus.html

But it's in KL .... But still worthwhile if can buy everything at one shot and deliver only once ... Economy of scale :)


So your house is corner.. for me no more extension.. cause i guess the house is already quite big (3000+ sqft).

My idea of making the house more classy look will be more spent on bathroom (tiles and fittings), lightings and furniture.
Was shopping ard ION and there was this shop - Proof of Living.. damn high class/expensive furniture... a sofa cost >S$20 000.. hahaha..

Sad to say, JB furniture style still very "uncle" so.. will be difficult to look for what i like.. simple yet earthy.

[bbbear]

For classy items, Viva home will be a great place for one-stop solution for homes

http://www.vivahome.com.my/v1/aboutus.html

But it's in KL .... But still worthwhile if can buy everything at one shot and deliver only once ... Economy of scale :)

Wow.. thanks Bro... yes.. thinking go to KL and look at the furniture... transportation cost will b ok since its within Malaysia

[Joannesng]

Hi all, am new here :) ' wave ' hello :) what about Seri Austin Property ? Terrace on top of the hill

[Joannesng]

I had booked a unit at Seri Ausin Hill, but due to my unit back facing 2 big water tank , I might give it a miss :(

[wuqi256]

[QUOTE=rogue1109;
On another note, I found out that some developers will handle the maintenance of a taman for the first two years, then later they will hand over this responsibility to a resident committee made up of residents of the taman. The RC so called will then handle the maintenance contract for the guards, cleaning or even building of new facilities within the taman and the maintenance charges. Is this the same practice for all tamans?[/QUOTE]

Yes, they will do that, however for our case, after 2 years the developer is still looking after this, at least for now. Actually i prefer it that way even though good and well intentioned bros here have asked us to join in to form a committee, i would rather have it managed by the developer as long as possible. Good people may
sell/move out and there is just too much associated with runnining things well, etc.

[RedsYNWA]

Hi all, am new here :) ' wave ' hello :) what about Seri Austin Property ? Terrace on top of the hill

Hi, personally I prefer Austin Heights development. If I had the budget, I would have gone for the Austin Heights top-of-the-hill bungalow (fully furnished) at RM 4.8m...... It remains a pipe dream though........haha

[whoami]

Hi whoami,

Did you get your nick from a computer prog? Everyday when I log on to my office pc, I see a program running with the exact same name. Really?:)
Anyway that aside, this property you mention, description almost similar to one I visited.

Not sure if it's the same but the sales told me that on S&P they put more than RM500K for the corner unit but will provide a 10% rebate to buyers of their recent launch so the final price is less than RM500K. When I was there, a family driving SG plate placed booking for two units. The sales staff told me no more rebates as the sales launch over leow. Those unsold one they are relaunching them again. Hench I have to purchase it at RM$470K. But she told me her Boss decided to sell it at RM$510K. No rebates. No discounts. The example u posted there reminded me of a case which I nearly committed it. But my Mrs turn down the good deal. Good deal cos the unit was supposed to be something like RM$525K. But since developer (Setia Gp) decided to give discount, the net price was RM$488K. It was a end lot, but extra land only 10' if not mistaken. And that unit was the last one sold below M$500K threshold. Doubt i can get such unit as such price ever again fm this developer.

On another note, I found out that some developers will handle the maintenance of a taman for the first two years, then later they will hand over this responsibility to a resident committee made up of residents of the taman. The RC so called will then handle the maintenance contract for the guards, cleaning or even building of new facilities within the taman and the maintenance charges. Is this the same practice for all tamans? Wuqi point worth mentioned it again. Yes, I prefer that the developers handle the maintenance stuff.

Theres this showroom corner unit at BI. Worth buying it. But last time i checked with the sales staff, i am 6th on the queue. Hmmm....:o:(

[cathylmg]

Bros and sis here. Does anyone know whether is it legal to bring a sabre 关刀 in and out of jb & Singapore customs on a regular basis? How to go about doing it in a legal way?

Thanks for any info. :)

[lonelysin]

I thought BI show houses are clustered together in the Show Village? That one for sale ar?



Theres this showroom corner unit at BI. Worth buying it. But last time i checked with the sales staff, i am 6th on the queue. Hmmm....:o:(