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The difficulty of convincing Sinkies that public protest is not always a bad thing

Leepotism

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Except for countries like North Korea and Burma, peaceful protest against the Establishment in public is actually a right for each and every citizen in this modern world. Why are Singaporeans adverse to such an activity is quite a puzzle. Occupy Singapore is a non event while people all over the world gather to protest in their own countries.

Forummers, your worthy views and opinions.:p:biggrin:
 

Cestbon

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Re: The difficulty of convincing Sinkies that public protest is not always a bad thin

One thing for sure many want to protest but all of them no gut and no ball.
 

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Who dare to start the ball rolling ? :wink:
 

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There's no such thing as "guts". There's only cost and benefit. If there's greater benefits than costs in having "guts", you can be sure that Sinkies will definitely grow some balls.
 

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To Be honest, no one will turn up as Singaporeans dont protest anymore. And in contrast to the USA, the super rich are the Lees and Tan's as in TT. The PAP controls most of the wealth in Singapore, so if want to protest, protest against the Lees and PAP.

Also the organisation also not too right, should have organise it in Speaker's Corner.Talk about it, create awareness.. that way its harder to get into trouble with the Law..
 

Leepotism

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One thing for sure many want to protest but all of them no gut and no ball.

Sinkies have lost the courage to protest because the govt. denied them this right thru threats, arbitrary arrest and abuse of power of ISA and a compliant kangaroo court. The fear is really deeply ingrained in sinkies psyche.
 

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Even b4 event police comes out with statement say it is illegal liao. who dare to go?
 

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Sinkies are only coming to understand domestic politics AND have only recently started to come out from their shell in voicing out agianst the ruiling.. That it self is a great feat but it takes time for them to totally not have fear with the people governing their life and take it a step further.. Taking note that Voicing out only started like mid- of last year. And at the moment, Things like WALL STREET/Corporation/Banking Greed.Power and Control is above their understanding. Takes time to really understand how it effects their daily life.

Plus.. Singapore is lacking a Leader.. Someone who can rally in the troops and also Mob Mentality plays a role.
Never have they gone out on the streets in decades to protest and everyone is skeptical whether the rest would do it, so they step down from it.. (Mob Mentality isnt there) and lastly, Going out on the Streets to protest about things like Wall-street is beyond their understanding at the moment, and this will not get the ball rolling.. There has to be something that slaps them hard on their face and + a few other ingrendients for them to step up and put their fear aside and start marching on the streets then when other issues comes up and people are being asked to March..It will be easier to reel in the troops.. Fear and Understanding is stopping the people.
 
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Leepotism

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There's no such thing as "guts". There's only cost and benefit. If there's greater benefits than costs in having "guts", you can be sure that Sinkies will definitely grow some balls.

Actually it's all about moral courage and sense of right and wrong.
 

Leepotism

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Sinkies are only coming to understand domestic politics AND have only recently started to come out from their shell in voicing out agianst the ruiling.. That it self is a great feat but it takes time for them to totally not have fear with the people governing their life and take it a step further.. Taking note that Voicing out only started like mid- of last year. And at the moment, Things like WALL STREET/Corporation/Banking Greed.Power and Control is above their understanding. Takes time to really understand how it effects their daily life.

Bro, I concur with you that it takes time for sinkies to learn, unlike other citizens of the world.
 

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Except for countries like North Korea and Burma, peaceful protest against the Establishment in public is actually a right for each and every citizen in this modern world. Why are Singaporeans adverse to such an activity is quite a puzzle. Occupy Singapore is a non event while people all over the world gather to protest in their own countries.

Forummers, your worthy views and opinions.:p:biggrin:

Actually no such problem at all.

It is about WHO is there doing it. There are already more than 10 heavy weight activists well experienced to handle SPF in SG. I will say there up to 30 of them. As long as ANY 1 or 2 of them anchor a protest SPF will LL. CSJ held the roads outside Myanmar Embassy 24hrs for about a week and Speakers Corner for 3 days 3 night. Occupy ANYWHERE in SG is easy.

Guts or Balls not a problem at all.

Question is WHO.

Who is there and who is not there made the whole different.

During day 2 of WBIMF (17th September 2006) Raffle Place was already Occupied by CSJ & gang for few hours, they moved between Speakers Corner & Raffle Place, they distributed flyers at Raffle Place MRT. Mata can only LL follow them and video it.

:biggrin:
 

psy83

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One thing that we fail to see in CSJ is he got balls. He had done alot to fight for the commoners but in-turn we have been brain-washed by govern controlled media to think he is a mad dog... If i was in CSJ shoes i would be extremely frustrated being a Sinkie.. Nothing given back to him for his Stand against the Ruling.
 
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methink

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The constitution actually guarantees our rights to assemble. In marching on the streets to protest, CSJ was trying to point this out.

The PAP has cunningly taken away this right to assemble by adding other rules to it. One is by making the protesters apply for a police permit, which invariably is not granted.

Smearing and demonising CSJ is to divert ppl's attention from their evil actions. CSJ is ahead of his time. One day the ppl will see thru the evil PAP.
 

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Whenever any call for street protest fails in Singapore, some are quick to call Singaporeans no guts, no balls. I beg to differ. It's not about guts and balls. It's about they don't give a damn because it's not for a cause they support. Singaporeans dare not assemble? What about election rallies? It's a de facto public protest against PAP for anyone attending opposition rallies, right there in person among all the ISD, police and media cameras, still so many showed up.
 

Ash007

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This should provide some discussion point. I thought the use of unlawful assembly is at the heart of this question. To me how you interpret any of the listed item will determine if you go to jail or not by the judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Code_(Singapore)
Chapter VIII: Offences against the public tranquillity
Unlawful assembly – An assembly of five or more persons is an "unlawful assembly" if the common object of the persons composing that assembly is —
(a) to overawe by criminal force, or show of criminal force, the Legislative or Executive Government, or any public servant in the exercise of the lawful power of such public servant;
(b) to resist the execution of any law, or of any legal process;
(c) to commit any mischief or criminal trespass, or other offence;
(d) by means of criminal force, or show of criminal force, to any person, to take or obtain possession of any property, or to deprive any person of the enjoyment of a right of way, or of the use of water or other incorporeal right of which he is in possession or enjoyment, or to enforce any right or supposed right; or
(e) by means of criminal force, or show of criminal force, to compel any person to do what he is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do what he is legally entitled to do.[34]
The punishment for being a member of an unlawful assembly is imprisonment of up to six months, or a fine, or both.[35]
 

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You can bet that there will be no protests even if Singaporeans are charged a government tax of $10 for every time they have sex. :rolleyes:
 

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Sinkies are only coming to understand domestic politics AND have only recently started to come out from their shell in voicing out agianst the ruiling.. That it self is a great feat but it takes time for them to totally not have fear with the people governing their life and take it a step further.. Taking note that Voicing out only started like mid- of last year. And at the moment, Things like WALL STREET/Corporation/Banking Greed.Power and Control is above their understanding. Takes time to really understand how it effects their daily life.

Plus.. Singapore is lacking a Leader.. Someone who can rally in the troops and also Mob Mentality plays a role.
Never have they gone out on the streets in decades to protest and everyone is skeptical whether the rest would do it, so they step down from it.. (Mob Mentality isnt there) and lastly, Going out on the Streets to protest about things like Wall-street is beyond their understanding at the moment, and this will not get the ball rolling.. There has to be something that slaps them hard on their face and + a few other ingrendients for them to step up and put their fear aside and start marching on the streets then when other issues comes up and people are being asked to March..It will be easier to reel in the troops.. Fear and Understanding is stopping the people.

you are completely wrong in your analysis. the initial campers at wall-street were unemployed or under-employed educated college types. people don't protest in singapore, because they have hope for the future. they know that protesting won't change the fact they are jobless.
 

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To begin with, MOST Singaporeans subscribe to orderly conduct and society. Protests, whether peaceful or not are usually anti-establishment and anti-authority, a definite no-no with the Confucian mindset.

Also (and in this instance) - there is no reason to protest. There are jobs, schools, civil instituitions in place, and rather than cause concern among investors, why rock the boat? After all, this society know which side of the bread is buttered.

Those few who might stand-up and do so, will not be able to get the support (or sympathy) of others. More likely they will be frowned upon and seen as "losers."

Cheers!

Except for countries like North Korea and Burma, peaceful protest against the Establishment in public is actually a right for each and every citizen in this modern world. Why are Singaporeans adverse to such an activity is quite a puzzle. Occupy Singapore is a non event while people all over the world gather to protest in their own countries.

Forummers, your worthy views and opinions.:p:biggrin:
 

bryanlim1972

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your analysis makes more sense than PSY83 who is only good at instigating racial confrontation. he thinks he's so cool with his psychedelic LSD bullshit and constant motherhood statements.
 
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